7 Highest Potential Wonderkids on FM17: Where Are They Now?

[@nocunoct]

To be fair, goalkeeper careers tend to be longer and they often peak later than outfield players, so there's still plenty of time for Donarumma to reach his full potential. It just feels weird because he's been playing first-team football for what feels like an eternity. A lot of players are only getting their regular football after they turn 20; he's been a first-choice keeper since he was 17!

[@sammybosak10]

His career got stagnant after joining psg

[@stefannenezic2493]

​@@sammybosak10Especially after horror defeat against Real Madrid in Champions League.

[@mattkhanna]

Mbappe was playing first team football at Monaco in 2015 and won the title….. FM has always been strange and this video proves it to me lol

[@gregoriuspascalis500]

Since 16 actually

[@Yes-Bean]

There's a lot of keepers that only become good after they become 30 years

[@johnaarson]

It is also important to say about António Sousa (Afonso Sousa's grandfather) that he won a Champions League (European Cup at the time) with Porto in 1987. He was not just "another" player. It would be pretty hard for Afonso to eclipse his grandfather.

[@madsnn4222]

winning a champions league doesnt make you a "great player"

[@KushQQ]

@@madsnn4222 you are correct, but Sousa still wasnt just another player. He was a pretty important part of the team that won 2-1 in the final against Bayern

[@madsnn4222]

sure, i dont know him so i simply dont know, just wanted to point out the terrible point he made@@KushQQ

[@raphaelovicstrassovic9440]

Eggenstein also was on loan at my club, Lask, so i can say that he is a truly sympathetic and down to the group player. Wishing him and Pauli the best for the 2nd Buli campaign

[@mikaoleander]

as a fan of werder bremen i'm happy to see him succeed at st pauli. both of the eggestein brothers were very likeable in bremen and seeing jojo in a key role of the club that is currently first in the second bundesliga and also has a fan friendship with werder makes me happy

[@SilliusSodus]

Niran would’ve been number one had it not been for that knee injury.

[@malokey7]

Someone needs to explain this to me.

[@FredIsHalfDead]

Oh no they’re leaking onto other channels

[@callumhayes7502]

The clapped trim aswell

[@bp3366]

It appears containment has failed, ladies and gentleman, its all over now.

[@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986]

@@malokey7FNG KZbin channel Niran is the guy on there it’s a long running joke about good he would be if it weren’t for one knee injury years ago

[@thomasrisbjergschrder9341]

Video Idea: The expansion of the World Cup to include 48 teams, and it's impact, for better or worse, on the sport.

[@SilliusSodus]

More young stars are likely to play for the national team of their ethnicity (E.g. an ethnic Albanian who can represent England choosing Albania instead). Teams like England and France will need to do a better job convincing players that they will feature in the World Cup and slightly smaller teams (both financially and population) like Croatia and Albania, only stand to profit.

[@andrasszabo1570]

@@SilliusSodus Their presidents and secretaries stand to profit, not their footballers. Expanding the World Cup was a political decision, not a football consideration.

[@SilliusSodus]

@@andrasszabo1570 true, it’s just that it has other consequences as well.

[@soundscape26]

The impact that I will probably only bother to watch matches from the knockout stage.

[@tayloryoung9803]

@@SilliusSodus croatia is a bad example. I cant recall any very good croatian ' Pullisic ?) playing for another side. More like the opposite as Rakitic chose Croatia and not switzerland. Its more Turkey/Maghreb and high diaspora countries who could benefit . Probably may lead to tighter rules. Find it already weird Spain can naturalize players in their mid twenties to make them play for them like Le normand (joined spanish club at 18... became spanish at 26 just to play for them)

[@young_diogenes]

Your channel is BY FAR the best about football on KZbin. The other ones are producing boulevard, this is quality journalism.

[@PassivesAbseits]

I still remember getting Freddy Adu as the safest possible investment from 2005 to 2008. He was just the first player you tried to sign... or at least you insta scouted him, so you could get him, as soon as his contract was up.

[@199019852007]

He was a beast as was Kompany and Ageuro

[@StillAwesome21]

Hope this becomes a series with other/older years of Football Manager.

[@MadKieranM]

Brilliant idea for a series!

[@rahulrego3257]

Lewis Cook was sensational. His ability on the ball was special for an English midfielder. Sadly injuries ruined his career.

[@lordvadertheleftie9703]

I remember CM 2016 and Hachim Mastour became utterly phenomenal. Alongside Dele Alli and Pogba I would build teams around them

[@SuperRijul]

Eggestein could've been that main Centre Forward that the German national team has been needing for all these years if it wasnt for those injuries. He always had the talent was just unlucky. Hope he can make a comeback.

[@Yusni-bc2cm]

Can you make a video about the rise and fall of AD São Caetano? When they played on the top flight in 2000, they went out the way to the finals which they got defeated by Vasco da Gama. Then in the next year they reached to the final again, then got defeated by Athletico Paranense. Then in the next year they almost complete their fairytale story in Copa Libertadores which they got beaten by Olimpia in the finals by penalty shootout. São Caetano won their first Campeonato Paulista, São Paulo's state championship in 2004. But unknown to Brazilian fans at that time, this club would go through the most brutal form of fall from grace any club could face. In October 2004, defender Serginho passed away on the pitch by heart attack,. It was later revealed that the team's medical staff had been ignored about Serginho's heart problem. Not long after that the collapse of the club would come. They relegated from Serie A in 2007, then they were ousted from Serie B in 2014 (while also went relegated from the state league's top division in the same year), and fell off the professional league system entirely just in the next year, they never got back up to Serie C again after that. To make matter worse, this year, São Caetano has been relegated to the third division of the state league.

[@danielfrancis7798]

What are the odds that I’ve been playing FM17 these past few days and then you upload a video. That’s synchronicity right there

[@Dooglemagic444]

Hey Alfie! As someone who truly raved about Jadon sancho while he was at Dortmund to my friends who don’t watch any other than the premier league. Perhaps you could do a what’s gone wrong with Jadon sancho? As he was putting up numbers only rivalled by Messi and lewandoski at the time of his Dortmund career

[@depekthegreat359]

Really bizzare to see the career of Renato Sanches drop as soon as he joined Bayern Munich which was honestly,unlucky for him even he did have a good spell with both Lille and now AS Roma,good friends!!!A talent which was wastefully deployed but I hope he can this around with the Italian club once and for all,good friends!!!🙏

[@petesmart1983]

He had a good spell with Lille but also played less than 30 games in each season, he's already injured at roma

[@tcooper7280]

Divock Origi.... Wow. Well......a club legend now anyway. Wouldnt trade it for the world.

[@petesmart1983]

He's not a club legend, he a cult figure cause if his goals but he was terrible 99% of the time

[@performsmanzay3502]

@@petesmart1983he’s a legend

[@efancording6363]

No way is he a club legend. He'd a club cult hero.

[@paddyw65]

absolutely love the football manager stuff, keep it up alfie 👏🏼

[@robertnettleship5467]

I bloody love this channel. The research put into this channel is highly admiral. Not to mention the classic delivery. Great job :)

[@Rika101OfficialYT]

thanks Alfie for the throwback of Renato Sanches in this list. after saw youtube video of him scoring the worldie against Academica in 2015, I thought I just saw C. Ronaldo 2.0, but boy how much he has fallen since joining Bayern almost immidiately after that season.

[@Louisjamson]

He’s not fallen that much he’s a good player

[@petesmart1983]

He never made it too many Injurys and not good enough for a big club. Yet to play over 30 games in a season for his whole career and even his best spell at Lille he never played more than 25 games in a season, he joined Roma and he's been injured for months

[@mcmiaho]

Eggestein is doing a real good job at St Pauli on a potential promotion to Bundesliga, it could be a great Video on what happening with st Pauli

[@DGAMINGDE]

Insane of Alfie to suggest that Eggestein didn't reach his potential or that he is not world class. No, I am not crazy, I am just a St. Pauli fan and hope for the Hull City treatment.

[@DidYaServe]

Donnarumma can become the world's best goalkeeper again if he can find a way out of PSG. He hasn't developed there. Unfortunately, no Italian team can afford him and the clubs that can in England and Spain already have their number one goalkeepers locked in for years to come.

[@epicfm1296]

Is it just me that always looks forward to the “without further ado” comment everytime 😂

[@jackhurst8104]

We NEED an FM series from you!

[@Caraviaggio]

Some weeks ago I was going to the stadium with a friend of mine and we saw an ambulance going into the same direction. My friend stopped and said "hey we got to see Renato Sanches go to the Olimpico!" That's how it's going

[@SamS-uv2ql]

You want to keep hold of that friend, he sounds hilarious.

[@lyomon9981]

I still use renato in fifa 83 overall right now and he has good pace and passing

[@SanFranFan30]

Alfie making an FM video is fucking fantastic once again.

[@Mark-uh3un]

Neves going to saudi at 26 makes me sad, he had the potential to be a world class player at Barcelona or another premier league team

[@vinceely2906]

He’s on so much money now no one can probably afford him. He’ll be stuck like Oscar now is in China.

[@MA-yo7eg]

Who cares about that? They go into professional football for the money 💴

[@petesmart1983]

He always chased money that why he left being Porto captain and Portugal intentional to join championship side wolves (hadn't been promoted yet). He's a money chaser

[@TheNormalJuan]

In the case of Donnaruma, he has spent most of the last few seasons at a league that, while not as terrible as is often joked about, has seen a serious decline in quality in the last decade or so, as GK for the team that wins it almost every year. Not receiving that many real challenges from his leagues's rival attackers could be a reason for his development not quite reaching the highs he could have potentially reached. He's still really young for a GK so he should still have a chance to land a move to a more competitive league and become a lot better, but considering the kind of wages he's contracted to at PSG it seems difficult for most clubs to consider that kind of investment on that position, specially when there are many other fairly good and a few really good keepers that would be far more affordable, so there's also the possibility of him staying for 8-10 more years at Paris and never reaching that World Class level. It's not too different from Mbappe's case, sticking around as top goalscorer at League 1 instead of moving to a more challenging league, but on his case at least he has been able to challenge himself to a higher level through the National Team, reaching two world cup finals and with very realistic chances of winning or at least reaching other finals for both Euros and WCs for over a decade to come. Italy has been rather inconsistent on the international stage for most of Donnarumas career, and from the looks of it, they could continue to struggle on that front for many years, with a few good tournaments sprinkled here and there but also failing in more than a few.

[@dimitarkarchev968]

Why didn't you use FM Scout to check the exact potential of the players? In FM22 Mbappe is rated at 196 and Halland at 190 for ex

[@jvillanueva2978]

Donnarumma is still young AF for a GK so he can still develop into the best. It's not unheard of for GKs to get even better when they hit 30.

[@MathewBallardTheOne]

FM17, the best version of Football Manager.

[@chezzypotato8313]

i have belief in roony bardghji

[@deepakrao5553]

That guy is a beast on fm 23

[@LG-hf8ni]

He absolutely rips through defenses in my fm24 save. Best thing is, he had a release clause below 20 mil euros

[@Charliiiie]

6:32 nice one 😂😂😂

[@bastorbap]

Think the problem with Donnarumma is that he is playing for a team that is dominating the league so much that he probably don't feel he needs to evolve and improve. If he joins another club who isn't farming the league and the difference between the teams are closer he would probably improve.

[@callumhayes7502]

We have one at Blackpool atm, Karamoko Dembele 🍊

[@mars_0008]

Greatest individual performance at a World Cup

[@owenwilson4059]

Amazing stuff as always...hah joking it just dropped a minute ago BUT IM SURE IT'LL BE GREAT love your stuff man

[@kingfait5437]

watching while playing FM🤣

[@enthusiastofcute]

I wonder which of the current “wonder kids” now will be in videos like this in the future

[@AvatarN]

Garnacho

[@Joe-MT]

I miss FM. Anyhow, can we please have a video about Maltese Football ⚽ Thank you

[@edenbeeden9876]

what on earth happened to the titles for the timestamps

[@siler22]

i struggled to understand about which Eggestein you were talking about in this video, cuz you used two players with that last name

[@cafeplastique890]

Johannes Eggestein has a brother who is one year older, Maximilian. Both were bright hopes and playing first team football at Werder Bremen as teenagers. Both are no longer at Bremen but are still doing reasonably well. Maximilian is playing Bundesliga with Freiburg, Johannes looks to be on the way back to the Bundesliga with St. Pauli. If Alfie did mix up pictures of the two in this video on occasion, I'd say that is the type of mistake that can happen, but I actually have not spotted any mixups. The pic at 10:51 shows both (Maximilian = No 35, Johannes = No 24)

[@gman6862]

My GOAT CM/FM player (that never was) is To Madeira!

[@gregoriuspascalis500]

As a Milan fans, I agree that Donnarumma doesn't seem to develop his game. I don't follow his match since he departed from Milan but when I see him vs Milan weeks ago, he doesn't seem to improve much. Of course his shot stopping ability is still good but that's all.

[@eeeeewewew]

Can we get an FM save update? Hows Alfie getting on in FM this year?

[@tja_tv]

What does -10 potential mean?

[@jopa_ryds]

This reminds me about the controversy that blew up when people noticed that SI were giving black players, especially African players low mentality stats, like teamwork and attitude. Around that time I lost interest with FM so I haven't checked if they still give African players worse mental stats than players from other continents. I reckon you could do a great video on that mate.

[@thibautnarme6402]

Tbh it has been a biais that was (is?) not limited to just FM but to European football in general. Considering that FM scouts are not professionals and that mental attributes are even more harder to assess that physical or technical ones, I'm not suprised they fell prey to the biais themselves.

[@jopa_ryds]

@@thibautnarme6402 True that. I reckon he could do a good video on it.

[@LG-hf8ni]

I mean tbh is it that wrong? There are enough examples of it , its not a controversy, its an Observation

[@RyuzakiTaiyou]

Best German players in the premier league of all time. (Day 579) I will not give up until the video is made or Alfie himself tells me to stop. Everyone else telling me that will be ignored. If you don't believe my number, just go back to the previous videos. I'm at the bottom most of the time, but I'm there.

[@TheOfficialVeganismExposed]

Where are they now? Playing FM2023

[@MythicalRhino97]

Legit thought Ruben nevez was like 32 but he’s my age I feel like an old fart now

[@luisjesus2276]

Renato at Benfica was amazing, too bad that after moving to Bayern they replaced all his limbs with glass

[@leemcdonald1342]

Isn't Football Manager distrubted by Sega?

[@framinami]

only ones whove fulfilled potential mbappe and origi

[@petesmart1983]

Origi has never been good

[@martinnovak6694]

how is it possible to make 20 minutes of video from 5 minutes of content is beyond me.

[@nikhilsrl]

That's not saying much.

[@AlexVenthem]

Disagree with donnarumma not being world class. He has definitely had performances that will live long in the memory, the win against England for example, and he's in the top 5 keepers right now with Allison Ederson Courtois and Ter Stegen.

[@lordvadertheleftie9703]

I'd take Martinez over most bar Allison

[@AlexVenthem]

@@lordvadertheleftie9703 problem is with Martinez is he doesnt play for a top club, and it takes a certain level of goalkeeper to play for a top club, many goalkeepers look good for a 'smaller' club (i know villa are doing well but lets be honest) but arent quite there on the big stage a la onana or ramsdale

[@loligeseinhorn1673]

Honestly Kobel belongs to the top five

[@lordvadertheleftie9703]

@AlexVenthem put Martinez (who won Argentina the world cup in the penalty shootout) into Onana's place he wouldn't make those mistakes. He made 3 world class saves over this weekend

[@he_football]

Fine, I'll play FM 2017 :))

[@a.s.2611]

No one: Alfie: AC/INTER MEElan 😂😂😂

[@dpad_]

thats actually how you pronounce it, or at least closest to ive heard from an english person. bar the "ac" part, thats "achee"

[@gullyfoyle2615]

Anyone remember MATTEO BRIGHI on fifa 2003?

[@scottcooper6828]

Do a 7 of 7 ex ac milan players who went into politics after football

[@lordvadertheleftie9703]

He should do a video just about Burlesconi

[@petesmart1983]

​@@lordvadertheleftie9703why he was an awful man, involved in much corruption, mafia, paedophilia, female trafficking, tried to create a dictatorship, including controlling most media. Funded by Putin why meloni was the puppet face for him and salvi racist far right party coming to power...

[@dpad_]

camarda will probably be -10 on the next fm

[@pietercarter9139]

Donnarumma has 60+ caps for one of the top NT in the world at an age when other gks start breaking into senior club teams. He is at the very least 4-6 years from peaking still. Forwards can easily peak in their mid 20s so it’s such a hard comparison to make

[@RomaInvicta202]

Both Mbappe and Donaruma didn't help themselves joining PSG which dominates French league and that doesnt help in development of talents

[@GibbyGamingOfficial]

Jojo ❤ Werder geil

[@Samasamuel]

I hate how you pronounce Meelan

[@soundscape26]

Same. It's just weird.

[@adc2987]

If you listen for it, he's hilariously inconsistent. For instance the video about Brazil the other week when discussing Kaka, it flip flopped between Meeelan and normally.

[@HITCSevens]

Fair enough, but however I say it I'll get someone complaining - so I might as well flip-flop between the two and upset everyone!

[@Samasamuel]

@@HITCSevens Great Alfie. Thought you lost a bet or something 😅

[@petesmart1983]

Mi-lahn it's basically to syllables not one word.. most British dont pronounce it especially commentators etc.

[@pavelmarinov8361]

A video on the downfall of Bulgarian football please 🥺

[@ffff-k6v]

Mate its dead for 100 years,wtf

[@pavelmarinov8361]

@@ffff-k6v nah mate, we used to be kinda decent at one point, but we sadly have the worst run football federation in the world and its not even close

[@silviofelix1991]

Donnarumma don't seem to be evolving in his game and PSG looked more reliable with Keylor Navas than with him.

[@petesmart1983]

Navas was dreadful especially on crosses ,that why real,psg and forest all replaced him

[@silviofelix1991]

Forest replaced him with Vlachodimos. I'm a Benfica fan and believe me he isn't better at crosses or sweeping. He's just good at defending shoots. Keylor Navas isn't a complete keeper but Donnarumma isn't better than him.

[@lewisblackwiththenicehair]

FM17 did not come out 7 years ago. It was 3 years ago. You're just lying to make me feel old right? 😮

[@petesmart1983]

Came out in 2016

[@lewisblackwiththenicehair]

@@petesmart1983 we're in 2023 Pete. Do the maths.

[@MuhammadHussain519-g1x]

Mbappe is easily the best player in this list

[@CharlesSky-zk4hf]

Fm scout are clueless sometimes. In fm24, Caicedo got 185 fixed potential while Pedri got 176. Also Wirtz only got potential range of 150-180. So explain to me how can you watch football and rate Caicedo higher than these two ? Clueless.

[@nanookrubsit]

freddy adu played for benfica lmao

[@doctorcrankyflaps1724]

I'm still playing the 2017 game. Yay.

[@freddiemercury2075]

I play Total Club Manager 2004

[@bakangholden1440]

Could make s video about how russias invasion of ukraine has impacted ukrainian football?

[@freddiemercury2075]

Declan Rice ???

[@nikhilsrl]

Not good enough to feature.

[@soundscape26]

What on earth is going on at Sampdoria?

[@nenemuy]

mbappe an odd one out lmao

[@nenemuy]

respect dembouz tho

[@chezzypotato8313]

first

[@danielnoah7719]

Soudi pro league will Grow and be better than EPL U racist.

[@Rossoneri2]

No it won't

[@silviofelix1991]

😅😅

[@petesmart1983]

It won't, Saudi is a extremely racist country, like murdering Africans on the border who escaped Yemen which Saudi is bombing civilians. Also the people making all new infrastructure are from Indian or east Asia and basically slaves with there passports took off them... Or horrific ethnic cleaning of old Arab/Turkic groups, and Baha'i relgious group... The horrific abuse of women ,from forced marrages ,married to your rapist, married as a young child to adult men, female circumstion, adultery if your raped when married which would mean stoned to death .honour killings etc etc...