7 Incredible Boss Weapons That Sucked When You Got Them

[@GamerTreeProductions]

Pyramid Head’s Giant Knife is intentionally unwieldy and hard to use. It’s described as being a “burden on whoever wields it” and can actually one shot one of the bosses in Silent Hill 2 if I remember correctly. It’s a curse and James having it is not a good thing.

[@bustinarant]

*You* try telling the cameraman what he can't do..

[@suicidalbanana5168]

Well it Mirrors Pyramid head's exact walk and attacking style in the game's way to represent James is basically like Pyramid head as well right?

[@adamfrost8313]

@@suicidalbanana5168 its foreshadow the fact that pyramid head is James projection of himself.

[@revolver265]

Hearsay from another comment but: if you leave your flashlight off, and just drag it around like Pyramid Head, monsters will leave you alone as Pyramid Head goes after other monsters too

[@raymondfisheriii791]

If I’m remembering correctly, it’s a burden to the user because it’s supposed to represent the weight of one’s guilt, and since Silent Hill tends to pick up people with some really heavy baggage they need to unpack, anyone who would find the great knife will automatically have a hard time using it because of that. It’s a really cool concept to put into a weapon, honestly

[@tomfoolery597]

The Axe of Godfrey wasn’t doing anything because they didn’t have enough strength to use it. If they did there would have been a massive shockwave after planting the axe and they’d have started glowing red. That indicates a damage boost and a new heavy attack moveset. Still suffers from being a colossal weapon but it can be a fun niche in pvp that most people underestimate since the range of the shockwave is so large and the heavy attacks are so strong

[@grogueQ]

Axes have been buffed. It's real decent now.

[@scootboot69420]

Dont forget, Its Shockwave bypass shields and do full damage even when blocking, and for bosses it does good poise damage

[@warriorfire8103]

Ya I saw they weren't using it with required stats. I mean that's what happens with any weapon you dont have the stats for. Someone got lazy when they couldn't finish the list.

[@kmpzz2]

thank you! Weapon arts dont work when u have no stats for them...

[@zanjitashin6164]

Came here for basically this. It's also kinda disingenuous to do a showcase of "see how bad it is?" by using it with a character that can't even statistically use the weapon

[@stanthestegosaurus1457]

Only thing I gotta point out is this: Johnny Silverhand's gun is actually still good *if* you spec into a build for it that basically makes you Johnny himself, since the gun in the actual lore was custom designed and made for his chrome arm.

[@DanStaal]

Also, CP2077 has item damage at spawn be determined by your level - a common weapon that spawns when you're level 50 is going to be much stronger than even a legendary iconic weapon you got towards the beginning of the game. This can be made up for somewhat with the crafting mechanic, though it may take more components than it's worth.

[@thedarkwolfzearoth]

Indeed, was the most deadly weapon in my gunslinger builds arsenal.

[@HeinerGunnar]

Yeah but it can't give you the flamethrower melee, which was the coolest thing about fighting as Silverhand

[@Canadian_Zac]

@@HeinerGunnar I never thought the flamethrower was from the gun. It very much looks it its coming from his arm, which is not the gun. So it was clearly a Johnny thing, and not a gun thing

[@thedarkwolfzearoth]

@@HeinerGunnar No, it does in fact have the explosive melee bash

[@DRCEQ]

To be fair to Devil May Cry, the possession of both brother's swords is a plot point across many of the games. It's pretty much implied that Virgil would not be capable of using Dante's own swords with as much efficiency as Dante himself can.

[@horse_tornado7820]

Remember at the end of Dmc 3, when they are each holding one of dantes guns? “remember what we used to say? Jackpot!”

[@dreamcream3738]

@@horse_tornado7820 Guns are the Great Equalizer

[@TheDangerNoodle]

iirc, Dante himself even mentions that his way of using the Yamato is just a weak imitation of Vergil’s effortless excellency with the blade.

[@christopheranderson2279]

It's funny, because in DMC5, Virgil uses a false Force Edge in a similar style to Dante and his run with the blade

[@TheDangerNoodle]

@@christopheranderson2279 well, Vergil actually has always used the Force/Mirage Edge blades in *tandem* with the Yamato, duel wielding them, because hes not nearly as experienced with the force edge. In DMC 5 he has multiple combos and attacks like Deep Stinger that are stated to specifically use the Yamato as well as the Mirage Edge.

[@kat-liqueur1120]

The only reason that Dante couldn't use the Yamato correctly was due to his lack of MOTIVATION

[@justinroux1610]

Hes not the storm that approaches

[@RayzeCruxis]

He's not provoking black clouds in isolation

[@jotheunissen9274]

He's not reclaimer of his naaaaaaaame

[@thegameplayer125]

he wasn't born in flames or blessed and doesn't have a crest that's a demon of death

[@otaku2567]

I support this notion

[@raulrojas9253]

The thing with Dante and Yamato is that the sword is not his style, he doesn't like using his decease brother's signature weapon, you can feel that he clearly had some sort of respect and love for his at the time death brother, Nero does use the sword way better but you can clearly see Dante holding back in the entire game.

[@clothar23]

Nero could only use the Yamato during his Devil Trigger so I would argue he's even worse at it. And after losing his arm ( or rather Vergil taking it back ) and losing Yamato he can't even manage that.

[@wolfwarrior1176]

I mean you CAN use some of the combos with the blade. Its just not dantes preferred weapon

[@kuroiryu9434]

More than that the Yamato is the physical manifestation of Virgils power just as the Rebellion is the manifestation of Dantes. I imagine no amount of training would let Dante fully use the Yamato and vice versa for Virgil and the Rebellion.

[@clothar23]

@@kuroiryu9434 Dead wrong there mate. Both Yamato and Rebellion were the property of Sparda. Dante doesn't manifest his own Devil Arm until 5 and Vergil never manages it.

[@xenowarrior282]

@@clothar23 Nero could use the Yamato without DT. Canonically, he goes through the entirety of the last 2 missions with just Yamato and the Devil Bringer.

[@SpaceNerd117]

Regarding the Sword of Eden in Unity, the really outrageous thing is that there are one or two swords that you can purchase in the store that have equal stats.

[@jordanholloman5907]

Also a DLC sword with the exact same stats.

[@robber233]

sword of eden requires 2 AA apples of eden to work

[@pockylovingranger]

Not to mention that Eivor can get one if you finish every Tomb of the Fallen xD

[@allenbeal2827]

Well Unity has a in game reason for the sword of eden being weak when we get it due to it being broken after the fight with the boss

[@robber233]

@@allenbeal2827 lets not lie to ourselves though, ubisoft just didnt wanna make custom animations for the player using the sword.

[@Lesion411]

I honestly thought the coiled sword would’ve made the list. When the Soul of Cinder uses it he can transform it from a greatsword into a spear, curved sword, staff, an ultra greatsword, yet when we get it all we can do is throw down a row of fire

[@Lesion411]

@@nolongeraperson never knew how bad they actually were since I never used them in actual combat. I got them just to add them to my collection

[@paha4209]

Never used the dancer swords but I thought nameless kings spear was really disappointing.

[@darkjackl999]

@@Lesion411 i respecced to use them and even going max ulgrades n 40 40 40 40 stats i was doing less dmg than my previous quality build with the lothric knight sword

[@richardellis8153]

That axe is decent if you have the stat requirement. The poise it gives you during the attacks I was able to attack non stop through the rune bear attacks and kill it. In a streight slug fest

[@Michael_Lindell]

When I beat Dracula I got his teeth. They sucked.

[@eburel506]

Literally

[@scarymeunster9095]

I think you mean when you bit him.

[@Michael_Lindell]

@@scarymeunster9095 Fangs for that correction!

[@jackychang9148]

Kind of a prick weapon really

[@joshuagarz7003]

Hazah a man of quality.

[@firerath]

Just wanted to point out that Dante's usage of the Yamato in DMC4 is almost exactly the same as Vergil's moveset in DMC3 minus rapid slashes and upper slash.

[@jadenknott]

It even has it's own version of judgement cut

[@keithsnow534]

The probkem is the skill required to use it as dante is alot higher then when playing vergil. Since its not accessed by regular means and is locked to a style then a weapons slot so using it with dante's play style is alot harder

[@Zhiijue]

@@keithsnow534 That's because D4nte is arguably the hardest character to master in the entire series.

[@keithsnow534]

@@Zhiijue you mean video games in general seriously cant think of anther video game charater with as many attacks and abilities able to be use on the fly as dante. Bayonetta is probably the closest

[@Zhiijue]

@@keithsnow534 No, I mean D4nte is the hardest character to master in the entire DMC Series. D4nte means DMC4 Dante specifically. I believe it's D4nte, N5ro, and V3rgil that are the hardest to master. The numbers mean which game they're from btw; Terminology from the community to make things shorter.

[@alzingafagan7501]

To be fair, Just like Johnny, His Malorian is technically a relic to be treasured so of course it would need plenty of work to get to the same head exploding level that it was 50 years prior.

[@ZeroOmega-vg8nq]

Doesnt it also immediately fix most of its issues by building it from the schematic at epic or legendary level?

[@alzingafagan7501]

@@ZeroOmega-vg8nq yep, and depends on your build and your level when you get it, it will scale to you

[@boxhead6177]

@@alzingafagan7501 Also we don't know what Johnny attributes/perks were in the past, he could of been a Reflex 20, Cool 20 badass. ... also the screens from the video. L26. But I do think to other Legendary/Iconics it was low on "bonus stats" compared to other pistols. If your specced for pistols, often you were silenced revolver and using stealth. If you were shooting through walls, you were using Widowmaker.

[@alzingafagan7501]

@@boxhead6177 ok I can agree with the 20 cool, but Johnny with 20 reflex? Unlikely. Not saying he wasn't a gunslinger build, just not a 20 in reflex gunslinger build

[@kellendreas7384]

Or just a solid pistol build with like 2 upgrades and itll one shot people

[@sharkjumpingwalrus6744]

Bear in mind that Dante and Virgil both got different aspects of the powers of the demon Sparda. So Virgil's sword is designed to help him make the most of the powers he got from Sparda. I imagine that Virgil would have the same issues if he tried to use Dante's sword.

[@w.mccartney431]

you would actually be right, this is why Virgil loses his final fight against Dante in dmc3, because he tries to use the Sparda instead of Yamato during that duel, even though the sparda, as has been shown many times, fits dante much better than virgil.

[@Spirit_of_Yubel]

It's an interesting detail. It's implied that Dante and Vergil share the same ability of Instant Devil Arm Mastery (Dante's got 5 games to show that off; Vergil showcased it with Beowulf), but when it comes to each other's weapons/style, there's a very clear issue that Dante can't unleash the full power of Yamato, while Vergil can't use the Force Edge as effectively. Which is why they both keep *Their* weapon on hand when using their opposite weapon. (Dante's Dark Slayer is a Style; Vergil still wields Yamato in tandem with Force/Mirage Edge and often dual wields the two.)

[@artorhen]

Ironic that Vergil is the best at using the sword that opens up portals to hell casually.

[@anon_y_mousse]

I hope there's a part two because there are plenty more disappointing boss weapons. And I hope there's a video on boss weapons that lived up to their promise, because there are some good ones.

[@SolaScientia]

Seconded! Especially for boss weapons that are worth it. The Hollowslayer Greatsword you can get from transposing the soul of the Curse-Rotted Greatwood spring to mind immediately. Farron Greatsword from the Abyss Watchers' soul is another one.

[@roguishpaladin]

I wish that the bosses in Kid Icarus actually used the treasures, because those would fit the good theme perfectly.

[@andimari9194]

Cavalier Angelo from dmc5. One of the best boss weapons

[@IndyMiraaga]

Another one from Cyberpunk would be Guts. I think it may be the best shotgun in the game, I have only once found a shotgun that beats it in DPS but after a single level-up Guts came back out on top. And its previous owner was an absolute boss.

[@3possumsinatrenchcoat]

two words: Dead Cells. particularly if you've fought the Queen. "oh dang! stabby thing that slices through spacetime itself? surely nothing could possibly kill me when I have this-" *is immediately killed by a random enemy*

[@KarmasAB123]

You know what kind of sucks (not a lot, but enough)? The Demon's Great Hammer in Dark Souls 1. You have to beat the Asylum Demon unarmed at level 1 to get it or in NG+, and it's worse than the Demon's Great Axe which is just a rare drop from a boss that becomes a regular enemy later.

[@scootboot69420]

you can also bring firebombs as your starting gift and beat asylum that way and still get the hammer

[@KarmasAB123]

@@scootboot69420 But you can't use it for a while and, as I said, it's worse than the Demon Great Axe.

[@scootboot69420]

@@KarmasAB123 I was ststing that ng+ or unarmed arent the only 2 ways of getting it

[@King_of_69s]

@@KarmasAB123 which is used by a later boss

[@Cuiasodo]

Point of order; Jonny's flashbacks are implied to be colored by his own ego. He does massive damage, sure, but he's also a bit of a narcissist, so the exact power level of his gun is debatable.

[@GoldTheWriter]

I mean if I was remembering myself taking down a while building of bad guys I'd rather remember it as bad one hit like instead of having to unload half a clip into each enemy. You don't really feel like a badass against bullet sponges.

[@jacksonlewison518]

Fun fact: just like pyramid heads “knife”, most knifes are able to kill someone in one hit

[@SuperBatSpider]

It makes a bit of sense. A weapon made for someone else, that they have tons of experience with. When you try using their weapon it’s not that good for you.

[@moralityisnotsubjective5]

Yes, you would have to train to get the same level of skill. How many of us could simply pick up any weapon and use it proficiently?

[@zionleach3001]

That's probably why Dante has short cutscenes of using new weapons.

[@pockylovingranger]

Since you guys mentioned The Sword of Eden, when you finish all the Tombs of the Fallen in Valhalla, you unlock an extra dungeon like area that gives Eivor one of those weapons…complete with the laser beam being shot out of it whenever you lock-on to an enemy :D

[@ZeroOmega-vg8nq]

Its not a boss weapon then lol and even in valhalla its still a nerfed version shooting one blade beam vs the literal lightning and the implied mind control/ rally power it had when weilded by other historic figures. I really hate how the eden sword was retconed to no longer be excalibur.

[@pockylovingranger]

@@ZeroOmega-vg8nq It’s still better than the one Arno gets xD

[@DamnDaimen]

Did they add that recently? Back when I played it the tombs of the fallen gave armor that makes you poop a bomb when you got hit.

[@GoldTheWriter]

@@DamnDaimen that was only the first half of the Tombs. More recently they added the second half of them, with you receiving the sword upon beating all of the Tombs.

[@drfake1110]

I was so dissapointed when i first got the sword of eden. The sword of suger definitely made up for the lack of a cool ability

[@philippegauvin-vallee9371]

I was about to mention it. The Sword of Suger is definitely cooler.

[@drfake1110]

@@philippegauvin-vallee9371 indeed

[@alternativecrinkz4873]

I felt the same way lmao. It had good stats though which it had going for it.

[@ultimapower6950]

Well it’s a sword so that’s probably half of why the sword sucks

[@drfake1110]

@@ultimapower6950 swords are pretty good in unity

[@hopeful6489]

The Yamato part makes sense as to why it isn't as good when you use Dante with it than Vergil. Due to Vergil training with the Yamato and gaining knowledge of it's true power he creates more techniques but on the other hand, Dante just picked it up which only allows him to use basic knowledge from when Vergil and Dante sparred as children

[@clothar23]

Which is funny since Vergil doesn't get Yamato until both his parents buy the farm. And the thing isn't even his personal Devil Arm like Force Edge was for Sparda. Adding that Dante has the most varied arsenal of the DMC cast and shows no trouble using newly acquired gear at its max efficiency. They're just pandering to Vergil's fanbase.

[@Prince__Teclis]

@@clothar23 I mean technically Vergil got it before his mother died, albeit by a few minutes at best as he was the first attacked.

[@diannerenard]

One needs to be a massive weeaboo to wield the yamato properly. Dante likes western stuff, so his weeaboo levels are too low to embrace the path of the samurai

[@hopeful6489]

@@diannerenard Can't blame dante, we got Michael Jackson over here and nobody can hate Michael Jackson

[@nohbodyhughno1121]

@@diannerenard hahhahahaha

[@ralphbutcher7294]

In Baldurs gate the final boss wields the sword of chaos a two handed sword +5 with a few other effects that he can easily cleave you in two with, in the sequel you get offered the sword in exchange for freeing a djinn but because it’s no longer infused with the bosses godly might it’s now only a +2 weapon and rapidly outclassed by other weapons you find

[@SymbioteMullet]

But you can later recruit that final boss and give it to him again, which is... nice, i guess?

[@SirStanleytheStumbler]

@@SymbioteMullet ya but unfortunately it doesn't improve for him

[@SymbioteMullet]

@@SirStanleytheStumbler and that's why it's _just_ nice... i guess

[@daviddaugherty2816]

It's mentioned that it was made for Sarevok's hand and lost power when he died. On the other hand, I beat him and to the victor go the spoils, so *I* should have the badass weapon that destroyed me so many times.

[@Nico-the-Nacho]

Dante literally says "not bad for a cheap imitation" after pulling off a judgement cut with Yamato. I think this implies he's clearly merely emulating Vergil while using the thing.

[@frorociousexpress]

he's talking about the hellgate that the Order of the Sword had made

[@I-sparkydash-I]

I saw the video title and imediately thought of the Dancer's Swords. Those are only viable for Fashion Souls, but there they shine.

[@ReeperRiopel]

they are absolutely terrible, but the video of them using them (probably unupgraded) exclusively in the dlc where every weapon is weak is kinda messed up

[@ApophisProminence]

The dancer's battle is such a majestic thing and they screwed her weapons so much that it had to be some sort of screw up from them.

[@ApophisProminence]

Also it's my impression on whoever's character is at 11:15 looks a lot like Jon Snow.

[@failurextreme7084]

I don't understand this. I'm currently doing a DS3 playthrough and the Dancers blades have been absolutely shredding through everything in the mid game. Like this seems to be a common opinion that they suck but I absolutely love them.

[@MrGhostTheBigRoast]

@@ApophisProminence no, its just how the mechanics works. split dmg is dog in ds3, and the sword needed split dmg for lore. also its a perfectly good weapon for the vast majority of players who will never pvp. the video used unupgraded ones for the footage also on an ideal build, its not actually that bad.

[@DampenedHorizon]

I instantly loved the Dancer in DS3 and when I was going for the platinum trophy I had to do multiplayer invasions for covenant items. When I realised I had to do multiplayer (which I can't stand BTW) I decided I would cosplay as the Dancer with their armour and weapons. It actually went really well, the swords are easy to parry and slow if you miss but most people aren't expecting it and if you get that first hit they are basically stun locked until they die. I love the Dancer of the Boreal Valley and their swords.

[@TaurusTheCrazyBull]

So the weapon Is better used In PvP as opposed to PvE (unless you're fighting someone who understand how to deal with It)

[@ryudarkness4564]

I always used the yamato in dmc4 as a shieldbreaker, it couldn't be blocked, or at least it wouldn't break your combo and you could just go on as if nothing happend Found it more usefull than Lucifer

[@horse_tornado7820]

i really only used Lucifer to quickly incapcitate Blitz.

[@texting7856]

The weapon you get in sh2 is actually the other half of pyramid heads scissor blade. Which is fitting because Pyramid head himself is other half of james' psyche

[@StarkeRealm]

There's a goofy thing about Johnny's handcannon: Technically it's a dual stat weapon. Most of the time, power weapons scale with Reflexes while tech weapons scale with technology, however, Johnny's pistol is flagged as both, meaning you need to put points into both attributes to get the most value out of the gun.

[@pugking1233]

I'll keep that in mind if I ever actually buy the game

[@seb24789]

Oh so that's why it says Power on it despite having the Tech wallshooting ability. I thought it just had the wrong description. Also fun fact: in the tabletop, it's Smart.

[@setsuna1f1seiei]

apparently it isnt, it just has the ability to shoot through walls

[@StarkeRealm]

@@setsuna1f1seiei If you have a ballistic co-processor installed, you can ricochet with it. IIRC, it switches between modes depending on whether you're ADSing or not. It'll ricochett on hipfire, and penetrate with the iron sights.

[@SebasTian58323]

I got it when I was already max level and even then going into the final mission it was killing most anything with one or two headshots and I could use the awesome flame quick attack so I was happy with it. Hell, I used it to finish off Atom Smasher. It was easily one of the best weapons I had, along with my awesome katana and my 0'Five rifle

[@riksweeney]

I'm so glad I'm not the only one who gets confused with the Elden Ring names. During my fight against Melina I summoned Malenia and then proceeded to get beaten up by both of them.

[@EirPlen]

"Imagine what he could do with a full pair of scissors" Sundowner: allow me to introduce myself

[@necroarcanistxiii]

Red Sun over Paradise intensifies.

[@BoredwhaSphere]

*"Just like i said Jack! KIDS ARE CRUEL! And I LOVE MINORS!"*

[@CharlesBalls69]

I'm fucking invi- *invincible title card* did you see that Jack?

[@DarkspinedZim]

Those were slow but their power was great. Combined with Ripper Mode it brings any enemy and even some bosses to their knees when it connects.

[@MrGhostTheBigRoast]

OK the godfrey axe while not being the best weapon in the game is still 100% decent fully upgraded and at a reasonable level 120 ish. Yeah its slow but the weapon art is pretty cool, does a chunk of damage, stunlocks, buffs damage and changes the heavy attack animations which paired with decent poise armour, works pretty well. Luke didnt even show footage of the weapon being used properly, the character didnt even meet the min req. sadge.

[@corywilson2974]

Glad I wasn't the only one who saw that they didn't even have the stat requirements.

[@dartdevious561]

COULDN'T EVEN TWO-HAND THE WEAPON, WEAK INT/DEX TARNISH

[@HanabiraKage]

It's also just gotten buffed, so it's even better now.

[@insaincaldo]

Paused just to go look for who else noticed his ineffective attempt at using it, then blaming the weapon. Though I have no idea if it is actually high tier in the right hands.

[@HanabiraKage]

@@insaincaldo Apparently it's decent, especially after the recent buff, but not godlike or anything like that. Probably still just as usable as most other colossal swords, if not more.

[@TheTrueGOATS]

Gwyn's sword from the first Dark Souls. Goes from a big flaming sword to a big LAME-ing sword.

[@JackSilver1410]

Nice one, Brock.

[@JohnDiesByTheEnd]

Funny enough, the Dancer's swords were actually overpowered when DS3 first came out, spawning spin-to-win into DS3. They then shortly got nerfed into the ground by fromsoft.

[@mypsizllez]

It may be my faulty memory but i played DS3 day 1 and dancers blades were never good except super briefly in PVP. People were just bad and got rekt but week 1 metas formed fast and dark sword and CCS with bleed resin dominated 2016. And then they were always bad in PVE because of just how damage is calculated with resists and all that.

[@JohnDiesByTheEnd]

@@mypsizllez I should correct my statement, they were better back then. The blades had better hit-stun, lower stamina cost for the art, and had better scaling until one of the first patches. They were really good in pvp and most likely better in pve than they are now. Sadly now they are garbage unless there's a mod involved.

[@ingressman1992]

fair burn on the Phoenix Suns as well

[@davidbennettracing538]

Andy’s comic delivery is brilliant.

[@MrHarrisonJBig]

As far as the axe of Godfrey, you have to meet the weapon required stats for its full effect, you displayed what happens when your Stats don't meet the requirements

[@schmecklin377]

Fr its actually pretty sweet

[@patrikhjorth3291]

Fun fact: "A gang of murderous Teletubbies" is actually the title of the (unfortunately cancelled) movie sequel to the well-known TV series. It also _does_ sound like an interesting idea for a video game, though Ubisoft kind of botched their attempt at it.

[@Heero6]

I don't know if anyone else has mentioned these, but the sword of damokles and staff of Hermes from assassin's creed odyssey: if you fight the owners of the two weapons, they can use the weapons to fire blasts of energy at you, but you can't do that when you get them

[@therockhova21]

The grafted dragon from godrick goes from the literal head of a giant dragon to something you get from the bottom shelf of a chuck e cheese

[@Glzglxhl]

But the absolute amount of damge the grafted dragon can dish out makes it a bad example in this case. That is if you have a specific build for it

[@michaelhuff7712]

The assaultron head gun can be extremely useful, if paired with the ghoulish perk, which will automatically heal your radiation damage and heal you at the same time, through each radiation point.

[@Janoha17]

Or Power Armor.

[@michaelhuff7712]

@@Janoha17 That definitely works, too. I did not think of that.

[@marybdrake1472]

It honestly makes sense that Dante wouldn't be as good with Yamato, he doesn't have Virgil's experience with the sword or style. It is pretty awesome to watch Virgil go though, what of it can be seen.

[@kurosakikun96]

Experience doesn't matter with Devil Arms, they usually house the soul of the demon they are named for and impart the knowledge and ability to their wielder, so if the weapon recognises you as it's master you automatically become a beast with it

[@IamaPERSON]

@@kurosakikun96 kind of like Soul Edge from Soulcalibur, minus the demonic possession

[@unilastation2692]

I think the biggest reason Dante couldn't use the Yamato well is due to his lack of "motivation". He sure seemed motivated when getting the King Cerberus weapon though.

[@marybdrake1472]

@@unilastation2692 Dante is kind of hard to figure out sometimes. His motivation seems almost based on whim in certain moments.

[@unilastation2692]

@@marybdrake1472 True. Also, he needs a plastic chair.

[@zeraoreon]

(suggestion) Castle Crashers: the "Evil Wizard" boss at the end of the gives you a sword that before had the power to send down fireballs, however, once it gets into yours hands, it pretty much only gives a stat boost (along with a 2% chance of burning, but who cares about that.) Also, since you just finished the final boss, you can now enter the insane store, giving you access to a more powerful weapon.

[@chasevaccaro8468]

For the final boss's last effort, a 6 magic, 1strength, 2 defense, 1 agility, with a 5% chance of burn would be nice.

[@robertwilsonjr.1384]

I suggest Sledge's shotgun from Borderlands 1. He could lay waste to you with it if you aren't careful, but when you get it you realize it's high damage is nullified by it's 0.0% accuracy.

[@ZOMBslayersRus]

If you shoot at point blank range, you destroy nearly everything. Who cares about 0% accuracy.

[@craigfunk3453]

@@ZOMBslayersRus don't forget all the knockback it had for messing with corpses and such 'YEETS bodies off into space'

[@maggi98mw]

Naaah sledge's is great for when you get it in the first 2 playthroughs. It's not great at max level tho

[@metalboy5150]

Yeah, I gotta disagree. If you're worrying about accuracy, you're using Sledge's Shotgun wrong. Point blank is the way to go with that one.

[@metalboy5150]

@@maggi98mw I actually think it can work later on, too, if you're playing as Roland, using the Heavy Gunner COM with points specced into "Overload," you can fire 5 or 6 shots out of that thing and just obliterate Badasses.

[@leetbaumann]

Okay, it's not really a "boss fight" weapon, but it was iconic. In the Outer World's Murder on Eridanos DLC, you see and hear about the iconic weapon of Halcyon Helen, The Needler, over and over. Just to get it and have to shoot actual, low injury needles filled with things that do so little to everyone. Especially with your battle to Ludovico coming up.

[@ApophisProminence]

You could make a whole video with From Software games. They are a master on making weak boos weapons, probably to compensate how incredibly boss their bosswear are.

[@azuredragoon2054]

I submitted Maliketh's Black Blade because it looks badass, especially with the matching armor set, but suffers quite a bit from being a colossal weapon much like Godfrey's Axe does.

[@ApophisProminence]

@@azuredragoon2054 The 1.07 patch mixed some stuff up and they got some changes, but then again so did most weapons.

[@therighttrousers343]

Firelink Greatsword

[@solabis]

Colossal weapons are only subpar in pvp, i finished first playthrough w colossal weapons, PVE is just down to playstyle and what feels fun to you imo :) Maliketh’s Black Blade is OP af, saw a streamer melting Melania w that ash of war

[@TheDapperDragon]

@@solabis 'laughs in Radahns great swords' Amazing weapons, through and through.

[@Mx_Rae]

I've always liked the thought that the Yamato just was like "nah" about being powerful for Dante cuz it doesn't like him. Spitefully doing the utmost minimum or something.

[@Prince__Teclis]

It does seem to be sentient as we see in a flashback to the attack on their home in the manga of dmc 5 and it straight up just teleports to Vergil when he gets attacked and he's surprised it's there.

[@Mx_Rae]

@@Prince__Teclis Yeah!! :D It did something similar in the DMC3 manga, as well. Devil arms have souls in them, right? I'd assume that gives them some level of sentience. 👀

[@doncinati7644]

Dante can master any sword & style just by observation, except Yamato, as i also believe it’s also embedded with Vergil’s soul

[@MazogaTheDork]

I'd love to see the opposite of this, boss weapons that were useful! I really liked getting the Chaos Blade in Lightning Returns because it made the final boss fight actually winnable.

[@JeedyJay]

Adam's mini-chainsaws in Dead Rising.

[@merchantfan]

Yeah in some way the boss weapon not being great does kind of serve a narrative purpose. You *did* just kill the guy who had this before you. Lot of good it did them

[@GordonNight1]

I think metal blade from mega man 2 should be on the list or atleast an honorable mention. Or maybe tales of xillia devil arms since when you kill the secret boss you can get INFINITE attack stat or artes(basically magic).

[@alduinthetyrant5225]

Blasphemous blade from elden ring is a good example. That thing is so strong.

[@arellajardin8188]

Godrick’s Grafted Dragon, from Elden Ring. Decent damage, but it’s the only fist weapon that doesn’t dual wield by itself, meaning it has a limited moveset compared to other fist (even when powerstanced with other fists). Also, it’s special ability is an uppercut that flings fire all over the floor, as opposed to Godrick’s actually scary flamethrower attack.

[@Glzglxhl]

But if you make a build centered around the grafted dragon you can rack up insane amounts of damage within a decent area

[@Da_mutha_peckin_H.A._double_T.]

When I saw Elden Ring on the list I was fully expecting it to be about the Grafted Sock Puppet.

[@FaptaA]

@@Glzglxhl I can do that with any weapon

[@alduinthetyrant5225]

Bastard's stars as well. They're not awful, but they are worse in almost every regard than the wing of astel which you can find on the run-up to the boss.

[@JeedyJay]

The Sword of Aeons in Fable is an odd example. You only get it in the very end of the game and have to murder your sister to activate it, so its insane power (wildly more damaging than the strongest two-handed weapon while being one-handed) is just for rampaging around the postgame. Then the Lost Chapters came out, adding more story content after the normal ending... and nerfing the Sword of Aeons down to "pretty good, I guess". It also adds a good-guy alternative for proper heroes who don't sacrifice their siblings, and it's statistically identical. As is often the case in morality plays, evil is for suckers.

[@Blue-gp3vn]

The Queen in Dead Cells is terrifically difficult to kill (unless you use a ranged Survival or Tactics build) and uses fantastic abilities with her rapier -- she can cut through reality itself, even, with her blade. After killing her, she drops it, and it might as well be a stick in your hands.

[@sirminty8495]

I had the complete opposite experience with getting Silverhand's pistol. It far outclassed everything I had and continued to until I finished the game. Turns out, you just didn't have the right build for a cover denying, handcannon of a pistol.

[@clothar23]

That's true of all of Cyberpunk's weapon archetypes. Which is one of the combat's biggest con. In order to play on the hardest difficulty setting you have to ultra spec into a specific fighting style and not deviate a centimeter. Which meant most of the weapons are going to feel lackluster.

[@christopheranderson2279]

Very true, however, when compared to a Burya for the same cover denial, the Malorian doesn't mean much. But, I did specify my build to the Burya

[@srsgoblin]

@@clothar23 I'm cool with that though. It's an RPG at heart and most RPGs are that way. Build your character to be good at something and then do that thing to feel strong.

[@clothar23]

@@srsgoblin Very true indeed.

[@Droidsbane]

No the handcannon of Cyberpunk is the Comrade's Hammer, a iconic Burya that has a single mag in the barrel, but it's rounds are explosive, so you'll be taking out several baddies with it. Not dissing the Malorian, just saying Comrade's Hammer a more literal definition of the word handcannon

[@CthulhuianBunny]

What about the various forms of Artorias's Sword in Dark Souls 1? All three require a ridiculous stat spread of at least 18 in dex, faith, and intelligence, on top of a minimum 22 strength, and one of them doesn't even have scaling for faith and intelligence, but scales with how much humanity you are currently holding to a maximum bonus damage of 80.

[@KosmataBradva]

The Cursed version is ass, but the classic isn't bad for the requirements. If you stock up on demon tits, and make it a +4 or something, it will shred OnS. It's one of the strongest weapons in the game. Just needs more stats, compared to others. The Abyss is fine. You just get it way too late in the game to be relevant.

[@EwiwasSmile]

@@KosmataBradva demon tits 😳

[@Taracinablue]

I gather the devs were trying to balance the game and prevent you from becoming too OP, but the robot head one just seems harsh. "You want a really powerful laser? Have a massive dose of radiation!"

[@clothar23]

Which is a real kick in the teeth since with proper perk investment you can do more damage with the run of the mill laser rifle. Without the charging and rads.

[@killertruth186]

I am sure there’s already a way to offset radiation.

[@ChristanKAI]

Intro 0:00 Axe of Godfrey 1:01 Alden sword 3:46 Pyramid heads knife 5:53 Johnny silver hands knife 7:45 Dancers enchanted swords 10:28 Salvaged assaultron head 12:20 Vergil’s Yamato 14:45

[@STRAKAZulu]

I’m sure there’s more than a few examples of this in the Borderlands series.

[@MapleOnCrumpets]

6:11 Andy's delivery is sublime.

[@Etopirynka]

I take into consideration the fact that being badass with that awesome gun is how Johnny remembers it, or wants to remember it ;)

[@nathanjmartucci7849]

I would say the Great Sword of Artorius from Dark Souls 1. It beats the crap out of us in 2 different boss fights and is so much better than when we get it in both. One of those bosses is Artorius' dog! Sif is still the goodest girl, though.

[@165Atlas]

The opposite of this happens in the Gothic series. You're literally incentivized to beat up main characters to get their weapon since it beats everything in the game super early. I'd argue that's more rare than the boss weapon being crap haha

[@RKBock]

I wouldn't say Gothing "incentivizes" it... But it certainly makes things easiert. That, and hitting wolf over the head after buying his/selling him stuff.

[@makishimirian4026]

It makes a lot of sense that Dante isn't as effective with the Yamato as Vergil is, their fighting styles are completely different.

[@cheighes1]

Blade of the east. Fallout New Vegas. A top tier sword that you can kill maybe 10 enemies with. Then reload a save.

[@windebiesteultima3317]

Wouldn’t fit into the criteria of the video because the actual weapon is really good, we just can’t use it for long at all But that’s why console commands exist.

[@katfromthekong414]

Always love listening to Andy and Luke bantering

[@retsz]

There's also the Excalipoor that Gilgamesh drops in various final fantasy games. When you get it and equip it, it nearly always does exactly 1 hp of damage depending on which game.

[@boobah5643]

That's not all that disappointing, since the Excalipoor does the exact same thing when Gilgamesh uses it. The difference is that Greg doesn't use the Excalipoor on purpose.

[@Stratelier]

At least in FF5 when _he_ attempted to use it he got exactly the same result.

[@gustavedelior3683]

It's been like 25 years but there is a purpose to it in at least one title that is hard to do and well hidden.

[@aqj2014]

8:12 i dont know whats wrong with johnnys pistol , upgraded it a few times, and this thing was one shotting gonks all over night city..though maybe thats cause i actually put the effort into using it

[@omegabet3912]

Would LOVE to see an inverse of this. "7 Incredible Boss Weapons That Are Still Incredible When You Got Them".

[@HylianFox3]

This is one thing I like about tactical games such as Fire Emblem. Weapon stats are always the same, no matter who uses them. The issue then is having a character that _can_ use them effectively.

[@Rawwdogg_teet]

I've been playing LoZ master's quest a lot lately and just realized how so much of Elden Ring's music and sound effects sound very similar.

[@MinniMaster]

DMC4 even has that cutscene where Dante uses the Yamato for seemingly the first time in his life and cuts a skyscraped-sized monolith in half in a single slice. Really sets you up for the inevitable meh feeling when you actually get to play with it.

[@marquisepixley684]

I disagree with you

[@randoguypassword5433]

He's brute forcing it. Yamato is a finesse weapon. You can see it even story wise, Vergil very rarely loses his cool and even then he still keeps his finesse.

[@clothar23]

@@randoguypassword5433 Yamato cuts holes in reality and can separate the devil in half breeds from their humanity. There is nothing subtle about it. Not to mention half the time Vergil is using it as a blunt force weapon. Occasionally using the sheath to club enemies.

[@randoguypassword5433]

@@clothar23 Huh... I guess I was interpretin his fighting style wrong half his quotes (that I remember) are stuff like scum and die as if he was viewing his opponent as beneath him and not drawing the sword as a "you aren't even woth the effort". Egg on my face then.

[@hellraiser217]

​@@clothar23 There's the thing. Yamato can only do that specifically because of how Vergil is using it. He's accelerating the blade with pinpoint accuracy to such a speed that he's cutting holes in space time! I do believe that that's what most would refer to as "finesse".

[@bigbangbuddha16]

Anyone remember that blunderbuss from Jade Empire? The boss could blow you away no problem but your character is always knocked over when they try to wield it

[@mustaphamuhammadgarba1740]

You needed to store up enough upgrade points to max out the focus reduction for the gun, at which point it became almost game breakingly good

[@DamnDaimen]

And then you never use it because 80% of the games enemies can be stunlocked with .....I think it was called storm dragon? The final boss isn't even immune.

[@noheartsheartless]

@@DamnDaimen yep Storm Dragon, and I think Paralyzing Palm works too.

[@Liglerian]

Dante couldn't use the Yamato, because he should have been the one to bring its dark soul into the LIIIIIGHHTTT!!!!!!!!

[@TheWindii]

The Arno joke is so stupidly amazing. Mike's delivery really got me.

[@thedragonslibrary]

Do the 7 Times Your Character Was Ruined By An Update You could talk about the faith nerf in DS2. Poor Lightning Bolt. And then Elden Ring Hoarfrost Stomp or Chikage.

[@liammcgrath9117]

The Malorian Johnny uses in the Tower is his newest model. It was actually taken by a firefighter. It's not the same one Smasher ended up with. Johnny's had a ton of them each stronger then the last. So it's not even the same Malorian that V is using.

[@Ryu_D]

The horn in Banjo Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts. Grunty can launch us across the stage with it, while all we can do is make a bit of noise. Sure, it helps us unlock some of the best vehicle parts in the game, but the horn itself will find no real use outside of acting like a glorified key, that also makes an annoying noise.

[@thedarkwolfzearoth]

Wait someone actually played that not Banjo Kazooie game?

[@meapickle]

@@thedarkwolfzearoth yup, I actually forgot it existed

[@Ryu_D]

@@thedarkwolfzearoth @meapickle Yeah, surprisingly, it's actually a really good game. It's definitely not Banjo Kazooie, but as it's own game, it's a really good, weird parts based vehicle mission/3D collectathon-ish batch of nonsense. I was surprised too, but if you treat it as its own game, it's great.

[@SuperDarklord101]

The Sword of Aeons from Fable Anniversary. It's a sword that has the story potential to bring about the end of the world. When Jack of Blades uses it in his boss fight, he uses it to shoot sword beams at you (badass). But when you get the sword by killing your sister, you realize that it's not even the strongest weapon in the game. Not just that; there's also a sword of equal power that you obtain even if you throw the Sword of Aeons away.

[@tomc9453]

The Yamato doesn't suck, Vergil just customised his controller layout...

[@gruggerduggerhoose]

ANDY MIRRAM FARRANT, this is a family show and your “bad scissor” (7:40) just got us taken off the air 🤣 Also love the fact that there is a great knife speedrun category for SH2 fans with waaaaaaaay too much time on their hands/knife

[@birthday_Jake]

I would have defended the Malorian 3516 had I not recently played a techie run and discovered a legendary crafted M10-AF Lexington made an absolute joke of it.

[@RidireOiche]

Guildenstern's astrix sword springs to mind right away. Alternatively, or retroactively the Soul Reaver.

[@l0stndamned]

About a third of weapons from the Megaman franchise could fit in here. Pumpman's weapon springs to mind, and not being about to shoot after using Flashman's time-stop fits in too.

[@HylianFox3]

Time Stopper is easily one of the worst RM weapons. -You can't shoot while it's active. -Stopped enemies can still damage you if you touch them. -Worst of all, you can't even deactivate it once used, it has to run out of energy. It's only good for cutting Quick Man's HP in half and that's it.

[@cormeaga]

Stone Man's weapon from MegaMan 5 would actually be the worst if Charge Man's weapon didn't exist. You can't shoot and you have to slide to do damage but you can easily take damage if you time it wrong.

[@TheBlackSeraph]

@@HylianFox3 It doesn't even kill the robot master it's meant to be weak to from full health (Quick Man). IIRC a full meter of Time Stopper only does 2/3 damage on Normal difficulty, and 1/2 on Hard difficulty.

[@KristoferCraig]

I know right!?

[@samuelpounds1475]

What about Spark Shock?

[@talonhowe8131]

There's one massive questline in the original Xenoblade Chronicles that ends with a fight against Bana, who's one of the higher-level enemies in the game and is the only time outside major story cutscenes that the track "Tragic Decision" plays, and when defeated, he drops the Monapon: a weapon for Riki with a damage range of 1-1, no gem slots, and a 30% crit. rate

[@reaper_the_fox]

So I never played the Devil May Cry series but something I didn't realize until I watched this video is that a katana i've had for awhile now is actually the Yamato and I only recognized it by the hand guard and then proceeded to look it up and realize my sword also has the dragon on the pommel just like Virgil's

[@Amayawolf_01]

In fairness to Dante, the sword is used in a style he's not particularly familiar with. He always uses bigger, heavier swords, and even says something about not being as good as Vergil the one time he slices up a monument. Plus, he might be holding back and also reluctant to use it at all. He passed it to Nero because he saw him and was like "I'm pretty sure that's Vergil's kid so logically he should inherit it" and Nero just naturally wields it much better than Dante can. In any game where you can play as Vergil using the sword it's still insanely powerful, so the fact that it's not as good is pretty much specific to Dante himself

[@KazeKoichi]

Finally one person mentions that Nero also used Yamato, lol.

[@niiskii2594]

The Yamato isn't the weapon, Vergil is

[@TwoWholeWorms]

The thing I realised that fixed _AC: Unity_ was switching the voice language to French and turning the subtitles on. It literally fixed the weird accent demersion issues, and made it way more fun to play.

[@ilovetweek000]

Im guessing the pyramid head's knife is gonna be here Edit: Yup called it

[@reitekaredacted2787]

"Imagine what he can do with a full pair of scissors"-cuts to Scissorman from Clocktower🤣

[@RhysCake]

I used Johnny's gun all the way to the finish without any trouble

[@neil_mch]

As your only weapon?

[@evelinepotter4551]

Fun Fact about the Eden Sword vom AC Unity. In AC Valhalla there is a kinda tedious Sidequest, that lets you get your hands on a shooty version of that sword, as Eivor is the one who unleashes that thing on the world.

[@nevermind5733]

Well, Cyberpunk weapon strength is heavy is heavy influenced by the profiency of the wearer through perks. Since its Johnny's gun i think its safe to expect he knew how to use it. If the player character has invested a bit in the right perks its actually pretty strong,specially with the combination of power bullet ricochet and wall penetration. A few upgrades to the gun itself a recommended of course.

[@andrewbyrne2173]

My thoughts exactly.

[@jeramycurtis3872]

true tho I still ended up using lizzie the hole game lol

[@isaacgleeth3609]

@@jeramycurtis3872 EVERY pistol build ends up using LIzzie.

[@clothar23]

@@isaacgleeth3609 I prefer using Jackie's pistol for the memories ya know. Plus that sweet aesthetic ya know. Only Padre's gun looks cooler.

[@jeramycurtis3872]

@@clothar23 those where awsome I just wish you could have dual wielded them like he did

[@julispears4949]

The Axe of Godfrey is supposed to release a shockwave after the roar, whoever got the footage was running an intelligence build so they didn't have enough strength to effectively use it. It is better now thanks to 1.07 as Collosal weapons across the board got their attack animations sped up and Regal Roar now works with the roar medallion. Edit: the fact it's a collosal weapon so it has a high str requirement is hardly a downside, and if 42 is high for you, then the Fire Prelate Hammer would leave you shocked as that needs I believe 60.

[@assassinonprozac]

The Yamato is actually very good in DMC4, not only is it essential for Dante’s combo game but it builds DT insanely fast, has great crowd control abilities, (which is something Dante’s other weapons kinda lack) and is very good at breaking the Angelo’s shields.

[@monk3110]

Yea that thing was not disappointing

[@insaincaldo]

Pyramidhead's knife reminds me of playing Fable. In trying to encapsulate an evil undead warrior, I was only wielding great-weapons, while having leveled physique to less then 3. This meant I would be dragging the unwieldy weapons and barely be able to swing, it also basically gives you Dark Souls fat roll, so no trying to use that to move faster.

[@JoshuaEisenbart]

The Broken Sceptre, from Warframe's Elder Queen fight. During the first phase of the fight, she uses it to force Teshin, the last of the elite Orokin warriors known as Dax, to attack you against his will. After you defeat him, she then uses it to fire beams of energy that push you around like you're an empty shopping cart. In fact, the way you beat her isn't even by damaging her, but by stealing the massive 2-meter long staff, rendering her powerless, and then deciding her fate. Then, in the quest's final cutscene, you remove the part of the staff that gives it all the cool powers, and it becomes a semi-decent, totally ordinary pole weapon.

[@ReleasedHollow]

Yeah, Kuva is a pretty powerful Mcguffin.

[@apit94]

It could've had so much potential. They still could redeem it by adding a crafting recipe for the full weapon a bit like with the broken war.

[@JoshuaEisenbart]

@@apit94 Yeah. Give it its massive pushback back, and a charge attack that turns nearby enemies to your favor, and boom, it would be good again.

[@ben2972]

FFVII…Sephiroth’s Masamune obtained in the Golden Saucer. I spent many hours grinding for this thing, constantly imagining how cool it was going to be to play the whole rest of the game with it…only to find out…

[@arvidfrykman9850]

In the "Cyberpunk" one.... You have never seen the Malorian fired before you get it. You have seen Johnny's memory of it... you know, the malignant narcissist and abuser of pretty much every psychoactive known to man, who has been both dead and in an Arasaka blacksite for half a century, and is currently being uploaded to your brain by a severely misused piece of experimental tech. Alt directly brings up the point that Johnny's memories aren't exactly objective, and while I am not inclined to trust her implicitly, the fact that he managed to either replace Morgan Blackhand with himself or forget Blackhand's involvement in the Arasaka Tower raid entirely... it's hard to say she's wrong.

[@Zakkleberg]

I love the music that plays during the Dancer of the Boreal Valley fight. So awesome

[@ElfmaidOfMirkwood]

Vratha, the spear in Hades, seems a lot more effective in the hands of Hades than in Zagreus' hands. Technically you can get this spear before ever facing your dad depending on how you equip yourself and do your runs, but it definitely seems to serve your dad better.

[@carbinecryo30716]

@@LocalChoker My friend, I think he means from a lore perspective. Yeah, Varatha is amazing as a gameplay thing, but Hades can do way cooler shit with his spear than Zag can with Varatha. That's all.

[@thomasgomes844]

Well I think this one makes sense. Hades is a much stronger god than Zag and has used his spear for much longer than Zag has even been alive. Also the spear that Zag uses is actually Hades' old spear, having been replaced some time ago by the one he uses in the fight against him.

[@Chris_Sizemore]

If I had to face a baby Virgil with a katana, I believe I'd be asking "Who lets a baby play with sharp objects?" and having some very stern words with his guardian.

[@eldritchpancakes]

The devilsknife in Deltarune. While it certainly doesn't suck, compared to Jevil using them to drain your health bar and blow up the arena, it leaves a little to be desired.

[@Lagbeard]

Same general concept, but there's tons of instances in various RPGs where a boss ends up joining you as a playable character and they've got their stats nerfed from when they were an enemy...

[@TrashWaav]

Sword of Aeons in Fable Anniversary is horrendously nerfed, especially compared to the original

[@Jay_Playz2019]

Not exactly a boss weapon, but the master sword, specifically from BOTW. After having a total of 13 hearts, traveling to and through Korok forest, you get a weapon that has a whopping 30 base damage. While this can be upgraded through DLC or when fighting ancient stuff, it's still weak, get a royal sword instead.