7 Home Theater Subwoofer Battle: SVS SB2000 Pro vs GSG Devastator vs Kraken/ Marty Cube/ Velodyne

[@JilesMcCoy]

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[@silverbulletin846]

dude nice videos, i see you have rather low views for your good content, imo i think its your visuals, aka room, its just a plain living room for you HT ithink your next project sould be upping that, either knock down a wall to make it bigger and kit it out whit starceling - leds, ect ect or make your small room great. just my toughts when i see your room and overall look. i see you have a room for dvds and pc aerea?, man if its next to HT u could knock down that wall and put the dvd s into the HT and have a desk that is wall hang and screen behind that build into wall so (pc is in the audio Rack mount and Tunderbolt connection screen and wireless mouse keys) , whit lights on you pc aerea is inside the HT, im just projection here i dono your full layout :) thanks for the videos..

[@JilesMcCoy]

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[@Clint3571]

Thanks for the great review! I know that you have been getting asked a lot of questions about the Kraken, so I am glad that you took your time to really get a feel for it. In about a year I will be building a dedicated room and I am glad to have this sub on my list for a full Marty design to go behind my AT screen. I think there is something magical about the sound of a full Marty. I would like to see you get into some large passive radiator designs to negate the size of the big boxes.

[@JilesMcCoy]

That would be super fun!!! So many builds to do!

[@mcjonner]

Awesome video. Marty cube seems like the best compramise, specially for the wife in my situation. Hide it as an end table or something if used in a regular living room. Ive seen a very similar size box built 2 of them into the tv stand! One on either side with a center column for your av gear. Id love to see other subs well suited for the marty cube compared. The pa460 is supposed to do very well as well as the tbw100. The price of the pa460 cant be beat! Add some eq and bring up the low end, build 2 and use a nx3000d and your rocking and rolling for dirt cheap.

[@JilesMcCoy]

If you want to know about the Kraken, this is where you find out!

[@mikehutchins8444]

It's unfortunate that most (all??) of your graphs were limited by saturation/clipping of your microphone. That is a disadvantage of close mic'ing when you don't have a microphone capable of measuring the high SPLs these subwoofers can produce. If you had measured these subwoofers outdoors, your graphs would look markedly different. For example, the GSGAudio 21" Devastator can output >133dB @80Hz - That's a huge difference from the 117dB that your microphone is capable of measuring. A much more realistic test would have been to measure these subwoofers outdoors with the microphone 8 meters away from the subwoofer under test. This distance would prevent the microphone from clipping with the Devastator and would have produced realistic output comparisons for the other subwoofers. In this scenario, the microvee would have measured 114dB (using the inverse square law of a 6dB drop for every doubling of distance) for an output difference of ~25dB!! I salute you for performing this comparison, but it is important to understand the limitations introduced by your equipment and testing methods. The real world performance gap between the various subwoofers is MUCH greater than it would appear from your graphs.

[@JilesMcCoy]

I am sure someone will do outdoor measurements one of these days! For me, I will be indoors.

[@RonKnight1000]

Being the guy that asked if you were going to try the Kraken in your Devastator a few months ago, I can see the wheels turning already and can't wait for that review.

[@JilesMcCoy]

Maybe this summer!

[@RonKnight1000]

I talked to Kevin (GSG) last week and he said the Kraken was too peaky for the Devastator box and the full marty 21 seemed to work best. Look at all that work unscrewing the Dev I just saved you :)

[@greenflintriver]

Question I have a Velodyne FSR 15 which gave up after only 25 years haha. It was great. So I pulled the amp out of it and bought a Crown XLS 1502. I replaced the driver with a Dayton Ultimax um 15-22. I have set the Crown to bridged but don't know where to set the low and high pass filter. Your consideration would be greatly appreciated.

[@JilesMcCoy]

If you have a venter box the HPF should be somewhere around port tuning. The Low pass will depend on the rest of your system. f it home theater with an AVR then 80HZ is typical.

[@AA-ws3vd]

7 Subs, One Jiles to rule them all!

[@JilesMcCoy]

And in the bassness bind them.

[@zoroluva]

Maaan thank you for this video. Very educational. Honestly I'm more impressed by the SVS SB2000... That thing hangs being the cheapest and 2nd smallest. I was a doubter of SVS too but this looks legit!

[@JilesMcCoy]

Glad I could help! I’ll be dropping another like this soon!

[@zoroluva]

@@JilesMcCoy I hope it's before Black Friday sales...lol

[@JilesMcCoy]

The best black friday deal on subs will be the Starke Sound SW15. No one beats that sale. @@zoroluva

[@zoroluva]

​@@JilesMcCoy never even heard of Starke Sounds. Thank you!!!

[@shadrachjackson752]

Thanks Jiles. Like you said, that little 12" did an amazing job for it's size. Also It seems like the Velodyne 18 did very well in the lows, almost the best overall, but the cost to yield rato just doesn't add up. The Kraken seems to have beat the UM-18 in the lower lows. I think I'm a little disappointed in the UM-18, I always thought of it as king of the lower frequencies based on the reviews that I've read Lol. However, looks like the Kraken could be the one to beat so far. Thanks again for the info buddy.

[@JilesMcCoy]

My favorite "high end" sub is the 18 Velo DD+ still. For a single 18 it is stunningly good. But you are right about the cost issue. Its super pricy. If I can find another used somewhere that might be all I ever need.

[@shadrachjackson752]

@@JilesMcCoy Right. I did like the line that the Velo created. I mean man! that was nice. It's like you really didn't need any EQ to help the low frequencies.... I think i'm going to go back and watch it again. But yes. I think between the Velo and the Kraken, those two are pretty good. The Kraken didn't drop off as much as the UM-18, which actually has a lower fs. I'm still a little shocked by that.

[@JilesMcCoy]

@@shadrachjackson752 Remember that all the big boys had more left in the tank... so they all could go louder.

[@shadrachjackson752]

@@JilesMcCoy That's true.

[@EVMANVSGAS]

I love you in depth reviews and all the things you have taught me. I really wish you had a mic that could actually test the spl difference past your mic clipping level since we can't be there to hear what is sounds like louder to get more than a frequency response comparison. Saying there is more in it's tank is a really rough estimate, i like data. Thanks for the good content.

[@Stan_the_Belgian]

Fact, max spl is quite important, a flat curve is useless below 100db

[@bob-jb8eh]

good morning i would like to buy a subwoofer and i am undecided on which model to choose. i have identified the following models svs sb4000 and jl audio 112. I would use it mainly for cinema, which one would you recommend?

[@stianmartinsen825]

Kraken in the The Decastator, that i want to see! Good video, good info👌👌

[@JilesMcCoy]

Maybe I can build the new Devastator and do that.

[@stianmartinsen825]

@@JilesMcCoy That would be awesome! 🤤🤤

[@edub8803]

Yes, yes, yes. Do this please!

[@EVMANVSGAS]

@@JilesMcCoy Do it, and they will watch :)

[@pascalpeulen2645]

Nice round-up! Would love to see the 18” Ultimax in the sealed enclosure included as well though 😎👍🏻

[@JilesMcCoy]

Right on. One day I will build some more of those!

[@redstang5150]

@@JilesMcCoy With space at a premium, the PE 18" sealed sub is the one I keep thinking will be enough for me - but it's your channel that continues to give me doubt. My room is probably around the size of yours at 14x15, and while I would think dual 18 sealed would be plenty for me, in that smallish room, there you are with the devastator, full and marty cubes in yours. Space for subs is much more of a premium in my room b/c I have 5 theater seats and a 126" projection screen in it so I need to sit against the back wall to be far enough away. I currently have dual ported 12" subs which shake the room, but I feel like I could use some more visceral feel. Getting a devastator in my room though is almost impossible - I wonder how many sealed subs it would take to approach that thing's output? I've though about running maybe even 4 sealed 15 or 18" subs in the front of the room, however I bet that still wouldn't match the impact of the devastator.

[@JilesMcCoy]

@@redstang5150 The 21” Devastator is a TON of output, but I imagine that 4 sealed 18s would give you more bass than you ever could want. I am going to try that experiment in my room too one of these days.

[@redstang5150]

@@JilesMcCoy Wow - that would be super interesting. A friend and I CONSTANTLY discuss the comparison of many smaller subs vs. one or two large ones but there's really no good direct comparisons and personal accounts of that sort of experiment out there. Adding total cost to the equation makes things even more interesting.

[@josealfredfernandes]

@@JilesMcCoy so, as a concluding thought, which is the best subwoofer money can buy?

[@peterorr9798]

Thanks for the great info. You obviously have a ton of experience with the GSG kits. Have any experience with the 21 Evolution sealed enclosure? Wondering how the group delay is, which of course is audible at low frequencies. Thx again!

[@JilesMcCoy]

There isn’t anything specific about the kit that will impact group delay. I hope to build one later this year and drop this Kraken in it and see how it does!

[@audfrknaveen2256]

How are these measurements taken ?? In house ?? Or out in an open ground ?? Distance of microphone ....any such info will be great..... Very enjoyable video 😊😊👍

[@JilesMcCoy]

I believe I called it out in the video. These were indoor nearfield IIRC.

[@audfrknaveen2256]

@@JilesMcCoy thanks a lot for the clarification 😊😊👍

[@fidstang]

You said close mic for the measurements, but didn't say where it was placed. Did you just close mic the powered driver or did you also mic the ports/radiators? Correct close mic method would be to measure both and splice them together.

[@jgspeaks]

Great video. I have a large room and just bought an SVS SB4000. Probably a fantastic sub, but it's just not enough for the space. Thinking about building my own sub and going 18". I dont want a monstrous cabinet so I was thinking a GSG Martysub (ported) or the Dayton Audio 18" Ultimax sub and cabinet bundle (sealed). Thoughts, suggestions?

[@modernbassheads5051]

Get the biggest thing you can fit in that room bro, I suggest multiple 12’s in every corner of the house for the best coverage. Ittl sound better than a large 18” in front of the tv or something, even coverage is what you’re going for

[@johnpizarro919]

Hi Jiles. First off, thank you for creating some of the best reviews of these subs. I’m in the process of replacing my Monolith 13’s for 21’s. My plan is to use them near field. Hope this isn’t a dumb question, but if I’m crossing them over 80hz or under, does it even matter that I choose a sub with strong midbass like the Eminence, or is the quality of the midbass in the area where it crosses over going to be better? I’m leaning towards the Kraken, but I hear so many good things about the Eminence. I plan to put them in a Full Marty. Thoughts or suggestions would be wonderful and respected!

[@JilesMcCoy]

You will be playing the LFE channel up to 120hz on the subs. The 80hz cross over is probably just for the other channels. So you will get to use the subs through the whole range of the LFE track. midbass is 40-60 ish HZ, so you are good. double 21s is going to be ALOT nearfield. Realistically you probably wont notice a functional difference between the two since its going to be soooo much bass anyway. But the Eminence is designed to be a PA speaker most capable at midbass. The Kraken is a home theater sub well suited to lower frequencies.

[@johnpizarro919]

Makes sense! Thank you, Jiles!

[@sherazdotnet]

Great video: Quick question. When you say "Velodyne DD+ 18 sounds sooooo good", what do you mean by that? Compare it with SB2000 Pro sound please as a reference to distinguish what makes Velodyne DD+ 18 sound so good. Thx FYI: I have 4 Devastators in my 19' x 12' x 8 sealed room :-). I used to have marty as well and the difference that I can describe is that Devs have extremely clean Midbass punch. I don't even have a boost in low end for Devs as you mentioned but I do get pretty flat FR across the seats because of having 4 spread in the rooom so that they give good overall FR. I get great room pressurization by just running them only 5dB hot and plenty of punch in Mid Bass. I really don't think anyone would go back to marty once you hear what dev sounds like. I has a very aggressive sound quality to it combined with great TR (assuming you are on a suspended floor).

[@JilesMcCoy]

The Devs are great. Its a bandpass design and you need to enjoy that sound to really like them. And you need the floor space. The DD+18 is my favorite subwoofer of all time. The DD+18 eats the SB2000 from a performance point of view. No comparison.

[@loaked3000]

Only problem with a GSG box is $350+ shipping costs unless your around the L.A. area to pick it up....

[@JilesMcCoy]

That is a bonus for me. Great price!

[@tenehaglendening9246]

What's your thought on klipsch spl-150 or the monolith 15"thx? Does the klipsch compete with the monolith? Thanks in advance

[@JilesMcCoy]

I've never actually heard a SPL-150.

[@silverback71]

Curios to see data on on SVS PB 3000 or the 16s compared to the GSG since they are ported subs. Have you done a comparison?

[@JilesMcCoy]

Ive not unfortunately. I’ve never had access to a 3000 or 16.

[@kevinkepler5671]

Thanks for the review. I really enjoyed hearing your thoughts on these!!

[@JilesMcCoy]

Thanks!

[@jamiet74]

136Hz problem with Marty Cube might be the first port resonance

[@JilesMcCoy]

Makes sense!

[@fidstang]

Agreed, also the enclosure is a cube, so standing waves will increase the dip.

[@TheBassallyear100]

that's exactly what it is. it's the only real issue with the marty cube really. ideally you would want your first port resonance to be at least 2x your low pass x-over setting - so 160 hz FPR for most of us.

[@firecloud77]

The GSG Marty cube is only about 7 cubic feet. Way too small to realize the maximum potential of the UM18-22. Ideally you want to put it in a 12 cubic foot box.

[@JilesMcCoy]

Agreed

[@joeydelmarsjr.646]

yes BUT not everyone has the space or strength to move that box. Company's know this so they dont use huge boxes to set their subs at maximum potential

[@shadrachjackson752]

One thing I just thought about is, if you could please tell me how many internal cubic feet is the Kraken enclosure. Thanks bro.

[@shaneducholke364]

I am in the middle of building two 18" Marty's with B&C 18TBW100-4 pro drivers and already looking at what to add next. I could only fit 1 Devastator or I could go two 18" Johnny Subs (between mini and cube) I may possiblu have the room for 1 Anniolator which is the bug brother to the Devastator. I know you have the one devastator, which option would you recommend? 3 subs with including one devastator or four 18" subs?

[@JilesMcCoy]

What is the room layout going to be like? Where are the 2 18s? where would the other subs go?

[@shaneducholke364]

@@JilesMcCoy both 18s are on their side under the front screen. If a Devastator then would be between my two rear channels, I have 3 rows of seating and MLP is middle row. If I did two more 18s or even 21s one would go in the back corner amd the other would go on the back wall about 70% to the back corner as the fridge and popcorn machine are in the corner. There is the possibility Intake out the back row seats and out a sitting bar behindoddle row amd then have the Devastator on its side under the bar right behind MLP as nearfield. Of that happens then I may be able to add the other two subs as well but further down the road. Most likely one or the other as would have other upgrade ahead of a 3rd round of subs

[@JilesMcCoy]

@@shaneducholke364 I would likely go with a scenario that let me have 4 subs in the room. That will be plenty of bass for sure.

[@shaneducholke364]

@@JilesMcCoy thx, that is what I was thinking, just didn't known of the Devastator would better fill some gaps and provideax performance across the bass spectrum using Minidsp because of its unique design.

[@tone1585]

I’m thinking of buying the b&c 18tbw100-4 over the um18-22 because of reviews what do you think about it

[@horsepowerjunkie9040]

Great vid Jiles. I'll be building a new home with a dedicated theater in the near future. Plan is an approx 33dx20wx9h theater and will be doing 4 Full Marty's (2 behind an ATS screen and 2 in the back corners). What do you think would be best for a theater that size dedicated to movies, 18" um18-22 or Kraken's?

[@JilesMcCoy]

If you want to go balls to the wall go Kraken with a 24000 amp or 2 14000.

[@joshhaimes]

Curious to see the Devastator with the DSP applied. You are showing the 19Hz tuned model, right? Also curious how you placed the mic for the measurements? You mentioned near field and in another video the mic was placed right in front of the cone. I'm not sure that's the right way to measure a ported sub since the sound comes from the port the closer you get to tuning frequency. Anyhow, you have a sweet collection of subs and I'm jealous haha!

[@JilesMcCoy]

Thanks for watching!

[@yanden8277]

velodyne deep blue 15 vs martin logan 1600 ?

[@JilesMcCoy]

I need to get my hands on a deep blue some how!

[@digitalampco7640]

Great job, Jiles (:

[@JilesMcCoy]

Thanks!

[@ulflarsson9693]

Would be interesting so see the arendal subs compared to The other in this chart list then.

[@JilesMcCoy]

Me too!

[@roccobruno8027]

I wonder how the Dayton Audio 21" Kraken would hold up against the Funk Audio 21"?

[@JilesMcCoy]

Great question. I’ve never seen or heard a funk sub.

[@roccobruno8027]

@@JilesMcCoy Harbottle is a vendor that shares Funk Audio subwoofer technology but also offers the driver in Kit form: www.harbottleaudio.com/ridge-subwoofer-kits

[@vegapower454]

I wonder how the NSW6021-6 would sound in a Full Marty?

[@JilesMcCoy]

Pretty good I’d imagine!!!!

[@Scarczar]

I need to compare a few subs i have at home could you please explain how to measure the response? Thank You!

[@jamesbell2525]

What are your thoughts on putting the kraken in one of the devastator boxes tuned at 19 HZ?

[@JilesMcCoy]

Do it!

[@matthewpaul01]

Well now.... I was all set to purchase two Devastator's next month but now you have me thinking. Everyone that talks about them always say they are pretty much as good as it gets for DYI subs for HT. I'm not sure now after looking at the graphs.....

[@JilesMcCoy]

The trick with the Deva is to use the eq to crest the flatter curve. The curve doesn’t show that they lack low end, it shows that they have an amazing amount of mid bass. My top 3 GSG subs are the dev, full marty 21 and Marty cube 18.

[@matthewpaul01]

@@JilesMcCoy If you were to build two Full Marty's what driver would you put in them?

[@TheTruthTeller1111]

Now you need to review a Stereo Integrity 24 inch subwoofer..

[@JilesMcCoy]

You are 100% right!

[@myonedog]

Do you have a link to where you demo the kraken?

[@JilesMcCoy]

Maybe its in the build video?

[@fidstang]

You should do a video with these properly filtered and measured outside at ground plane from 2-4 meters away. Then you would see the superior design and output.

[@JilesMcCoy]

That would be awesome!

[@levrone0075]

10:41 for anyone new to building subwoofers, this point about Fs and the difference between 'PA' drivers and 'Home theatre' drivers is gold dust!

[@JilesMcCoy]

Glad you liked it.

[@thomasmleahy6218]

* Great video, lots of interesting content, can't believe the performance levels of the big boys. Are those blue wall mounts Totems? They look great. Thank you for the video!

[@JilesMcCoy]

Those are Starke Sound on walls. Love those speakers!

[@edub8803]

Awesome review! Can the Kraken Full Marty get to the low 130's?

[@JilesMcCoy]

Thats a good question I don't know the answer to. I never run my subs up in that range so I have no experience with that.

[@JilesMcCoy]

I suppose you can look at the REW charts in the video to see what they are doing at 130... It appears they have good output up there depending on the enclosure they are in. It might be good to do sealed if you are trying for that.

[@AnastasiyaMeleshina]

Hello. Excellent video. I liked all three GSG but not one will fit in my small apartment.

[@veeclash4157]

Devastator's curve didn't impress me. Kraken and Velodyne look like the most powerful bass thumpers by far but considering they have 18" and 21" drivers and the price, then of course they should perform the best. SB2000 Pro is probably the best 'value' sealed woofer reviewed for 'near field' listening. Nice comps. But if you could only have one - which one would you buy for your personal use?

[@JilesMcCoy]

The Dev requires DSP. Dont judge by the raw curve. For a DIY sub if I can go huge it would be the Dev or something in a 24. Prebuilt prefinished probaby Perlisten 215s or a big ported 18 from someone. Never heard a JTR so cant comment on those. I worry they soundlike PA subwoofers.

[@Pentenfi]

The SVS sealed subs must have strong Eqing, otherwise there is no way a sub in such a small box could be so flat down to 20 Hz. What I wonder is how the maximal output goes. At some point either the driver or amp will reach their excursion or temperature limits in such a sealed design

[@JilesMcCoy]

I agree... I think most do to achieve such awesome curves. Its a beautiful sub.

[@herrtrigger7220]

the SVS amp is air cooled from the portion on the outside, the sub motor isn't so lucky. SVS uses heavy duty drivers but if you have room for a ported SVS they are always better. their sealed subs are fighting physics like everyone else, having to use boost to get it done. not the case with their ported models.

[@roliks]

So which one would you choose to watch Interstellar or Jurassic Park BEQ?

[@JilesMcCoy]

Depends a great deal on room size and the amplification you have. Lots of variables.

[@JilesMcCoy]

I would love to see interstellar on BEQ!

[@maincharacter2677]

Could you get videos of these drivers in action? Similar to your other videos which were really popular.

[@dbiagas210]

Love this! I wonder how the pb16’s measures in comparison!

[@JilesMcCoy]

If I ever get my hands on one I will make a vid!

[@richardbouchard1941]

Great video! It reassured my gamble buying 2 Krakens with a gsg bts box design. It's scary how similar my graph was to yours before EQ. Very easy to get that sub flat using REW and the built-in dsp. I'm currently running both on 1 NX6000D amp, 4ohms per channel. Would you suggest I purchase a second amp for a better experience? Amp is all the way up but the receiver SW gain is down to -8. Looking for more tactile feel vs loud.

[@JilesMcCoy]

You can send them more juice. Maybe a FP14000?

[@richardbouchard1941]

@@JilesMcCoy why not just buy another nx6000d and run one per sub?

[@JilesMcCoy]

You cant bridge a 6000 to one channel. The guts of a 6000 are basically 2 bridged 3000's.

[@richardbouchard1941]

@@JilesMcCoy Thanks for the info. It would have been very frustrating figuring that out after buying another one. Haha So I'm assuming your charts are using one channel for the Kraken or did you use a different amp?

[@JilesMcCoy]

@@richardbouchard1941 I was using a bridged Crown 1502 on this video I believe.

[@obijuan8466]

Looks to me like the SVS kicks everything's ass. If price were considered, you could buy a 16 Ultra, which would utterly destroy the rest. And according to dozens of audio reviewers it's the ONE.

[@JilesMcCoy]

I’ve never had one in my room before, but they do bring the goods!

[@mikemorrell2001]

What amps are you using for your GSG 18” in your home theater setup? Is it the same as what you ran the test off of?

[@JilesMcCoy]

I’ve always used a Sinbosen FP10000q.

[@mikemorrell2001]

@@JilesMcCoy thank you for the fast reply. Great video

[@AP-go1ks]

This was great! Seems the Velodyne DD18+ had the best performance and curve

[@JilesMcCoy]

Its a wonderful subwoofer.

[@ryankramer]

At the price of a mini DSP, you could get a similar flatter response with the DIY route plus a few thousand back in your pocket.

[@shaneducholke364]

It is over a$5k and the DIY can be make for under $2k for duals. Take 2 DIY and they will kill the Velodyne at less than half the price

[@JilesMcCoy]

@@shaneducholke364 I agree with that. But if you are looking at the Velo DIY isn't going to be in your vocabulary. The Velo is an AMAZING subwoofer. Just two different target markets.

[@shaneducholke364]

@@JilesMcCoy very true, DIY was never in my vocabulary until I seen the cost of the performamce I wanted and decided on Marty's 🤣🤣🤣

[@95redchevy]

This was a good video. I hope one day you make the same type of video but with more affordable subwoofers. I would say in the 500 to 1000 range. Thanks

[@JilesMcCoy]

On the list!

[@johnsmith-qz4bv]

great video....

[@JilesMcCoy]

Thanks!

[@austinsmith8448]

Thought you said there would be a video to follow-up on the 21” Marty with LaVoce driver

[@JilesMcCoy]

Sorry, there wont be. I don't own a Lavoce driver any longer.

[@austinsmith8448]

@@JilesMcCoy you did a video on it a while back. I thought it was LaVoce. Maybe it was something else. It was a 21” Marty with one of the pro drivers.

[@JilesMcCoy]

That's the one. I did a build with a Lavoce 21". I don't have that sub any longer though.

[@justinhampton1016]

Give stereo integrity drivers a shot

[@michaelfessenden8601]

Impedance rise usually shows a rise and drop on these graphs

[@JilesMcCoy]

Right on

[@audioarkitekts]

Nice 👍🏻

[@JilesMcCoy]

Thanks!

[@narmale]

heh, my sub is 18 years old... i'll put it against any of these :3 Thomas Nosuaine was my mentor btw

[@JilesMcCoy]

What is it?

[@narmale]

@@JilesMcCoy IB with a Vd of 19.2 L although... to bad the Kraken doesnt fit the profile Qts / Vas for IB... cuz man... now that would be crazy at 7L x 8

[@DavidCastonguay]

very good video👍

[@JilesMcCoy]

Thank you 👍

[@TheJoeyPeacock]

Loved this video!! 1). What amp/power did you use for the non-powered subs? 2). What do you estimate the MSRP would be for the Kraken if it were a company-built product? 3). I know this would be almost impossible to do, but a shoot-out between a JTR Captivator RS2, the JL Audio Fathom f212v2, the SVS 16 Ultra, the Procella Audio V18, the PRO AUDIO TECHNOLOGY LFC-21sm, the REL No. 25, and the Paradigm Persona SUB would be sooooooooooooooooooooooooo interesting to see how these "king of the hill" bad boys compare.

[@JilesMcCoy]

Hey! 1) Behringer NU6000 2) ~3500 3) I would love to do an in depth shoot out with those. I would look to do some real compression measurements to find top end SPL for those too. Fun stuff!

[@FalconsATL]

Martin Logan is so overpriced! There are Subs out there for nearly half the cost that’s just as good or better!

[@jasonc.3709]

Hello, I was ready buy a hsu research VTF-3 MK5 HD, but since I came across your videos and a couple of others. I think I could put a little more in and build two of these. I was looking at Daytons new max x series 15. Close to the same specs as the ultimax. Have you looked into these yet? Curios on how they perform? Thanks

[@JilesMcCoy]

Ive never heard the HSU before.

[@iyona14granturismogt6gtspo7]

Young man it's clear you need the Mini DSP 2×4 HD...

[@JilesMcCoy]

Got one :-)

[@iyona14granturismogt6gtspo7]

@@JilesMcCoy waiting for some update videos showing the mini dsp correcting some of those nulls,and just reshaping some of the responses.

[@josephpsmithe]

Why do they call the devastator a horn when it’s clearly a 6th order bandpass.....

[@JilesMcCoy]

Mysteries of life!

[@modernbassheads5051]

And my diy subwoofer shits on every single one of those for only a couple of hundred bucks lol 12” sub in a 6th order bandpass rear chamber tuned to 20 front tuned to 40, it can play down to 10hz and up to 60 pretty flat.

[@JilesMcCoy]

I will put the 18s up against that 12 any day of the week…

[@YouSoundButtHurt]

Probably sounds like trash.

[@michael-4k4000]

We need to get back to basics......

[@JilesMcCoy]

Basics!

[@MrBonger88]

What amazes me is that the MicroVee got to 117db at any frequency

[@JilesMcCoy]

Its an overachiever for sure!

[@JSchurter]

You must have a happy room, I can only hit 120db with 2 devastators at 80% kill. 800sqft room i have all open What is your setup Avr subout volume Avr MV Sub amp gain knob Rew sweep volume?

[@JilesMcCoy]

Remember this was near field recording. I used a Acurus Act 4 piped to a miniDSP 2x4 hd to a Behringer nu6000.

[@JSchurter]

@@JilesMcCoy NF mic in front of the speaker vs MLP ?

[@JilesMcCoy]

@@JSchurter Can you be more specific with your question?

[@JSchurter]

@@JilesMcCoy Sorry, what is NF ? I do all mine testing in the MLP

[@JilesMcCoy]

@@JSchurter near field?

[@holyindian]

You should have left SVS out or big brands like Martin Logon, and reviewed Harbottle instead, your last podcast has created a huge amount of curiosity among the enthusiasts. How could you leave it completely out after raving all about it last week?

[@JilesMcCoy]

I don’t have a Harbottle subwoofer....

[@shaneducholke364]

Hard to demo what you don't have. I am hoping Jiles does a Sale kit and gets a Harbottle, their Ridge Drivers look amazing. I know a couple guys that just got them amd they are blown away with their performance