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Today we take a close look at how I use the Wolfe Ridge Compact Commercial Splitter switching from 4 way wedge to 6 way, Also Sticker some sweet lumber with Melissa and have a question for you wood turners.
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[@russellbowman8051]

That is great info on your way of splitting wood and the Lumber is Beautiful!!👍👊

[@LostInThe0zone]

Your wood, your splitter, your time -- your way.

[@matthewsims359]

Exactly

[@snowman6678]

Love

[@johnnywishbone6579]

there is no wrong way

[@kevindavis6042]

Mike you don't have to justify the way you do things What's right for you is right To hell with the haters

[@dereksstuff8395]

Great stuff! Glad to be part of the outtro! Love the OUTDOORS!!!

[@charlesgrant6985]

I think the original staircase was going into the basement. Thanks for all the great KZbin content. 🇺🇸🪕🎸

[@jasoncaspersen139]

Hi Morgans! At minute 20:15, I'm the "guy from Colorado" that sent you an Intro. Thanks for the shout out! We live 35 miles south east of Denver. We don't have the tree's like you do in PA. We have open plains. Some areas near to me in Elizabeth Colorado and Franktown Colorado have huge stands of Ponderosa Pine trees, but not at my house. Interesting fact, we live in an area that is higher in altitude then Denver or Colorado Springs and we get more rain than they do. If you go 10 miles east of me, there are no trees and it's wide open. The pile of wood you see in my video is from a local mill where I make firewood out of the slab, similar to the ones you make from your mill. Thank you, and keep up the great videos!

[@rogerbamatutz1927]

I share your view of the beauty of hardwoods. There's nothing like it. At one time I refinished furniture mainly because I love the look when done.

[@stevetrachsel8690]

Thanks for the continued interesting videos! Tell Hunter hello from a fellow wood cutter from Missouri!

[@kens.3729]

The Closing video was Great. It’s really neat seeing what other folks are doing in their part of the World. 🌎

[@OutdoorsWithTheMorgans]

Yea we love it too!

[@smoke09able]

Excellent explanation on your logic behind how you use the Wolfe Ridge Splitter Mike. We all think differently but listening or observing is how we learn new and/or better ways of doing things. Melissa might've of been by the long Woodstack you had the first time she went down the stairs.

[@ronaldtowns7291]

It’s a good morning when I can watch you guys and drink my coffee. Can’t say enough good about this channel so I’ll just say great job. 👍

[@robertmoran9886]

Grew up in beautiful southwestern PA, but we never burned elm due to the smell! Watching your great channel gets me homesick for people & woods! Yinz are terrific!

[@ruthhaught4296]

Man the wood you mill is beautiful!! I would put that right over my existing countertops and just stare at it. I love natural beauty. Great job Morgans❤️

[@Chris-jh3tg]

Man, that lumber is incredible, especially the cherry. Could you imagine your kitchen cabinets being made from that cherry? Unbelievable. Nice work!

[@tknoerle1451]

That was a great "close" Melissa...just pushing Mike out of the way on the stairs! LOL. That fan closing was a great one too! :)

[@bwayne40004]

Out of the way? Hmmm.....maybe DOWN the stairs. Did you see how quickly she agreed with Mike about being particular with the stickers? "Oh, yeah".

[@jbluley]

Hello Mike - My name is Jim and I am a turner. I would prefer a 16" Round split in half to remove the pith. Seal them right away (use paint, wax, glue or there are also commercially available wood sealers available). I would love to turn cherry or maple. Oak is not a favorite, and definitely no softwoods. I can't wait to turn a beautiful piece of PA cherry from the Morgan forest! Thanks and keep doing what you are doing, you have a beautiful family.

[@bobfitch607]

Like the way you explained why you split the way you do. Should always do what works best for you when it comes to anything in life. Other's don't agree? Too bad!!!

[@lloydpainter1701]

Another interesting video. Thanks Mike and Melissa for taking the time to educate us on why you do things the way you do.

[@rcote1234]

These are good splitting tips. Thanks Mike.

[@markbrown9838]

I love the way Melissa said "Oh Yeah" when Mike asked if she'd noticed that he was picky. The tone of her voice spoke volumes 😂. Love you guys and your videos.

[@broughlands3999]

Another great video .... love tuning in to watch. Hi from Derbyshire England...

[@kens.3729]

Loved the “Buckin’ Billy Ray” Hoody on the Video Intro. 👍 He and his son are taking care of the Trees 🌳 up In British Columbia, Canada 🇨🇦

[@johngrossbohlin7582]

I'm primarily a "flat boarder" fine woodworker and make things like chests of drawers, trunks, boxes, etc. that I typically assemble with hand-cut dovetails. I fell and mill trees for my own use. As part of a large woodworking club I have also seen it done numerous times. One thing that someone figured out is that checks often go into the ends of the boards up to about where the stickers are placed. For example, stickers 10" from the end of the board = 10" checks. As such, if you place the stickers at the very ends of the boards it helps prevent significant checks. That increases the usable yield... I wouldn't call this a 100% rule as concerns what happens but I bet I'm running 90%+ very short checks in my lumber shed. I do some turning of things like drawer knobs, handles, feet, etc. for use on flat boarder projects and repairs. I also hang around with a lot of turners. From this I see that the pith is never left in a turned object unless they are specially looking for cracks (often filled with epoxy). It is either removed by sawing, riving (i.e., splitting) or turning. Note, that much of the bowl and vessel work is done with fairly fresh green wood or wood that was sealed all the way around to keep the moisture in it. Cut to length and not split the wood checks and becomes pretty much useless for turning. As such none of the guys stock piled rounds for turning... rather what I see is wood that is sawn in half or quarters, bucked as long as they were in diameter, and smothered in Anchor Seal or something similar. Spindle turning is a different story... spindles blanks are typically sawn or riven to rough dimension and no pith is included. This may be with green or dried wood depending on the intended use. All that said, perhaps your customers should tell you what they want when they order rather than you making up a bunch of stuff on speculation...

[@fleminj2pa]

Mike, it’s good of you to take the time to explain why you do things a certain way. Some viewers may benefit from that.

[@123gonow]

Shout out to the Landfill Rat ! Glad your doing the intro it's fun !

[@boooshes]

I'm a turner and have made many from cherry. Generally, the bowl is turned not including the pith for the very reasons you mentioned. The useful size of a log for turning depends on the size of bowl you desire and if you include the sapwood in the bowl. As an example, a 10" diameter log might produce perfectly fine 8" diameter (and smaller) bowls. Bowls can be turned from green wood, then dried and finished ( producing a bowl of uncertain shape due to changes during drying ), or turned again to a perfect circle, then finished. The wood can also be turned after fully drying (which might take many years). I have turned numerous bowls that actually include the pith, but usually once the log has dried and shown to be stable and crack free.

[@alexatwood5695]

Hi for your questions about turning. On the log you where showing if you remove about an inch on top and bottom and remove a 2’’ in the center and you leave the 2 pieces with live edge it’s perfect for turning blanks

[@olddawgdreaming5715]

Good morning Mike and Melissa, another great video. Thanks for sharing with us.

[@philgriswold2133]

I have always found it interesting that when people don't understand what you are doing, they assume it is because they know something YOU don't. It's rare that they would think it is because you know something THEY don't. Nice in-depth on the splitter and why you chose you wedge. It seems as if the answer is, it depends.

[@ronatwell5379]

Sure do love the options that splitter gives you. I know experience is the best teacher on how to do most anything laborious. Most anyone can figure out what works best for them, and occasionally, a good suggestion comes along that we never thought of from someone who has figured it out for you already. Enjoyed the video.

[@lyndamcardle4123]

Mike....I used to work with a bloke who had this wonderful saying and this is it - verbatim in Yorkshire dialect (translation to follow)...."tha's got to werk to a system whatever tha does in life...werk to a system" (you've got to work to a system, whatever you do in life, work to a system)...it appears that you've got your system...it works for you....I can't fault that !

[@mckennapatterson696]

Love watching you guys, keep up the great work. An I also love the mini cabin

[@Twomidgetsonahorse]

Mike, To your question for us wood turners in the audience. The answer in short ( Yeah right ) would be what is the wood to be turned into. The center pith is not the most desirable but some use this defect to their advantage by turning a bowl off center, removing the pith and either leaving a void or using epoxy to fill to create a focal point of interest. For turners who prefer longer pieces for chair rails and stiles or for stairs the answer would be to cut longer pieces of logs and again trying to avoid that pith center. I have however used the center to great effect by stabilizing it and giving it a high luster polish. Breathtaking in stairs or chair work. For the truly advanced turner their is no such thing as a defect only possibilities. Artistic pieces such as segmented bowls will use just about any stable solid piece of wood and often times as you know their is color and pattern variation within inches on a cross section of wood. It boils down to " it depends " there is value in all wood the only final determination is the mind and imagination of the turner in question. You are largely correct that the center pith of the tree is not that stable and those who are trying to maximize return will avoid the hassle of dealing with it. There are however those of us out here who see the challenge of utilizing such problematic wood and do so to amazing and very profitable effect. So yeah I'd take your cast offs any day. Keep up the great vids Doug Oregon

[@StoneyRidgeFarmer]

I like what ur doing with the intros brotha! Can't wait to get our mill here on the farm....out playing with the cows today! God Bless

[@terrencetristan5865]

Instablaster.

[@gettintheresafelywithpatf2869]

Mike it depends, for bowls and live edge work, the “ center of the log” gets removed, either by cutting to a smaller piece or during the working process. Segment turning is from scraps of planking or other pre cut pieces and glued up, but any way you look at it most often the pith is removed because when it dries it creates a split. However some wood turners will leave in the pith especially when he is turning a forked piece of wood, because this adds character to the work. So at your end, of the lumber chain I would ask your customer what they prefer... I like burls from any wood as long as it is solid!

[@merlewarnsholz2094]

Mike - Great educational video. Thanks for sharing your reasons as to why you do what you do. Some may still question, but hey, opinions are like noses, almost everyone has one. Blessings to you and your family. Say Hi to Hunter.

[@kbpgd2]

Hi Mike and Melissa. I watch every day. I enjoy the channel very much. Thank you for all the time and effort you put in. Mike your audio is so much better than other channels I watch, it's great for an old tin knocker!

[@robertallen7106]

wow that ending clip was like the guy had been doing it for you all along really good

[@casycasy5199]

love the new intros and exit videos

[@thebradleysoncatbirdhill6849]

Good morning folks! I think you guys sent us the rain from Western Pennsylvania to Eastern Pennsylvania. We had over 2 in here on Saturday. My property is like a mud bath. The sloppy weather is driving me crazy, as I know it is for you, Mike. Need to get my chainsaw mill going and tackle these logs I have laying everywhere! Have a great day guys! 👍

[@lylestatzer7112]

You can take this for what it's worth. Only because of who I am and my last thoughts to your channel. There is a tuber on here by Matthew Cremona, he operates a hand made band saw mill. Does some very interesting work. I tell you this because we all can learn from someone else at times. He covered a log that he was milling for table legs. Just a thought that you could get some great information from him as to how and why he milled his log the way he did for turning table legs. It was a very informative video and he does some very fantastic wood working projects. I wish I had his talent

[@johns4584]

Some beautiful furniture grade lumber, it will be gorgeous when crafted into a piece for the generations............

[@warrenosborne1539]

I just took a break from dragging up some Red Oak with my old YM-165 Yanmar, loud as hell, I call it my Yammer Hammer,, but it works, sawed it up and now on to split it with the antique Northern Hydraulics splitter. It's cool to see the state of the art equipment. My stuff is much more physical, but at my age,, 67, the work may help me to love a bit longer. Keep up the great videos! oz Oops, I meant to say live a bit longer, but I suppose my typo applies as well.

[@joejodikaden]

I think your way of splitting will be better for most people, the pieces will easier for most people to pick up with one hand.

[@kirkdehart7282]

Hey guys I just purchased a Connex building 10x10x40 2000$ and built a kiln out of it and use it as storage . Works great

[@johnreinburg859]

Some beautiful wood Mike and Melissa!

[@kwantao69]

Mike, your comment about Colo and no trees - when I was there many years ago for 10 years, I realized for the first time what they mean in Montana about 'Big Sky' It is amazing.

[@HallnoutMhall]

LANDFILL RAT! MIKE I AGREE WITH YOU 100% WITH THE WEDGES. GREAT INFORMATIVE VIDEO.

[@wendymangas5973]

Mike and Melisa I really in joy your video's. It would be such a treat to have property to be able cut and split wood, keep the video's coming. We are from central Ohio, thanks John and Wendy Mangas.

[@kendallrogers377]

Keep em comin, Love your videos. Always informative and always entertaining...

[@earlrumble1692]

I agree with Rich B. for the most part. However, my lathe has a maximum 16 inch swing so I tend to smaller blanks. So on that Cherry you were showing I would cut down the center , not worring about the pith, then Anchor seal. Then when turning I would turn off the pith area which would give me more timber to work with. Also, cutting a flat spot on each side would help out. So the procedure for me would be to make one cut to flatten out the top, rotate 180, make another flattening cut, the split the log through the pith. Finally cut the blanks one inch longer than the diameter. That one inch gives some lea way for any checking.

[@DrakeMiester]

Ive really enjoyed all of the different intros,look forward to closing ones.

[@waynesheffield7011]

Thanks for this video. Nice to see this splitter go through all that it can. Really wish that I could afford one of these right now.

[@mikemancusi7357]

I still just split wood by hand. For me it provides the best pieces because it splits how the wood wants to split. And I can choose better what size piece of wood I want. Great video, looking forward to the next one!

[@johnwynne2179]

Love watching you guy's, do what you keep doing, what your comfortable with. If you find using the woodsplitter better the way you do it, carry, it's your preference. Swimming pool, had one of those when I was a kid, hang on, that was a big bucket in the yard, again, you want a pool, get yourself a pool, it's your property, your money, you worked for it. While I'm on a roll, out in the woods, somebody mentioned why you don't plant more trees. Half the reason the trees are dying, is lack of space, what you are doing is managing the land, and in a good way, plus the bonus is, you get a good mix of lumber. Right I'm off, just going for a dip in my pool in the sunny UK...................... OK, I'm fibbing

[@bmorrison0070]

Loved the ending out thing guy. Very cool. Good info about the splitter.

[@henryrodgers3409]

Video # 258 .... I guess my trade mark is going down stairs . Picnic table by the driveway .

[@bigbigby4657]

First time I remember seeing you use the stairs Mel was over on the concrete pad in front of the garage doors. ☺

[@richbissonnette301]

Great video as usual Mike. For turning, I cut the center out. With a piece like you were showing, I would cut about 2 inches from the center, making 3 pieces. Then the center piece, I cut the sap wood off and cut the center out of that. There would be 4 pieces for turning. I would then anchor seal them so they don’t check/split. Cherry is one of my favorite woods to turn, especially doing live edge bowls.

[@JamesSmith-ji6yx]

Mike, you could split into rounds, but turning end grain like that is a pain. If the round is large enough most turners would split it to avoid the pith. This makes pieces that most appropriate for turning. Turning blanks are sold as squares such as 6x6 and 2,3, 4, 5, 6 plus high etc. Commercially it is difficult to find blanks larger than 8x3 unless you cut your own.

[@iship9705]

Mike & Melissa Just do it! have fun doing it! and be Safe doing it ! God Bless !

[@KC2DZB]

Derek, awesome job on the outro video!

[@realairplane261]

That is a NICE splitter. I notice several times previously and drooled all over my iPad. 🤪. I would have to have,work light put on it because it is such a nice machine. Hey Wolfridge can I try one out?

[@williamspangenburg8116]

Love the staircase!

[@sharpshooter470]

Mike on turning blanks, no one would use the Pith of the log for anything. The small cherry logs (10" )you show in this video would normally be cut in at least 12" length then cut through the pith to make 2 halves. From there a bowl could be made from each side or other squares cut to work around the Pith. I think you can easily see that the extra labor would drive up the cost and shipping green wood is also a killer. You do have some beautiful wood there, I also enjoy your channel and the family values that you live out before us all. Blessing CD

[@bubbagump4686]

GET THAT LUMBER SHED BUILT !!!

[@SwimCoach8]

Mike, I've been looking that cherry over. A few years ago my wife and I were visiting the Finger Lakes. We visited the Corning Museum of Glass. Long story short, I got the bug and I've been blowing glass for 4 years. The blocks used for shaping glass are made of cherry. You could get dozens of blocks from each of those logs. I looked up the commercially available blocks. The smallest blocks go for about 40 bucks. The largest, well over a 100. Blockhead Glass Tools.

[@randykovack4472]

I live in the city and these vids are so interesting and informitive ... I live in Southern Ontario Canada

[@addisongardner1989]

Love you guys.Every morning like opening a present. Gratitude from the mile-high state. Quick thought. Lots of amateur, but very talented, woodworkers in PA. Do you think you could swap some of that gorgeous cherry for a woodworker's agreement to build a few blanket chests (dowery chests) for your grandbabies? Have some heirloom stuff with wood from your own place, and you'd make some great friends in the local woodworking community, where news of your mill's quality would spread like wildfire. Also might make for some fun traveling (fieldtrip) vids to great people nearby.

[@geraldharvill4699]

How about for the Girls

[@CampMegabea]

@@geraldharvill4699 yes , Hope chests for the youg ladies , line them with cedar

[@addisongardner1989]

@@geraldharvill4699 Yup, Makes a lot more sense! Back to caffeinated coffee for me.! :)

[@addisongardner1989]

@@CampMegabea Brain Fart, on my part.

[@PatrickWagz]

great idea!

[@brucevincent7942]

Love your content. I know it takes a lot of time and work but you both make it look so professional and easy. When you stack lumber, stickered or not, alternate side to side or in the middle where the narrower board goes rather than two narrow ones on top of rash other on an edge. Doing that will keep the stacks more stable and tied together when you move them for drying or for sale. Bruce Vincent St Louis MO

[@JimG31547]

Hi Mike, As Terry mentioned below. On smaller logs 8 to 12 inches I will rip in half along the pith and turn it out. If I have larger logs I rip them 1 inch each side of the pith then use the good on each side of the pith cut for pen or spindle blanks. Hope this helps.

[@johnsuch5914]

Those cherry planks are gorgeous ......Stay safe out there Morgans and God Bless

[@gallopingg1]

A NICE ROOF OVER YOUR LOG SPLITTING AREA, THEN RAIN OR SNOW NO PROB FOR YOU. GREAT VID, UK

[@petegraham1458]

You are correct , the pith is unstable so its best to remove it for turning blanks . I do leave it in sometimes and stabilize it with CA glue after the rough turning , I slow dry the rough turning by burying in its shavings in a paper kraft bag for 6 months or more . Thanks for all the work you put into your channel! Best Wishes to you and your Family!

[@marcbeaudry6322]

Hey Mike, if you were to simply rip the log in half(lengthwise) woodturners would simply remove the pith while turning the bowl blank. You would of course cut the the log into bowl blanks once ripped. My two cents worth. Keep the videos coming. Cheers

[@noelgreen9381]

Hi Mike, yes, those logs would be great for wood turners, there is almost no log too small to use for turning. Typically a 10 inch diameter log would be sliced into 14 or 16 inch lengths, then the ends sealed and left to dry. Or the 16 inch lengths could be cut down the centre and you can three great bowl blanks. Bowls come in all sizes. These can be turned wet, and either dried out in a small microwave, or left to dry and then re-turned when they dry. As a wood turner, I cringe when I see you split maple, cheery and even hemlock, and I think, there goes another few bowls!

[@dennisroy3599]

Yes I use the size you were talking about and don't cut it other than bolting. If I want to cut the center out I will cut out 1/2" and make a bowl from both sides or cut end grain and hollow out the pith in the middle. Either way just cut it to a length that is just a bit longer than the diameter. And by the way I turn elm, white oak, cherry, walnut, sycamore and even redwood (Our state tree), Osage orange and basically just about anything other than pine (too sticky).

[@daveseaver6337]

Love you guys.Hate to say it eastonmade box wedge. best splitter ever.

[@richardhutchings921]

WHO says there is a right way and a wrong way? It's your wood, split it the way you want to.

[@DanielAtkinsFirewood]

Both intro & outtros were great..

[@Chris-jh3tg]

I think I remember the first stair walk was around your back yard off the garage around that picnic table.

[@TERRYB0688]

Hi Mike, I always turn "Not on the end grain" but split the log and turn across the grain, I also dip the open ends in hot wax, this slows the drying down, the wood blank will dry to quick an split other wise, hope that helps

[@darz3]

Agree with Terry

[@bobpurs]

Another great intro. 👍Landfill. Good info Mike.

[@stuartpulvermacher6861]

that wolfridge splitter is a beast it doesn't even grunt with that 6 way even when splitting elm nice God bless

[@tcf436]

Good morning Morgan's. Enjoying the videos as all ways

[@royceabbottsexcavation3709]

Yeah I like the way my table works on my Spliter as well.

[@davidhosmer1424]

Hey, love just about all the videos - all fun and interesting. I am not hard core though. I also love the family, friends and critter content. How is the extended family? Hunter is a real hoot. I don't even like photographs of myself so you will never see a intro or ending. Take care, from Blackridge (Churchill, Penn Hills, Willkinsburg)

[@davidbelanger342]

For turning I also recommend cutting into three pieces, with the smallest piece including the pith being only about 2 - 3 inches thick. Others have suggested cutting through the center of the pith, however my experience is that these pieces will still check quite a bit. The sooner the ends get sealed the better to prevent checking. Looking forward to potentially ordering some blanks from you and Melissa.

[@tudorwynphillips6458]

Loved you video, many thanks. Hi Hunter and greetings from North Wales 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@brendawiseman9155]

Good afternoon guys have fun day from Allen an Banda from Canada 🚜

[@douglynch8442]

Definitely more efficient with the 4 way and your technique Mike. Hardwoods require more time to dry and the smaller the better. Stacking also easier when smaller too. Glad to see the comparison w the 6 way, easy to see the difference in time and effort, Thanks for another great video!

[@ronnchase4872]

Brilliant marketing on your part (thanks to BF Jeanie for suggesting) to include your subscribers to open and close videos. Audience participation turning subscribers into mini You-tubers. Brilliant just brilliant!

[@mbusch76]

That oak is absolutely beautiful.

[@robintaylor-mockingeemill8223]

That cherry is amazing .

[@gregdixon357]

That's some nice looking cherry boards, would make some beautiful countertops. The first time I seen Melissa do the staircase was in the cabin build...

[@crosshairstare]

The grain in those wide cherry boards is beautiful, it would make a nice headboard for a bed or cabinets. Cherry grows so crooked here in VA, I doubt you'd find much that would be suitable for the mill, but it does dry quick and burn well. Hi Hunter!!

[@silvermaple7779]

Good morning Morgan's! As far as how to sell for wood turning, I wouldn't worry too much about removing the pith. I would just sell full rounds (ends covered in Anchorseal or something equivalent to slow the drying process) at various lengths & widths, that way it will accommodate small & large lathes & leave everything else to the discretion of the buyer. I will be a future buyer for sure! Thanks for sharing & have a great day!

[@thirdhandearthworks]

For turning blanks, you *must* remove the pith before the log checks/cracks. If you have a 12" wide log, cut it into 12" lengths (makes a max-width 12" bowl!) but the pith needs to be removed, for a 12" log I'd remove about 1" wide slab from the middle.

[@matthewsims359]

I like the idea of the viewers opening and closing the videos. Pretty cool to see what they enjoy. You mentioned the 6x6 posts so i assume its about time to wrestle with the 3 point post hole digger. Cant wait to see the drying sheds being built. Hope its not like the mini cabin. You first mentioned it in like august of 2017 and broke ground in oct or nov 2019, just sayin. Say hey to the family and yall HAVE A DAY 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@markbuilt]

Thanks for the video nice info . Thanks for sending rain my way better than the 28 inches of snow the weekend before , but puts an end to working in the bush way to soft and dangerous with big white pine branches falling the sizeof those logs you where splitting . Have a good one peoples

[@dickhansen8594]

Wonderful video. So entertaining AND informative. You’ve started a great thing. Allfather Mike. nice ring to it Dohh!!! ShieldMaiden Malissa. Thank you for sharing with the Land of the Midnight Twilight in beautiful central Alberta.