7 CRAZY WITCHWOOD INTERACTIONS W/ CHAMELEOS, VOODOO DOLL | HEARTHSTONE | DISGUISED TOAST

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Disguised Toast

Disguised Toast

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@飛び猫
@飛び猫 6 жыл бұрын
just so you know you are totallly going back to blizzard jail
@momokisslove5850
@momokisslove5850 6 жыл бұрын
why I mean that it just looks like he's trying to say that blizzard has good coding ( what word to use )
@javyz6197
@javyz6197 6 жыл бұрын
They are bugs/features (doesn't matter) put into the game. How could he be banned for testing those features in a custom game against himself?
@momokisslove5850
@momokisslove5850 6 жыл бұрын
Javyz is it actually bugs?
@momokisslove5850
@momokisslove5850 6 жыл бұрын
Javyz oops sorry I didn't see the feature
@adriantween584
@adriantween584 6 жыл бұрын
Javyz He was banned once for uploading a bug that was exploited for wins because he showed people how to do it. It was temporary and this one is not so exploitable so maybe it's cool or he's informed blizzard.
@joeyh31
@joeyh31 6 жыл бұрын
Why hasn't Blizzard given Toast a job yet? He's their main bug tester.
@AceGene22
@AceGene22 6 жыл бұрын
He probably makes more than they can afford to pay
@darakkuunobelu7584
@darakkuunobelu7584 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah. I mean, they are small indie company.
@MeAndSomeRandoms
@MeAndSomeRandoms 6 жыл бұрын
Ben Brode, who just left worked for them for 15 years and has now enough money to found his own game development company, I think they can pay alright :D Also who says Toast has to stop streaming/youtubing ?
@resataltayyergok8317
@resataltayyergok8317 6 жыл бұрын
MeAnd SomeRandoms what is ben brode s game company called?
@MeAndSomeRandoms
@MeAndSomeRandoms 6 жыл бұрын
He hasn't announced that, yet. I guess the company exists already but nobody knows which one it is until they announce their first game. Anyways I'm glad he is in a position to take just a chance and wish him best of luck.
@hoitouhuatu4068
@hoitouhuatu4068 6 жыл бұрын
Hello, I have another theory for the Shadowreaper Anduin that kills you at 1:44 We can see that you get an amount of health equal to -1 with 5 armor, if the battlecry would kill you, why do you get damaged like this, going from 27 HP to -1 without any animation. It's a weird way to kill a player when thing like Sacrificial Pact on Jaraxxus or even Uther of the Ebon Blade's Hero power can kill without dealing damages. I think the issue is somewhere else : the Swift Messenger changed the maximum HP of Shadowreaper Anduin. We can see the attack changing, but because of the way the card is presented (with armor point) we can't see the health changing. And Shadowreaper Anduin works in a way that doesn't heal the damages you already taken, you get the same amount of max HP (wich is 30) and you gain 5 armor. If the Swift Messenger changed both the attack and the HP, you get a 6/2 Shadowreaper Anduin. Because you already have a total of 3 damages on you before you play the card, you still have them after turning into a new hero. But now your max HP isn't 30 anymore, it's 2, and the game still remember about the 3 damages on you. In the end, the game thinks you're a 2 HP character with 3 damages on it, so you end at -1 HP and die. This explains why you get such a weird final amount of HP. Using heal right before playing Anduin could have changed everything and showed you the truth. Have a nice day =3
@animalm4st3r
@animalm4st3r 6 жыл бұрын
that is actually the reason i tried fiddling around with this setup and it didnt kill me. i was at 2 HPand i could not heal myself higher then 2
@ThePennilessPlayer
@ThePennilessPlayer 6 жыл бұрын
Ah, I've missed you Toast.
@jonnysquire4875
@jonnysquire4875 6 жыл бұрын
he has a second channel (?) uploads there nearly everyday
@gotdangedcommiesitellyahwa6298
@gotdangedcommiesitellyahwa6298 6 жыл бұрын
Check out channel Disguised Toast 2.
@thehiddenninja3428
@thehiddenninja3428 6 жыл бұрын
This isn't Disguised Toast. This is Disguised monkaS
@squelar844
@squelar844 6 жыл бұрын
Hey check this dude out his channel is really underrated! And trust me im not some kind of a bot i just really liked his channel and want other people to know about :)
@DemonDraKe682
@DemonDraKe682 6 жыл бұрын
you mean the mask, right?
@StefanAtzlinger
@StefanAtzlinger 6 жыл бұрын
Blizz be like : "Better not drop the soap. You are going back to Blizzard Jail"
@ГенийЖизни-л7ю
@ГенийЖизни-л7ю 6 жыл бұрын
Hey! What about playing doll with umbra on an enemy minion who has "deathrattle resummon this minion"(with shaman/paladin spells or the 5-mana guy who gives this deathrattle)??? So doll kills the enemy upon being played but will it kill resummoned enemy minion on death?
@javyz6197
@javyz6197 6 жыл бұрын
They are bugs/features (doesn't matter) put into the game. How could he be banned for testing those features in a custom game against himself?
@amatereysu
@amatereysu 6 жыл бұрын
he already did get banned for it once
@gzer0x
@gzer0x 6 жыл бұрын
Jokes about rape are not funny
@ГенийЖизни-л7ю
@ГенийЖизни-л7ю 6 жыл бұрын
Daniel Hecht That bug provided almost 100% winrate and he published it to the masses so he got banned. These features dont increase your winrate even by 0,1%
@JinKnight
@JinKnight 6 жыл бұрын
1. The light has betrayed him indeed.
@massivepileup
@massivepileup 6 жыл бұрын
Hm, what hapens if the voodoo'd Chameleos turns into a card that's supposed to be indestructible like the Warlock quest reward or the dormant Darkness?
@JunkeeOfficial
@JunkeeOfficial 6 жыл бұрын
Was wondering the same thing. The warlock quest reward is a 5-mana spell that summons the portal so i dont think it works. Dormant Darkness on the other hand...
@TangoDown1
@TangoDown1 6 жыл бұрын
Darkness no you would have to have all candles blown out, nether portal yes most likely because its a spell and on chameleos’ card text it states any card your opponent’s hand which means you can have a nether portal if it is in the opponent’s hand.
@mr.greenhat8911
@mr.greenhat8911 6 жыл бұрын
I think it would take no effect, since using twisting nether with those minions on the board won't have any effect. So since voodoo does the same thing, no effect.
@xavierreichel8254
@xavierreichel8254 6 жыл бұрын
In order for Chameleos to become a card, it needs to be in your opponents hand. Dormant cards like the Nether Portal, Unawoken Darkness and Dead Sherazin cannot be sent to your hand.
@santeri5921
@santeri5921 6 жыл бұрын
Xavier Reichel Nether Portal and The Darkness can be in your opponent's hand, then the voodoo'd Chameleos can turn into those cards
@williambailey9343
@williambailey9343 6 жыл бұрын
You should try destroying the secret on the opponents turn as secrets are only active then
@TheSquareOnes
@TheSquareOnes 6 жыл бұрын
Exactly what I was going to say, I'm curious to see what happens since grayed out secrets are usually "out of play" for pretty much all effects. It would be more conclusive to do it while they are active.
@blindseerz
@blindseerz 6 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@flarux5942
@flarux5942 6 жыл бұрын
you deserve more like as i was going to ask the same, this needs an answer from toast :)
@williambailey9343
@williambailey9343 6 жыл бұрын
thanks
@KevinSalim
@KevinSalim 6 жыл бұрын
That should be the case ! Genius
@HammerspaceCreature
@HammerspaceCreature 6 жыл бұрын
I think the first one is slightly wrong. The transformed chameleos doesn't kill itself because it's 'still a minion', you died because hero cards have a hidden toughness value of thirty (max hero hp), the swap effect from the messenger changed this to 2 (transformed swift messenger being a 6/2) but you retained the property of having taken 3 damage, so you got set to -1 and died.
@krankarvolund7771
@krankarvolund7771 6 жыл бұрын
But.... he didn't take 3 damages ^^'
@lighteliott4222
@lighteliott4222 6 жыл бұрын
HammerspaceCreature you're right, in this video, he has still 30 hp when he plays cameleos and survive : kzbin.info/www/bejne/fn6UaWawisp1apY
@jonsnow3919
@jonsnow3919 6 жыл бұрын
Krankar Volund You need your eyes checked.
@mustafacemaksu4706
@mustafacemaksu4706 6 жыл бұрын
no because this doensnt works on other hero cards. like you dont die and have the attack value
@Sparrow_Bloodhunter
@Sparrow_Bloodhunter 6 жыл бұрын
exactly
@wakka0222
@wakka0222 6 жыл бұрын
This is my theory: Every card in every hearthstone game has an ID attached to it. As we can see from the early experiments, this is quite apparent. Seeing that the Voodoo Doll "remembers" its target, it is quite apparent that even though the debuff is shown on the target, the Voodoo Doll ability is actually saved on the Doll itself and not on the target, unlike most other debuffs/buffs in Hearthstone. One interesting test would be to play Voodoo Doll, target a minion, bounce the Doll back then target a different minion. My opinion is that the saved data of the target on the Doll is overridden, thus only the later target is destroyed; although we can't be 100% sure of this until it's tested. However this would provide a pretty interesting bug because then the initial target would still have the Voodoo Doll effect written as part of its debuffs along with the sparklies. Now as to why certain things cannot be destroyed: I believe that weapons, minions on board and heroes all have a "get destroyed" function that happens when their durability/health reaches zero. However, cards in hand do not; when a card is discarded from hand they are not destroyed, simply discarded. As such, cards like N'zoth or Resurrect cannot bring back discarded cards, as they were not "destroyed". This brings up an interesting thing about Secrets: when a played Secret is "destroyed" by cards such as Flare, they aren't actually "destroyed", they are actually just "discarded". As such, Voodoo Doll cannot affect played Secrets or Quests.
@Reitein
@Reitein 6 жыл бұрын
I'm starting to think blizzard doesn't actually have a QA team, and they just kind of say 'Yeah, seems good enough.'
@SaHaRaSquad
@SaHaRaSquad 6 жыл бұрын
It looks like some of these interactions were on purpose based on how some of the effects look. I mean they released both voodoo doll and chameleos within the same expansion, they sure as hell thought about most possible interactions.
@vincentxu8217
@vincentxu8217 6 жыл бұрын
I’m starting to think they don’t have a designing and programming team. Isn’t this something they should have thought of before even handing over to QA?
@StevenFarmer666
@StevenFarmer666 6 жыл бұрын
You obviously don't even know what a designing and programming team actually does..
@4717-b7j
@4717-b7j 6 жыл бұрын
what happened in this video that was not intended?
@bambouinos9435
@bambouinos9435 6 жыл бұрын
What will happen if you play bronzebeard then murmuric elemental and then galvadon? Will it adapt 40 times?
@AutismPersonified
@AutismPersonified 6 жыл бұрын
S M A L L I N D I E C O M P A N Y
@dmarsub
@dmarsub 6 жыл бұрын
Why? Its not a bug, it fits the theme of a voodo doll. Maybe its an easter egg. (Well the changes attack in hand thing is kind of suboptimal i guess but maybe its werewolf anduin? Bitten by the last card?
@LetalisLatrodectus
@LetalisLatrodectus 6 жыл бұрын
This is totally a bug. Returning minions to your hand always removes buffs, debuffs, etc. Just look at corrupting mist. Not to mention that it's inconsistent with it removing the card/weapon from the board, but not secrets or the card in your hand.
@dmarsub
@dmarsub 6 жыл бұрын
The answer? V O O D O O
@Tuminure
@Tuminure 6 жыл бұрын
The buff is still on the board after cursed minion is back to hand. You can see that "Voodoo Doll Cursing" buff/debuff is on both minions (Voodoo Doll and cursed minion). And it is consistent. The card need to be on board to be destroyed by Voodoo Doll. Spells (including Secrets and Quests) are not on board.
@6Jarv9
@6Jarv9 6 жыл бұрын
A weapon is as 'on board' as a secret, and it destroyed the weapon
@clankboss827
@clankboss827 6 жыл бұрын
what do you expecc from a small indie company
@jaeusa160
@jaeusa160 6 жыл бұрын
What the **** is this spaghetti code? And to clarify, I'm not just memeing for no reason. Why, unlike literally every other card, does the Voodoo Doll's debuff get remembered when a card is returned to hand? And also I realize Chameleos transforms but needs some indication that it is originally Chameleos... but why is it a major obstacle to program the copy to treat is as the right card type? I'm going to assume Chemeleos played as a Spell triggers "when something with a Spell" effects, so why is it still a "Minion" for some of these examples (like the Anduin one)? It's almost as if they don't have any core ruleset in place in the system, and they just program cards and interactions individually 1 at a time, and whatever happens happens.
@heyd5305
@heyd5305 6 жыл бұрын
Jaeus A a small indie compagnie btw
@Sparrow_Bloodhunter
@Sparrow_Bloodhunter 6 жыл бұрын
it's delicious spaget
@heyd5305
@heyd5305 6 жыл бұрын
Sparrow myeah but lasagna is butter
@Sparrow_Bloodhunter
@Sparrow_Bloodhunter 6 жыл бұрын
hey :D lasagna is basically spaghetti flavored cake.
@heyd5305
@heyd5305 6 жыл бұрын
i prefer croissant
@Nuthouse01
@Nuthouse01 6 жыл бұрын
I feel like you got these clips in the backwards order. When you're doing the shenanigans with the hero and the weapon, it seems like you already know that Voodoo doll works when you bounce and replay minions, and you're simply testing if the connection remains even when chameleos changes. And the bit with giving your hero the attack value is wierdness beyond even that.
@mattsmith457
@mattsmith457 6 жыл бұрын
0:03 when the light betrays you
@ihavenoideawhatimdoingwith5697
@ihavenoideawhatimdoingwith5697 6 жыл бұрын
After raza nerf, anduin has turned suicidal :’(
@riadhbouchahoua2434
@riadhbouchahoua2434 6 жыл бұрын
I have no idea what I’m doing with my life what was raza nerf?
@ihavenoideawhatimdoingwith5697
@ihavenoideawhatimdoingwith5697 6 жыл бұрын
Ryan. Bch 0 mana -> 1 mana
@clipdumpclip
@clipdumpclip 6 жыл бұрын
_goes out of season_
@TheLaxProject
@TheLaxProject 6 жыл бұрын
What if put back voodoo doll in your hand and select another enemy minion? first dies? second dies? or both dies?
@poke_champ
@poke_champ 6 жыл бұрын
good question. my guess would be only the newly selected minion dies
@partydrathi
@partydrathi 6 жыл бұрын
pretty sure second dies
@Cuestrupaster
@Cuestrupaster 6 жыл бұрын
Only the second, because the deathrattle is on vodoo...
@Basement-Science
@Basement-Science 6 жыл бұрын
Most likely just the second one. But does it kill the first target if it gets pulled from your hand or deck without the battlecry triggering?
@jhonnylee6685
@jhonnylee6685 6 жыл бұрын
it won't kill the first one when it got bounced back to hand or shuffeld into the deck since these actions work like a silence (unless hand or deck is full then it acts as a destroy) and for the first question it will kill the second selected minion blizzard learned a bit from the raptor sheganigans where a 3 drop summoned an army of completly random shit
@heimskr2732
@heimskr2732 6 жыл бұрын
I wonder, does the game still remember the card was targeted by voodoo doll if it is shuffled in deck?
@astrogod_
@astrogod_ 6 жыл бұрын
I dunno why but this is giving me flashbacks of learning linked lists
@sobanya_228
@sobanya_228 6 жыл бұрын
Should have used functional language. Much better and simpler linked lists.
@CaptainJellyBS
@CaptainJellyBS 6 жыл бұрын
Hoboy we have one of those Haskell monsters over here xD
@sobanya_228
@sobanya_228 6 жыл бұрын
What? No! I'm writing javascript.
@Niom_Music
@Niom_Music 6 жыл бұрын
Finally back to making well edited videos! Thank you!
@jrdneh
@jrdneh 6 жыл бұрын
What would happen if you voodoo doll a minion and put the voodoo doll back in your hand and play the voodoo doll on another minion? Would it kill both, or does the original minion lose the debuff?
@C1umsyJester
@C1umsyJester 6 жыл бұрын
It loses its original deathrattle
@chopcooey
@chopcooey 6 жыл бұрын
you forgot to check what happens if the chameleos turns into a shifting scroll, but on the next turn the opponent's hand is empty without giving it the time to transform once.
@o_krit
@o_krit 6 жыл бұрын
What will happen if we will sap the doll with a full hand? Will it kill a minion?
@GlodChip
@GlodChip 6 жыл бұрын
I would like to know if you, as priest, steal the new warlock debuff card (-2 attack until your next turn) and then play temporus, will the enemy minions really be debuffed for 2 turns or is there silly coding that just checks for an ended turn but not who's?
@LolHero877
@LolHero877 6 жыл бұрын
You should have tried the shifting scroll one with the oponents hand empty (without the glodshire footman turn)
@DTSREOK
@DTSREOK 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that was more interesting for me in that moment
@eozvarit5184
@eozvarit5184 6 жыл бұрын
It's obvious from recorded interaction, that it will become Chameleos. Looks like several developers where coding Chameleos. One, who made core card also did secrets and everything works. Somebody else was doing "basic" interactions and he was a lazy bum and coded everything very sloppily
@literallygod472
@literallygod472 6 жыл бұрын
Hey there, Toast! There are a couple interactions I experienced involving Tess Greymane you may be unaware of. 1. I faced a priest, and played a Psychic Scream during the game, along with many Diamond Spellstones. When I played Tess, it proceeded to Psychic Scream itself into his deck then resurrect a bunch of minions for him - the battlecry continued to play while it was in *his* deck. 2. I faced a warlock, and discovered Bloodreaver Gul'dan. I played it, then Tess later on, and it played all of the rogue cards I had played that game rather than the warlock ones. It may be obvious that it would work that way, but it surprised me at the time.
@draage2129
@draage2129 6 жыл бұрын
and saronite chain gang + voodoo dool + turn back the saronite to your hand and play it ?
@Estefunny5
@Estefunny5 6 жыл бұрын
It doens't look like Anduins Battlecry even resolve, when you played him he has already -1 health, which results in a death
@1vader
@1vader 6 жыл бұрын
Do you get permanent attack if you play a chameleos hero that retained attack from before?
@BubblesLeBard
@BubblesLeBard 6 жыл бұрын
When you tried to Voodoo Doll the Chameleos secret, it was on your turn, when secrets are deactivated. Thus, it technically isn't in play. Perhaps you should check on the enemy turn?
@zakr8318
@zakr8318 6 жыл бұрын
for the first interaction you should pay attention to the health after you play anduin (-1) and the fact that the messenger is a 6-2 (before playing anduin you were missing 3 health and 2-3=-1) you should have maybe healed yourself first and then played the anduin
@thehiddenninja3428
@thehiddenninja3428 6 жыл бұрын
And KinkyHS played a 6-2 Anduin DK while at full health, and he did not kill himself. I thought monkaS was smarter. (He is not Disguised Toast anymore. He is Disguised monkaS)
@Ex0rz
@Ex0rz 6 жыл бұрын
Wouldnt make a difference. Wasnt there this priest card that destroys a demon = you win game if warlock plays Jaraxxus and you play that card. So in the same sense Anduin remains a "minion" and kills all minions with 5 or more attack = still suicides.
@zakr8318
@zakr8318 6 жыл бұрын
Ex0rz actually there was a video with almost the same setup but anduin was at 30hp before the Death knight and he didnt die so...
@zakr8318
@zakr8318 6 жыл бұрын
Ex0rz @kinkyHS @thehidenninja :)
@rastkosehovic3294
@rastkosehovic3294 6 жыл бұрын
Ex0rz bare in mind it says, he has -1 health. If something is destroyed it has 0 health
@firestorm1658
@firestorm1658 6 жыл бұрын
Another weird interaction I've came across is the trigger sequence with voodoodoll and defile. Someone played violet wurm against me, I voodoodolled it, then played defile. My expactation was that the first defile trigger should kill voodoodoll, it deathrattle triggers, kills violet wurm, deathrattle triggers (fills board with 1/1 minions), defile triggers again and kills all 1/1 minions. Instead, defile triggered the second time before the deathrattles were triggered and my opponnent ended up with a full board.
@Giogiost1001
@Giogiost1001 6 жыл бұрын
Guess you could say the light betrayed him.
@Phenoman
@Phenoman 6 жыл бұрын
Wow, I imagine there is a great efford to make these, really love your work a this is why you're one of best in hearthstone community... Keep up man
@chioshi6485
@chioshi6485 6 жыл бұрын
*Drinking game* Take a shot every time he says: "Chameleos"
@alexchristie7497
@alexchristie7497 6 жыл бұрын
Toast, if your chameleos copy’s a corridor creeper and is then reduced by killing minions when it’s in your hand, the cost stays reduced after it transforms into a different minion the next turn.
@deepakpatidar8462
@deepakpatidar8462 6 жыл бұрын
And we thought that they fixed their spaghetti code last year with that 2gb update.
@guffels
@guffels 6 жыл бұрын
The doll interaction makes sense. It can only kill targetable board pieces as is the implementation to kill the named card but it can't kill it if the game doesn't say the card is targetable.
@ozzy1515
@ozzy1515 6 жыл бұрын
Silencing your minion that has voodoo doll works?
@ShubhThakkar
@ShubhThakkar 6 жыл бұрын
Why would you ever silence your own minion instead of just silencing the voodoo doll?
@CrazyCircles1
@CrazyCircles1 6 жыл бұрын
I love how the voodoo doll works and i hope they never change that. Punishing bad order is amazing in hearthstone and skill check cards like that - even though not that difficult and unique - are amazing.
@TaIathar
@TaIathar 6 жыл бұрын
voodoo doll and weasel interactions pls
@Cyraneth
@Cyraneth 6 жыл бұрын
Great commentary. I appreciate it. I noticed the Anduin was reduced to -1 by itself. Perhaps the voodoo doll works the same way, and the reason the secret was immune is that secrets don’t have health, unlike minions, weapons (in the form of durability), and heroes.
@erbizard878
@erbizard878 6 жыл бұрын
Vodoo dool + chameleos + the darkness
@alexroodman4318
@alexroodman4318 6 жыл бұрын
With the first interaction, the reason he actually died was that his base health was set to 2 instead of 30, and since he was already damaged, he died. Just before he dies, you can see his health go to 2 - 3 = -1.
@phenospark5688
@phenospark5688 6 жыл бұрын
Basically voodoo doll and chameleos are broken
@JoseSoulitario
@JoseSoulitario 6 жыл бұрын
So probably one way to fix if not a bug is (maybe) If voodoo doll regains the effect on it when the target is back on the field (the glowing lights that symbolize a debuff)
@rokaka1297
@rokaka1297 6 жыл бұрын
What if you Voodoo Doll a minion, then evolve it? Will it remember?
@TheValcyria
@TheValcyria 6 жыл бұрын
Jordyn Vu No, because it is another minion then.
@TheValcyria
@TheValcyria 6 жыл бұрын
Warre Plasmans But why would it get active? Its like respawning a cube, it will not spawn anything when getting destroyed.
@silvsilvsilv
@silvsilvsilv 6 жыл бұрын
For that last one: what happens when you play a different Loot Hoarder instead of the dolled one? Basically: does it just remember the name of the card, or the specific card?
@Kill0Zapper
@Kill0Zapper 6 жыл бұрын
A treat to see Toast stomp on Blizzards low budget cardgame.
@krzysztofpiasek5682
@krzysztofpiasek5682 6 жыл бұрын
Those... those are just card interactions you imbecile.
@Kill0Zapper
@Kill0Zapper 6 жыл бұрын
Krzysztof Piasek Never said anything else now did I? Manners young boy, it will benefit you in life.
@bjarkecarlsen6619
@bjarkecarlsen6619 6 жыл бұрын
You tried Doll inactive secret your turn, try Doll active secret opponents turn. It could make a difference. Maybe doll doesn't read the secret name so it can't know its actually Chameleos, but that shouldn't be a problem with quests.
@quento177
@quento177 6 жыл бұрын
Toast, did you finally bust out of Blizzard jail?
@GiegueX
@GiegueX 6 жыл бұрын
dont worry, he and shudderwock will go back there
@arseneysorokin5004
@arseneysorokin5004 6 жыл бұрын
Anduin did not kill itself because of the battle-cry. If you look closely you can see his health being -1. This is because he gained the new swift messenger health (2)and he started with 3 damage on him.
@ninoflores
@ninoflores 6 жыл бұрын
4 Days too late Toast.
@carlob2409
@carlob2409 6 жыл бұрын
Nalgada
@juvygenius
@juvygenius 6 жыл бұрын
If I have to give a guess, it is most likely that they attach the card id to voodoo doll. So long as Voodoo Doll is alive on field, it will retain that ID until it dies. If there is a matching ID on the field, the effect takes place.
@ridersbrothers9680
@ridersbrothers9680 6 жыл бұрын
I don’t understand why he had 6 attack
@frostmourne1986
@frostmourne1986 6 жыл бұрын
Spaghetti code.
@Slash-XVI
@Slash-XVI 6 жыл бұрын
my guess is that the stat swap mechanic overwrites the cards current stats and when the information on the deathknight card is received it will only write the information that is actually available to the current card, leaving the previously changed values there (probably does not happen with all cards because usually this uses a reference). Though I do not know enough about hearthstone's code to say if this is at all accurate.
@Paragon_CS
@Paragon_CS 6 жыл бұрын
Riders Brothers 0:50
@CorvintusDK
@CorvintusDK 6 жыл бұрын
Both cards change at the same time. One tells it to swap stats, the other tells it to make a new card. New card has no attack stats, so spaghetti code.
@FlandrionScarlet
@FlandrionScarlet 6 жыл бұрын
in the case with minions that swap attack and health next minion will have changed stats
@peterklansen9502
@peterklansen9502 6 жыл бұрын
More interactions wich i would find to be interisting: Does a revived vodoo doll remember its target if it didnt trigger (doll->brewmaster->kill->n'zoth->replay the target->kill) and does a psychic screamed vodoo doll remember its target? Edit: Can a Vodoo Doll kill a target twice? (doll->trigger doll deathrattle with hunter stuff->revive the killed minion->trigger doll deathrattle again) + how does it interract with dormant minions(Chameleos+Darkness or the rougue legendary)?
@arsipantsu
@arsipantsu 6 жыл бұрын
Doing the lords work
@lukiopool7120
@lukiopool7120 6 жыл бұрын
ok junkrat
@samhell3524
@samhell3524 6 жыл бұрын
Also if you voodoo doll kills your minion with umbra activating the deathrattle, if you silence it afterwards your minion cannot be rezzed, ie: spellstones and eternal servitude Priest spells
@FenekMT
@FenekMT 6 жыл бұрын
1:50 Wtf? You said it kills itself, cause it is technicaly counting like a minion, but look at the hp... -1... So it is 6/2 anduin with starting 30 hp, but when it is demaged on 27 hp it kill itself... That is the reason why it has -1 hp after dead :)
@weirdyoda04
@weirdyoda04 6 жыл бұрын
Toast interaction videos are always my favorite part about new expansions.
@naruto1coolestfan
@naruto1coolestfan 6 жыл бұрын
voodoo doll op
@AnimeVampire234
@AnimeVampire234 6 жыл бұрын
that last interaction is actually an interesting effect. stops ppl from replaying a card, say... your rogue and you voodoo doll their... idk their lichking and then sap it. they have to kill the doll before they replay their LK lol
@pinuz4247
@pinuz4247 6 жыл бұрын
Small indie company
@chanman1239
@chanman1239 6 жыл бұрын
The destroy effect is probably stored in the doll, and only activates when the target is in the battlefield, and I guess heroes and equipped weapons are technically in the battlefield then.
@GAMERZ92
@GAMERZ92 6 жыл бұрын
hotfixed
@rlones123
@rlones123 6 жыл бұрын
I think the deal with chameleos is there are cards that kill hero’s ie: jaraxxus and there are cards that kill minions ie: assassinate and there are cards that kill weapons ie: oozes. On the other hand there are no cards that destroy cards in the opponents hand, quests, or one specific secret, only groups of them.
@WhoppercoinBillionaire
@WhoppercoinBillionaire 6 жыл бұрын
Fun fact, if you play a different class hero card in tempo thief rogue, then play Tess greymane, it summons all the rogue spells and cards you played!
@TheRandomYoYo
@TheRandomYoYo 6 жыл бұрын
I am pretty sure secret would be killed as well. But it has to be active as in the opponents turn. It makes sense that the code has an active or inactive state for the cards. If it s in hand it s inactive. Your secret on your turn is inactive as well.
@julmustftw
@julmustftw 6 жыл бұрын
It might work with secrets too but only on your opponents turn, secrets are "Not active" on your own turn
@mhkamath
@mhkamath 6 жыл бұрын
Can/did you think about going back to check the Quest interaction again? Quests are slightly different from Secrets because we can actually see them on the board when hovered instead of being hidden behind the "?" so maybe it will fulfill the "needing Chameleos to be seen" part of the interaction possibly?
@tally6387
@tally6387 6 жыл бұрын
Not sure if anyone tried it out yet, but the Murloc Shaman Quest does not work with Genn Greymane. Which is weird because the Murkspark Eel can deal 2 damage but Genn won't trigger his ability. They both have the same wording "If your deck has only even-cost cards...", but I'm pretty sure Genn is supposed to read decks like how Reno Jackson and Kazakus does.
@tally6387
@tally6387 6 жыл бұрын
Nvm, I think it is intentional because the ability is Start of the Game and not Battlecry.
@koreaismacity5725
@koreaismacity5725 6 жыл бұрын
I think the first interaction happens because the game assumes that your hero as a max of 2 health and you took 3 damage. After you play the dathknight your health goes down to -1.
@LaZodiac
@LaZodiac 6 жыл бұрын
Something you should of tried. If the enemy has a shifting scroll and only that in their hand, what does a Chameleo, who is currently a Shifting Scroll, turn into? Does he become a different mage spell, the same mage spell, or does he just stay as Shifting Scroll since that's the actual card in their hand?
@bekab736
@bekab736 6 жыл бұрын
That doll with chameleos-secret interaction, what happens if you kill the doll when secret is active during your opponents turn. You tried it on your turn, so secret wasn't active
@dantetheblizzard
@dantetheblizzard 6 жыл бұрын
The way the voodoo doll kills things is that marks a card as the target, then to kill it sets the health (or durability, in the case of weapons) of the "minion" to -1. If it doesn't have health (spells / quests), it can't set to -1 to kill it.
@thePhantomStalker
@thePhantomStalker 6 жыл бұрын
Another interaction I was wondering about when you played with the Chameleos and shifting scroll is when your opponent keeps shifting scroll in the hand. Does Chameleos change into the same spell that their shifting changed into or does your Chameleos change into a random spell. I guess, since it reverted back to Chameleos after you emptied your hand, he would just copy the same spell as their shifting scroll changed into, pretty much ignoring the whole effect of shitfing scroll.
@claydawg003
@claydawg003 6 жыл бұрын
I think the secret one might be worth revisiting since you killed it on your turn when the secret isn't 'active'
@zippo718
@zippo718 6 жыл бұрын
Makes sense, minions and weapons can be killed/destroyed, have deathrattles, etc. Secrets have to be specifically removed.
@Helper613
@Helper613 6 жыл бұрын
What were to happen if P1 uses voodoo doll on P2 minion and then P2 returns that voodoo’d Minoan back to hand and then P1 has a chameleos which turns into that voodoo’d minion. Now would that chameleos turn into a debuffed minion or normal minion?
@omerchn
@omerchn 6 жыл бұрын
Please keep up this kind of videos!! Its awesome
@ryanliu8208
@ryanliu8208 6 жыл бұрын
the reason for dying is not DK, he already lost 3 HP before DK, and the minion has 2 HP total, thats why he has -1 HP after DK and died.
@dmarsub
@dmarsub 6 жыл бұрын
Final question: What if you put the vododoll back in hand and play it without a target, does it retain the old target? Or with a new target, does it kill both?
@abdulmasaiev9024
@abdulmasaiev9024 6 жыл бұрын
There's one more test you could do. If you play an echo card, doll it up, return it, and then play it multiple times. Will the doll kill the first one you play, or all of them?
@wrduardo1
@wrduardo1 6 жыл бұрын
You need to redo the scroll one. Chameleos took priority over scroll when there was still something for chameleos to become, but would have been interesting to see chameleos -> scroll -> opponent empties hand. In that situation, would it go back to being chameleos because there was no hand, or would the scroll effect happen?
@InsertCreative
@InsertCreative 6 жыл бұрын
Here's my question. Chameleos changes to shifting scroll. Opponent plays all cards in their hand. Does it go back to Chameleos or a random spell? The test was slightly different, as it was no longer a shifting scroll at that point. Wondering if that changes anything
@samiamrg7
@samiamrg7 6 жыл бұрын
I wonder how Voodoo doll interacts with Jaraxxus. Like if you get Jaraxxus onto the field with something like Skull of the Man’ari, boodoo doll it, return it to your hand, and then play Jaraxxus, and then kill the voodoo doll.
@sidazhou
@sidazhou 6 жыл бұрын
Toast is so good that he predicts all the moves his enemy is making
@Panthror
@Panthror 6 жыл бұрын
With no. 5 I feel you should've played the footman, to see if the Chameleos (turned scroll) turns into the same card as the scroll of your opponent.
@stressballer
@stressballer 6 жыл бұрын
You should try voodoo doll on more than one target (bounce it), and also retry the doll on a secret, and wait to kill the voodoo doll until it is "it's# turn, as the secret is not ACTIVE when you kill the doll on the same turn as the owner of the secret.
@valky994
@valky994 6 жыл бұрын
toast, here is another interaction for you to try, play a doomguard, voodoo doll it, cube the doomguard and then do the following, A)kill voodoo doll when doomguard is in cube (will the doomgaurd/s die when summoned by cube deathrattle) B) kill cube first and then see if both doomguards that are summoned by cube die when doll dies
@stirwen007
@stirwen007 6 жыл бұрын
You forgot to try something : Choose a minion with the vodoo, silence the vodoo,Kill the vodoo, ressurect the voodoo, get your minion in your hand before and replay it, then Kill the vodoo
@TheAaaargh
@TheAaaargh 6 жыл бұрын
3:22 what if you chamelous DK, get frozen, and hit with Ice Breaker? Do you get instantly killed because you count as a minion (see Anduin interaction) or do you not count as a minion still (meaning Anduin is texted wrong in chamelous interaction). If you do get destroyed, does it also work with Jarraxus?
@ThunderChanter
@ThunderChanter 6 жыл бұрын
Looks like for the doll to work, whatever its targeted has to be out of hand, with secrets not being impacted because on your turn they're "inactive" a test to do would be to play a secret, and have your opponent kill the doll themselves to see if the "active" secret gets destroyed
@FlandrionScarlet
@FlandrionScarlet 6 жыл бұрын
no, the secret itself and 'secret spell' are just not the same thing
@arrowghost
@arrowghost 6 жыл бұрын
Very nice, you got Blizz's attention in a good way. Thumbs up for the hotfix!
@ladislastrebeth7496
@ladislastrebeth7496 6 жыл бұрын
For the secret interaction, u shuold try during the vodoo dol turn, the secret should be activate and considered "on the board"
@datavortex
@datavortex 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks, as always, for the science. These are your best videos, even though the others are all very good.
@Reac2
@Reac2 6 жыл бұрын
I dont know if you tried ,but quest might be possible to kill. The secrect might not have been destroyed because the voodoo doll checked for Chameleos aka Frozen Clone ,but couldnt find it on the board (because secrets have another ID when in play then when in hand ,so no 3rd programm could read the secrets ID to reveal it * anti cheat *) but the quest is always revealed ,so it might retain the ID and can be found by the voodoo doll ?
@laugh8574
@laugh8574 6 жыл бұрын
Another variant of the shifting scroll test would be if shifting scroll is the only card in hand. Would it copy the same spell that the original scroll became?
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