[640] Get the Most From Your Disc Detainer Pick

[@zahven]

Before the days of “the pick Bosnian Bill and I made”

[@plebisMaximus]

Exactly what I was thinking.

[@magenlin]

If he only knew....

[@hacksxor]

What happened exactly?

[@chrisconnors8513]

@@hacksxor sparrows disc pick

[@cd5steve]

Got one. Now to find a lock to practice on

[@zac08]

While waiting for Sparrows to finally launch the tool you and Bill designed, I went to buy one of these cheap chinese tool to try and learn a bit more about how to pick such locks. And thanks for your guide, it is definitely necessary to file it down slightly to get it to work properly. Finally managed to pick a cheap chinese lock in a couple of minutes. Once the tool (you guys made) is in the stores, I would definitely get one...

[@gooch1059]

Hey the chinese tool you have it it the GOSO brand?

[@johntheexplainer]

I think one of the scariest hurdles for the beginner lock picker is accepting that the tools you buy don't necessarily perform to their potential or even work out of the box, be it finishing/polishing pin-tumbler picks or taking a file to a disc-detainer tool like this. It's intimidating to spend money on these shiny new items, wait for them to arrive, then start hacking them up!

[@lucacolonnesi]

ok, you're a lawyer, one of the most skilled lockPickers in the world, a machiner and finally a goldsmith. great job!

[@thesecondguyontheinternet]

Simply the best video for disc detainer picks. I was getting so frustrated with mine until I saw this my tip is spinning and the head is massive. Time to modify! Thanks for easing my frustrations!

[@55ATA3]

Thank you for making videos like this. Its hard to start out picking Disk Detainer locks when the tools we can buy are sold in a design that will not even fit in the lock.

[@peppern79]

Perfect timing for this video. I ordered that $5 Disc Detainer pick a few days ago :)

[@lockpickinglawyer]

Good luck with it.

[@peppern79]

Looking forward to it. I always tinker and tune my tools to fit my purposes but it would have taken me a while to come up with what you're showing here.

[@recklessroges]

LPL, the Dean of LockPicking University. Thank you for another excellent video tutorial.

[@lollllloro]

3:30 "from the tip to the top of... the tip" :)

[@chadfelix2132]

This video helped me alot. Watched it and made a pick with a screw and copper tube. Don't know if I could do it again, but I picked the lock in under a minute.

[@Jake1973_]

I've decided to make my own. Thanks a ton for the dimensions on the pick head, should cut down on "tweaking" time.

[@robertclark3258]

Thanks! Great help. I wish KZbin offered a "Really, Really Like" option.

[@lockpickinglawyer]

Thanks. 👍

[@Yellowsnow1]

You need to get talking to someone to start making and selling your own equipment 👍🏼🙏🏼

[@MukatoShishio]

Yellow Snow agreed! Take the specs of the tool you have as it exists now and sell it on Banggood

[@tele_graf]

Pen jamin maybe, but it would help people who cant build their own tools

[@penjamin5037]

Tele_Graf people who can’t make their own tools? I don’t understand. Like the limbless and tetraplegics?

[@maltestoever3633]

@@penjamin5037 Idiot

[@penjamin5037]

asdf asdf idiot? idiots can’t make their own tools? I tend to agree with you.

[@skygh]

That was timely & very helpful as I recently bought this tool and realized in a blink I'd by modifying it soon. Your tips will be very helpful. I'd like to know where you got the other similar tools you have. I can't thank you enough!

[@splagyetsi3287]

Just bought the cheep chinese pick. Spent 1 hours trying to get a result without success and told myself go back to yootoob and do more study. Thank Sir for your video. I will implement your suggestions very soon.

[@SaltyMafugga]

I followed these instructions to a T and my pick works wonderfully, thanks!

[@brianhignett8954]

Hi Harry, Not only are you completely on top of dimple locks, but also disc detainers. The info here is extremely helpful, and it's obvious you have put a lot of time into these locks, and the necessary mods to the picks themselves - more power to you! Regards, Brian.

[@lockpickinglawyer]

Thanks... it’s fun to push myself.

[@mickenoss]

I shall refer to you as Sensei from now on, you got some skills dude.

[@lockpickinglawyer]

☺️

[@Freddie_06]

I love how only lpl commented here.

[@khaitomretro]

I slightly flatten the round pick shaft so that the grub screws can clamp it more securely.

[@lockpickinglawyer]

Good idea... as long as it’s still strong enough. 👍

[@getphuked2]

I thought I would look to see if someone had already said this before I did ;-)

[@QuiDocetDiscit]

Brilliant! Very intelligent tutorial. You had my rapt attention for every second. Thank you for posting!😊👍👍👍

[@chrisstephens805]

Love the videos. However it is frustrating how good you are I'm sitting here trying to pick pin tumbler locks and you make it look so easy lol

[@dexter13601]

Really informative. Thanks for a great video. Looking for a disk detainer lock pick now.

[@tctc0nsulting]

Great video, thanks for the step by step explanation and demonstration.

[@danielroglich3309]

Great video brother. Been thinking about taking the plunge into disc detainers and found this video to be very helpful . Thanks again !

[@Caelio]

Many great tips that come from a lot of experience. 👍

[@Biokemist-o3k]

Fantastic!!! Thank you for sharing this information..

[@markferguson3365]

Excellent tip about slightly rotating the spinner and the first disk!

[@AlbertLebel]

Thank you so much, this is exactly what I was searching for. I just bought one and it looks just like that. Now I will try to modify it. I simply want to give these locks a try

[@penfold7800]

Thankyou for explaining and demonstrating how small these tips need to be to be able to move through the tolerance gaps between the disc cuts. I'm also guessing that the flatter heads on the tension screws of your modified tool are much more comfortable than the round heads of the original. You could probably use the location pins from an injection moulding cast to make your own stronger tips too

[@sandi88]

Thanks a lot for this video!! I have to buy one of these picking tools in order to unlock my disk brake as it locked it self completely and cannot be unlocket with the original key. Good thing that it happened not on the disk of the bike :) If it wasn't for your explanation, I would have struggled quite a lot to unlock it, if I could at all, since i have no wxperience in lock picking. Again, thanks a lot :)

[@penfold7800]

If the lock is locked, but not on the disc brake, then just throw it away. Cos if your key doesn't work then you can't practically use the lock itself.

[@AThreeDogNight]

That helped a lot on my understanding. Thanks LPL., Harry.

[@lockhenge1752]

This is the best disc pick mod vid I've seen.. and you didn't break anything.. 👍👍

[@Potti314]

Very interesting - thanks a lot for your time to put this valuable information together. Do you have recommendations for other tools like this which come in better quality right from the factory?

[@lockpickinglawyer]

No... at least none that don’t cost several hundred $. ☹️ The nicer Chinese ones still require modifications.

[@dirksecrets]

Thank you for this great video. Fantastic as always.

[@AlbertLebel]

I have not advanced to this level yet, but I appreciate this fantastic explanation of how to.

[@KevTheHermit]

Just getting in to DD Picking, starting with a cheap pick set so this helped me out a lot thanks :)

[@Biped]

I found it really helpful to simply file a little bit of of the the outer (tensioning) part on two opposing sites so the big screws don't slip. It's also possible to just tighten them down more but you can assemble and disassemble it this way without tools so it's compact and easy to store/carry around.

[@lockpickinglawyer]

Good idea... 👍

[@FusionDeveloper]

If you mean different than in the video, then I don't understand.

[@Thelothuo]

+Jay H In the handle of the tool that the pick inside the lock is controlled with, two set screws clamp onto the pick to lock it to the control handle. Filing small flats on the pick where the set screws sit helps them lock to the handle.

[@superdupergrover9857]

for plumbing solder you want silver solder, as in a silver tin alloy (about 4% silver, remainder tin) this will be very strong but melt easily with a propane torch, even a butane torch will work. this is similar to the gunsmith's solder he discussed. leaded electronics solder will be much weaker, but it's better than nothing.

[@lockpickinglawyer]

👍

[@LizGeoff55]

Quality video LPL and quality advice, Kudos to you

[@adrielau5041]

2:56 you can see the lockpickinglawyer's face on the reflection!!

[@ObsidianParis]

"ENHANCE THE NUCLEUS!" :-)

[@ObsidianParis]

At 2:24 too, actually

[@alexandersoto9521]

I wonder if he is going to edit this out. You really cant make much of the details, and you can't enhance it either.

[@alexurcavich]

That hairline tho😂

[@justingauche6475]

Always helpful for us in locksport. Thank you.

[@aiden287]

Great video mate. I have one of these, but I've never been successful with it, and I guess these issues could be why. Cheers! :)

[@Spyder2384]

Very helpful, now to try these mods on mine. Thanks LPL!

[@einfachkommentieren]

Very interesting video. Wouldn't it be easier to file a hardened nail for your own purposes?

[@ttrrs_o3498]

KRYPTO either loves you or has distain for you,really interesting,thanks for your openest.

[@tarehjernetarehjerne4082]

Flat tips are not hard to make. Step 1: find some relativly thin sheet metal and cut it down to a small rectangle Step 2: sand it down to appropriate thickness either with a tool or sandpaper if you have alot of time. Step 3: remove any temper and drill through it in the middle with a 1.5 mm bit. Step 4: get your solder and flux and fuse them together. Step 5: clean it up with a file and some fine sandpaper. This is not necessary but i went ahead and retempered the tip to 58 hrc.

[@JasperJanssen]

Ok, a) that isn’t that easy a recipe, either. B) LPL said that the main issue would be in the brazing. Which is definitely something most people do not have the tools and skill for.

[@ernestmurphy3898]

Thank you for sharing your experience.

[@youtube.commentator]

I love your videos, keep them up!

[@keilerderechte]

Yeah :) Would love to see him picking the tex-lock from germany!

[@lockpickinglawyer]

Keiler Darts Isn’t that just a rope? To be honest, I’ve really wanted to do some destructive testing, but can’t bring myself to pay $100 for a 3’ length of rope... even if it is German rope.

[@keilerderechte]

Hi, thanks for answering and your nice videos! :) Trust me, this isn't just a rope. It is really a german rope :D Yeah it's sad, that the inventors didn't connect a locking system directly to the invention, but it would be interesting to see, if it is safe in this configuration. kzbin.info/www/bejne/favIXoaVitSmkJo Here you see tests in a german TV-show. TL;DW: 3 tests (Cutter, Heat, Lever) every test max. 2 minutes -> The pro fails to destroy it. The cutter and the burner get 2 layers each. Thats all. They show the production and the building of the invention. Different strings, with different strenghts (heatresistent, cuttingresistent etc.) combine the whole thing. But what they don't do: They do not try to destroy the eyeletes, or the lock itself, nor do they try to pick it. That would be interesting to see :)

kzbin.info/www/bejne/mJ61mpmvn8-Fmck less than 40 sec to cut it, i really would have find that nice if that could have been better...

[@saulysw]

I only have one disc lock, an old Chubb (no number or model visible other than "made in Finland") and where you have the spinner instead it has a solid slot as part of the whole case. This means I can't even tension the lock as it gets stuck in this solid front door. To get around this, I would have to cut a deep notch into the tension section of the tool, or perhaps there is a better way? I much prefer normal padlocks and single pin picking, but I thought I'd give this a go and seem to have chosen a tricky one to start with!

[@madmodder123]

FYI, this tool uses M5 screws for the handles, I replaced the existing ones with 2 M5x30mm socket head hex bolts

[@dexter323i]

Thank you, you are a life saver! :) The next video could be for cheap chinese bottom tension disc detainer pick.

[@lockpickinglawyer]

The bottom tension tool is not salvageable... no way to fit it past profile discs. That said, I may do a video on making one for cheap with simple tools.

[@WineScrounger]

Cool. I’ve got one of these. Bone stock, it’s ok on the cheapest chinesium locks, but little else.

[@youtube.commentator]

WineScrounger you spelled Chineseanumium wrong

[@mikes4719]

I bought one from amazon and was just about to return it because the tip was turning and it wouldn’t go in far enough to tension the transparent lock that came with it. Before I start trying to dismantle it. Could you tell me if the only way to do it is to remove the tip. As it is that’s the only way I can see to get access to tighten the rod to the spinner. By the way, you da man.

[@Swynndla]

Extremely helpful. Thank you!

[@duanerogers5391]

There is one modification that I did to mine that if you have machine tools is very helpful. I remade the tensioning portion of mine to make the nose longer to fit in the very recessed locks like the Abus 37/60. A friend of mine is a tool maker and we made it out of brass which not only looks great, but functions very well.

[@lockpickinglawyer]

Yup, The length of the tension head is the single greatest weakness of this lock.

[@paulchaulk5305]

Really helpful thank you for sharing LPL

[@scienticstratgies2368]

good info so out of the sparrow tool and a bolt cutter witch is better faster

[@themadhatter4761]

Great information, thanks for the video. 👍👍👍👍

[@cyberfox981]

Thank you very much, I have same tool in my toolbox, good to know that details =)

[@yunnamed]

Mine fell apart too while I was shaping the top bit with a file. Might just make a new one from scratch since I have no tools for brass brazing.

[@lordofelectrons4513]

Solder No solder ideally machine from a solid sock or hot forge then file, use heat treatable steel. No machine shop then other option use a tungsten inert gas micro welder ($500) and fabricate the pick. Grub screws to secure the pic rod rather dodgy use a shaft collar clamp approach (google it) will take a lot more torque.

[@JMLockpicking]

Can you please do a video on the higher end picks and where to buy them????

[@lockpickinglawyer]

Maybe someday. There’s only a handful of people making nice ones.

[@corriedunstan2668]

Another great video Stephen! Keep it up bro.👍🏼

[@lockpickinglawyer]

Thanks Jessica.

[@corriedunstan2668]

LockPickingLawyer lmfao it's only a joke I thought you was called that cos bill uploaded a vid called reese trailer hitch and said Stephen zellers sent it in then in a following video about masterlocks trailer hitch said lockpickinlawyer sent the Reese one 👍🏼✌🏻️

[@mechathanos5444]

@ 2:46 where did hooky get that disc detainer pick

[@fabts4]

That's a really great video, I wish more taught us how to mod cheap hardware to get decent capabilities

[@hansdampf2005]

Oh Boy thanks a Lot, was thinking i am too stupid to get it working

[@Otis884]

Thanks for the info.

[@Leonslockpad]

Great info my friend very nice video😊👍😎👍👍😎😊

[@ratatosk2515]

Thank You for making this video, its very informative. But on my "cheap" dd-picks all (3) are 5,1mm long, from factory. I have usually customized them down to ca.4,8-9mm. Do You "think/know" if that makes them "harder" to use?? (It picks some locks fine, but other that are "cheaper-chinese" brands, I can not open, no matter what. I "spp" them with a wide tension wrench and a L shaped tool. so I know they work.) Anyway I love Your customized picks, it is easy to see, how much better they function..

[@murdoch451]

thanks for the tips will mod and try again.

[@gazwilliams1629]

Hi LPL, first off thanks for all your great vids, always to the point and pro! I was just wondering about the rear tentioning version of this type of Chinese pick and your thoughts. On what can it be used and of so how to make similar mods. Keep up the good work 👍

[@JollyPeanut]

Very good info, Thanks

[@user-rw3qq2sr1z]

Great info, LPL 👍

[@haczyk84]

I just buy it. It is garbage. After filling it, it does not stick to rod. Soldering with normal SnPb electronic solder doesn't hold up long. But I manage to open acrylic padlock few times after this "improvements". As always, thanks for info. And Sparrows doesn't ship to Poland :(

[@samueldeter9735]

What's a quality pick to get? I've always wondered if the links and products and stuff are intentionally left off because of the nature and legality of these tools or just because?

[@jameswfreedom641]

@LockPickingLawyer I recently bought the sparrows version of this, and I have looked through a ton of videos, but I didn't see anything about the tool that you use to turn the discs clockwise. Can I purchase one somewhere or is it just a nail file or a tensioner? Thank you!

[@LivingTheLifeRetired]

Do you have a suggestion for a better off-the-shelf pick? I, like most people, start with that crappy little one.

[@lockpickinglawyer]

Not under $400.

[@mattt2812]

Can you advise which other dd picks you use? I also saw you using a really nicely milled lever lock pick. I'm looking for more quality than these cheap Chinese picks.

[@paulvalley2125]

Great video. Very informative. What are you stays I'll be brave enough to try one of those spooky things.

[@447za]

I had same problem with my ebay pick! It broke when I modified it! And cant find now where to buy new better one...

[@marvindebot3264]

/me Goes and checks Sparrows again . . . Still no pick that he and BB made in stock . . .

[@bryanslocks3481]

Where is the 42” pipe wrench videos? I loved those.

[@lockpickinglawyer]

They will be back... need to build a new rig. And it’s 24”.

[@bryanslocks3481]

LockPickingLawyer oh thanks.

[@pickbeard2690]

Useful, insightful, and thought provoking 🤔🤔🤔👍👍🍺🍺 Thanks for sharing 😘😘

[@dannygarden464]

Hi there, useful information but there is another simple thing that I saw and will probably do to my pick, when you go "in" even at the seventh disc you still have a centimeter free and when on first disc it's not inside as you hold it with your hand, would it be better to cut a part of the shaft, it would be all in and enough space to get to the last disc, I don't know if it's a good idea or not, I'll wait to see if somebody reply, thanks.

[@robobrien1175]

Hey! Great hands make light work .I'll give it a go Thanks Robbie 8882huyton

[@TSPiruz]

whats the name of ur primery instrument and where should i buy it ?

[@niccoloricardi4827]

I love how you're from the US but still us millimeters

[@Sciguy95]

I get tired of how so many people here in the US are so stubborn, refusing to learn anything new and stuck on the idea that anything and everything that is done here is better than anywhere else.

[@eyeamgodsubwincyclesnow0.080]

@@Sciguy95 I'm from Florida and duck you

[@RJ-or8bw]

We use both. Mm, cm, inches, feet, yards. Same as the UK and Canada to varying degrees.

[@yikersdawg8866]

He is a wise man

[@markf.4063]

@@Sciguy95 Or maybe it's the fact that the Imperial System has two glaringly obvious benefits over the Metric system. 1) As far as real world applications when it comes to measuring small distances, the Imperial system is far more accurate. Once you get down past the MM the next unit of measure is what, the micrometer? That's a huge jump. With the Imperial system the inch is divisible to an almost infinite amount. 2) The second benefit, and my personal favorite, being that it really seems to piss off all the metric people.

[@superchilpil]

Instead of locktighting the the screws to hold the end in place why not file some flats on the sides to give the screws something to grab on to?

[@cogito451]

Where did you get that pick with the flat tip? Is it custom made?

[@lockpickinglawyer]

The first one was make by a guy in Finland, Jaakko Fagerlund. The second was one I cobbled together starting with a nicer Chinese tool.

[@cogito451]

Thanks.

[@allothernamesbutthis]

would a 3d printed head be strong enough?

[@redcatimaging]

Sadly not. It will break immediately, the material is too britle and the layer bonds too weak for such a small tool. I have tried to make (way bigger) lever picks and they broke and also some keys. The only thing which might work as a print is a disc detainer key duplicate :). 👋

[@DjJooze]

yes it will work just as good

[@lockpickinglawyer]

Definitely not...

[@MitsuomiTakayanagiEC]

Thanks for sharing this info

[@pkonneker]

Okay, but where do you buy one of these that cheap. I can see why your disk pick costs that extra bit more. Totally worth the expertise put into it.

[@mybluebelly]

Hey boss ;-) Do you ever use original keys and make a mold of it to cast a copy of the key, or would this touch on copyright infringements?

[@lockpickinglawyer]

Never tried.

[@BeatsFromDP]

Hey LPL! This is the type of lock I have the most trouble with. I got a silver bullet and can now pick a plastic practice lock with no problem, but can't seem to get the same feedback with other cheapo Chinese locks. Nothing seems to bind or click the same. I know how they work but just can't get the "feel" down. Could you please do a video on what to feel for with these? BosnianBill did one but it didn't help much, and your videos seem to be more like "click on 3, click on 4 and it's open". Nobody seems to have an in depth video that resonates or explains the intricacies and that's what I'm looking for. Thanks and have a nice day 😊

[@throstles6774]

Are you tensioning the lock from the rear or front? Many will now stop you tensioning the lock from the front.

[@jmskaates]

Just getting into the lock picking community jumping right up into the Kronos electric pack and the phoenix gold

[@jimmy_jamesjams_a_lot4171]

¡¡YOU’RE GREAT!!

[@shadowbane9784]

You can see face a little around 10:56

[@someoneelse6934]

I honestly have never seen a disc detainer lock in my life. Are they that common to find? (I am new to lock picking).

[@KIMMO307]

Most bike locks have them, and they are the future of locks. Because they are hard to pick

[@scounche]

And like this i discovered the community of lock pickers. I love you internet

[@Biped]

One thing I never totally understood: why do you (and many others) always rotate the discs clockwise? I know for a fact that it is possible to pick them (my locks at least) from the anticlockwise position. Is there anything more than convenience and habit to it?

[@lockpickinglawyer]

It’s a bit much to explain in a comment, but it makes a big difference. I’ll cover it in a future video. 👍

[@gazwilliams1629]

@@lockpickinglawyer looking forward to this video 👌

[@TheReaper8246]

You should start selling your version on covert instruments. I’m gonna attempt to do this on my pick but I’m preys sure I’m going to screw it up. Good luck.