7.1 MSQ "Crossroads"| Dawntrail Stream

[@TaurusVersant]

I REALLY like Kyle's "ascian who doesn't know the war's over" theory, I'm into that a lot

[@starbog1]

Same! I even doubt that knowing the truth would stop them, I mean, imagine being told all that we know, yet for as far they would know we just murdered their friends and hold a key to their literal goal of uniting the reflections

[@YvaanAvesna]

I doubt that’s true because this is a new saga and we haven’t heard a word about Hydaelyn/Zodiark/Ascians just like they I tended

[@serisothikos]

I really, really enjoy where the story is going. Also where dungeon design is going because not only were the fights good, the vibes were impeccable. I was getting big Cerberus-from-Mass-Effect vibes from it. It def draws from lots of sci-fi horror but the first thing I thought was the facility that held Jack as a kid in ME2.

[@Amovetv]

This final fight was INSANE

[@thesunthrone]

Seconding the massive ME2 Cerberus base vibes, the somber synth track just added to it

[@SPAMCAN29]

I also couldn't shake the "galaxy map" theme in the lower piano in the music from Mass Effect. Can't unhear it now

[@MitkealStorean]

The Monty Python bunny "with big, sharp, pointy teeth!" Made me soooooooo happy even though it wiped my PUG like six times lol

[@cloara]

VERY late vod squad reporting in! I dont know how I missed this! Excited to see how you guys felt about 7.1 :D

[@Yvanne]

round table up!

[@memetastic01]

Preservation may have been keeping the real Sphene alive in a tube as backup. I wouldn't put it above a governing body of sorts to lie to their people for their own gain.

[@Amovetv]

Ooooh, I like this theory.

[@karlrassmann4604]

I think whoever is piloting fake Sphene climbed into real Sphene's "pod" in living memory and kicked the real one out. Now the impostor gets to pilot the system and real Sphene is out there, shocked to just be alive. She may have not even known she was still living herself. Also, I theorize the impostor is Tesheel Ja, sponsored by Preservation. She wants thousands of disembodied souls to continue her research and to avenge her beloved. Preservation wants memories shoved into arcane constructs. Match made in the seven hells.

[@beatrixkaelin5120]

This is close to my thought. My theory going is that the original Sphene did die. But they pulled out her entire soul. They made Eternal Sphene as an incomplete Copy of her, keeping her Soul preserved while they kept trying to perfect the Endless form so she could be brought back for real. The Sphene who is stumbling is the Original Sphene's Soul remanifesting a body like how we've seen other souls form bodies (Haurchefant and Ysale in 3.3, (Depending on how you read it) Emet-Selch in 5.3, Hythlodaeus and the Shades outside Zodiark, and again with Emet-Selch and Hythlodaeus in Ultima Thule). The new Sphene in Solution 9 is a copy of Eternal Sphene made using her Regulator (her crown), and we'll end this with Real Sphene as adoptive sister to Gulool Ja to rule or Sphene will be a shard of Azem who'll rejoin us after we get super electrocuted or something.

[@Norbert_Sattler]

Well... it would not be the first time, we've seen someone frozen over long times. And while the bodies of the clone twins in the Crystal Tower deteriorated (If I remember correctly), they've been frozen for even longer, than the 400 years Sphere would have been preserved. That being said, Sphene was turned into an Endless, because her body died, or was at least close to dying. If they had been able to safe her, they wouldn't have needed to make her an Endless to begin with... unless this body is hideously maimed and disfigured (other than that one hand we saw, obviously). But if they kept her soul safe in some kind of container (or the maimed boy in stasis) and only hooked that up with the four-armed body, rather than integrating it, it would explain how her personality could regain control from the programming. It could mean the programming was just a sort of wrapper around her real soul, while leaving the "source code" (i.e. her true soul) unaltered, rather than them tinkering with her actual soul as we (or at least I) assumed previously.

[@ghostbearr1]

Sphene could be a primal. There is enough aether and souls in the air.

[@xVSlashx]

They forgot what they learned in Elpis...The Echo can see the memories of a location not just a person. With them going off about the bunny memories.

[@Eiensakura]

The thumbnail is 10/10. Ave Gulool Ja!

[@Manuel1112221]

Shades of Elidibus puppeteering Ardbert's body, huh? Thanks for the stream! :D

[@RockR277]

Hey Garrett, as a DRK, your TBN and 10% single target mit (whose name I'm forgetting) can be used on party members. Can be potentially life saving if you notice someone is low on HP before raid damage or targeted aoes.

[@RockR277]

OBLATION!

[@kenallsop7502]

I think 4.1, at least narratively, might be one of my all-time favorite patches - mostly for its final quest, Return of the Bull. Between Arenvald stepping up, Fordola's intervention in the Lakshmi encounter and the subsequent conversation with those she has wronged, and that talk between Nanamo and Raubahn, it's some of the best-written and best-delivered dialogue in the entire game. That said, I really enjoyed 7.1 and I'm very excited for everything that's to come, both short- and long-term.

[@KMCA779]

1:56:30 Kyle channeling his inner Werner Herzog is priceless. "Warrior of Light is a dangerous profession"

[@Golden122]

VOD Squad!

[@Toffeehammer]

I love the idea that Preservation went through a bunch of Sphene AI versions before they finally settled on the one we met in Dawntrail and we go to the facility where they stored all the "failures" and it's just a dungeon where all the enemies are malfunctioning/mindless Sphene AI's. If that Sphene at the end in Living Memory really is the original, flesh-and-blood Sphene that Preservation put in a stasis pod or something then it'd be a really interesting way to go.

[@maxrevive592]

Kyle is right. Yoshi-P did say there are unaccounted Ascians in the world sometime earlier this year iirc.

[@carbxncle]

I think you were doing decently at the last boss, you just had a sandbag to end all sandbags with you.

[@TheDoddler]

Not just a little sandbagging, looking at it Sunset Shimmerr did not proc dual cast a single time during the first boss and I'm not entirely sure if they used skills at all, and in the second fight with no deaths he was hard 4th in agro. The other red mage was low dps and struggled with movement mechanics, but did try. Garrett and Kyle probably did more together than both DPS.

[@marslara]

😂

[@Wallie759]

@@TheDoddler i swear to god garrett was trying super hard not to say it, I just felt it. lowkey felt like one of those was a bot or a troll because how do you not use dual cast as a bloody redmage

[@carbxncle]

@@Wallie759 probably the kind of people who write those "Dawntrail is too hard!!" forum posts. Which is fine, but it would sort of clash with wanting to be on stream with your favourite content creator.

[@camiart_casual]

@@carbxncleyeah I don’t think I would fist time anything with a streamer unless they were my friend irl. And I wouldn’t do it at all with content or a class I know I’m bad at. Like damn way to embarrass yourself and make the experience tougher for a content creators you like/admire.

[@walkseva]

King Baby tapping away on the terminal keyboard is peak baby on ipad energy.

[@yuandyberry]

In opening Tuliyollal scenes, we meet Bakool Ja Ja mocking Zoraal Ja for skipping the martial contest. Koana explains that Zoraal Ja was north, leading the Landsguard against a tural vidraal. The timing matches. This might be the tural vidraal referred to during that intro cutscene.

[@PetarBladeStrok]

Yeah Zoraal Ja is a horrible person, but I never equated how much I like the person to how well I think they're written. Those are two different things. Some of my favorite characters in fiction are straight up vile persons, but they're written amazingly. It always bothered me that many people rate characters by how much they like them as a person, rather by how well they're written. Ofc, I'm not talking about you two, but people in general when it comes to all stories. I think this patch does really good things for his character. He was mentally scarred by his father heavily & that scene of him having a mental breakdown does wonders for his psychology. It's showing that Gulool Ja may have not been the best father to him. Far from it in actually. Seeing his son awakened memories of him & his father. He's got legit PTSD because of Gulool Ja. But then again, I like subtextual storytelling. I like when not everything is explicitly stated and we're just given breadcrumbs & I know it's a niche thing. But it makes it interesting to me. That said, I really liked this patch. I see a ton of potential for 7.2 & 7.3. Was a blast to watch this.

[@akibarea4044]

2:38:20 is my favorite part! 😂 our boys first time experiencing the last boss hahaha. I just love your reactions lol. Love you Kyle ugh 😂

[@Eiensakura]

Lunipyati got hands xD

[@kiriuxeosa8716]

Straight up JACKED RABBIT! 🏋‍♀️💪🦵🤜🤛🫵

[@tealtraveler]

My guess is that Preservation is headed by one of the remaining Ascians, and maybe this new fake Sphene is specifically to annoy us after we foiled their Ascian plot in Endwalker

[@camiart_casual]

Or maybe with the Paragons dead, stranded on a different reflection, nobody came to tell them that Zodiark is dead and there’s nothing left for them to fight for?

[@RazzBerrieCharm]

I LIVE UNDER A ROCK!! 🥺🥺😭

[@yatak1000]

I was watching as i was behind and it got privated D: . Then 2 minutes later it was back up :D

[@kiriuxeosa8716]

Stop checking out their privates! 😳

[@andyoh1987]

working theory! preservation includes an asian who does not know the events of endwalker, and are still focused on their mission for the rejoining. “new” sphene, is just a computer back-up, probably something of a learning a.i, that’s choosing the most awful plan, in order to succeed. the individual we see in living memory, that y’shtola is running to, is the real, flesh and blood sphene that was put into cryo/suspended living, as they didn’t want the actual true queen to die (long live the queen, literally), and extracted the characteristics/qualities that made her love her people, input those into the computer, and thus created the a.i. sphene. but now, she’s awake, and has no idea what has transpired to her kingdom and her people.

[@BloodKitten_]

there is only one thing i can say to try making fights easier, in combat, it might be better to use legacy type, while turning off camera pivot, it give you a free 4 direction movement without backpaddeling, to give an example, if you want to cast unmend while running, you character will only turn a split second to throw unmend without impacting your movement, or, you can press S/down to turn away without needing to pivot the camera and no backpaddle or needing to sidestep in order to run. again, this is something overwhelming majority of players use (almost exclusivly in japan but majority in other regions) wich is easier for use for savages, but standart i find have its use when wanting to use social spaces.

[@RockR277]

Huh. I'm surprised Garrett was so against min IL. I figured they were both just really into min IL for first runs.

[@camiart_casual]

I guess it was mostly so they could experience things as close as to how it would have felt to be current at the time it was released. It now they ARE current so there’s no need 🤔

[@Ryukai-san]

My cookin idea is that the LM Sphene is the Actual flesh and blood Sphene. When you go through Alexandria dungeon, the 3rd part there's text/VA that says 'They did it! They preserved the queens...*static'. Now why would they need to obfuscate the word 'memory' unless it's NOT her memory alone but her entire body that they preserved? in a type of Cryogenic stasis? and now that we shut all the systems down, the back up generator that was keeping her in suspended animation eventually ran out, so it automatically 'woke/ejected' her as a last resort.

[@RockR277]

I don't think the echo flashback and recording is about Zoraal Ja, or even about Teshaal Ja really. I think it's more meant to be about how Gulool Ja processes his memories and emotions over loss in relation to the rest of Alexandria. Maybe there's something more there, but that's what I take away from it. I'm not confident on any theories about what either Sphene is, but I do like the idea that they're endless made by the black regulators. Maybe the one in living memory is an unintended by product? What really interests me is the what, why and how of evil Sphene's plan to turn 5000 citizens into endless. Idk if it's gonna end up being directly ascian related, but I'm thinking it'll somehow lead to a primal summoning.

[@medekhgui]

I was super late to do MSQ. Had a lotta fun doing it alongside the stream haha. Might try and keep doing it that way if they get to the patch story this fast.

[@Bongaboi151]

45:00 quests start

[@Reyn_Roadstorm]

As a RDM main that final dungeon boss fight was painful to watch. Honestly not trying to be mean here, but were they trying to make the fight take longer by not healing themselves, not immediately rezzing, and seemingly intentionally dying? Because that's what it felt like. On a lighter note, that boss reminds me of the rabbit from The Twilight Zone movie. I think one of the devs may have watched it at some point while this dungeon was being made.

[@KMCA779]

the RDM's definitely didn't feel like RDM mains... but to be fair my first couple runs on this were almost as bad and apparently I'm not bad. But I also make my own calls for mechanics so new stuff will usually get me.

[@OnTheVeryOffChanceIComment]

When I watched it happening I felt bad cause it seemed like they got tilted. I could just imagine them stressing because they probably knew they were messing up and the stress and frustration of making mistakes was probably compounded knowing they were being watched by everyone. I imagine that could have resulted in more mistakes. ): Who knows though, maybe I’m just too charitable with how I think.

[@thesunthrone]

Love the evil smiles in this patch. History's smuggest queen!

[@Bongaboi151]

For a second, I thought the last part was a bonus quest that I did not complete, but then I realized that it was just post-patch MSQ musings.

[@mythic_ael]

I did notice the back of Sphene no longer has that Endless writing

[@UltaFlame]

Does it not? I went back to the cutscene from the journal and it looked like it was still there.

[@mythic_ael]

@ I’m probably being blind 😂

[@Madlad000]

It still does. Some people said it during Jesse streams and he checked it and it’s there

[@EloquentTroll]

The last boss puts me to mind of Vizzerdrix from Magic the Gathering

[@donimmortal7692]

tbf, I would be surprise if someone brought me a baby and said I am the father, when I thought I am infertile my whole life.

[@camiart_casual]

I thought it was Gulool JaJa that was infertile, not necessarily Zoraal Ja

[@donimmortal7692]

@@camiart_casual Even with one head, Zoraal Ja himself still a hybrid. So I think it is natural to assumed he would be infertile, especially within the game world.

[@ThemisElidibun]

If you yourself do not have an AOE it does not hurt to eat one with someone, a few of these arenas are too small for any other option (like the second boss).

[@batwingpie]

@3:20:00 I can only imagine what a Crystal animation of this exchange would be 😆😆😆

[@Norbert_Sattler]

Well... at least Gulool Ja now knows that his mother loved him. And even the part about his father's rejection is probably more on the positive side for him. He was already rejected by Zoraal Ja to his face, in what I suspect to be a far more traumatic fashion. But now the recording made it clear, that Zoraal didn't reject Gulool, because the boy was somehow insufficient, but over Zoraal believing himself unworthy or insufficient to raise any child. Sure it was probably a shock in the moment, but overall probably a relief, even if just a small one. Plus the much bigger relief of his mother. If that is the real soul of Sphene, that appeared in Living Memory, that would mean that the Endless were indeed the actual souls preserved, and not just memory matrices or somesuch. That would also mean that when we shut down the servers, what's left of that reflection's lifestream got a massive injection of souls all at once. I wonder if that might be enough to kickstart the life cycle in that reflection again, and put it into a state, where we can bring it back from the brink, similar to what we accomplished in the First. That could well be a story-line for future MSQ or optional side content like Eden and Welrynt.

[@blackdragoncyrus]

inding out more about Galool Ja’s mother could have been interesting, so naturally they take the most, boring, uninteresting, nothing route with this. The kid’s mother turns out to be a nobody healer part of Zoraal Ja’s unit when he went to kill a Tural Vidraal, where she had this obsession with him. She willingly does everything he wants in exchange for being an obedient lapdog, and to get some dick, culminating into tying him with her forever by shoving a baby in her face and expecting him to abandon his ambition to be her husband. So, naturally, Zoraal Ja has a complete meltdown, causing her to cry that he didn’t love her, dumps her kid by a lake and presumably dies off-screen. Nothing about Zoraal Ja is revealed that we didn’t already know, so it just ends up being a massive waste of time; the kid goes “Thanks, I know this now.” and continues on like normal.

[@verdantnekomoya7965]

@2:28:00 its the dark souls of tank busters @5:38:40 I read that scene as his own birth being so rare and a “miracle” that he didn’t believe another blue scaled hoobigo could be born and from him Edit: haha wrote this as kyle came to the same conclusion

[@JLOGIAC]

I really enjoy the game one i can accept and watch from you guys discussion that we are a mentor 😊 we are the strongrst but we hold back ourselves to watch someone grow 😊

[@karlrassmann4604]

I theorize the situaition with Sphene is that the imposter is Tesheel Ja. After being rejected by Zoraal Ja, she joined the ranks of Preservation to find new purpose. She climbed into whatever pod held Sphene's body in Living Memory, kicked her body out and took control of the system. Now actual Sphene is back and alive somehow and will be an ally moving forward, but likely will have to die for real by the end of DT. Evidence for Tesheel Ja being the culprit was in the dungeon. Whoever the imposter is has to have the knowledge and ability to meddle with the parts of souls. Taking the memories out of all the citizens of Solution 9 would leave thousands of bodiless souls ready to be experimented on, just like what they were doing in the dungeon. In this partnership, Tesheel Ja can continue her research and, in a twisted, sadistic way, exact revenge for Zoraal Ja. Meanwhile her sponsors in Preservation get to work on restoring their Endless project.

[@travismattingly1414]

Theres a lot of the boys assuming this patch is ABOUT exploring Zoraal Ja in this stream, when hes truly an incidental character in a patch about Gulool Ja trying to learn more aboht his heritage and explaining something the players would NOT shut up about during 7.0 (where did the baby come from).

[@Amovetv]

How can you "assume" something if you witnessed it with your own eyes?

[@travismattingly1414]

@Amovetv no hate meant by what I said, even if maybe it sounded like it in text. 💜 I guess I just didn't see what they were doing as focusing on developing Zoraal Ja any more than they already had. His inclusion in the story as a plot device doesn't mean he's suddenly the focus of the content. To completely remove him from all content relating to Gulool Ja would leave many questions the fans wanted answered, unanswered. Even if he was a clone. But hey, I'm not the writer, nor am I in your brain. I can't control how you think or how you view the content, and I don't want to do that anyways. We'll see what happens in future patches i suppose. I certainly am also done with ZJ.

[@travismattingly1414]

@Amovetv admittedly the word "assume" maybe sounds more confrontational or condescending than I meant. I was more worried that focusing too much on ZJ even being involved would make you disregard the rest of what was happening as uninteresting trash.

[@drusy4732]

that red mage had to be trolling.

[@beatrixkaelin5120]

To answer why Zoraal Ja is so shocked: when we killed him, he lamented that he never knew a father's love, since he was on a pedastool as the "Miracle" that was all he knew, while Gulool JaJa kept picking up kids he loved as much as him, Meaning he's as important to his father as two orphans. Now instead of being "Aw Gulool Jaja is such a cool dude," Imagine him being surrounded by people saying Zoraal Ja was a Miracle saying such things around him that No matter how special he is, his father must not love him. That's the situation he grew up in. He has NO Positive view of Parenthood. Now Zoraal Ja is thrust upon a child, that only his genetic material is needed to make, he doesn't need to MAKE the child physically, He doesn't even need to do the 'cropdusting.' And suddenly he's expected to be a father? To him who was so unready to be a dad because he hated his own? Yeah, his reaction is natural, it happens in the real world. And yes, Tasheel Ja had no need for him to even be in the same room as her. She could have taken a shed scale, a bit of blood, claim it's needed for experimenting to make Zoraal Ja stronger... Any reason she could get from him what she needed to test tube an egg by herself. He was probably entirely unaware of what she was doing.

[@travismattingly1414]

I could have sworn there was something about Preservation not existing anymore, and my initial theory was like "Oh, theyre back, theyre evil, its a big umbrella corp evil thing." But ive seen a bunch of people saying Preservation is still around? I want way more details on whats up with them in the next patch for sure. My assumption is one or two of the unaccounted for Ascians doing hardcore damage control after a failed Rejoining.

[@canatsey]

I had to stop watching right before you got to the Dungeon, so VOD squad it is! I wonder how the Boys liked the rabbit…

[@Rakka5]

GEE BILLY, HOW COME YOUR MOM LETS YOU HAVE TWO SPEENS?

[@Dostwyn]

I really didn't like the whole Koana bit, because it made no sense. It felt like a cartoon for little kids. So Koana comes to the catpeople tribe and says that he doesn't like their ways because his parents abandoned him to follow some cows around. This kinda negates the whole message he learned during the main game that the old ways can be good sometimes and don't always need to be replaced with new technology, but okay. The catpeople then teach him that they live together with the fantasy buffaloes, which immediately makes him love them. He loves them so much that he even throws himself in front of one to protect it from a dinosaur. The leader of a nation is willing to get himself killed in a futile effort to protect a random cow. Then afterwards this random trader appears and he tells us about this one time 20 years ago when he was at a village that also got attacked by a dinosaur. There he happened to see a couple also throwing themselves in front of said dinosaur. In the one sentence they shouted at him before they got killed, they happened to mention that they have a son. Just from this, Koana immediately decides that those must've been his parents, meaning they didn't just abandon him to follow some cows around. Happy end, hooray. I mean, come on.

[@camiart_casual]

Yeah Koana exploring his parents’ culture im order to let go of the hurt he’s clearly still carrying despite the lessons he learned in the Rite could have been a very cool and complex thing to explore. Not this though. They just gave him the same backstory as Lamati’y in the sense of “my parents gave me up to protect me” and … was that really necessary? One can move on from resenting flawed parents without learning that they’re guiltless, and “my parents sucking shouldn’t condemn this entire culture I was born into and I’m glad I learned of it” seems like a much more nuanced lesson than what we got.

[@KMCA779]

I mean, Yoshi-P gave people a week for Elden Ring and people are surprised that the game took on some design queue's from it.

[@jaylee9372]

In addition to DT battle content being way more aggressive with its damage profile, you guys don’t have gear diff cushioning the shock or boosting DPS as much. Just need to give a little extra healing TLC immediately after revives and raidwides and it should smooth out the bumpiness a bit.

[@maxrevive592]

It's an Ascian.

[@TaurusVersant]

why did the streamers cross the roads

[@ThemisElidibun]

Also just catching up on this a few weeks late but judging by chat the guys should consider only showing party members initials so people can't be hella rude like chat was being.

[@Ower8x]

At the end you are assuming the whole endless bit it actually true and not an cover for some other aim ...

[@MrKnaives]

I think it's true her whole programing is the preservation of the people of Alexandria, but i do think there's another aim.

[@deice3]

Yeah, I don't think fake!Sphene that showed up at the funeral is the real one. Sphene was just a glamour on a robot, so anyone could've climbed behind the controls in theory. I do think the living being we got a pov of in Living Memory, is probably real!Sphene, the original. So she would have no knowledge of what's been going on since living memory was built.

[@Ower8x]

@@deice3 Hard to say ... from what we know her soul was extracted/captured ... and unless her body was preserved i dont think its her actual body. that said if her actual soul was somehow freed from the ai control and possessed an artificial body that would explain the bit in Living Memory ... but we will have to wait and see

[@Myskitalwin]

Since you've unwittingly given me a tangent to come in swinging... speaking of people raised by malevolent forces, the regulators are such a destructive and bad idea/implementation that they must be a part of some grander plan, which I assume comes from Preservation. It drove me up the wall in 7.0 that so little attention is paid to these objects in the context of them being a direct and present threat to the cycle of death and rebirth (and much like in WoW, we know since we've been there), as well as an unhelpful and unhealthy treatment of memories with essentially no upside outside of a tiny niche. I felt they were far more of a threat than either Zoraal Ja or Sphene. The way they would warp society would be immense. Even thinking back to the podcast on Monday, Mr Happy would never have started to get fit in a Regulated environment, since he would not remember the information he used as a catalyst. No one would know to avoid dangerous areas of the map, since people wouldn't know you'd die if you went. A modern society with all the records it entails would simply create confusion over photos, videos, artwork, adverts etc. You could use them to endlessly torture a person, except you should probably just force a regulator on their head and read their memory off the cloud if you want information they hold. Then in 7.1 they don't even resolve ordinary regulators before adding in a neo version. The last time I was this mad at the game for outright ignoring a major threat was in Stormblood 4.0, when not one of the Scions was bothered enough to comment on why Garlemald was set up to lose the war before it began. Of course, this led to the famous 'by design' line and the reveal of Emet-Selch, but I still feel that the writers intentionally shelved the issue knowing they will deal with it later, thus creating a hole in the experience for the players that can only guess that. Speaking of Emet-Selch, he was aware of the Golden City. The city is made of electrope, which places it late- or post-cataclysm, implying that he was also aware of the designs on cross-reflection travel and lifestream interference. Since these two things directly infringe on his purposes of both rejoining shards and recruiting souls that retain memories to his cause, it would only be fit that he would either crush such an initiative, or usurp it (assuming it wasn't an Ascian plot to start with). As such, I fully expect an untouched Ascian to be revealed. As an aside, I did enjoy the possibility that there is an actual city made of gold a few miles further north in Tural, replete with "WoL Summer Vacation" banners, true tacos and swimsuit episodes, where the locals are confused since the guests of honour they were told to expect by a disembodied snarky voice just haven't shown up. 7.1 was not that great a story chapter. It carried forward many of the main issues I had with 7.0, with the silver lining that many of the story lines seem to be tied up and can be dropped going forward. The writers can try their hand at something new from 7.4 onwards, but at the same time it backs up my decision to step away from the game for a time.

[@FinalDragoon]

People complained the dungeons weren't hard enough. Is 37 deaths and 5 wipes hard enough yet?

[@kiriuxeosa8716]

You know the answer to that Of course not! GIVE ME LAZER WALLS TO DODGE!!!!

[@serisothikos]

I healed it once with a paladin who only did single pulls and never hit holy spirit/circle or sheltron or any of their cooldowns so they could barely stay alive without constant babysitting, and slow dps on top of it. Four wipes, including three on the last boss, and a 35 minute run overall. It was... rough.

[@weedgoku69]

no, not at all. the dungeon isn't particularly difficult

[@DasKillaPocket]

I answering because I don't think you're joking, but you should clearly know that was not a typical 1st run. Great heals or not, folks dying too much is all it takes sometimes.

[@carbxncle]

We want harder tbh

[@Prottoy959]

The quest "Crossroads" is where the new writing team takes over. 100 bucks says so. I hope the Rroneek shyte was the last we see of the DT writing team.

[@Darth0Prince]

I liked most of the patch, but the whole rroneek subplot made me cringe. Especially the scene with koana sacrificing himself for a baby cow. Brother learned about his roots for a day and already forgot he's a head of a state (whos death will be pretty devastating for the nation) and not actually a nomad who was raised as a rroneek maid (he actually hated the nomads with a passion his whole life). Also, where were the others when he was trying to hug a charging dino?

[@katherinemerkel3505]

Honestly that part should have been a quest line for the beast master job or something. Not msq.

[@nyneball]

I think I just witnessed the actual worst RDM ever to run on stream. Holy moly.

[@progamer-weeb]

Zoraal Ja was so boring they decided to do nothing and make him even more boring in a flashback. Koana's VA saves his section but barely, but its definitely some dawntrail ass dawntrail questing :\

[@7Celestron]

I'm first to comment?

[@wackyzap1304]

This patch was almost as poorly written as 7.0 with the Rroneek section and how hamfisted and conveniently-delivered backstory revelation for Koana was. It feels like a copy-paste of 5.1 with Fake-Ardbert appearing at the end.

[@blackdragoncyrus]

This writing is so dreadful, goodness.

[@weedgoku69]

can't believe jehovah's witnesses are in ffxiv now

[@ahorseofcourse7283]

Jenova's Witnesses.