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Today I scored on some real nice 5 x 12 Pallets that my friend Rusty brought me, We also take a look at a white oak log I pulled down the other day and checked the moisture content and discussed why I don't put little logs like that on the woodmizer.
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[@healyfamily4]

Sunday morning coffee watching Outdoors With The Morgans, great way to start the day!

[@matthewsims359]

Exactly what im doing

[@garyneuschwander6792]

Hey Mike. Appreciate the regular content. I am sure editing and getting them up is a ton of work and time. Just wanted to say “thanks”.

[@HallnoutMhall]

Awesome skids. Mike you have to do what makes sense whether others understand or not. Great job explaining your reasons. I agree 100%.

[@jeffreylane6098]

Great chat Mike and Melissa! The pups look great! Have a good day! 🙏💕

[@olddawgdreaming5715]

Good morning Mike and Melissa, great video. Thanks for sharing with us. Always enjoy seeing you both and seeing what you’re doing.

[@ronpatterson6420]

Thanks for sharing your lives with us Mike and Melissa.👍

[@douglynch8442]

Great explanation for rationale behind what is used and how. Thanks Mike!

[@markpalmer5311]

Great lesson, well taught. And Piper and Melissa look fantastic!

[@bobfuchs3627]

Really enjoy the videos that I like to think if as "educational" You did a great job of explaining why you choose certain trees to cut for firewood and others to saw for lumber Good job Mike

[@WanderLost]

I loved the breakdown explanation of what wood you will use and what you wouldn’t... seems like a smart idea...

[@pikelander7785]

Awesome breakdown comparing lumber vs firewood. Totally changed how I look at a tree! Thanks for the great videos.

[@tommyordoyne7461]

Great calculations and explanations. Bon appetit. Have a productive day.

[@russellbowman8051]

Great Job of explaining I feel like I was in a saw mill class!!👍👊

[@ChurchsFamilyFarmCFF]

Loving the saw milling videos. God Bless

[@joshloughner847]

Awesome pallets, Mike. Wish I could find some that big around my area. You can never have too many on the homestead! Keep up the great work, Morgan's!

[@larrysutton6530]

Check with any metal fabrication shop in your area they get them under the metal sometimes and if you take the time to form a good relationship with the right people you might get them for little to nothing

[@craigsudman4556]

We are really enjoying the mini thaw in the middle of January, its been 67 here in Rockland County, New York State these last two days. We've had the windows open in the house, I've been working out in the garage with the big door open. But like Mike I want it to get cold and stay cold. Great video M&M, thumbs up.

[@dickhansen8594]

Nice video. Thank you for taking the time to share.

[@bobpurs]

Interesting numbers. Thanks Mike and Melissa 👍✊

[@danschneider7369]

Great info Mike. Love the explanation regarding mill or firewood calculation. Good stuff.

[@merlewarnsholz2094]

Mike - Learned more new things today. Thanks for sharing.

[@jerryaschenbrenner712]

Beautiful pallets and a great tutorial Mike!

[@ronatwell5379]

I agree with your comparison of dollar values for the sawing template drawn on the ends. But, as another commenter pointed out, white oak for woodworking is ~$8/ft. or more for quarter sawn. If you just sawed 1" slabs out of the log, you would come up with 3or4 boards with quarter sawn figure. Buying a quarter sawn 1x8x10' at a retailer is going to set you back about $50. Granted, you are only producing rough sawn stock, but some might be willing to purchase fresh sawn white oak, and then do the drying and planing themselves to save money. I see your logic, so I'd probably be doing the same thing because you have a ready market for the firewood. By the way, I have an outdoor wood furnace which devours thousands of board ft. of wood each winter. I have never actually done the numbers, but I can't imagine what the lumber value of that wood may have been if it had all been put through a sawmill. Have to do what I have to do. Oh, I don't have a mill either.

[@Newman81964]

Would love to get a couple more of those huge pallets. I have one here already that I attached smaller pallets to the side ends and then put braces to keep the end pallets from falling off. I then load the firewood onto the pallet from end to end and front to back. Holds a nice amount of wood for seasoning and can then be moved if needed. I will be getting one more once the ground freezes up. Yard is too sloppy right now to be driving a tractor across it to place the pallet in place. Right now, the pallet is up at my mom's place. This coming year, I plan on building a small either 8' x 16' or 10' x 16' building behind my mobile home where my wood rack is to store my firewood after it has seasoned so that it can finish drying and keep it dry for burning. I have to keep everything up off the ground as I have several natural springs around the property that only stop flowing when things are frozen and that can make a real mess with the water flowing across the lawn.

[@rickcassell9613]

I’m with you about the temperature, trying to work around the property, too muddy. Need some winter here in eastern Ct. 👍👍

[@jimpikul8551]

Sometimes a time out day is just what is needed. Got the pallets stowed, dogs groomed and question answered. Yup! Stuff still got done. And dinner with the Bride tops it off!

[@wallacesmith865]

Mike- great tutorial!! Now, do that same breakdown (board $ vs firewood $) on an 18” log. It’ll be interesting to see how far the discrepancy grows??

[@keithmcgauley5408]

Another fine production Mike! Enjoy the way you break down production mill vs splitting. I have a 10 year old husky 35 ton splitter that is reliable and hasn't seen a round that it couldn't split. Unfortunately, cycle time is cumbersome unlike your wolfridge. That thing is a machine!!! Waiting for the right time to pull the trigger on getting that wolfridge. Keep these videos coming, always a pleasure to see what you're getting in to. Keep up the good hard work👍🏻

[@scottwolfe3333]

Great job explaining, good market for firewood for sure.

[@MikeZMonroe]

The manufacturing engineer in me suggestion. Create “log end templates” - Use a piece of plexiglass, cut to maximum fit typical log diameters. Center template to center of log. Have multiple templates for multiple cut configurations / log diameters. Outline your template with a marker. Save you from laying out each log with a tape measure and square. Could substitute plexiglass with any hard durable flat material, such as Masonite.

[@JPLawnsMore]

I know that 12-20’ lengths of 8x8” white oak runners are very expensive. They use them to skid machinery. I was lucky enough to get several from my job for free. Thinking of making a lean to for my RK24. Another great video Morgans!

[@larrysutton6530]

Where I work we would get them under stacks of sheet steel and because of how fast they would accumulate we could take some

[@er1073]

Thanks for sharing. You provide excellent information for beginners. Hello Hunter. Ed

[@damoose1829]

Nice snag on the pallets. I just watched a video here on KZbin with in the last week were a father and son had about 12 of these pallets and built a good part of an awesome mini cabin out of them.

[@gailcrowe8216]

good day Morgan family.. Today in Grande Prairie Alberta it is -33 C with a wind chill of -43..It is COLD Love your videos.. The Crowe's

[@ericjennings2508]

No matter what kind of business you operate, sorting out the "point of diminishing returns" is absolutely key to any chance of success...time and motion...we all have limited time and getting the best value for each minute is what separates the field.

[@badcat4707]

That's very cute , the way Piper was modelling and showing off her new hair do ;-)

[@thomasdesmond2248]

Piper you look marvelous darling. I know she feels like a new dog. My dogs love the groomers. God bless

[@waltermiller5301]

Very informative about the wood!

[@philbremenkamp7158]

Melissa as a cattle rancher I like the beef plugs that you give it's been cold and dry in western Kansas

[@johnmurphy8259]

Great video I love how well your dogs behave they are great. I was surprised how much moisture was in a 4to 5 year old dead tree. We live Ft Calhoun Nebraska we heat our house with wood. I will go through 3 to 4 corded of wood a season. A couple of chain saws wood splitter on the back of my 55 horse power 4600 Ford it gets the job done.

[@TKCL]

You put some serious thoughts into Lumber vs firewood return. Nice!

[@louislarsen2256]

I love those pallets!

[@danielrandolph9170]

Good video Mike and Melissa & what for supper

[@rockybuchner5587]

Very good explanation. Also have to consider demand for lumber verses fire wood

[@evilbrat5376]

Those pallets are outstanding. Will grab a nice patina in time for you too. Now to decide where to use and how the wood in them. Me - - - clothes cabinet with just sanding one side and staining whole board.. Have a safe and good day up there.

[@WoodsTreeFarm]

interesting video - thanks for sharing, Mike!

[@pathfindergeorgia1117]

Your channel is so awesome, just love the content. Now I must admit Hunter is the coolest, just love his style. Please keep up the great work.

[@tomcooper8338]

Hello M and M I have been watching for a two years, i am up in Billy Ray country. (vancouver Island British Columbia Canada) We heat three homes and a three thousand sq. ft. shop with a out door furnace. We use saw mill waste to heat all during the day and fir at night. Something to think about for your new building, keep the gym warm. We are on twenty acres, fir, maple, alder,balsam, and cedar. Good job on your videos. Have a good day!

[@larrypalmer2415]

you really have the wood value figured out! Good figuring.....oh, and another entertaining video!!

[@boone3770]

Those look new! awsome find.

[@waltermattson5566]

There is a lot of work that goes into sawing lumber. Not only sawing it but stacking it, covering it, and storing it. That is a lot of handling .

[@davegoodman8739]

New subscriber here, from southwest Missouri. Been watching your channel for about a year now. This channel is both entertaining and educational. I only have 10 acres, but I am always cutting and cleaning up dead standing and blown down trees.

[@ChickenLips412]

Very interesting. I was born/raised in southwestern PA and I’m familiar with JAGGER [noun. Pittsburghese term for thorn/spine/burr; see jagger bush], JAGGER BUSH [noun. Pittsburghese term for any bush/shrub/small tree having thorns; see jagger], and JAG-OFF [derogatory/disparaging Pittsburghese term for stupid/inept/incompetent person; see prick]. However, I don’t ever recall hearing the term JAG used to indicate weight/overload/stress/bad situation. 2:40... “I was surprised at how heavy these things are. That’s a pretty good JAG there on the RK-55.” Happy New year. Many thanks to you and your family for sharing such inspiring vids.

[@kdodson84]

As always great video guys!

[@jeffhartmann2469]

SOUTHERN INDIANA HERE: Way too warm here as well. High of 50 today and 61 degrees Wed and, yes, it’s supposed to rain again. I don’t see it cooling off here until this coming Sunday. Your pallets appear to be perfect for stacking/transporting your lumber.

[@josephsummers3241]

We have a sheet metal place that has 8 ,10 ,12 ft pallets that I am going to use to make a barn and shed

[@johnmyers6097]

Looking at the block I guessed 20% Moisture , in my opinion it’s just right. There’s a big difference in sawing hardwood vs softwoods. Makes no difference what people say, it boils down to cost and time effectiveness. Your Mill, your say on what gets milled unless you have a customer that specifies how it’s to be cut. Wish my woods were as easy to work as yours are Mike. Great job as usual on the video

[@WoodisGood82]

Excellent cost benefit analysis.

[@bwillan]

Boxing your heart wood like you did with that 4x4 is the best way to saw logs for timber framing. It evens out the stresses from drying (all sides will dry uniformly).

[@frankieharden437]

we checked out billy ray, he is a hoot...lov to the morgan house

[@lyndamcardle4123]

Nice explanation to my earlier question to a previous Woodmizer query....I'd hazard a guess that above 15" (x2 = 30") you'd be able to produce lumber that is of live edge (or general) table top size etc which is of added value .....and it makes complete sense to you (and me!) that below this diameter ...it's firewood !

[@funkybayatPK]

You had balmy Saturday, and here in Dallas area we had snow, go figure! “Yes wink-wink she looks thinner”......love it and happy Sunday.

[@larrysutton6530]

Something just doesn't seem right about that lol

[@funkybayatPK]

LS you’re correct!

[@OldVermontGuy]

Greetings from No. VT - No worries, Some days are just fine to take it easy. I am also hoping for some consistent freezing weather, this season has been warm-cold-warm-cold, etc since Thanksgiving. Don't forget to throw the moisture meter on the red pine that you are milling and let us know what you are finding.

[@randycarpenter2914]

Hope you enjoy your dinner. Mike you may have thought of this already. You could do some custom cutting on the mill, if someone has a nice log they can bring to you. I don't know if you have black walnut or maple in your area but it is beautiful lumber. Hickory makes beautiful lumber also but is hard on saw blades. God bless

[@coltonshilling9917]

I’m from Greenville PA. You must not be to far from me. I seen the M&R sticker on the one saw you used in the 261vs271 video!

[@neilhillman6130]

I would agree with you on cost over time for the most part. There are a few exceptions one of which is white oak it is not a readability available wood. Check out the market online.

[@gettintheresafelywithpatf2869]

Just like lightning, never strikes twice in the same spot! Buckin would say save that handle!

[@lowercherty]

Perfect pallets to put on your forks forcutting firewood lengths. Either roll the logs on or set them on with the grapple.

[@NHHalKnowsHow]

Mike, I found that the more I use my log splitter, the farther off my aim is when splitting with an ax. I now have a hard time hitting the same place twice.

[@barryespeseth7355]

Warn here in NE Ct also. Put away the Christmas decorations, powerwashed the vehicles, and changed the oil on the wife's car. Need to take the warmth when available but I agree with Mike, want freeze up. But it is snowing hard in Northern Maine that will support our first snowmobile trip next week. Great stuff. PS: Nice pallets.

[@brucebello2049]

Really interesting video, great explanation

[@trevorholland7]

I don’t understand why I wasn’t subscribed to y’all’s channel I definitely was subscribed I just noticed I was watching your videos from the home section in my KZbin

[@thebradleysoncatbirdhill6849]

Excellent explanation of the lumber versus firewood debate!!! Mike:. Have you discussed what you do with the flitches that come off of logs on the mill? Folks around my area sell them in bundles for kindling.🔥

[@chucksinger1916]

Hey Mike don’t feel bad I’ve split a lot of frozen big white oak with a maul And it’s not easy! ! I suspect hardwood floors are mainly white oak Have a day! Filet mignon for Melissa!!🙏❤️👍😆🇱🇷

[@larrykluckoutdoors8227]

I see it myself with all my dead standing oak that I cut, when you go to split them the water squeezes out. Thank for the info.

[@larrykluckoutdoors8227]

@@geraldcorbitt9626 I split them and they dry out pretty fast

[@alkaufmann2039]

@@billupstateny9151 agreed 100%

[@larrykluckoutdoors8227]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/bWLVp6aqhtOhqbs This is the worst one. A hole in the tree about 4ft up from this cut.

[@cptophers4626]

don't let buckin' billy see you use that ax.

[@larrysutton6530]

Right lol

[@JohnSmith-tv5ep]

@@larrysutton6530 it's all good.!! Fiskers INDESTRUCTIBLE ? Handle 'Takes a lickin, keeps on tickin!' Err... maybe that was Timex? LOL

[@addisongardner1989]

Nice exchange of value, splitting for pallets, even though you'd have done it out of friendship anyway. Biggest pallets I've seen, and perfect.

[@johnmyers6097]

Addison Gardner Where I work we get trex decking in by the trailer load, all on pallets 12’, 16’ and 20’ pallets. All 4’ wide. But all have a core charge on them too. Mike got a good score there for sure.

[@richhiway]

You don't want boards with the pith but you should center the pith on posts. Nice logs make nice lumber,generally the first two logs in the tree. On the other hand if you needed a bunch of 4x4 the smaller logs work. Having a mill gives you a lot of flexibility. You can also slice down the log without turning it, the edge all the flitches to get the most board yeild. In your case firewood maximizes your profit.

[@chrisbeck8182]

Awesome explanation! What about quarter sawing as opposed to plain sawing to allow better yield from the heart wood?

[@tmerkley6406]

I would say, if you need a good Beam for building, that oak would make a decent long 6x6. Or use the whole log based on the style of building. I have used some red pine about that length in my building to go across the front of the building. It all depends on what works for you.

[@jimmyandkathyharrell]

Very interesting and informative!

[@BK245595]

Great info.

[@jackfairweather199]

We bathed our Goldens last night (in the tub!). They sure look better after a bath!

[@thewoodchucker-doug4303]

Mike, your math works for me, more money in fire wood! Nice illustration in your video. Please keep up the good work!

[@ritchiechristopher5603]

like your login on the oak !!

[@leonardvirtue5753]

Mate good as!!! Nice.😆 👍👍

[@casycasy5199]

those are some nice pallets

[@jamesb990]

Hi Mike that is a great dedution of economic sense .and well devised drawing on the log. Have you had time to work out how to quarter saw some hard wood timber?

[@noc8076]

Its never too muddy, you just need the right tires. Great opportunity for RK to demonstrate the difference between those industrial tires, and an AG tire.

[@OutdoorsWithTheMorgans]

Thats not what my point was, I just don't want to tear up the trails and make a mess

[@noc8076]

@@OutdoorsWithTheMorgans Well, then I won't suggest you use chains. c",

[@theodoredugranrut8201]

All makes sense to us especially when someone else will be doing the dishes. Around here it's almond, eucalyptus , walnut most of it will burn clean in four months it all will burn if the fire is hot enough. Beautiful goldies in winter coats Central California watching

[@matthewsims359]

Im with ya on the mud, it is an absolute mess here in central Kentucky. I guess im just gonna go piddle around in the shop or maybe just be lazy today. Hope yall enjoyed your steak. Say hey to the family and yall HAVE A DAY 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@stevegreengrass7727]

It’s -42 Celsius with the windchill up here in Edmonton Alberta Canada

[@boedacres]

I hope your weather holds out for you. We went from 61 deg. and in 24 hrs went to Thunder storms up to 2" to freezing rain to snow ending up with 2" Mother nature has got to be drunk.

[@budkhris1]

Considering it's white oak personally I would cut either 4x4's or 6x6's from the heart because of the value of them for post structures . Potentially $2+ per bf. and 5he slab still burns . Depending on the dimensions left surveyor stakes sell too.

[@sodbuster3401]

Nothing better than a good ribeye steak .

[@jimolenchak3341]

You have to try Falsetti's Villa Restaurant 1563 Ford City Rd. Kittanning Pa. Great Italian and american Food, large portions and very good pricing ! We have tried a lot of restaurants all around and I get spoiled at Falsetti's Villa !!! I'm guessing a little more than 1 hr. drive from Mars Pa.

[@nicholasgolemis7092]

Great video I love watching all your videos and I just got an account keep up the good work

[@l.w.petersen7359]

Steak always a good choice Melissa😉👍

[@looneylenny87]

Good Morning Mike dollar signs will never work out for lumber. As long as you have firewood for a side line. However long straight trees will always go longer lumber than firewood. Enjoy what you do, that's what's important.

[@N9IWJ]

I get pallets like that from a guy that has cabinets delivered to him his business I use them to stack wood

[@billg1527]

I burn a lot of red and white oak, cutting green or even down and dead for 6 months it takes two full summers and better yet 3 being split and covered to burn to its full heat potential, red oak especially will rot from the outside being all punk wood before the inside is dry, but once dry it is the best for heat production in a wood stove.