7 Insane Videogame Fan Theories We Really Hope Are True

[@NickPiers]

Insane theory: The badger is not a real badger, but is actually a puppet, controlled by someone who works at Playstation Access.

[@rll33490]

+Nick Piers I find that one a little too hard to believe

[@leguan278]

+Rugged Warrior same, it is one of the wirdest theoryes out there now, good luck with that m8

[@zuhaibsiddiqui9215]

Thats hard to believe

[@gabehilton7948]

+Nick Piers Shhhhhh don't tell Delsin that. Robb, will you hide this post from him? It might kill him if he saw it.

[@LordJaric]

+Nick Piers Blasphemy

[@Kazeromaru]

Pft, Squall isn't dead. He just changed his name to Leon and is helping a magic boy with a key for a sword defeat evil shadows that were created from hearts that also seek hearts because... ok I lost myself somewhere.

[@lrmcatspaw1]

"Mass Effect 3 ending was a bit wish washy". Well that is putting it lightly.

[@lrmcatspaw1]

But the expectation in no mans sky was rather low at that point. The expectations of ME trilogy? Much higher.

[@oivatank]

Well than. That last image is gonna give me nightmares. Great.

[@bensmith7656]

It's a non image ..

[@primalgroudon397]

?

[@oivatank]

+Trollarmy the gaping hole in his face

[@Sirloinsalot1]

I agree, i don't know whether that's gonna be in my dreams tonight.

[@ShanickMaster2]

Now whenever I play kingdom hearts I'm just going to imagine squall like that. With no face........... Well who needs sleep right?

[@TheMohammedAlmashaqbeh]

i have an xbox but i love you guys i watch every time you upload

[@PlayStationAccess]

We're all friends here :)

[@jackcarrington1913]

Same I thought I was the only xbox player here

[@StermaPerma]

Great to hear

[@Wykesidefruitmachine]

+PlayStation Access I don't know about that. I'm fairly sure that Outside X-Box were slagging you off the other day. The turds.

[@cubancucumber]

What vid was it where they were slagging them off?

[@DavidHughesEire]

"But, prior to Squall's supposed death, I did spend most of my time sucking Thunder spells out the backside of a massive caterpillar, so I don't think they were ever really going for gritty realism..." This has to be the *FUNNIEST* line in the video, and probably the *FUNNIEST* line I've heard this year! *EVER* maybe!

[@SuperLumipallo]

Agreed. I was watching this video at my working place.. complete silence was broken by my sudden loud(manic) laugh. Thank you Rob!

[@dragonslayerjude3294]

AGREED

[@LHew27]

What if Delsin is the presenter and Rob is the puppet?

[@eatenbyghouls1849]

#illuminaticonfirmed

[@snakeeyes2441]

+Luke Hewitt I don't want to imagine someone sticking there hand up Rob's ass to control him.

[@chchedda]

+Jace Smith haha

[@Therealmadkong]

Someone here watched the twilight zone

[@shauntrek]

How can mirrors be real if our eyes aren't real?

[@charlie7329]

The balder Rob goes the bigger his beard gets.

[@Lazy_Titan]

Lol! all of his hair is just migrating to the bottom of his face

[@russianmuffin98]

no chill

[@Enzoderbaecker]

+Charlie Drummond overcompensating, sad but true... ;P

[@DavidCruickshank]

+Roman Edgell it is october, his hair is just migrating south for winter.

[@Lazy_Titan]

+David Cruickshank Ha Ha, yup

[@EscanorTheBrave]

I really liked today's video (although it didn't have MGS in it!). To this day, I still believe the developers of FF8 where actually going for the 'Ultimecia is Rinoa' scenario, but they had a change of heart at some point and it was scrapped. The story would also make sense that way.

[@gordonallinson6187]

+EscanorTheBrave I think you're right, although I'd say it still works and you could interpret that story as canon, even if its now just a theory. Certainly seems like it would have been spelled out at some point though if it was the official story.

[@twilliamspro]

+Gordon Allinson I wonder if they st the time planned for Final Fantasy VIII2

[@LunaticTazz]

+EscanorTheBrave I think you could make a whole episode just with theories for MGS V. (Where is chapter III)? #NeverBeGameOver

[@gordonallinson6187]

Tom Williams Productions I'd be surprised to be honest, it was a pretty big deal when FFX-2 was announced in spite of the shonky end product, and FFIX veered in a wildly different direction to VIII so I don't think they would have bad a sequel in mind, although I'm only speculating

[@sresner7]

+LunaticTazz I thiiink they actually DID do a MGS fan theory vid!

[@DonNorway]

"Boot is English for trunk" Thank you... thank you!

[@stumaxi5990]

What language is trunk from then lol???

[@DonNorway]

stu maxi American English, obviosuly. American English is a variant, like Scottish English and Australian English.

[@DiaperLTD]

+DonNorway That joke went over your head huh? ;)

[@Astfgl]

You can get a boot to the trunk.

[@DonNorway]

DiaperLTD I guess so... I still don't get it.

[@Road_to_Dawn]

-Rob mentions FF8. -Me: "The 'Squall is Dead' theory!" -Rob: "Rinoa is Ultimecia!" -Me: "Aww..." -Rob mentions FF8. -Me: "Can it be?!" -Rob: "Forgive me for using Final Fantasy twice... The 'Squall is Dead' theory!" -Me: "YES."

[@Road_to_Dawn]

Although, I didn't remember hearing the "Rinoa is Ultimecia" theory before, but it sounds really interesting! But it also sounds like it could also conflict with Squall already being dead. I dunno.

[@telltellyn]

I've always thought the Rinoa is Ultimecia theory is more interesting, so I was the other way around. But it was awesome he did both.

[@Kartissa]

Personally I discount both theories. 1. The time lag between Squall's time and Ultimecia's is much more than a human lifetime, and there is absolutely *no* indication in the game that Sorceresses have extended lifespans. Also, if she *is* Rinoa, she's forgotten a lot. Like who Squall actually is.... 2. Edea's/Ultimecia's icicle attack hits Squall through the right shoulder. That's not an immediately fatal wound, even without restorative magic like Full-Life. Although we don't know exactly how much a Sorceress is capable of, the 'para-magic' used by SeeDs is derived from Doctor Odine's study of Adel. It therefore seems likely that a Sorceress is capable of duplicating similar effects, and that Ultimecia would want to keep her ancient enemy alive for questioning. Squall not knowing how he got from Deling to the prison is easy to explain. He was unconscious, both from the attack, and the dream sequence as Laguna in Winhill.

[@DarkSutarefson]

Like this theory....makes want to play again and see it through every detail.

[@kitari3655]

But the thing is, her forgetting everything makes perfect sense in the game. If you recall, it's canonically established (and a major plot point) that junctioning with GFs causes memory loss. If Rinoa junctioned Squall as Griever and refused to release that junction (which would make sense for a grief-stricken hyper witch) then she actually WOULD slowly forget everything. Remember that in game, every single one of the main cast forgot that they grew up together as children, raised by Edea. So yeah, Ultimecia/Rinoa forgetting Squall, but remembering just enough to know there was something in the past that made her happy that she had lost gives a much more believable reason for wanting to bring that past crashing back into her time. And while there's no indication that Sorceresses live longer lives, there's no indication they don't either. Heck, look at Adel. They can apparently become giantesses that can survive indefinitely in space, so I'd say long lives are certainly not off the table.

[@missmonkeyflower123]

Outsidexbox mentioned you in their video today

[@PlayStationAccess]

+iphonevideos We hope they said nice things - Hollie

[@DjBlazz2K10]

+iphonevideos Both channels are cool, personally I prefer this one.

[@TheWittleBabby]

+DjBlazz2K10 I like Oxbox's peronality but I like the cringeworthy jokes these guys have. Also, I gotta get my uncharted news somewhere.

[@lordfateweaver1851]

+iphonevideos i enjoy both channels :)

[@stumaxi5990]

Outsidexbox stared in an access video. Think it was the 100k subs video 😉

[@TheBrickly]

I like the theory that Kingdom Hearts is just an imagined story by an orphaned Sora going through depression. You know, happy things.

[@KingKien95]

if that was ever confirmed i might die inside

[@lordfateweaver1851]

+EclypsetheWyvern theres a similar theory about one of the zelda games too.

[@LifeGoddessTaimat]

+Felix Andrews I think the theory you're referring to is Majora's Mask. The most widely accepted theory is that Link is actually dead, and that the entire game represents the stages of grief/death.

[@failurextreme7084]

my issue with that is in kh1 sora has a mother.

[@TheBrickly]

Quin Nunez True. But we never do truly see her face, now do we?

[@rexultim8904]

That last frame is just slightly nightmare fuel

[@07pagey]

Conspiracy theory: Rob and Delsin are one and the same person.

[@tomgillan3582]

😂😂 they have the same voice

[@russianmuffin98]

+Tom Gillan illuminati confirmed

[@Astfgl]

Rob is just lip syncing to what Delsin is saying out loud.

[@07pagey]

Rob hates Delsin. But that is because Delsin represents a better half of himself.

[@MuttonfudgeRacing]

It's funny how you try to brighten things up a bit with Silent Hill. lol

[@Kiyosuki]

1. It's basically borderline inarguable at this point, although not explicitly stated its so generally accepted that it might as well not even be a theory anymore. 2. Its very possible and even logical. It greatly depends I think on which ending you prefer, as I think the endings have a huge effect on whether this is true or not, but as far as the In Water ending goes it almost goes without saying and since it's a favorite of many, it might as well be true. Though when I think about it, even the hypothetically "best" ending, Leave, still leaves some room for this to be true. 3. It's an interesting possibility and it does add a certain extra gravitas to Chell and GLaDOS' interactions, but it's really an up to the player sort of deal. 4. I was a huge proponent of this theory, despite the fact it was hurredly dismissed officially (Although we're talking about Square Enix devs here they're not always consistent with this stuff.), and I kind of still am because the idea of Ultimecia being Rinoa from an alternate future single handedly redefines the entire plot of FF8, and for the better. Instead of being a random evil person from the future, it gives an extra twist to the story's theme of "love" that gives the games' second half much greater weight and worth, while also nicely making the fact Ultimecia only shows up at the very end despite being the big bad much more reasonable...since technically both her presence, and literally her had been there the whole time. I don't care what they say, I'm always going to believe this. I strongly feel the game would have been substantially better if this were official, and made a little more clear at some point. 5. It's a huge stretch because of the time difference, but it might have been possible with some line drawing except for one thing: Love it or hate it, the DLC campaigns basically completely debunk this in every way. There's already a version of Booker/Comstock that was in Rapture at the time, and the similarities between Rapture and Columbia were explained as time and space exchanges between Fink and Suchong, and even if ignoring all of this Andrew Ryan is officially born (in eastern Europe no less) in 1911, a year before Infinite takes place. The baptism that created the split, between timelines where he remained Booker and others where he became Comstock, happened way back in the 1880's. Even when suggesting time travel is involved, there's just no other evidence other than the Bathysphere point to suggest this theory is true, and while the Bathysphere working for Booker is eye-ridge raising I think its cleaner to just chalk it up to a writer mishap. 6. Oh the indoctrination theory. Well, the special "updated" versions of the endings basically deemed it both obsolete and kind of debunked, as they even offered you an additional choice to shoot the Star Child (refuse all choices in other words), which just results in the current cycle being wiped out (but not before giving the next cycle a message to help them succeed where we failed, as other cycles before.) There was a lot I loved about this theory back then, and it'd be interesting but I've also kind of made my peace with the endings at this point because the free, updated endings while not perfect, did address a lot of my issues with the initial endings. Its interesting to talk about but the theory just doesn't really fit anymore. 7. While I love the Ultimecia theory, I've never been a fan of this one. I've always felt like its just reaching for too much, and its reasons rely too much on picking at FF8's more fantastical suspensions of disbelief in order to be true. I feel the imagery at the end was merely just to signal that Squall was dying then, before being saved by Rinoa, and his memories were being jumbled partly because of that, and because of the time compression reversing. (all imagery, again, that would have been more fitting if 4 were true.). I admit too I've never been a big fan of over half or even all of something basically being a consequence-less hallucination, I think it's usually just an easy way out.

[@netherlim]

7. The blurring image is most due to the abuse of Guardian Force. It is enough said (even bashed) that GF will cause memory loss. It is that which happens to Squall at the end, the terrifying memory loss of who he loves in echange of power. Ultimecia will have the same, as she had forgotten Squall's face.

[@thesurvivorssanctuary6561]

Your comment needs so much more thumbs up! O.O

[@JohnMcMasters]

+Hoube Maxime (Nestalim) This is seriously a good point.

[@absol-lutezero5309]

Jake M. Shepard cannot be indoctrinated because if you remember several prothrean VI state clearly that there was no sign of indoctrination

[@Burningskull13]

I've always thought the reason Squall had such trouble getting back to his time at the end of the game was because he spent 90% of his life trying to keep his distance from everyone. They tell you that you have to depend on your bonds with one another to both make it to and back from Ultimecia's time. Squall kept everyone at a distance, even Rinoa till the Devs shoved a love story down his throat. Since Squalls bonds with the other characters wasn't very strong he got lost in time compression, till Rinoa was able to find him.

[@Dragnridr3]

Based on Burial At Sea, it seems as if Booker isn't Ryan but actually Jack based on Elizabeth's speech at the end of Episode 2 as well as the fact that she's give her life to help him. It also would explain why all Jack wanted was to raise the Little Sisters as his own.

[@Joe1up]

"But, heyyyy, that's JUST a theory, a game theory! Thanks for watching."

[@GNFNR]

Getting my PS4 for christmas, waving farewell to xbox one 😂 uncharted 4 fallout 4 call of duty black ops 3, im really excited to join the Playstaion nation after many years of being a PS1/2 owner 😝

[@EscanorTheBrave]

+Trevor Phillips Welcome back, stray child!

[@gordonallinson6187]

+Trevor Phillips I did the same, flipped to 360 as my main console last gen, but PS4 is, imo, definitively the best at the moment so I'm glad I went back

[@cryptofarmer2375]

+Trevor Phillips welcome to the good side

[@AmanojakuPenguin]

Heh. You actually think PS4 is any good XD

[@StermaPerma]

+ToxicPenguin i know right? xD ps4 is not good! Its amazing!

[@michaeldeschain2420]

I just wanna say Rob that i love the channel and Friday Features are a highlight i look forward to every Friday. You are hilarious man.

[@DrkStrShadow]

I can never understand how the end sequence of FF8 gets misinterpreted so often by the fanbase. The game made it abundantly clear that the overuse of the Guardian Forces was already taking a toll on Squall's short and long-term memory about halfway through the game, and references to this become exponentially plentiful and blunt as it progresses. Him having a hard time recognizing Rinoa's face, or him even forgetting his own likeness (aka the hole in the head) after the really long and really taxing final fight isn't too much of a stretch. The only place him being dead makes total sense is at the end, once he can no longer recall anybody's faces (which was the key to escaping the void) and he just dies there alone.

[@netherlim]

The theory about Rinoa being Ultimecia is totally real for sure. And Squall yet dies of ageing, because Rinoa is Immortal. That what creates the loop where Ultimecia came back in time to compress the time (Making Squall eternal) and it is where Squall beats her. At the end of FF8, Squall dies, all you said about forgotten memories is true and the end should be interpreted like this. But in one of this loop, Rino finally finds him, and they live together, at the end during the credit shows.

[@mihailiancu7680]

I think that Squaresoft originally intended to have proven that Ultimecia IS Rinoa but when merging with Enix the trigger changed hands. Believe me,its like a whole board of staff deciding what is better for their recognition because if they would continue,fans would demand on a continue like with FFX. In any way its more business related than storyboard related :)

[@Shiki0414]

The quote you provided actually said that Witches can't die until they've passed on their power. So it's possible that Rinoa became immortal. I don't support any theory, just making conversation :)

[@Shiki0414]

Ah, that clears things up. People are pretty passionate about this. Kinda cool to see.

[@DennGreenIII]

DrkStrShadow while that fact is true, that's not what was happening at the end. squall was in time compression too long so he started forgetting everything because he started to not exist. They clearly state at the end of the game not to remain in time compression too long for that exact reason, that's why it had the scene with squall and Rinoa in the garden by the lighthouse and squall saying if you come here I'll find you, it was because they had to focus on something real to get back to their own time. Rinoa thought of being with Squall in the garden and Squall didn't, so he began fading from existence. But he ends up remembering and then everything is back to normal.

[@RonnieIcon]

For a channel so hung up up MGS, I'm surprised you didn't include the Sons of Liberty VR Theory in here.

[@fizzypurple5495]

Hey, Rob........... Jet fuel can't melt steel beams.

[@Contevent]

+Fizzy Purple .... What?

[@Contevent]

***** I just have no idea what you are talking about.

[@SlyTF1]

+Contevent George Bush is responsible for 9/11. But he went to 7/11 instead.

[@Mattforn]

+Slimaaconroy Must have picked up a cherry slush there

[@Contevent]

SlyTF1 Ok, I think I get it. This theory says that jet fuel cannot melt the metal inside the tower, therefore the plane didn't do the job. But what's the link with Bush? And what happened the 7/11?

[@ho2da]

at 11:28 the reason he can't remember rinoas face is because when they summon their guardian forces it slowly takes away their memory

[@Knightess]

FFVIII is one of my favourite games of all time. Although I don't completely agree with the RiU or SiD theories, I love that they exist, I love the supporting evidence for them, and I love that this game is still getting some well-deserved love some 16 years later.

[@Nortic111]

Wow, I'd forgotten for years about questioning how Squall survived that ice shard through the chest and nothing was said about it after. And after hearing the theory you presented at the end? Mind properly blown!

[@makerKID5]

That badger kills me everytime.

[@Rawksinator]

rob the way you said "squall..is dead" gave me chills haha

[@andreafrauhiger5363]

One interesting Final Fantasy VII theory I've seen is that Aeris isn't killed by Sephiroth. At the angle he impaled her he would have missed most vital organs, but possibly paralyzed her. Unable to move or speak, and her breathe barely noticeable, Cloud lowers her body into the water where she drowns.

[@Shiki0414]

Someone should tell Cloud this and see how much more emo he can get >:)

[@Shadow17Link]

Have you seen him in Kingdom Hearts? He's even more emo. and he has more belts. So many belts

[@Shiki0414]

Oh yeah...

[@qifatrahunt541]

Hahaha.. all the people commenting here are just stupid that cannot accept the death of Aerith and instead blame Cloud with his personality to feel better.

[@d-rabbitfor5398]

that squall face still gives me goosebumps.. that moment when i first found out about that theorie, after beating the game countless times, and then that horrible frame.. brilliant and terrifying alike

[@Arexion5293]

It's actually not a theory that Mary's body is in the car. It was confirmed by one of the game's creators.

[@Inferno505]

I'm just glad you mentioned how the Squall is dead theory is a bit difficult since even disc one is wakadoo fantasy compared to reality! "Coma theory" is always hard to belive when the realm they wake up to (or die from in this case here) is only slightly more gritty realism. Thanks a bundle all a yall!

[@MkayM254]

New theory....Delsin is in Robs mind...Rob is insane....Delsin is never seen talking to anyone else........... Delsin has 6 letters......Rob has 3.... half of 6 is 3..... Half Life 3 confirmed.

[@ThrottleKitty]

Prototype: Alex Mercer didn't die, he wanted everyone to think he was dead. What Heller really absorbed was a purified chunk of Alex Mercer that would allow him to regain control of him. So, Heller actually lost, and Mercer actually won.

[@Tomnickles]

I hate the Squall is dead theory. I mean in a world where you have Pheonix Downs and potions to heal to full life, why would an ice spell kill you?

[@bluephoniex6356]

maybe its that phoniex down restore life but dont fix anything so having a destroyed lung or heart means perma death. idk stuff like that id never explained or really mentioned so idek if characters acknowledge that life restoring items exist or if its just in the meta

[@Bitches4Day]

+Blue Phoniex it's basically already been proven that Phoenix downs stop having resurrection properties. I think from FF 6-5, it only pulled unconscious people out of that state

[@BelelEscabel]

+Tomnickles Well, what if Phoenix Downs actually are part of Squall's mind? What if he just imagines pretty much everything, like magic and stuff (c'mon, with that scar on his face he must have taken a pretty serious hit, he could perfectly be insane)?

[@Tomnickles]

Bel el Escabel Except it's not. It's a video game.

[@pious83]

+Tomnickles In most RPG's you can only truly die in a cutscene...

[@thesilvasavage4376]

Dude! The last bit about Squal being dead sent chills up my spine. It makes so much sense.

[@mkol1998]

All the hair from his head ran to his face and formed a beard.

[@Tracker947]

Not just doomed to get through sidescroll deathville for all eternity, but doomed to do it looking for his sister. That makes it even more tragic.

[@mattah3204]

I'd love to see ff 8 and 9 get ps4 versions just as ff7 did :)

[@avaan69]

I don't, because they'll remove the 'outdated' turn based combat :(

[@vegurion2]

That's good! play the old version for nostalgia purposes and the new one for "OH MY GOD THATS SUPER AMAZING" purposes 😃

[@mattah3204]

I meant FF8 and FF9 being brought to ps4 like they brought FF7 to it. Not full blown remakes :)

[@mattah3204]

It would be fun to play them again :)

[@avaan69]

without a doubt, but for nostalguc reasons for me when I think final fantasy I think of best combat ever and that is turn based with awesome story and characters, I dont want that action rpg style, only one I really liked and enjoyed was ff12

[@LuxAeterna22878]

Ooh, that was a brilliant way to start the video! It's always good to make fun of Ancient Aliens.

[@lunavarion]

Isn't Ultimacea the one that kills Squall? If she really is Rinoa from the future that travels back in time to be with Squall again, why would she kill him without hesitation upon their initial meeting? Would she still fall in love with him if she was with Seifer and Squall died then and there? Those two may not be compatible.

[@Tomnickles]

+Lunavarion Because . . . TIME COMPRESSION! lol.

[@kennbreece443]

+Lunavarion The theory explains this in the fact the Rinoa/Ultimecia was likely persecuted for being a witch and that combined with having a GF junctioned for longer than an average human life causing memory loss that she kind of forgot her whole purpose for seeking time compression in the first place. Also if you take that as truth, the world turns her cold and hardened. Kind of like how Squall was when we first meet him, but Rinoa opens him up, adding something that's a bit of a reverse parallel between the two characters.

[@a_Rand0m_Guy]

i think they r contradicting theories if one is true then the other cant be

[@robertharrison1058]

+Lunavarion it basically means ff8 is a paradox if you combine the two theorys as ultimecias power that keeps squall alive after him being impaled and if shes adult rinoa that means her death means squall dies and its squalls death that basically turns rinoa into ultemecia

[@featurelength5086]

I don't care how much of a joke it was intended to be, the lemons-into-grenades speech is genuinely inspiring.

[@S_a_Z_m]

@ PlayStation Access team: How is the background music called used during the Limbo gameplay footage? And thnx for yet another cool and interesting friday feature.

[@chrisostomoskaipalexis830]

The Abode of Snow by Bonnie Grace

[@hatmangates883]

I was so disappointed when the FF8-one was not the one I was expecting (though I hadn't heard that one before, and it was pretty interesting), and then you go and blow my mind by revisiting FF8 with the best one. Kudos, well played, and an awesome video as always.

[@tausiftt5238]

the last one, yup my favorite, and how the game was, that theory made sense to me XD

[@SirS3mt3x]

That bioshock theory just blew my mind all over the ceiling...

[@jtscool99]

I actually liked the ME3 ending. Then again I was late to the party and made sure to download the extended cut before I started. Also I think "destroy" was highlighted as red since it would destroy all synthetics not just reapers.

[@elliotpurdon916]

+Gibson Guitar Fan (jtscool99) I'm in the same boat as you. I only discovered Mass Effect late last year, played the ending and thought: "What was everyone complaining about?" Plus I think they were trying to mix up the usual colour-coded moral structure by having "destroy" coloured red (the bad colour) but with an image of Anderson (a good guy). The reverse is true for "control" being blue but with the Illusive Man.

[@zacharycannaday6075]

I gotta give it another go but after 15 minutes I encountered 3 problems with the story and since I already knew people hated it I was tainted with the notion "I should hate this game"

[@jtscool99]

+Zachary Cannaday IMO they could of done some stuff better. For example there is a side quest where you have to retrieve this super bomb thing and stuff is exploding all around you and doesn't even hurt you if you run right into an explosion. It also felt a bit quiet in terms of music. It's still a good game but not as good as the other two.

[@idiocyincorporated7635]

+Gibson Guitar Fan (jtscool99) i never thought that controlling the reapers was bad, since they were made as a end all war solution by a rouge AI, but i ultimately chose to make every one half-robot on the molecular level, making it so every one can connect.i also didn't think that they mess with the color seem at all red is ant-hero meaning that wall some of you'e acts are wrong most of the time you are just looking at the bigger picture with a cold and calculating mind much like the elusive man.

[@HorusDeathtouch]

Final Fantasy VIII is by far my favorite, but I had never heard of the Rinoa is Ultimecia thing. I'm surprised you didn't touch on the more popular theory of Squall dying at the end of Disc 1 and everything being a dream after that. Edit: I should have finished the video first.

[@System-zu7np]

you got the indoctrination theory a bit wrong, it actually claims that he still has his (more or less) free will when he enters the dream sequence. But his mental state is weaker than ever, harbinger sets the scene and Sheppard decides. If you choose destroy you overcome the indoctrination, everything else has you lose to harbinger....

[@wannabean6622]

+System32 Then again Genocide is hardly a morally acceptable choice, regardless of who is on the "massive death" side of the spectrum. Though touching the reaper artefact in Mass Effect surely shows some influence seeing all the subliminal imagery Shepard was subjected to could have had an effect. That and Shepard manages to come back to life after being thrown into the reaches of space, which only Starkiller from Star Wars The Force Unleashed can survive. Regeneration Project or not, Shepard was as good as a fried lightbulb without some sinister plot from the Reapers, in my opinion.

[@MrSpawley]

Yeah cos Anderson represents his will to fight Indoctrination and TIM him giving in. Also Depends in how far back you like to dig and read the codex but most theories say the effects of it start from ME 2 as when he is hit by a a wave from Object Rho in Arrival although exposure to any Reaper Tech can start indoctrination

[@MrSpawley]

+Knowan I think the Prothean beacon is a bit of a stretch it's more likely to be the accumulated effects of fighting Sovereign, The Proto Reaper , Shockwave from Object Rho then fighting Rhannoch Reaper with all the weight of the decisions that you make that is likely to break him as well as Cerberus with Reaper controller TIm beating to everything. Why After Thessia he is down and almost beat!

[@nerdscholar316]

You guys do know that the Extended Cut Bioware released a few months after the game completely throws the Indoctrination Theory out the window right? I mean come on, Shepard being indoctrinated? No, just no.

[@MrSpawley]

+Jesse Chadwick So you just put the last half hour of Mass Effect 3 down to pour writing and development.

[@HeavyladenExistance]

Who writes the script for this show, its truly brilliant and your delivery is Oscar level. Love the show. Every last atom of peanut butter HAHAHA!

[@Solidude]

I never hope Squall was dead

[@Stelios78910]

4:20 The badgers got some sick groove.

[@bythetimeyouhavereadthisiw4761]

Also in ff8. Laguna is Squall's father. As true as buttons that one.

[@syaoxd.n.a.626]

and Laguna's 'could've been' love interest Julia is Rinoa's mom.

[@tanyaflanagan8111]

That's just facts not a theory. That is pretty much spelt out for you in the game

[@BastiaanBuellingAbadeonGaming]

Regarding Limbo... I never played it... yet that is, maybe one of these days, I'll get to it :-) but If the screens are identical except for the flies, thatn the theory of Rob could be exact and also, Limbo is a part of the Grec mythology of Hell : The Limbo of Infants (Latin limbus infantium or limbus puerorum) is a hypothesis about the permanent status of the unbaptized who die in infancy, too young to have committed personal sins, but not having been freed from original sin. and since they are both kids... well this should fit the description perfectly :-) There is also another reference to Limbo and the Hell of toddlers in Dante's Inferno ;-)

[@giran6309]

A great video, but what is the theme that plays by limbo? I can't find it.

[@chrisostomoskaipalexis830]

The Abode of Snow by Bonnie Grace

[@giran6309]

@@chrisostomoskaipalexis830 wow somebody answered me! Didn't expect that, but thanks a lot!

[@NoNameJustWords]

Both the Squall is Dead and the R = U theories have been denied by Yoshinori Kitase (the producer of the FFVII remake) so you can cross those off of your list, you can find video evidence of this in a video called "FINAL FANTASY VII Remake Producer Q&A" right here on YT.

[@jamie_1678]

NoNameJustWords however the sh2 one has been confirmed canon

[@haldorasheim]

You really hope the Limbo-theory is true?!?

[@PlayStationAccess]

Yes. I hope they're stuck in infinite Limbo forever, stupid silhouette people and their silly eyes made of light -Rob

[@huntergulas7453]

+PlayStation Access i think the theory is not real

[@enzotibirica8458]

its not a theory Its not explicit , but is true tough

[@senrunethirteen3941]

The only problem I have with the 'Squall is Dead' theory, is that the shard of ice that hits him doesn't hit any critical organs. Maybe a lung but it looks too far off to the side to do too much damage. I do believe that attack and the following fall can kill him. But honestly, we've seen games take bigger 180s before and we haven't questioned it before.

[@TotesCoolBeans]

Rinoa being Ultimecia has already been disproven by the creators. Also Isn't GLADOS being Chell's mother confirmed because of the whole of the end of the second game? Also Squall being "dead" is silly. My main rip is people always point out that Rinoa falls in love with Squall afterwards, but it doesn't actually happen like that. She is still looking at Seifer, and worrying about him as he defends Edea. Then things happen, Squall helps and supports Rinoa, they have a "date" and Squall does what he can to "wake" Rinoa up. Then, and only then, after saving her in space does she truly fall in love with Squall.

[@OdinsWyrd]

I haven't seen anything about the creators disproving this theory. Everything I have seen over the years has been then trying to avoid giving and answer and trying to leave it ambiguous. Please provide a source.

[@CR-qp3or]

love your channel guys keep it up...I've notice no metal gear theories...well I think that the whole metal gear series knows that it's a video game and trays to tell you the player by saying things like..."TO CLIMB THE LATTER YOU MUST PUSH DOWN THE ACTION BOTTON"...or..."TO SWIM FASTER UNDER WATER, PUSH THE PUNCH BUTTON REPEATEDLY"...and of course..."SWITCH YOUR CONTROLLER TO THE PLAYER 2 SLOT"...add another notch to the metal gear tally

[@ebilangel]

Soundtrack used on limbo?

[@chrisostomoskaipalexis830]

The Abode of Snow by Bonnie Grace

[@DN_13]

That badger cracks me up everytime. I'm upset when he's not in the episode.

[@MrFutago87]

I really don't hope that the "Squall is Dead" theory is true, if it were everything from Disc 2 onward would be kinda meaningless.

[@AzazelOnmyoji]

it is not, Square did confirm that it was all just fan imagination and that Squall survived through the whole game.

[@DeusExMachina130]

+MrFutago87 I don't know how this even became a theory. Maybe in a more realistic game it would make sense. In a game called Final Fantasy, with phoenix downs, potions and healing magic it doesn't.

[@azureflame125]

+MrFutago87 Dissidia disproves that theory because in that game characters are taken from their storylines to fight each other. Since Ultimecia (not Edea) was the villain chosen to fight Squall, that proves she is real and not a part of his imagination. So there, SE already shot down the Squall is dead thing.

[@thealmightymegamasta14]

+MrFutago87 Another thing is that the spike just went through his shoulder. There are no vital organs near that area.

[@yoster39]

+MrFutago87 there is actually more proof of the rinoa is ultimecia theory than the squall is dead one. I don't get how the latter got more famous.

[@Vghhm]

Conspiracy theory... Rob is actually decoy octopus!

[@karlotheim4249]

What is the song that plays during the Limbo segment?

[@adrianomoranmosella1391]

Same here! Really want to know!

[@joshcahill6880]

Dido

[@alexmakela1891]

Karl Otheim same

[@ThisIsTheTruth34]

One of my favorite videos you guys have done, love stuff like this!

[@drkvoid1]

What is the melody during the Limbo sequence?

[@adrianomoranmosella1391]

Do you know?

[@drkvoid1]

+Adriano Moran Mosella No. Do you?

[@hannesc.9823]

Pls sb help

[@jessicafuimaono3046]

Rinoa=Ultimecia fan theory is cool and believable. Squall is Dead theory is not cool and doesn't really work if the Ultimecia theory is true, because how else would Rinoa even get Griever off of Squall if he's dead before they even get to that point? Squall gets impaled by Sorceress Edea, and then nearly a whole disc later he gives Rinoa his ring so he'd have to be alive for that. Also the idea of him being dead and the rest of the game from Disc 2 onwards being his pure imagination takes away a lot of the credibility of the game's storyline.

[@MrOmniblast]

There really was cake, though.

[@luiscamacho2862]

Your Friday Feature videos deserve waaaaaaaay more views, seriously. KZbin's best

[@adrianomoranmosella1391]

Music in Limbo?

[@Gatatog]

Forget the indoctrination stuff, my favourite theory is that Mass Effect and Dragon Age exist in the same universe. It could be argued that a lot of the evidence is down to lazy writing at Bioware, but both series share quite a few similarities to do with biotics and magic or even the Reapers and Darkspawn.

[@morganlemons1694]

Yeah take the lemons.....

[@ArtemisTherion]

Squall didn't die he was just teleported to Traverse Town.

[@kitari3655]

As a huge fan of 8, which is quite often passed over or hated, I'm super glad to see it show up twice. Personally, I arrived at the 'Ultimecia is Rinoa' conclusion when I played it (way too many times) as a kiddo, and I still like it. It makes a lot more sense than this random time witch showing up to mess with stuff because? Reasons? Who knows? But I've never been a fan of the Squall is dead theory. It's just too contrived, too boring, and too overdone. There's a 'main character was dead all along!!!' theory for seemingly every piece of fiction out there, and they just bore me.

[@Shiki0414]

Never seriously played FFVIII but reading these I see a lot of evidence for the Rinoa is Ultimecia theory. Even the proof people use to say that she can't be Ultimecia 'cause Withches have normal lifespans states that Witches can't die until they've passed on their power.

[@RealMeefa]

The Destiny "The Traveler/Guardians are evil" theory. It's so cool, it'd make the game story so awesome later down the road leading up to a climactic boss battle with the Traveler itself

[@adamantiumpandas701]

The hole in Squall's face was horrifying!!!!

[@Mazzademann]

Having never been a fan of the final fantasy games I had no idea what rob was talking about XD Great video though keep uo the good work guys!

[@MoogleSan]

With FF8 I just can't believe the Squall is dead theory. If you look at it from the writers point of view it is incredibly unfulfilling. Having everything that happened to your characters be all a dream, or a figment of someone's imagination. No one is going to spend all their time, effort and personal feelings into writing a complicated plot, just for it to be superseded by a flimsy hidden retroactive plot device that takes away the weight of your entire story

[@khadijahal-jabri6158]

Have you read Pincher Martin by William Golding? It's the same premise and critics attacked it viciously, calling the ending a gimmick and describing it as an abuse of the author's powers.

[@timekeeper2538]

Are you sure about that? There are plenty of writers who have written much more "unfulfilling" stories, in the traditional sense.

[@Tzeeensh]

That's a called a Twilight Zone ending. And it's usually not satisfying.... MGS2...Prey...

[@Goldnfoxx]

I know your comment is a year old, but I can't help but respond to "...it is incredibly unfilling...having everything that happened to your characters be all a dream, or figment of someone's imagination." Uhm. Did you play Final Fantasy X?

[@shenloken2]

It's on the same lines as the "Cloud accidentally killed Aerith" theory. It obviously wasn't the writer's intention. But fans are like "Screw convention. I'm gonna come up with my own theory and get "famous" off it."

[@davedogge2280]

You've got a great channel .. you remind me of the Harry Hill of Playstation games !! keep up the good work my good man !

[@Whysosadams]

BUT HEY THATS JUST A THEORY... A GAME THEORY.

[@Tracker947]

What's the piano score that plays during the Limbo scene? I asked when it was featured in another video but I'm asking here as well to double the range of people seeing and hoping it gets a quicker answer.

[@danieljohnston9723]

Why does rob hate delsin if he created him

[@ribby9069]

+daniel johnston Maybe delsin created rob!

[@connornorcott4422]

Like Victor Frankenstein and his monster, some say there is an innate love between the two, that fuels the hatred Rob has for Delsin.

[@danieljohnston9723]

I wanted rib to answer

[@ribby9069]

daniel johnston I did answer :P

[@danieljohnston9723]

I meant rob you faker ;)

[@gilbertotabares8196]

beards comin along nicely buddy. keep up the good work. also nice episode

[@Spidstar]

I personally don't like the Squall is dead theory, (Don't like the thought of playing 3 more discs and it's all just some kind of dream) I have watched a few vids on KZbin about the theory before and it does kind of look like it was the idea but it was scrapped. It's just weird it's all kinda messed up, glitchy, faceless squall then Rinoa finds him laying there then it's all happy music, showing what all the other characters are up to. The camcorder, then after credits the kiss etc. I dunno, I'm sticking with the happy version as I prefer it lol class game.

[@xSwordLilyx]

The Squall theory reminds me of trying to remember a dream you had. You know when you first woke up you could remember what somebody'sdreamface looked like, but after less than an hour of being awake, it'stisvague fuzzy mess. Particularly detailed things... like faces. They do say the only thing you can equate dying to is dreaming...

[@twilightvulpine]

Why is there always a theory that the characters are dead or insane? Those are the flimsiest, sorriest ones. Maybe Limbo can make it plausible, but Final Fantasy 8? What is supposed to be the whole rest of the game? Just delirium. That's silly.

[@jorddincrawford1166]

They claim that the rest of his game is his "flash before his eyes" where it shows everything he wanted to be in life and coming to except his death. I dont believe it though

[@dragonmaster1138]

I'd heard shortly after the game's release that the reason the rest of the game is so wonky (after the second defeat of edea (been a while, is that name right?) is because the second half was supposed to be fore an entirely different game.

[@kazumablackwing4270]

There's also a long-standing theory that the version of Link that is the protagonist in Majora's mask is also dead... not confirmed, but somewhat plausible, given certain npc dialogue

[@funyarinpa336]

Limbo can't just "make it plausible" because in Limbos case it's not a theory. It's the actual message the game tells you. The FF8 "Squall is dead" theory is quite a streth though. I do believe that it makes sense for Ultimecia to be an older Rinoa from a different timeline but as far as Squall being dead goes there's just way too much of a need to interpret many things as "purely metaphorical" for this to work. I enjoy when you can take 9 pieces of clearly stated information, point at a 10th one and go "If THAT one was really just a metaphor for something else it would tie the other 9 together wonderfully and everything would make sense." but if 10 out of 10 points need to be considered a metaphor for a theory to be viable it might just not be a viable theory.

[@kinetiklee1464]

I loathe the Squall is dead theory and refuse to believe it. My heart would surely break otherwise 😭

[@lightswitchy]

Of course they're dead. Limbo is in between Heaven and Hell. If you are there, you are stuck until you are judged.

[@DecepticonMegatron]

Yoshinori Kitase just murdered the FF8 fan theories outright in a recent interview, but did say that if they were to remake 8, the idea of Rinoa actually being Ultimecia is an interesting idea that maybe could be explored.

[@sandman366]

Wait, hang on..if both FF8 theories are true, _and_ you assume the whole game actually happened, then FF8's story is probably the primary antagonist trying to resurrect the primary protagonist. The whole game is *your* ensuring Squall is dead. *If* Squall is dead at the end of Disk 1, assume some kind of apparition or monster clone or SOMETHING took his place for the rest of it, and the memories just fade off at the end and whatever took his place died. Between Rinoa being a sorceress, her memories of him, and whatever was left of (Squall, his replacement, and/or his memories) made Griever. This just reminds her of him every time she sees it, and eventually she goes through with the time compression to see him as him, or try for some kind of resurrection, or something, and he and past her just kill her off. (Perhaps some form of elaborate suicide? Knowing that actually has to happen otherwise time paradox, but still wanting to see him one last time?) Or maybe half the game is some form of hallucination combined with the above. (Or none of it, and it *is* just a weird dream as he dies. But saying the majority of FF8 was "all just a dream" feels remarkably cruel and harsh.) You know, I wasn't a huge fan of FF8 the first time I played through it, and now it's (potentially) just horribly depressing....

[@sojournertaylor2280]

i'm surprised you didn't mention gary oak's dead raticate. i love that theory, it make so much sense

[@SrmegaCabra]

You can say that pretty much any character in FF are the same character, they all look likes the same member of a Jpop band.

[@RymanRocks]

+SrmegaCabra I wanna argue against that, but I can't...

[@SuperLumipallo]

You..! I'll be around the corner murmuring in anger because of what you said was absolute truth but I still don't like it.

[@amplifysenpai3175]

damn right in the childhood, and adulthood..

[@lune5289]

Not my *Balthier

[@XiongGou]

I'd actually disagree with that. Everything prior to FFVII and including IX and XII had a very medieval style or steampunk look. Usually it is Tetsuya Nomura's designs that fit the stereotypical Japanese look.

[@CassyVilAudios]

Fun fact: FemShep is actually the most canon Shep, as the creators designed her and her personality first, and only added MaleShep when they realized/remembered male gamers would be pretty peeved at not being able to be men in a game that had customization of the playable character.

[@nathancrapo9788]

Squall is Dead

[@jorddincrawford1166]

He is never dead.

[@jorddincrawford1166]

In posts about how this theroy is wrong it even goes to show that in Zells video at the end that was claimed to be "Squalls heaven" that if he had died he wouldnt of known Laquna as someone important to him or that he had lost someone he had loved. also another huge point is that he had the dreams before he died. Why would he have them if he was going to die?

[@XTORD1]

i will be honest all those ff 8 theories i dont really belive any of them, firstly because i really love the game, secondly because i like squall and rinoa and the characters and lastly because i like the story/plot or whatever .... ppl seem to mix plot /story / and characters development / character driven story all the time...

[@drkvoid1]

Can anybody state what the melody for LIMBO is? Please help! I am obsessed with it.

[@jinrex015]

Tifa pantyshot on the background

[@sagethegreat4680]

You get tifa panty shots in the actual game

[@janisteri6398]

4:08 I instantly thought ''Hey it's Sony Bravia remote! I have that too!'' It's a damn fine TV in my opinion.