7 Games That - We’re Calling It - Are Now in Development Hell

These games got announced AGES ago, but there's no solid release date in sight... oh no.
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[@eternalfailure4081]

"Nothing gets me hyped like high profile departures" said Andy, as Luke has departed

[@RedBairnMedia]

... Too soon

[@aerthreepwood8021]

​@@SimuLordWith Jane whispering "memento mori" in his ear.

[@dermade83]

​​@@SimuLord ? It already happened. Almost 3 years ago. May 12th 2021.

[@dermade83]

@SimuLord links tend to get filtered, but look for "Mario Party Online! AVOID RAGE DELETING THE CHANNEL CHALLENGE!"

[@dermade83]

​@SimuLord I knew links tend to get filtered, but it even filtered the title just now. Look for "avoid rage deleting challenge".

[@DeadmanHopping]

Sorry, this comment was supposed to be posted on the ‘unkillable bosses’ video, but it got stuck in posting hell.

[@danteshollowedgrounds]

Noice.

[@Vojira]

Take the like, you made me laugh.

[@custos3249]

Sounds like a case of commenstipation.

[@m15t3r_n8]

​@@custos3249😂😂😂😂😂

[@pandafox94]

Bunch of smooth brains

[@TMAC_burninator]

Andy: "...high profile departures" Everyone: "Luke"

[@TheFallingFlamingo]

too soon 😭

[@pink_phoenix]

Luke left???

[@Alsebra]

​@@pink_phoenix, he mentioned approximately a week or two ago that he was leaving the channel (for the foreseeable, at least) to focus on other ventures. He'll still appear in some videos (as they've been filmed but not released) and he's still part of Oxventure (until the end of this season...which is the final season anyway).

[@splattygaming1615]

​@@Alsebra The final season for those specific characters. Just saying it's the final season makes it seem like there will be no more Oxventure content, which it has been said that it isn't.

[@Alsebra]

@@splattygaming1615, thank you for that clarification. I've not watched any of the TTRPGs they've done, but I've definitely seen the "Oxventure Final Season" graphic and thought that it was running up against their other ventures (perhaps it was cutting into channel filming).

[@Tswizzle266]

Surprised Dreadwolf isn't on here. Nobody in the fandom actually believes Bioware when they say "this summer"

[@CassandraY]

I was shocked when I saw that announcement after the departures of nearly everyone who mattered and the never ending news of how terrible Bioware is the their teams. If it does come out on time, I know it's not going to be good.

[@healsallwounds]

I think when summer hits and there’s still nothing beyond a trailer announcing that Solas is the Dread Wolf, then we can truly say it’s lost in development hell.

[@CassandraY]

@@healsallwounds I'd prefer it be lost in DH than have them release a pile of sh*t (A la Bethesda) and try to gaslight us into liking it

[@carolstedry4737]

I will believe it when I have the dusc in my hand

[@FlyingFocs]

I'm just now hearing it, and I don't believe it.

[@jacobmartens3810]

The most baffling thing about the pig snorting a wasp was how LONG it was. Were we supposed to be on the edges of our seats wondering what the outcome would be?

[@eldritchbidoof]

seriously lmfao, it actually made me super uncomfortable, I was like "umm.....what is he trying to....is he-- ?? oh, okay.......cool I guess....???"

[@Herowebcomics]

I was wondering if he was gonna get stung in his sinuses.🫤

[@forbiddenwar45]

This is the fourth time i realized that bloodlines 2 actually isn't out yet and i was confusing it with another vampire game.

[@greenhowie]

Goes to show, sometimes a copy will become more successful just because it exists. Unless it's Redfall, obviously.

[@BriarPatchNyra]

What games were you thinking of? I could use a good vampire game

[@derrickhaggard]

Bloodlines 2 is coming out this fall and we've seen gameplay updates for it.

[@pastaman68]

@@BriarPatchNyra not sure what the original commenter was thinking of, but i quite liked Vampyr if you haven't tried that one :-)

[@narniaphuket]

I think they got hit with the Blackrock curse and couldn't make the changes they wanted to make it a viable product

[@modelmajorpita]

Shout out to Peter Molyneux's Godus, which was announced over a decade ago when people solved his "curiosity cube" puzzle, spent years in early access, had a spinoff "Godus Wars" released in early access while the original was still unfinished, and then both Godus and Godus Wars ended up finally being pulled from the steam store when Molyneux decided to create blockchain games instead of finish them.

[@chrismanuel9768]

Molyneux... the original Todd Howard

[@smallbluemachine]

I checked in on this project a couple of weeks ago. Godus is still receiving updates. It’s just no one’s covering it.

[@aerthreepwood8021]

​@@chrismanuel9768The difference is that I think Molyneux actually believes what he says.

[@ShadowDrakken]

technically, Godus was released. It was just absolute garbage and kept getting worse.

[@modelmajorpita]

@@ShadowDrakken It was released in early access, just like star citizen.

[@carlsiouxfalls]

I hate how announcement trailers have become "staffing trailers" and result in years and years of waiting while a team is built to build a game.

[@teafling]

Not Silksong, not Silksong, not Silksong 🤞 EDIT: goddamn it

[@CoyotesOwn]

Silksong has gotten ERBS rating so something is happing.

[@sgtpastry]

I was 100% expecting Silksong and I was not disappointed.

[@Hahvayz]

one of the devs said a few months ago it is still being worked on, so I definitely think something is happening with it.

[@RiderOfKarma]

That was me but BG&E2 [hugs]

[@lennywright5655]

@@RiderOfKarma don’t tangle SilkSong into your vaporware hell 😭

[@Joe90h]

It's worth noting, regarding Beyond Good And Evil 2 getting greenlit for a sequel... The series was Michel Ancel's passion project, and he was the one constantly pushing for more of it to be made. And he no longer works for Ubisoft, on account of suddenly and immediately retiring from the industry mere days before an article released pointing out how he had been an abusive, hard to work for tyrant in his studio. This was off the back of many noteable 'incidents' regarding Ubisoft management being brought to public attention, going right up to the top. This all happened nearly 4 years ago.

[@kryw10]

That’s so unfortunate. But I get why it would back burner the project. 😢

[@OneWingedRose]

As much as I love Beyond Good and Evil, a sequel never getting made is a blessing to me. Because A) it would mean more money going into the hands of people who shielded literal rapists from the law. and B) Ubisoft's games have long since become uninspired copy-paste affairs that I'm not interested in.

[@Joe90h]

@@OneWingedRose I've spoken to some people who worked for a support studio of theirs over in France and for many working in Ubisoft it's basically the equivalent of working in McDonalds until a restaurant starts hiring instead, or you get together to open a restaurant of your own. It's valuable experience in game development, but very few are seeing it as their end goal. I feel like that's becoming the norm with the AAA games industry eating itself alive having to push more and more monetisation to justify weirdly specific tech advances none of us asked for, hiring Hollyood voice actors and complaining how expensive games are to make and not realising that's their problem, not ours.

[@OneWingedRose]

@@Joe90h Interesting insight, thanks for sharing it! My heart goes out to developers trying to make good big games, tough career path.

[@smallbluemachine]

All the greats abuse their staff. Miyamoto gave the wind waker devs an absolute bollicking after a bug during a press demo. No guts, no glory.

[@karichhoy]

All aboard Andy's little hype train, "Toot toot."

[@kytamura]

Is that what he calls it?

[@victoralexandervinkenes9193]

Toot toot 🥲

[@MrFutago87]

And now I just remembered Pragmata exists, and Dragon Age: Dreadwolf, and Prince Of Persia Sand Of Time Remake, and Lost Soul Aside.

[@healsallwounds]

BioWare has said more info on DA: Dreadwolf is coming this summer, but that could just be an empty promise.

[@gundamheavyarms4879]

Good news on Dragon Age Dreadwolf, it's been announced we're getting a massive update during the summer. Presumably during Summer Games Fest. Hopefully this'll also include a release date!

[@Ilikecatsismychannelname]

I have weirdly fond memories of watching my then room-mate play the original Prince of Persia Sands of Time and getting stuck in one spot for several days because Farah kept jumping into a spike pit. Knowing the tendency of remakes to fix things like janky companion AI I think I'd just as soon keep re-playing the OG since I still have a working PS2 than buy a remake anyways. Is Farah's AI frustrating in the OG? Yes. Is it also hilarious? Hells yes!

[@PeterDahu]

PoP remake is probably canceled after the lost crown.

[@dapperfan44]

I wishlisted Pragmata on PS5 so I wouldn't forget it.

[@kayleyanna3164]

some of these don't feel like they were announced that long ago, but then I have to remind myself that when these were announced I was a child/teenage and am now a full adult lol

[@chrismanuel9768]

Plus COVID was FOUR YEARS AGO but time seems to have stopped moving since then

[@SebastianVanWoerkom]

​@@chrismanuel9768 I don't care what the calendar says, today is the 1522nd of March 2020. I cannot be convinced otherwise.

[@polkarrty]

me foolishly:YES I SWEAR SILKSONG WILL EXIST EVENTUALLY WELL GET A RELEASE DATE SOON

[@Zorban90]

Silksong soon right? RIGHT???

[@stevenn1940]

It's been in development for 6 or less (depending on free update and development) years... most games nowadays are in development for 6-9 years. So.. legitimately, it's within a perfectly normal amount of time. Same thing with metroid prime 4. You *rarely* hear about games announced the moment development starts. Most are announced no earlier than 3 or 4 years into development

[@Fr4friends]

@@stevenn1940 youre coping

[@chrismanuel9768]

​@@stevenn1940It's been in development since they released the first one, let's be honest. They announced it almost 7 years ago and it was meant to come out over a year ago.

[@octochan]

I expect Team Cherry to just shadow drop the finished game out of nowhere and sit back and watch the entire gaming community lose its collective sh*t

[@no_genius]

Luke was meant to be in this video but it got stuck in script rewrites hell, it was originally “7 Games with definite release dates that we’re really excited about, 2020 edition”

[@Bloodglas]

"I'll believe it when I see it for sale" is the best way to deal with this stuff, and remember to follow that up with "don't pre-order".

[@sindrisuncatcher653]

I didn't fully learn my lesson about never pre-ordering anything until 2077. 'It's CD Prokjekt Red' I thought, like a fool, 'how could they screw this up?' If Star Citizen ever does release I already have a copy tho.

[@megamandrn001]

If a game is announced and has nothing to show with the announcement, and the first time you see anything else regarding that title is some sort of "we're working hard on this title!" montage in like a State of Play or something where it shows people at their desks working on 3D models, that game is either never coming out or will be garbage when it does. If a game is going well and coming together you have no problem cutting together 30 seconds of footage of cool things you can do in it.

[@DirgeTV]

Just saying: The last three games I pre-ordered all exist, I've got them sitting right on my desk as I type this (Mostly because finally, I have a nice shelf to put them on instead of them having to sit in the same dusty tupperware bin I've had since I moved). I'd more advise to wait until you see actual signs that a game is coming out before you drop the hammer on that, tends to work out better that way then just going ape and "Instant buy" just because a flashy trailer with zero gameplay showed up.

[@enviritas9498]

On top of not pre-ordering, don't buy games on day one. Wait for -guinea pig- player feedback to start coming in first to see if it's actually functional.

[@rhiwright]

I learned about not preordering the hard way. Preordered Bloodlines 2, cancelled the preorder a few years ago. Even Paradox can't be trusted about preordering

[@MightyMurloc]

I'm positive that one of the biggest poisons for any creative project is announcing it to the world too soon.

[@stevenn1940]

You're right, but I would argue 2 of these are different than the others. Namely silksong and prime 4. All the others had a decent amount of development behind them when they were announced. Those two, they were effectively announced *when development started*, and both have 5 years of development. Modern games frequently and typicallt take 5-9 years to develop; so we're only now entering the window of when we'd expect to see an initial announcement.

[@FUNBadTime]

​@@SimuLord The Elder Scrolls 6

[@626F62]

im sure its a fine line for them though. you need hype behind your game so that it sells big at launch. Also i am sure the bigger problem might be other big companies getting involved.. MGS 5 would have been way better if the ground zeros was built in, but the new gen coming out they wanted to show off a big title.. NMS had a small passionate development team, who made good (and exceeded their promises) and i cant help but feel they were pushed infront of cameras by sony to hype it all up and then pushed to release the product early. I wouldn't be surprised if some on this list released their trailer and there was some exec at a big corp made a randomly high number they wanted reaction feedback to reach, and because it didnt reach it then development was taken away

[@Galliao]

Oh hey, I remember all these! I'm so excited fo- right.. the title. Now I'm sad.

[@SirTraleen]

Wait, “Trapped in an eternally underdeveloped state”? Guys, I think I might be in development hell…

[@patrickills22]

One month ago. Oh that’s funny. PD was just shown today

[@chefrowlet]

grim as it's looking, hearing that the KotOR remake was taken away from Aspyr like a cookie being taken away from a child that didn't finish their homework is such a relief in the wake of the Battlefront bundle debacle. Seeing Embracer set a studio and IP free instead of just throwing it into the meat grinder with the rest is a surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one. That was the game that taught me to love video games as a medium, as a story-telling machine. I so desperately hope the remake comes out, and sticks the landing. Edit: oh jeez VtMB2....... that first trailer hyped me up so much I nearly pre-ordered on the spot. Glad I didn't. The recent gameplay reveal was so discouraging, and the dislike ratio speaks for itself. A friend of mine recently streamed her first playthrough of the OG and it really just hit a certain kind of way how special that game was, despite the early-2000s jank and rushed ending.

[@Deliveredmean42]

The fact Aspyr was given the IP at all was pretty weird, given that most of their games they publish were indie or low tier AA at best. And Battlefront wasn't their first star wars debacle, since I guess folks easily forgot the broken promise with the Kotor 2 port.

[@TheMANGADUDE2]

Wait there's was a new VtMB 2 trailer? And it was bad looking? fuuuuuuuuck

[@FlyingFocs]

Honestly, the original game means so much to me, I... Don't want a remake. At a point, I just want the original to stand as it does. But, you know, fixed to run on modern systems with maybe a few quality of life improvements.

[@Deliveredmean42]

@@FlyingFocs So a proper remaster should be done. The same game just with fixes, some varying degree of visual enhancement and added quality of life features. Something that Aspyr is not qualities for most of the time, so a different studio that had done good remasters like Nightdive studio.

[@TheMANGADUDE2]

@@FlyingFocs Honestly, that's what I'd love too

[@EnergeticBasilisk]

Dragon Age: Dreadwolf definitely also belongs on this list! it’s been almost a decade now since the last game came out, and all we’ve had since are teaser trailers /for/ teaser trailers (there’ll be a new teaser trailer coming out in summer of 2025 but that’s all we know!) and news of high profile leadership leaving or being let go from the project. Even the trailers that have come out have been incredibly short and shown concept art rather than any gameplay or even anything cinematic. By contrast, the first 3 games came out in 2009, 2011, and 2014 in quick succession (albeit with lots of crunch).

[@markkubiak]

Trailer is coming summer 2024

[@gaildahlas]

Mark Darrah (Inquisition's executive producer, and a consultant on Dreadwolf) has a youtube channel where he talks about nonspecific game development/studio management, and his occasional mentions of the project are one of the few things that still give me hope for it

[@GigaChadDuPlessis]

Covid happened and bioware put most projects on temporary hiatus. Mass effect 4 got the same treatment. Dreadwolf is set to release soon now tho and that means mass effect 4 will probably release by 2026

[@EnergeticBasilisk]

Oops, more the fool me, this comment aged badly

[@Llortnerof]

@@EnergeticBasilisk Nah, Dreadwolf will never come out now. Technically.

[@Truestoryguy]

"You've slept since then, right?" "What's that, talking bottle of Prime?" *Off-screen snicker* 🤣

[@Sir_Him]

The saddest thing about BGaE2, is that the more I hear about it, the less it sounds like any kind of game I want to play.

[@chrismanuel9768]

The guy that was in charge was violent and abusive, and it was his personal pet project. He left the industry in shame and there's been no updates on the game since then. Safe to say the game is unofficially canceled because of the stain he left on it.

[@kendoyle]

Appearing in Oxtra videos has got Andy doing art. The assimilation continues.

[@Houldey]

He should just buy a Pup t-shirt and cosplay as luke til they get a new person. Lower third 'Luke' and all.

[@abydosianchulac2]

​@@HouldeyWe'll get him some stilts

[@wertyppl]

He's a normal adult man!

[@Stephen-Fox]

He'll evolve into being an Normal Adult Man who does Normal Adult Things eventually...

[@Michael_Lindell]

This video brought to you by Development Hellen!

[@chrismanuel9768]

Boooooooooooo (I mean I laughed, but I can't in good conscience allow that to go... unpunished)

[@Artaxo]

I got kidney stones from this

[@arenasviscatanius]

​@@Artaxopeople keep them after operations . Like teeth and hair. I forgot the old rain why

[@ChA0s_AgeNt]

*Koff* ...could ya spare an 8ball, pillow-mane?

[@Accrovideogames]

I'm not worried about Metroid Prime 4. Pikmin 4 was announced with no trailer and went silent for many years before it got a surprise trailer and a close release date. I actually expect MP4 to be a launch title for the Switch 2.

[@BigBossZUCO]

Yep. Nintendo always pulls it off.

[@SirBlackReeds]

@@BigBossZUCO Except Devil's Third.

[@jammin2575]

Yep considering they restarted development with the OG studio means that it went back to 0 So not sure why people are surprised it’s still being developed. Switch Two (Too) would be the perfect way to announce it during the presentation for the console, not sure if would be a launch title or a big release before Christmas 2025? The Switch 2 will be out for March next year either with a new Mario Kart or Mario 3d game (Mario Odyssey 2? Please Nintendo) I think and Metroid Prime 4 would be a big title for the holidays.

[@axelkusanagi4139]

Rather they do it right than do it for $$$

[@Haru-spicy]

silksong is probably the most likely of all of them to actually come out, but it's weird that it would take them so long to produce a sequel in the same engine. Usually that's a smoother process.

[@Maxbeedo2]

10:05 "With your rekindled love of the genre and chatting up your party members now would be the perfect time you might think to revisit revered Bioware RPG..." He's gonna say Dragon Age right? RIGHT?! Oh...

[@CaitlinRC]

Going by previous development cycles, I'm expecting Persona 6 in 2067. At which point, Silksong will still be in development.

[@Ice-Climber]

Considering it was never announced, I don't know why you're bringing it up.

[@chrismanuel9768]

​@@Ice-ClimberReading comprehension is hard, huh? Let me help. See how it starts with "going by previous development cycles"? That indicates that the following statement will be made with previous development cycles in mind. "Sequel will be out in 13 years". The joke here is that there's a long window between sequels in this franchise. Did you get that? I know it can be complicated, there were two parts to it after all. Let me recap. The first part of the statement modified the second part. The phrase "going by previous development cycles" means the second part of the statement is based on the premise of that first part. Does that make sense to you? Do you get it? I hope I can help you to understand the most basic English. Feel free to be confused by simple concepts in the future, people love to take time explaining things to people like you.

[@Dustin_Frost]

I played Hollow Knight for the first time a few years ago. I swear I thought Silk Song was a real game because everyone was talking about it.

[@CaitlinRC]

@@chrismanuel9768 you are my new favourite person

[@Ice-Climber]

@@chrismanuel9768 No need for that kind of defensiveness. You talk about cycles but you are really just pulling it from nowhere. Also not the point of the video left that comment on. You're not that smart.

[@valoraknightingale9906]

You forgot to mention that Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines 2 has not only changed hands but The Chinese Room have apparently completely changed the narrative and direction of the game. What would have originally been a proper sequel to VtMB with a fish out of water newly turned vampire has now been morphed into the vampire equivalent of the Sole Survivor from Fallout 4. Now instead of being an underpowered newbie who has to learn all about the Masquerade you're instead a super powerful antidiluvian, complete with wish fulfillment powers too. They've been quoted saying things along the lines of wanting the game to feel like a superhero game with the level of power fantasy that goes with that. Personally as someone who was a fan of VtMB I don't have high hopes for the game even if it does come out. Not only do I think The Chinese Room are out of their depth making something with actual combat, but I also don't agree with the direction they're taking the game. Vampire the Masquerade isn't fucking Blade. You're not supposed to be some super badass capable of easily killing everyone you come across. The whole point of VtM is that even when you die shit stays the same, more or less and that the true struggle is to keep a hold of your humanity before that light gets snuffed out by The Beast entirely.

[@4wolvenpeople]

Even the board game of vampire masqurade came out before the video game.

[@Nikelaos_Khristianos]

Bloodlines 2 was meant to help celebrate the launch of VtM: V5… the fifth edition of the TTRPG. It’s a bit late.

[@joshbone9888]

I was half expecting someone to question andys drawing and he has to say he is a normal adult man

[@TrickyTalon23]

Hope to see The Wolf Among Us Season 2 here! I know it’s not very hype but I still really want it!

[@lumpyduckling3522]

There is a rights dispute between the creator and the publisher which is probably why it is taking so long

[@alejandrocoy5405]

Haha amongus

[@skyethenerd1054]

AMONGUS?????????

[@TrickyTalon23]

@@skyethenerd1054 not that game

[@petesmart1983]

Since telltale collapsed and the new rebooted version they let so many people go and only helped deck 9 release the expanse. I don't think it's coming out

[@doom4067]

The devs probably ARE busy; just not busy making the games we want.

[@ndh06]

It's usually a case of director mismanagement or devs having no pressure from above to get the product out. Sometimes, it's not enough money, and the devs have to put the product on the back burner so they can make money helping other studios. So yeah, you are right, and I'll shut up

[@Hrafnskald]

Dragon Age Dreadwolf has entered the chat :)

[@SolaScientia]

Oh dang, I forgot about that one, but I'm also not a Dragon Age fan. I like some of the music, but I couldn't get into the games. That said, I have some friends who are really into them, so I end up hearing Dragon Age news from them. I hadn't realized it's been a while since we've had any news about Dreadwolf.

[@chrismanuel9768]

​@@SolaScientiaTo be fair, they made a whole trilogy and yet none of the games are even the same actual genre, just loosely related. Hard to get into a franchise that skips around the way it does

[@SolaScientia]

@@chrismanuel9768 I tried Origins some years ago and it just didn't gel with me. I didn't have much interest to try the others. I bounced off Mass Effect much the same way. I think Bioware games just aren't for me.

[@noratrevalyn5582]

That one Bioware had to get EA out of their ass. Took Anthem and Andromeda for EA to finally allow them to be the single player game studio they are. So I feel like it'll be good when it does come out.

[@markdowling9020]

Typing this from my hoverchair in the year 2034, where the iPhone XXV predictive texts glitch and send messages 10 years into the past instead. There's big talk that the next indie showcase could feature a new trailer for Silksong...

[@zigazav1]

What I'm waiting for to release is Deltarune chapters 3 and 4. Chapter 5 is taking Toby so long to develop, that once both chapters 3 and 4 are complete, he'll release them, rather than previously his words were we would have to wait for chapter 5 to be complete before we could play chapters 3, 4, and 5. Last I heard "long ago", chapter 3 is confirmed to be finished, we just need to wait till 4 is finished. However long that will take, as we don't have a confirmed release date of chapters 3 and 4. That scene at the end of chapter 2 left many people to theorize, as people do whenever Toby releases ANY content of any kind, even if it's not related to Deltarune nor Undertale

[@callanmaart]

Ahh Bloodlines 2.. I was 5mins away from dropping a pre-order on it back in 2019 when the voices said, "hey, wait for it to release proper".. then the world flipped upside down and their studio exploded and here we are in 2024+ still no Bloodlines 2...

[@connorburton1009]

The state bloodlines 2's recent updates have been, it can stay in development hell for all I care.

[@fableagain]

"...it remains as unfinished as this sentence I'm currently-" literally made me choke on my spit

[@RiaGracewood]

As a retail worker, if I hear another person say 'prime' then there may be an incident.

[@katfromthekong414]

"You know what can't be stopped by a roadblock? My hype-train! Toot toot." 😂

[@VelvetTeacake]

Bloodlines 2 is still so heartbreaking

[@chrismanuel9768]

It's coming. About six more months. Trust.

[@GigaChadDuPlessis]

Its coming out soon

[@PinkTuskedMammoth]

Star Citizen is never going to go full release, I think its more likely that it will just remain in development as they just constantly chase a ever extending finish line

[@gilless429]

And an ever extending bottom line.

[@AdderTude]

I just wish Chris Roberts would've remastered/remade Wing Commander rather than make...whatever Star Citizen is right now. I would've loved to see Wing Commander (and also Privateer) get a current-gen facelift. However, in the case of Privateer, the closest competitor to that game would probably be Elite: Dangerous.

[@cooki3th1ef]

congrats you just described what a live service game is

[@PinkTuskedMammoth]

@@cooki3th1ef Except a Live Service game is different in that it is in an actual complete state and they add too that, as opposed too perpetually being a buggy mess that is a chore to play all because its STILL in Alpha, not even Beta.

[@YurikRoss]

I had coworkers that kept talking about Star Citizen and how it would be the best thing ever....like 5 years ago lol

[@Mrchair905]

One day we’ll get a Splinter Cell remake…one day…

[@volodymyrbilyk555]

You might say it got blacklisted

[@chip43]

Half life 3?

[@mattBLACKpunk]

Chaos theory pls

[@petesmart1983]

Dead series sadly with ubisoft not interested in it

[@TonsofGunz4399]

​@@petesmart1983sadly they are allergic to good ideas considering how they are making games

[@FraseThatPlays]

I imagine that Jane and Mike were both asked to appear in this video but saw the Vampire The Masquerade Bloodlines 2 part of the script and are both out of shot, lying on the floor in the foetal position.

[@fawksmulder7736]

The one that broke me was the origional Prey 2, the one trailer we got for that game was my rome

[@Nikelaos_Khristianos]

I hear ya, Human Head’s Prey 2 will always be such a huge “What if…” (thanks Bethesda, even in 2011 you sucked.) It was also such crap what they did to Arkane’s Prey. Arkane literally got stuck with the name because that was the only way Bethesda would let them make the game - they had to use an existing IP. But Arkane were basically making “System Shock 3” not “Prey.” And from a NoClip documentary about Arkane, you can see how that decision bugged the staff a fair bit because they knew it was going to affect the sales.

[@QueenLizby]

As a fan of Vampire the Masquerade... I would prefer development hell over the combat heavy game it was looking like at first. Anything to keep VTMB2 from being like blood hunt...

[@jodinsan]

As little as I know about VTM, I feel like this should still be an _optional playstyle,_ but only dependent on your clan.

[@merissaj4518]

💯

[@montyr2083]

Once it left the original developers and ended up being pitched as "You're an Antediluvian super-vampire named Phyre from the 17th century" instead of "this is an RPG" I completely lost interest. Plus they fired all of the writers from the original Bloodlines. If it ever comes out, it will be the Fallout 4 of goth non-RPGs.

[@southcoastinventors6583]

Hoping the game will finally feature Clan Chocula as the main character faction.

[@legateelizabeth]

@@montyr2083I particularly loved where they cited a bunch of inspirations for what they wanted to do, and it didn’t include ‘Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines’.

[@freyjathehealer5559]

I’m sure this video was inspired by the team thinking about Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines and wanting to keep it in the public conscious.

[@foxgloves321]

Didn’t they fire their writers after being like two thirds done in some sort of woke uprising?

[@fiascothe63rd]

@@foxgloves321 No, they fired the whole team because the game they were making was bad

[@drankydrank1]

@@foxgloves321 Nah, this seems correct.

[@Drazil232]

And I'm gonna call it: Silksong is only on that list because you hear people that wait for it. It's still very much inside a reasonable timespan

[@pengwin_]

silksong fans are some of the most obnoxious fans in videogames second only to earthbound fans.

[@CaptainCoffee37]

In The Valley of Gods, the spiritual sequel to Firewatch by Campo Santo. Was looking like this was going to come out in 2018/2019 until Valve bought Campo Santo and put them to work doing things other than developing their own game. Everyone who loved Firewatch wanted this game the moment it was announced. Currently Steam shows 2029 as a release date. We're not holding our breath.

[@MrYin90210]

Beyond Good And Evil 2 is NEVER coming out

[@Herowebcomics]

Don't say that! Duke Nukem came out after being in development hell,and so did Suicide squad! ...On second thought...🫤

[@PerovNigma]

I was going to suggest _Star Wars: Eclipse,_ but I didn't even remember the KOTOR remake was supposed to be a thing, so I guess it deserves the spot more.

[@justinlast2lastharder749]

It was a thankfully avoided disaster. KOTOR Remake was helmed by people that hate the first game, said they hated it, and announced they wanted to "reimagine it" with woke garbage. One of the DEI Companies like Sweet Baby Inc was in charge of it.

[@elilla331]

​@@justinlast2lastharder749yep. Otherwise it'd be another dead SW game just like the entire movie and TV franchise.

[@Walaby50]

I got the feeling that most games are stuck in development hell because of two things. Either the publishers are ruining things or the boss of the developer creates a toxic enviorment (quite often because of publishers pushing stupid things)

[@KaitouKaiju]

And sometimes the ideas aren't technically feasible and you have to start over multiple times

[@hectorwhoz]

I'm surprised there was no mention of Xbox saying "all these games in the showcase will be available in a year" when they showed the trailer that included Silksong And then the year went by and Team Cherry announced they had to delay

[@custos3249]

Yeah, BG&E can stay in development hell. From the lackluster reveal to Ubisoft's constant bullshit these days, it'd be better to have nothing.

[@chrismanuel9768]

And the substantiated reports of abuse by the development lead that was forced out of the industry...

[@danwoods8195]

Don't forget "little devil inside" still hype after 8 years😂

[@SolaScientia]

I was looking to see if anyone else was going to mention that one. That's the first one that popped into my head since I've had it wishlisted on my PS account for ages now. I never backed the Kickstarter, so I haven't gotten burned like a lot of people, but the delay has been a bit crazy. I looked it up and the devs released a rather mealy mouthed update on the Kickstarter page back in Feb of this year. It doesn't really say much beyond that they're continuing to work on it and discussing publishing options. I'm not holding my breath for it at this point, and I'd been looking forward to it.

[@unknownentity222]

God,Beyond Good and Evil was an insanely underated game.i certainly hope they revive it and do it justice.

[@gamerboy6787]

I swear, some game companies take a cue from Hollywood, and do what is called "IP guarding." The company doesn't intend to release a new game in that IP ever again, but they regularly make just enough noise so that, legally, they can renew/hold onto that IP, so they can sue anyone who makes something similar. I first heard the term "IP guarding" from an interview given by a retired Hollywood exec. He said the movie industry does something like that all the time -- a company or individual buys up an existing script, and then just sit on it, doing nothing with it. Then the owner of the script can sue anyone who tries to do anything even remotely similar. The defendant doesn't need negative PR, so 9 out of 10 times, the defendant is happy to settle out of court, hush-hush.

[@roguishpaladin]

I don't think that's the case. Generally, IP guarding requires that you actually release something. Just announcing intent to do something with it isn't a firm protection. Plus, several of the examples here have no worries about a publisher hiring on a different studio - Star Citizen and Hollow Knight aren't IP that will expire away from the current holders. IP Guarding is for when you have a major bit of IP and want to work with it, but the licensor has stipulated that it must be used by X date. That technically could be true of the Star Wars and Metroid entries here, but both seem to be showing genuine attempts at development that don't work, after which the publisher moves on to a different dev team.

[@justinlast2lastharder749]

Its more like how Dimension Films made a quick "straight to dvd" Hellraiser without Doug Bradley to prevent the rights reverting back to Clive Barker. It was the 9th and worst Hellraiser. I refuse to even acknowledge any have been made since.

[@riksweeney]

14:35 The Subtitle says "Willem Scream" which is a nice reference to the "Wilhelm scream" sound effect heard in a lot of movies and TV shows.

[@JamesTM]

Andy's drawing is a flawless demonstration of how to make an extremely dirty joke in a thoroughly subtle and advertiser-friendly way. I saw what you did there, Andy. I had to rewind to be sure, but I saw it. :D

[@chrismanuel9768]

The big WHOOOOP up, right? Yeah... yeah, I caught that 😂

[@JamesTM]

@@chrismanuel9768 Circle, circle, WHOOOOP. Yeah. :D

[@troubadour0663]

Well Perfect Dark is back on.

[@tyrongkojy]

Vamp the Masquerade also got a spinoff (technically, Vampire is the most popular and "main" part of the universe) action game involving Werewolf. And another visual novel game in that, as well.

[@scienceface8884]

No one played it. Not even die-hard fans. *ESPECIALLY* not die-hard fans!

[@Lacessit]

Surprised not to find Dragon Age: Dreadwolf here... Such a sad story

[@MisterHanRPG]

Or Elder Scrolls 6! Oh, wait, that's not surprising, that's Bethesda.

[@marks2807]

@@MisterHanRPG Between 2002-2011 They released Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim. Yet we have been waiting over a decade for ES6.

[@IcyTorments]

Im not surprised lmfao dreadwolfs basically been made three times now. EA/Bioware higher ups wanted it to be Live service game, was canned and then development was restarted to make a live service game with anthems code but because anthem flopped they decided to not make it have multiplayer and make it a single player only.

[@1993rnicholson]

​@@marks2807 yup and fallout 3 after that they have fallout 4 years later and? Oh yeah Starfield 😑

[@leonniedickens283]

I wasn't aware of the KOTOR remake until this video. Now I'm sad.

[@rmcgowa1987]

Probably a good thing given how badly the battlefront remaster went I wouldn't trust the studio behind it good thing it's being sold off to someone else.

[@cyberneticfish8086]

​@@rmcgowa1987 saber interactive basically bought itself out from embracer, so it's not really changing hands again.

[@rmcgowa1987]

@@cyberneticfish8086 Oh that's bad news then because they did a terrible job with the battlefront remaster. Where as many studios have done great to decent jobs at remasters so it can't be that difficult to get at least partially right.

[@Nikelaos_Khristianos]

@@rmcgowa1987 Aspyr didn’t eff up the KOTOR Remake - they’re getting so much unfair shit for it - the suits at Disney didn’t like the game being so faithful to the original and so they demanded change, a bunch of staff left and then that skeleton crew got stuck with Battlefront. They’re just a bunch of really tired devs who don’t want to make Star Wars games anymore. Disney gave it to Saber, and it’s still under their thumb, and I have zero faith that it will resemble anything like the original KOTOR.

[@DC-FGC]

Bloodlines 2 reminded me that White Wolf(the company behind Vampire for those who aren't into tabletop stuff) once tried to make an MMO based around the same property. Worked on it for years before it was cancelled. The only thing they ever mentioned that they were working on was getting the clothing to hang extra super well on the characters. Out of all the things they could have bragged about or claimed to be working on, the *clothing* was the only thing they cared to mention? It was weird.

[@PsychoSavager289]

Star Citizen's development timeline is truly an impressive failure: *It is now only 2 years from overtaking Duke Nukem Forever's development length. *Over $670 million has been raised to fund it. That's enough to make both Avengers: Infinity War and Endgame. *The entire DCEU came into being and was finished before SC was released. *The US will likely have had at least 4 presidential elections before SC releases. *The UK left the EU, had its monarch died of old age and will have likely changed PMs five times before SC releases. *Fredrik Knudsen of Down the Rabbit Hole released a video in 2016 discussing SC's protracted development. 2016 is now further away from today than it is from the start of SC's development.

[@alptigin5438]

Derek Smart is officially a better game director than Chris Roberts.

[@jordyboy62]

I will say one thing though, their offices look cool. They rent a couple of the floors in my companies building and it's always fun to have a nosy when I go to the office.

[@moosemaimer]

Hard to believe it was 2018 when I _un_ -installed it. At least I never spent more than the price of a retail game on it, and probably got more hours played than some other games I bought.

[@aerthreepwood8021]

It's a highly profitable grift, at this point.

[@johnsansker7064]

The $670 million is almost double the budget for GTA IV ($100 million) and V ($265 million) combined.

[@Rodark_GR]

beyond good and evil 2 :( its been yeaaaars. i remember being stunned when i played the first one back in the day and realized i had to wait years for a sequel....

[@Practitioner_of_Diogenes]

Awkward moment when number 1 aged like fine milk...

[@darkfool2000]

For the little credit it deserves, Star Citizen is at least playable. I have nothing else positive to say about it, so I'll stop there.

[@faysalfattouh7223]

Came straight here after they just showed the perfect dark trailer. Hilarious i watched this just yesterday, you can remove it from the list now!

[@DavidTiziani]

Who else is here after the new Metroid Prime 4 trailer dropped?

[@Vayxes]

Vampire the Masquerade and Fable are the two im holding out hope for

[@Vayxes]

@@SimuLord honestly I think it's gonna be pretty good without him

[@RainWelsh]

It was always that game WiLD for me, the one where you were meant to be able to possess animals and stuff? As an Animorphs kid, that was the closest to a shapeshifter game I thought I was going to get, and they still took it from me. It’s now at a point where it’s “probably” cancelled, but still, probably isn’t definitely. Now it’s also Dragon Age: Dreadwolf, because despite being promised a “massive update this summer” and even “potentially releasing late 2024/early 2025” I’ve long since learned not to get my hopes up. Guess it’s back to playing BG3 for me.

[@tripplec6798]

11:39 don't forget pokemon directs as well. That was.. quite the experience trying to watch that one with live chat

[@craggster424]

glad we got the experts confirming it

[@nishidohellhillsruler6731]

I was wondering at which point was Bloodlines 2 going to come up...

[@petesmart1983]

It's announced for autumn time

[@nishidohellhillsruler6731]

@@petesmart1983 it has been for like 5 years now.

[@perfectlyhopeless]

Being a BioWare fan these days is just begging for literally anything from the studio about the next Dragon Age, with this year marking a decade since Inquisition's release, and getting nothing but vagueries we already could figure out ourselves based on Inquisition's finale DLC. For the last few years it's been "Later this year, we'll have more to show you!" and in that interim we've had .... Well, nothing. Baldur's Gate 3 really gave an entire fandom what they were craving and now BioWare has to play catch-up

[@665Sunshine]

You didn't hear this from me, but Team Cherry is waiting to release Silksong on my birthday as a personal gift to me.

[@Blandy8521]

I'm expecting silksong

[@awkwardghosties1113]

Eitr. i dont know what percentage of this channels viewers remember or care about Eitr but man i fell in love with that pixelated isometric (not technically isometric but close enough) nordic souls where you play as a shield maiden. the animation and the art was so simple and beautiful and the first time i saw it i think was in 2014 or 15, its been on my wishlist ever since. its a very small team maybe 2 or maybe 3 developers with other full time jobs but they refuse to do crowd funding or ask for money for this game. sometimes i check in to the subreddit and see other thirsty souls like myself asking stuff like 'is it cancelled' or 'do they need help'. sometimes they post in their discord confirming slow progress but honestly, i dont see it coming out. and if it does by the time it does, i think player sensibilities would have changed so much that it would do abysmally bad and that would make me sadder.

[@InMaTeofDeath]

Silksong isn't as bad to me since they only have a few people making it and the scale of the game is huge.

[@bafflebag1]

I honestly think that Unity is the reason Silksong isn't out yet. When they decided to make the devs pay if enough copies of their game are bought, Team Cherry would be paying a lot.

[@spazzz302]

I thought I read that the KOTOR remake was officially cancelled. I’m most likely incorrect though…….. also, Team Cherry announces stuff every now and then, but it’s essentially “we’re still working on it” it would be nice to see something about Silksong, however, considering how great Hollow Knight was, they can take as much time as they need as far as I care.

[@karabearcomics]

There's also the fact that Tekken x Street Fighter has never been officially announced as cancelled, so it could qualify for such a list.

[@KaBeeM]

Harada officially said that development was frozen though. so there is currently no one working on it. can't be in development hell when no one is developing it.

[@lordminifridge8606]

PD was just showcased and BL2 is listed on steam. So woo?

[@Agent-ym8ke]

I would say Warhammer 40,000 space marine 2, but that recently got a release date trailer.

[@etherialaardvark9780]

Andy's beard is looking glorious in this video.

[@TotallyCluelessGamer]

As a general fan of the genre its hard for me to really view the Hollow Knight fandom as being optimistic when every new game that drops in the genre is at best grudgingly tolerated as a way to kill time until Silksong. Can they just get their game already so the rest of the genre can stop dealing with this Silksongless behavior.

[@RobbieGoldy]

The funniest thing about the Prime joke is that Andy looks genuinely exhausted.

[@IIResonancEII]

Metroid Prime 4 restarted development 5 years ago. Nintendo’s working hard to bring us the lastest entry at 720p at a solid 30 frames per second. Thanks Nintendo!

[@asceticblur]

When Ubisoft cancels a game we all win.

[@KaBeeM]

if they didn't cancel Skull & Bones, they're not gonna cancel BGE2. Skull & Bones should have been cancelled like a dozen times over.

[@lukas8670]

List idea. 7 childhood games we would love to play again, if only they worked on modern systems. I really, really miss ThemePark World, but it won't run on modern PCs seeing as it came out in 1999/2000. Honestly, it doesn't even need to be digitally remastered. Just give it to me, able to run on windows 11 without crashing or me having to find and download a patch another fan has made that might get it to work (or might install a virus, it's 50/50).

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Not my favorites, but Wing Commander I+II should count.

[@AdderTude]

@@michaelandreipalon359 Hell, the entire Wing Commander game franchise.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

@@AdderTude I don't know, heard III to IV and Privateer run well on GOG. Still prefer TIE Fighter and FreeSpace 2 though.

[@esteban280889]

Well this needs to be updated. Its now only a list of 5 things and we know lists need to be 7. Cross out perfect dark and metroid 4

[@MattSkudlarek]

Honestly, the entire concept of this video is why I haven't really bothered paying attention to game announcements in years. Besides, the backlog of games that actually exist, which I've not started playing yet is too long to be putting any energy into a "we're working on this" announcement. 😝

[@lewismartin3430]

The KOTOR remake one just makes me sad. Its one of my favourite games of all time and now its locked away forever

[@mattBLACKpunk]

Fr I was even getting my hopes up for a kotor 2 remake 😭

[@rmcgowa1987]

It's a good thing for me I hate things being ps exclusive I don't play ps or xbox anymore I've been pc for years now.

[@hmoham]

I think the problem there was, the original plan was to make it more a Remaster, with updated graphics, then Sony signed on for exclusivity and wanted a remake, and the original studio was ill equipped for it.

[@rmcgowa1987]

@@hmoham Your telling me I don't know if the guys who were originally going to do the remake did the battlefront remaster but that was terrible how could you stuff up a remaster? Most of the work is done already.

[@oxfanblink4115]

No doubt Jane is disappointed too since it’s up there with Vampire The Masquerade with being among her favourite games of all time she loves as much as Ellen loves Kingdoms Of Amalar

[@kaneaquino8295]

Now the opposite: 7 Games That Went through Development Heaven

[@persephoneunderground845]

Kingdom Come Deliverance 2- very little to no indication anything was happening, then a 15-minute long release announcement with detailed discussions of features. Ending with "[it] will release by the end of 2024". So good!

[@KaitouKaiju]

Hi Fi Rush, announced and released the same day and one of the best action rhythm games ever made

[@KAPTAINmORGANnWo4eva]

Considering Nintendo has just announced the Switch successor will be out by March next year, I imagine Metroid Prime 4 transitioned to the new console at some point after the restart of development.

[@sagek526]

Honestly a bit surprised that S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Isn’t on the list, I feel like we’ve been waiting forever on that game, and every year since it’s been announced they have told us that later that same year, it’ll be finally released.