7 MISTAKES that are holding back your painting

Paint Perspective Podcast 42, featuring... 7 MISTAKES self-taught Warhammer painters make.
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This week, Paul returns to the podcast! The concept of being "self-taught" in miniature painting is not something you often hear of. But we forget how now there is so much instructional content online, it has almost become the default for a new painter to learn on KZbin, without the helping hand of a hobby buddy. In this episode, we compare our experiences and discuss some of the mistakes and bad habits new painters could run into...
Also in this episode, the return of listeners comments, our question of the week about painting grim dark in a box art style, and of course share some of our hobby hacks!
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0:00:00 Intro
0:00:36 The era of Paul
0:01:07 The DeWalt Sniper
0:06:00 Explanation, demonstration, imitation
0:09:08 Hobby updates
0:22:30 Listeners comments
0:22:41 Are tank bases weird?
0:27:41 Making excuses for your work
0:36:40 Is there too much painting content?
0:38:48 Mistakes self-taught painters make
0:39:52 Watching too many videos
0:44:04 Copying painting styles
0:48:59 Distractions
0:56:13 Learning too many techniques
1:07:17 Stop taking shortcuts
1:15:41 Learning to critique models
1:22:24 How to give helpful feedback
1:37:43 Avoiding bad habits
1:50:54 QOTW: Grimdark ‘Eavy Metal
1:56:31 HH: Exaggerated contrast
2:01:54 Support the show!

[@RunawayStereo]

Playing Siege Studio bingo today. "homer Simpson BBQ" "New James-ism" "Base rims" "George has painted one whole troop for his Blood Angels" "New hardware tool hack"

[@deepfriedjonny90]

Paul is great on the show. Its nice to hear his perspective as someone who isn't expected to have commission level painting all the time. he can just share his fun and encourage others to have fun in a different way because he might not have the assumed knowledge that james and george have but hes having fun learning their knowledge. That encourages to me to go and experiment and go mental with colour instead of just following the herd as it were.

[@The40Kwarrior]

Thanks, I think it’s quite nice to add a ‘beginner’ level to the podcast. I do get a bit nervous doing them but it’s nice to be able to reach other hobbyists out there at my level.

[@deepfriedjonny90]

@@The40Kwarrior looking forward to seeing you on the podcast. This one you definitely made me stop and think "why am I following ' the rules ' " . Cheers mate 👍

[@Bodom1after1midnight]

Right, own up, who's gone and primed the side of George's hair white?

[@GeorgeColemanMinis]

must be frosting from the super glue I use to stick my hair tufts on

[@YourHighnessIV]

A hobby hack I've found but not mentioned much but you can freeze miliput for upto a couple days it will essentially pause the process so if youre like me and always make up way too much chuck in the freezer and yeah extends the life majorly. But love the content gentlemen keep up the great encouragement

[@koelkast9]

Wow this will change my hobbying. Thanks!

[@rhag1394]

I store both milliput and green stuff in the freezer (unmixed). This way they stay fresh for years instead of going bad (particularly green stuff) within less than a year.

[@pa86_]

Also works for green stuff and the mix of both. I do it all the time.

[@josephbradshaw2825]

Can we please get a mention in the next podcast Simon's first solo siege class at element games and the need for his own merch as he must have said "Full Beans" well into the triple figures over the weekend Mainly a shoutout though to a great class

[@Grintendo]

This was the best podcast for me. I often over think the learning process but just listening to this has reminded me the balance of learning to be better and being happy wit your own style. Its also why i did a siege in person class. It taught me more than all the youtube videos ive consumed.

[@Dingusmaningus]

After a decade not modeling i got caught up on tutorial videos and ended up just taking notes, putting on my music and just working through my mistakes and advanced faster than pausing a video for every step and being babysat

[@adaml2910]

What an amazing podcast. I really love episodes with Paul.

[@The40Kwarrior]

Thank you, I do get a bit nervous doing them 😂

[@kgp277]

I think slowly working through one full army as a beginner is fantastic. I’m 400 hours into my first army (blood Angels 😅) and it’s highly repetitive, but gradually teaches you every fundamental technique as you work through your line troops, vehicles, champions. Progress is insane

[@dzzzzz3366]

By the time you've finished your army you would have progressed so much that you'll want to go back and re-paint the first half you did 😂

[@RotnDot]

When I'm painting, I often have an audio book playing about the subject I'm painting. For example, listening to Gaunt's Ghosts while I'm painting my imperial guard seems to trigger my creativity and enjoyment of the act of painting the 263th guardsmen.

[@Thornspyre81]

I actually did the "go mental with color" during a paint session not too long ago because I constantly fall into the "must smooth the blend gradients to the extreme" and wanted the contrast I see and love in so many great miniatures. It was some of the most fun I've had painting probably ever. I also played with saturation a lot in addition color extremes. Tasty stuff! Cheers.

[@MrKirchstein]

I use electric drill also a lot! (Wowstick). Can’t imagine living without that.

[@joshslappa6549]

Maybe it’s cause I was a bull rider, but I love the “fear” part of trying new techniques. Gives me a little rush, and it’s a lot easier on the body🤣

[@LordBelakor]

I need to have something on when I paint, and your podcast (with all the backlog of episodes I have to watch) makes it easy for me to find great content to watch while painting

[@andymtg2706]

Would love to see Roisepaints and Kaazim on the show!

[@jamescurtis2112]

Such a great episode. The 3 water pots just blew my mind. My paint pot is an old Easter egg tea cup, with about 15 years of paint crud on the sides. I also find photographing minis a good way to spot things you're not happy with.

[@LOLviegoflame420]

I’m an electrician and the dewalt sniper drop had me rolling! Just as long as you drill straight and controlled you are good

[@scottanderson3967]

Being a painter and decorator for over 30 years, only painting minitures for a year. I found its like doing a apprenticeship again..people need to get the basics right to the point you don't really need to think about what you are doing. e.g. preparation, priming ,base coating and basic edge highlighting. When you get them right it goes a long way to how your finished modle looks .

[@Grimdark_Mark]

Another great podcast, a top listen team. I may sneak another question in later 🙂

[@garyjenson1326]

When I paint in complete silence I do concentrate more but I tire much quicker.

[@JonnyTheKing]

Joe is looking good this week

[@Moonlighter_TV]

Big +1 from me for the wow stick. It is 100% a luxury accessory and not a necessity. I've done plenty of manual pin vice drilling and it's fine and the drills are cheap but I have multiple power armor armies with lots of bolters and Im still addicted to pinning my minis feet to the bases and zipping through a 10 man unit with the wow stick is so breezy and quick. It is low speed but high torque so you have a lot of control but that drill just blasts through the plastic smoothly at a nice controllable pace without having to finesse a trigger.

[@jorgemontero6384]

You guys had VHS? Lucky! I had a guide written by Mike McVey, from back when Citadel pots were shaped like the current Nostalgia brand. How much paint to put in the brush? A palette? You better imagine it, because the guide has nothing on this!

[@t.j.e2231]

I have to give the power drill a go since I hate the pin vice drill, and I've put a drillbit through my finger with that.

[@wilhelmredhood7296]

Power drilling gun barrels? That’s nuffin. When I clean my mold-lines, I actually put on high-vis workwear place the model on my driveway, and then hop behind the wheel of my bobcat, and use the front edge of the dozer-blade to clean the model. Sometimes I even put out traffic cones if it’s a big model. True story

[@petejobson5036]

I think to answer Jim's question @38:18 of if someone from came from the past to the future and where would they even start. I'd generally suggest Siege Studios poddy haha they'd find comfort in the retro talk and also learn from the modern takes.

[@GodOfMoxie555]

Yeah been using a super small power drill and it's been amazing, have way less errors then with the hand drills since you don't have the movement from your own body

[@mattyrw]

Loving the podcast cheers chaps have binged them all now unfortunately! Would love to hear you discuss your favourite miniatures from each faction I know you have covered fav paint jobs previously but would be interested to hear your fav miniatures. All the best 😊

[@canopychondros]

dremel barrel driller in the house

[@redsven7624]

I paint to a decent tabletop but have occasionally been asked for feedback, one thing you eluded to don't think covered, is asking the person looking for feedback what's your goal? I found that really helps focus the feedback in terms of next steps etc

[@brenthartman502]

As an Aussie, I find your videos entertaining, informative and always a great watch. Maybe I need some help... LOL cheers.

[@Bunyip_Studios]

I'm a 3 jar washer, Acrylic Wash, Metallic Wash, and Rinse Jar. Both wash jars have a drop or two of washing up liquid, the Rinse is just clean water with a few natural sponges in it

[@goforitpainting]

Cool podcast 👍

[@Bucket_Boy101]

Man I tried to drill the barrels on my scarab occult terminators with a pin vice and did a shit job, the pin vice slipped more than once so I have some off-centre holes and at least one that went through the edge of the barrel.

[@OldGoat-cw8he]

I use the wow drill. It's a little lower speed.

[@RequiemWraith]

My preference when painting is music. I can put on an album, or on the odd occasion that I've got longer to paint, queue up 2 or 3 of them, and then just get on with painting. Takes away any risk of having to look at the screen or switch to a new video etc.

[@MichaRabiej]

MY choice are "talking heads" videos on the topics that interest me, like science, history, what happens in the country that borders mine, this sort of stuff.

[@shermanmesser6189]

I think the issue of tanks on bases is you have a very square shape sitting on a round shape. I personally dont like how infantry look on square bases. Infantry have all this fluid movement/sphere of interaction yet we put them on a hard line shape? The disconnect kinda goes away when ranks of infantry are formed because the silhouette goes from this round body individual to a block of infantry. The "frame" matches the image.

[@Salitorn]

I use a dewalt drill as well. LIke you said in the video with Peachy, its about trigger control. If you drill into your finger, please stay away from any home improvement store and DIY projects.

[@DaronSchmit]

Loved the commentary this week! The topic of self-taught painters made me think of what advice you would give to someone who is starting to teach their friends how to paint minis?

[@doohiky]

Submission for Question of the Week: Any tips for removing mold lines that run across a fist and between fingers?

[@sinisterplank3113]

Fold a piece of high grit sandpaper, or get in there with a dodgy tip of a dull hobby knife, and just be patient with it. A knife that's seen better days is a great mold line scraper in general, cause it's small, stiff and nimble, but not sharp enough to gouge off detail.

[@Elfhelm]

Copying painting styles is a good exercise though and while you should work on developing your own style, occasionally trying to go for artsy style like Craftworld folks or light-shadow heavy Carravagio-like style like Richard Gray will definitely open up your eyes to new things

[@Mornomgir]

How many not self- taught hobby nerds do you think there is? I have in nearly 40 years of this hobby not ever met one person that came into the hobby as a pro.

[@charliekirkpatrick695]

I remember the days of Dreadnoughts and Sentinels sans bases... dark times 😅

[@komma8203]

Uhh i love that, that should be a tshirt for the podcast. Shut up and sit down and paint

[@davelogeman]

What format are your patreon tutorials (PDF, KZbin, etc)?

[@SiegeStudios]

Hi Dave, we have a lot of PDF and some videos also, to find out more please head to: www.patreon.com/siegestudios

[@CassyCat4]

I mean I could drill barrels and stuff but I just use a dot of black 2.0 as I am as resourceful as I am lazy.

[@MichaRabiej]

Watching videos instead of practicing allows to appreciate if painted mini is good or not, at the same time does not really push practical skills ahead. So when it comes to actual painting mini, the painter is very well educated to judge his work as a piece of... "it rhymes with meat". And the painter likely knew what to do to make his mini great, but failed to dilute paint properly, applied edge highlight unevenly, lots of small mistakes that will ruin the mini. Or the video didn't show what to do to make mini look "painted" not "stained" when using contrast paint, how to recover from mistakes. I remember when Sheldon from Big Band Theory knew how to drive the car "theoretically". Also its like being able to catch the ball, information that you do that with hands is not very useful if you don't spen your childhood practicing your motor skills to be able to do it. That said I have to go outside to throw ball at my kids.

[@sinisterplank3113]

I have to remind myself of this all the time, and its true for any hobby, skill or sport, our tastes develop faster than our skill.

[@MrLizard08]

Can someone please help: in which episode they talk about painting im subassembly vs painting the whole model?

[@SiegeStudios]

Originally it was very early on in a kind of "jokey" way - episode 3 potentially, but it comes up sporadically in other episodes since then too.

[@MrLizard08]

@@SiegeStudios thank you 👍 is there any chance you can talk about it as one of main topics?

[@olliefisher5435]

I’m gonna put a comment saying I miss Joe so he doesn’t get chronically depressed reading all this Paul love

[@The40Kwarrior]

I miss him too 😂 he’s a bit more professional at doing these than I am!

[@Prickles2001]

There's no reason to use a hand drill over a battery drill for gun barrels.

[@bornincrimson]

James it’s never too late to develop a style! Start copying some other artists or art (even non-mini stuff) and see what you like or what you come up with!

[@sonjabutler7188]

"Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness" by Oscar Wilde

[@sinjmckenzie6170]

James mate you said that something was anathema a couple of times. Anathema is when something is poisonous or hateful or repellant, whereas I think you meant something that is vague, non-concrete, or hard to grasp? I think you're probably reaching for enigma / enigmatic, rather than anathema. Sorry to be that guy.