7 Rifles I Wouldn't Trust on a Hunt

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[@backfire]

Sorry guys. Forgot to mention the heavy rifle is a Bergara Premier Approach. I may put a new stock on it to lose some weight.

[@jsol4477]

I thought it might be, I also have the Approach gen 1 in 6.5cm and it shoots sub half moa with Gold Medal 140/130gr and Prime 130gr ammo. Great for shooting from a blind but at 11lbs it gets heavy stalking your game.

[@todsimpkins8908]

My bergara in 308 is by far the most acurate rifle I own. Love that rifle.

[@stevefisher2121]

13 pounds or not- I’m carrying that Bergara!!!!! Great video!!!!

[@shaneklimes953]

The weight restriction in idaho, if nobody has clarified, is 16lbs with everything scope sling and ammo. If it's over, you can't big game with it. The weight restriction is for big game only

[@Bubben246]

@@shaneklimes953 Do you happen to know the reason why?

[@kristian762]

Im a South African and I live in limpopo near Kruger. I hunt with a suppressor, always. The biggest reason is that we often try take off multiple animals in a day, because I live in a hunting area I just drive where I need to go for day hunts, instead of going on a multi day trip. The suppressed rifle doesn't have the same impact in terms of making other game skittish as an unsuppressed rifle, making it easier to harvest more game in a shorter period of time. That being said, I still like to walk and stalk with my electronic muffs, over years of shooting my hearing has deteriorated, and with the electronic muffs turned up to full volume it amplifies any little noise I make while on a stalk, helping me stay more quiet

[@kristian762]

@CamaroZ28Nut3 man that sucks... that's a lot like what we have to do in order to buy a firearm in South Africa. Each individual firearm that you own has to be licensed, and that license has to be applied for every time, and that process usually takes 6 months. They're also usually double the price here. I bought a .22 lr for my daughter in January, I'm still waiting for feedback on the license application. We're also limited to 4 firearms per person, unless you go through the process to become a dedicated hunter or dedicated sports shooter, and then you still have to motivate for why you need each firearm that you apply for

[@dvrn86]

@CamaroZ28Nut3 Here in the UK it's portrayed as almost rude not to have a sound moderator (or suppressor in US) on your rifle. Has to be added to your firearms license.

[@busansanai]

​@CamaroZ28Nut3 in Canada it's simple, no suppressors no silencers.... doesn't matter which province. #tears

[@tonybrannen1740]

Great reply!

[@chrissmith8041]

I use electronic hearing protection for hunting with my brake. Living in the PROC (Calif) we can't have suppressors and I was amazed at the diff it made when shooting 300 WM with a brake. You can find electronic hearing protection relatively affordably now and we (my hunting buddies and me) can communicate just fine before and after the shot. I make folks with me aware before getting into a shooting situation if I know they don't have hearing protection. Wearing hearing protection is good habit to get into anyway and with the right set, they enhance hearing also. I've just gotten in the habit of making sure I have them with me along with fresh batteries whenever I go hunting. If you make it as habitual as making sure you have ammo, it shouldn't be a problem. Brakes are effective, they just have to be accommodated for.

[@johnmoore5544]

I got a Christensen ranger and it had same problem. I sent it in and they took care of it. Now it’s my favorite squirrel rifle. Extremely accurate and easy to shoot

[@johnmoore5544]

@@briansmith2616 I also have a Mesa in 300 win mag and a ridgeline fft in 280 AI. Both shoot well under an inch with the right loads. I have had no issues with them at all. Some of my favorite rifles

[@JAlapeck]

Agree, had very poor extraction on mine. Christensen sent a return label and had it repaired and returned ASAP with a free magazine. Runs great now, super accurate rifle. Love it and have restored faith in CA.

[@scotteger6271]

Any idea what’s causing the issues with the Rangers? Like what Christensen is fixing/replacing when they go back? I’m glad they’re making them right but it’s a shame they couldn’t have done that to rifles before they were put on store shelves

[@johnmoore5544]

@@scotteger6271 I believe the issue was to do with the way the extractor held onto the rim but the bolt mechanics would knock the empty off the extractor most of the time and it would stay in the chamber.i believe they fixed the issue with a few replacement parts. I’m guessing since it was one of their early runs those issues have all been sorted out but don’t know that for sure. I have been looking at the 22 mag version and would not hesitate to buy it personally. I own three of their rifles the 22, a 280ai fft Ridgeline, and a 300 win mag Mesa. All shoot fantastic.

[@scruffyarms]

Pretty sure you were talking about me with the 6.5 PRC ;) Thanks! Yes, if I had your experience with the Patriot, I would never get another one. You brought up a great point about it being the .308. I have had some others I know have the same problem with the .308 and 30-06. For my 6.5 PRC I did take the Patriot out of the factory stock and I found a small plastic pillar at the end of the stock that rests under the barrel. I can only imagine that you think it is free floated but every time you shoot, you are hitting that plastic pillar. That can't be good. After I put it in an MDT Oryx Chassis, I'm a constant 1/2 MOA with Precision Hunter and Match ammo. So if you have a Mossberg Patriot or Predator, take it out of the stock and check it!

[@kenorrah8072]

I’m personally a fan of the muzzle brake . I understand your reasoning, but where I live suppressors are not an option. The recoil reduction/ spotting of your shot easily outweighs the minor annoyance of wearing hearing protection. I actually think that modern electronic hearing protection is an advantage when hunting if you get the right equipment. Great channel, love the content 👍

[@virtuaguyverify]

Life is better on the other side. Get you a suppressor, you wouldn't want to drive a car without a muffler, would you?

[@highplainsdrifter9631]

​@@virtuaguyverify for pure recoil reduction, a muzzle brake will always be more effective. One device is expelling gas while the other is capturing it. A Magnum rifle that produces heavy recoil is much more enjoyable to shoot with a good muzzle brake.

[@urgamecshk]

@@virtuaguyverify canada...

[@orangerider2827]

​@virtuaguyverify none of my cars or bikes have mufflers. Loud and proud baby. I shoot and it has a loud bang that's fun. If I wanted silence I'd use a bow.

[@brucemorrison8357]

I disagree. My precious hearing is way more important than a little extra push on my shoulder.

[@pwrplnt1975]

For what Christensen charges for a rifle it shouldn't ever be on a list of rifles not to trust!

[@pizzahunter808]

Yup. Same with Fierce. It's an epidemic!

[@stuartmeier240]

Neither should Browning. They are way too proud on price to be what they are.

[@joshuameade8953]

As a former Christianson owner TWICE, there guns are trash

[@ericthered7226]

​@@joshuameade8953 , what I've seen out of them, I'm not impressed at all.

[@montuckyman4982]

They are all cheap production rifles. All copying rem 700 that isn't great. All production rifles are a gamble. Some like Tikka are basically zero risk gamble.

[@jeffbarrett7497]

Re: Savage Axis I have one and live in Oregon. Very wet here. Yes, the steel is produced at a lower price point and can rust more easily than others. But with a bit of simple care, this is easy to avoid. Odie's Oil on the outside. Tri-Flow on the inside. Good to go. 9 years on mine and still looks great.

[@scottweagel5416]

I have a Savage Axis in stainless because of Oregon weather.

[@danielclark2864]

I also have a Savage Axis with a stainless barrel and never had a problem, but like you said a little bit of care goes a long way.

[@EliCarlton]

I would assume this same advice applies to the axis 2? i was looking at getting one for my first hunting rifle and i would love to know proper maintenance. In arizona there isnt usually much moisture but better safe than sorry

[@scotteger6271]

@@EliCarlton axis 2 just means it’s has the accutrigger there’s nothing different about the way the rifle is made. I’ve found Break Free CLP and Birchwood Casey Barricade both work well at protecting less expensive firearm finishes.

[@ChronicalsofAl]

Looking at a CVS Cascade in 6.5prc (owned or partnered with Savage) because it comes Ceracoated which should be an extra layer against corrosion. I have two blued Savage rifles because they have excellent accuracy for very little $$$ and they've both given me outstanding durability.

[@blightedblue2762]

I enjoyed listening to you on Ron's podcast. You 2 are my favorite hunting KZbinrs. It was like a dream come true.

[@Wiekman1]

Great to hear you are coming back to SA Jim, I am sure the group will enjoy it as well. Keep up the great content

[@007JakeD]

AR in .223 is endlessly wonderful for coyote. I was hunting with a 123gr Hornady Black in my 6.5 Grendel. That heavy buggar was launching right through them… I swapped out for my .223 and I was dropping them like flies!

[@brianwilson4861]

I've shot a bunch of coyotes with my AR-15 in 5.56 and I've never had one run off. And I've made some poor shots in my day. I shoot the cheapest 55 gr fmj ammunition too. I've shot javelina, whitetail, mule deer, feral hogs, jack rabbits, foxes, bobcats and never hit one that got away.

[@sherawnkindle2384]

If you have runoffs with 223 you are not hitting vitals

[@joelkoning6190]

Exactly, I've seen coyotes run off after someone shoots them with a 243. A bad shot is a bad shot.

[@samuelbaggett5002]

Great points, explanations, and insights! I love muzzle brakes, but after a few hunts with my favorite muzzle brake, I certainly understand your reasoning. More reasoning now for me to bite the bullet purchasing a suppressor. Thanks for sharing!

[@IE_Tiger]

Great to see the Momentum getting some love. The Elite series is definitely worth the extra money.

[@billg6051]

Great content as always! Thanks for the awesome content & your time! 👍

[@michaelchaoticreason5059]

Thanks for sharing about your experience. I really appreciate it. Just a note, I use a blast forwarding device on my hunting ar rifle. Can't afford a suppressor yet! ;)

[@G19Jeeper]

You are the reason I picked up a Kimber Montana.280AI and I must say, I think it will quickly become a favorite. Topped with a 2-10 VX5HD and Leupokd Backcountry ring mounts to keep weight down. Very nice pointing gun

[@Ben-ry1py]

280AI is a sweet cartridge!

[@frankmccarthy2624]

I’ve got one too…

[@txgunner00]

I have 3 different 280ai rifles. Love the cartridge

[@jayoutdoors1534]

You spend the money but my grandfather's 30-30 will still do better with iron sights.

[@G19Jeeper]

@@jayoutdoors1534 you do you, but you would be severely undergunned for Mule Deer, Pronghorn, Elk etc on an out west hunt. Save that for the PA deer woods.

[@brandiwynter]

Personally my favorite AR-15 hunting caliber is 6.5 Grendel. When you can find ammo or powder or primers of course, which is almost never. After almost 4 years of this craziness my supply has finally run out so no more Grendel shooting for me 😢. Looks like .223 is the only choice left until manufacturers realize they've saturated the market with it and can finally start making other calibers in bulk. Interesting video. I only have one bolt action rifle (Savage 116 .30-06 Weather Warrior) and it was considered a "cheap" rifle at the time. I wish I had the new style stock on mine but it's still a great rifle and very accurate until the barrel gets too hot. Not really a problem when hunting.

[@kevinbuchanan5501]

If you are looking for powder, try Bruno's out of Phoenix, AZ they have plenty of powder selection at a fair price

[@Rakkasan-vr8xt]

The US and NATO ( the real NWO) is transitioning to the 6.8 SPC, they have already reduced 5.56 production at some plants. This will effectively limit civilian 5.56 within the next few years and will dry up eventually. It’s by design, no accidents when it comes to limiting resources.

[@columbusderseefahrer5682]

if you want to have sub moa you should try the German Manufacturer Heym, those rifles are just perfect.

[@AMX86]

I have a 1903 springfield, made in 1924, and is a wonderful deer rifle.

[@fredpierson7488]

I agree, I have 1903 covered to 264 by flaigs. It's a tack driver.

[@cecilguinard7828]

Ditto but my 1903a3 is from 45 and it still makes things dead at any distance.

[@christinamoneyhan5688]

New does not always mean better.

[@OutnBacker]

Agreed. I had one from 1943. Someone did a great job of sporterizing it, except for the stadard mil trigger. I justgot used to it, and it was a tack driver.

[@amgfan8928]

I got a Franchi Momentum 300 win mag, muzzle brake & Vortex scope in 2020 @ Gamaliel Shooting Supply. I hate synthetic stalks but it felt amazing. The action stood out. Another thing that impressed me was that Franchi listed the factory ammo tested on the chart in the box (Hornady Precision Hunter 200 grain). When I got home, I set up my table (2 metal sawhorses w/ plywood weighted w/ 2 bags quickcrete then used 2 ratchet straps to secure lead sled to table). I fired 3 rds into ground & sat up 1st target while cooling barrel. I cleaned then fired 5 shots, then measured w/ a Mitutoyo caliber). I repeated the process above @ 200yds. Both measured just shy .70 (MOA style of measuring) which blew my mind!!!

[@bushleague3472]

I had an Axis in .223 for awhile. It was a tack driver, and while I didnt much trust whatever the metal finish was, it seemed to soak up oil. Well oiled it survived a few Canadian winters behind the seat of my service truck without rusting. I've never really bonded with any cheap plastic rifle, so it eventually got sold. I wouldnt take it on a backcountry hunt, but it would for sure survive the average back-40 type deer hunt.

[@billmartin5709]

Krylon or Rust oleum is your friend:) I know some people wont paint a gun. Especially an expensive one. I have a Tikka T3 in 7mm08 which I have had for 15 years give or take. I got out the green and tan and went to town. I also took a 2 inch piece of piccattiny rail and JB welded it on the front left of the forend. I did that so before I got into NV and Thermal for pig hunting I could put a green Streamlight light on it. It works great but I have moved on from it for pigs but do deer hunt with it. If the game warden ever checks it he may question my hunting because it looks like a poacher setup:) After all that my answer to the Axis problem would be paint paint and more paint:)

[@Simon-talks]

Kryon or rustoleum is crap. Don’t listen to that nonsense you will ruin your guns.

[@tjfishing2714]

I bought a savage axis in stainless in 308 . Shoots factory amo well under sub moa. No issues with rust great for hunting in wet conditions.

[@seanwhite304]

AR15 16" 6ARC with 1-10× is my primary Hunting Rig for East Coast Deer and Hoggs . Q Mega Fix is 300 WSM is what I want to get once it comes out . They are gonna be coming out with Mega and Proper Fix Rifle . Mega is gonna be based off 300WM Size Cartridge and Proper is gonna be based off 375 Size Cartridge..

[@bojiden5042]

I have had great experiences with multiple caliber on the axis ! From 243 to 6.5 creedmoor the scope is the trick ! I use sig buck master scope and get great results even a 300 yard shot on a coyote with 243 Many deer with the 223 but I usually break that out after I killed a buck with my TC 6.5 or 30/30.. I use 223 for doe and small stuff

[@usa-rb5fi]

The bushnell it comes with on the cheaper ones is mediocre, I did notice mine (270) seems to prefer hornady interlocks, it has a vortex diamondback on it now.

[@Scream1980]

Nice video! I like your attitude towards the guns and pointing out that it's your personal opinion. It's unfortunate to hear about your experiences with Mossbergs. I have a .270 Patriot, and that gun shoots dead on target at 200 yards. Although my first choice to hunt whitetail is my Win 30-30 lever action, it's always nice to have a good back up, and that is my .270. I also have a Savage rifle but it hasn't gotten wet so I can't relate to that issue, yet.

[@dansherwood9851]

I recently bought a browning mtn pro in 6.5. Though I like the looks of a break the same diameter as the barrel which the recoil hog is NOT, it shoots lights out and is fairly lightweight and I have forced myself to start wearing a walker game ear which helps me hear whispers and definitely helped when sitting next to my grandkids as a spotter when shooting elk.

[@DirtyWetTrash]

I got the browning x-bolt mountain pro in 300win with the recoil hog brake and I love it. It’s a tack driver! Trigger is good and very fun to shoot. My 11 y/o neph was having no problem with the recoil. One of my favorite guns. It was expensive but it met all my expectations

[@scotteger6271]

Yea I dunno he complains about the xbolt triggers all the time…I’ve had several and still have a few and all of my triggers have been just fine…some of my smallest groups have been shot with standard composite xbolts

[@ericschultz2730]

On the muzzle break topic. I run a Mossberg Patriot (one of the few ones that can actually group decently) chambered in .450 bushmaster. I put a muzzle break on it to help lighten the recoil as that caliber does tend to beat you around a little bit after a few shots. I've only ever shot it with ear pro on. But this past fall, I was lucky enough to use it to drop a whitetail Doe. Double lung and blew through the arteries at the top of the heart. She ran all of 40 yards and piled up but I couldn't hear her crash because. Well. I couldn't hear shit. It's a loud rifle with the muzzle break on it. Might be looking into getting a suppressor if I can find one that'll fit it instead just because when you are out in the woods and you take a shot. Being able to hear an animal go down is a huge advantage.

[@dionysis84]

Just get the walkers razor and upgrade the muffs to the gel ones so they are comfortable to leave on for a few hours

[@scott6590]

I have the Ruger American ranch in .450 bm. Thought it was loud & obnoxious even with plugs and muffs. When my rugged obsidian .45 cleared jail I put it on the front and it totally changed my opinion of that gun. Tamed the noise and recoil and tightened the groups

[@MikoTactical]

I have never hunted before, and I’m looking forward to starting. Thanks for the video.

[@danlane3944]

For your Mossbergs, try pulling a dollar bill between the barrel and down the length of the stock. If it binds or is tough going, you may need to free-float your barrel. Had that happen with my Remington (.308) and I sanded out the stock a little and it went from all over the paper to an absolute nail driver. Read it in an Outdoor life article circa 1990 and it worked for me. Who knows, they may go from a shelf gun to one that gets used a lot.

[@joelkoning6190]

The Mossbergs don't shoot .308 or 7mm08 very well for some reason. I've seen othe calibers do great. The new 7mm prc in Mossberg is a tack driver .75 and under all day.

[@edwardhoward4708]

On the subject of muzzle brakes, sound out for the Witt Machine SME. It’s an integrated muzzle brake/blast can. It takes the edge off of both recoil and sound to the shooter. I would say that it makes my AR-15 in 7.62x39 sound and feel like my AR-15 in .223. I expect it would also render a .30-06 like a .308 and a .300 Win Mag like a .30-06. Highly recommended for any rifle that is not suppressed! I will know that I am in the market for a suppressor also. That’s really the way to go if your budget allows.

[@greasemonkey4god]

My kids mossberg patriot youth model in 6.5 cm wouldn’t shoot anything above 130 gn. And now his savage axis in 308 we couldn’t get on paper until I changed the trigger spring. I didn’t realize how detrimental a 6lb trigger would be!!!! Now it’s at 2.5 and shoots just fine.

[@kennethgoin628]

I've got 6 Axis in the collection, solely because I discovered the spring replacement early on, and the accuracy is quite impressive with most. My 6.5 Crd is the worst. I haven't found a factory load yet that it completely agrees with. But everything else dials nicely and gives me great confidence in my shooting. I've doubled on prairie dogs out to 525yds... with an Axis! I expand holes @100yds with my 30-06. I won't brag about the creep, or the Savage "scratch," but the softer spring really yields a great improvement at a low cost. I've also shimmed the trigger to reduce the "scratch." I will say this too, every Axis that I've put an aftermarket stock on, has shot better than the factory stock. The most noticeable was in the 22-250, turning it from discouraging to deadly.

[@akathecanadian]

As a Canadian, suppressors being prohibited, and owning a Christensen Arms Mesa in 300 win mag, I’d only shoot it with a brake as my set up weighs less than 7.5 lb. So for me, I’m looking for threaded muzzles and or brakes on rifles when I am shopping for another long action

[@danielrouw2593]

Switch to vmax on the 223. No more runaways. No exit, so it's fur friendly too.

[@michaelfregoe5875]

Absolutely. Vmax and accurate shot placement will prevent runners.

[@danielrouw2593]

@@michaelfregoe5875 found out the work fine after bouncing too. I really need to get an LRF.

[@dozenfaun]

I must agree with you for the savage axis. I own one in 6.5 creedmore with a great scope, a Boyd at-one stock and it group within 2inches at 300yards, it's an inexpensive rifle with no recoil for beginners but damn I brought it at North of 53th parallel as a small lightweight rifle and just from the light snowing from one day the barrel started to rust. None of my other guns ever rusted, even my cheap 22lr that I don't take that much care of

[@Master_Yoda1990]

Yeah that's no good. I bought a Remington 783 in 30-06 a couple years back and it was around the same price as the Savage Axis in .308. I almost bought the Savage, but I'm glad I just stuck with buying the Remington. Never had the rusting issue, accurate gun, and I love the accutrigger it has.

[@samrumade9429]

I be seen 2 at shooting range. One was brand new,guy was trying to sight in. It would not extract shot cartridge reliably. The other one was so bad at 100 yds,could barely get 5 rounds in 6 inch circle.

[@dennisholle1005]

Thanks for the video.

[@gregdenton5282]

I bought a CA Ranger last year. Wanted a CZ but they were impossible to find and the magazines were even more difficult to find. Stumbled on a Ranger at Bass Pros, liked the look, the weight and the fact it used 10/22 mags, something I had a pile of at home. I must have got the unicorn ranger because it feeds, shoots and extracts flawlessly.

[@ThemantleofElijah]

Hey Backfire, do u have any recommendations on a good 458 win mag? Currently I’m thinking of a cz550 safari. Also potentially an older BSA in 458 price is half the cost for the BSA. Do u frequent Africa Hunting website it’s a forum and very cool.

[@jordanmoore332]

I have heard those same complaints on the Ranger, I have 2 of them and they have both been great. My buddy bought one after shooting mine and his had issues, he sent it back and it has been great ever since.

[@daveenriquez7790]

Almost sounds like they use their junior apprentice gunsmiths to assemble those Ranger 22 rifles to learn on. Some very good, others not so good. I'm Glad yours is a shooter.

[@jeffwestenskow5838]

Thought there was something different about you.....then saw the tools and library app on one of your videos....well done Brother. Great videos

[@123joshmallett]

Love my ranger. Action gets better with time. It’s definitely not a slick and smooth feel like you might get with other high end rifles. But I’ve have zero issues with mine

[@valuedhumanoid6574]

My local Cabela's had an entire rack of the Savage Axis II rifles in 6.5 Creedmoor. There must have been a hundred of them, like the got a bulk price and just dropped them on the market. Like you said, scope included for $500-ish. I picked one up and it's actually the luck of the draw what you end up with. I would rank it 5 out of 10. And I noticed that the barrel was corroding just from my fingers. Not bad, but it was surprising. It was developing surface rust. So I oiled the hell out of it, and I keep the barrel wet. Not dripping, but wet. The action was a little rough until I got past the break in. When I did the first field strip cleaning I really polished/oiled up everything and now it's...passable. My range only goes out to 122 yards, so at 120 I was putting all the shots on a 10" diameter paper plate, with most in the 8" range and a few flyers. Not the best, but I am not a good shooter either. I can drop a large animal, that's about it. But my friends at my hunting club who are good shots have tried it and fared the same. The rifle just doesn't have it in itself to be accurate.

[@Brandenuzis]

I hated my axis. The obnoxious trigger, the stock and the barrel. It was very inaccurate and 1 drop of water on the barrel and the whole thing is rusted to hell. So pretty bad blueing. Which is also the reason why most of my guns are cerakoted or stainless steel.

[@valuedhumanoid6574]

@@Brandenuzis Yeah, the more I use it the more I don't care for it. I actually don't mind the trigger, I have gotten used to it. But the fit/finish and trim are way low on the scale. But, it's got its purpose. There are places I won't take my nice rifles, so it has its place

[@47SRT]

I agree with you on the Ranger 22. I did find it feeds better if you use a mag that is not the 10 rd. rotary style.

[@eugenedeckard8714]

I think rotary magazines are just flawed. They function better on paper than in practice. Same with the Ruger 10/22's. Factory rotary magazines are junk. But most knew that going into it. That's why you buy a couple 25rnd banana mags to go with it. But I hear the same issues with the 100 or 50 round mags for AR's, shotguns, and whatever else out there.

[@SteveM0732]

I've hunted in western Oregon where being rained on multiple times a day is normal. Never had a problem with my 1893 Mauser rusting or its 4x Tasco scope fogging up. That Savage would be ruined in no time out here.

[@lrac7751]

Western Washington here, you’re not entirely wrong. My axis looks like crap after 6 seasons, but it’s still a tack driver, you just gotta wipe it down with an oily rag every day

[@magaman6353]

CHECK THE SCOPES TOO! Maybe it wasn't the Mossbergs, but the cheap Chinese scopes on them that cost about $20 to make.

[@tylervolentine1286]

As far as hearing protection goes, get a pair of Axil earbuds... they enhance sounds under 70 DB and don't let sounds spike above 85 DB. FANTASTIC for hunting with muzzle brakes (which are my favorite) and just hunting in general... even suppressors will ring my ears a lil

[@jromeo6748]

My 6.5 creedmoor patriot is just fine. No issues with accuracy. Beautiful wooden stock. Came with vortex scope super value.

[@GITM42]

i have two savage axis in 350 legend i bought from cabelas up here in Michigan with the fancy camo stocks, and i personally haven’t had a problem with rust or accuracy. now i did put vortex SFP scopes on them and zeroed at 100yards with 180g winchester super x ammo.

[@jimfunchess]

I appreciate you conveying your rifle experience with all of us. This will be very helpful in helping all of us pick our next rifle/caliber. Thanks! And I'm with you on hunting with the .223!

[@ChronicalsofAl]

Agreed on 223! It's too small for deer

[@suemeade2471]

​@@ChronicalsofAl depending on the bullet construction it is worthy. But everyone has their reasons.

[@ChronicalsofAl]

True, however not nearly ideal unless you are shooting the 80lb does that so many Texans think represent the species countrywide. For those,, I use a 218 Bee or a pellet gun. You happy now suemeade, I agree with you!

[@tylerreed7097]

Thats odd. Ive had great luck with my mossberg patriot- .308. Inch and a half grouping or so but never had issues in 6 years or so.

[@ryanking3039]

I bought a Mossberg in 7mm-08. And I had the same experience as you guys at backfire. My Savage axis standard model not the Axis_ii. My Savage is Chambered in 350Legend, and it shoots 3 leaf clover size groups @ 150yrd all day.

[@fomomofo6917]

I had a Mossberg patriot in 30-06 and the action was terrible. I zeroed it in somewhat and sold it immediately lol.

[@jamiecarter9357]

Try a little "Red Oil" on your cheap matte blue finish to keep it from rusting. I've been using it for nearly 20 years as a post treatment for parkerizing. I have two Savage precision carbines that were matte blued and just didn't look right in the camo stocks with a matte blue finish so I parkerized them brefore I even fired them. My friend has an Axis with the same matte blue finish. Red oil is an old recipie that my buddy learned when was in the National Guard Marksmanship Training Unit small arms shop several decades ago. It is 3 quarts automatic transmission fluid (red F type), 1 quart 10W or 30W non-detergent motor oil, 1 pint STP oil treatment and 4 ounces Hoppe's #9. The stuff is an amazing lube and an awesome preservative on rough finishes like matte blue or parkerizing. As for the accuracy of the precision carbines or the Savage Axis is amazing, so Red Oil the barrel and let it rain.

[@deannalemburg10]

So glad you brought the Christensen 22 into the no Bueno I was looking into buying one so where to go from here

[@txgunner00]

I have purchased 8 Savage mk2 vft's for the youth shooting sports club I manage and coach. The rust if you look at them crosswise. Constantly having to scrub them down. We're slowly getting them coated but that costs as much as the gun did.

[@stevencallen93]

I have a Bergara that I bought for hunting and you're right on. Any suggestions for a 300 win mag that isn't a super light rifle, but lighter than the Bergara?

[@patrickmcgrady8367]

Weatherby vanguard. Mines a older wood stocked 300 weatherby mag and it's light enough to carry but not to bad on recoil

[@johnshepherd9676]

My big mistake was getting a Winchester Model 70 in .300 win mag. Great Mauser action rifle that just weighted too much with the scope. I much prefer the 30-06 cartridge for big North American game. The original US Army 30-06 specification was for a round that could bring down a cavalry horse at 1000 yards. That is more than enough power for any game I am going to shoot.

[@boywhohasl1vedhascometodie469]

300 Win Mag is good, but sometimes, you just need a little less gun.

[@bhud1972]

I never heard the brand of the gun at 5:41. Forgive my ignorance but I didn’t recognize that gun.

[@cadenweihe5147]

I think it could be a Bergara b-14, but I could be wrong

[@bhud1972]

@@cadenweihe5147 thanks!! I went back and read the transcript but I couldn’t find where he said it. You’re probably right though.

[@radradR0bot]

He never said the make. I don't know if that was an overnight or if his point was that evening a quality gun isn't fun to hunt with if it's heavy

[@sheethneaffer8614]

Bergara premier. I looked it up

[@backfire]

Sorry. Bergara premier approach.

[@gogart3]

Good, Thx

[@overemployed3499]

I also have the Christensen ranger and had all kinds of issues with feeding and ejecting. The bolt handle was loose and felt like it was going to fall off. I sent it in to them, which was also a pain in the ass they make you ship it back through an FFL, and they fixed it. For a $900 .22lr rifle I expected top quality. I will never buy Christensen arms again.

[@BackcountryApprentice]

Timestamps: 0:23 - Franchi Momentum 1:56 - Mossberg Patriot 3:25 - Christensen Ranger 5:41 - Bergara? 6:37 - Savage Axis 7:39 - Browning X Bolt Pro 9:07 - AR-15 in .223 10:24 - Muzzlebrakes While I agree with most of this, the Browning shouldn't be on this list. He complained about the trigger, which is easy to lower the weight of, and shooting a 28 Nosler without even a brake? Should've used a handy, short suppressor, and 7mm PRC is better anyway. Great video!

[@asap_wave7900]

Hey man!would you consider doing a review of the benelli lupo?

[@daveincanada8]

Bought my brother a axis 2 in 308, no rust issues but we've had a lot of failures to fire. Got an updated spring for the bolt, but still seems to hang fire 1 in 10. So I've pulled it apart and cleaned up every edge possible. Still need to retest it.

[@jbolz5586]

I’ve never had problems with my mossberg patriot 6.5 creedmore, mine is a synthetic stock and has always shot within a quarter since I’ve sighted it in

[@failfail715]

Same with mine

[@BubbaScreaminSizzlers]

Savage axis in 308 here. Got it on sale from a local hardware store for right about $320 out the door, I don't have a problem with rusting because I painted mine with Rust-Oleum camo paint top to bottom. Shoots sub MOA out to 600yd. (the longest range my local club offers) Ps. I haven't made a single shot on any game animal past 300yd

[@Gigachadly]

Just bought one of these two, I paid about 620$ for the savage axis 2 XP in 308, right out the box it has to have been sighted because I was hitting 1 inch groups at 125 yards. Took out a 310 lb black bear start of September with it! No rust issues to speak of but my Guns are always stored in a gun bag indoors so not sure if it really could rust or not.

[@johnfaulkner4067]

Very good and honest information and I thank you for providing that. I find the inclusion of the Bergara Approach to be without merit only because the rifle is just as it is advertised at approximately 8.5lb bare and performs above reasonable expectations. If the title of the episode is "7 Rifles I wouldn't trust on a hunt", that lends me to believe there is a reliability or performance deficiency with these rifles. The Approach is heavy, and advertised as such, and it seems you subjectively prefer less weight, which is fine, but that doesn't equate to a problem on the rifle's part, as the title of the episode would suggest. Not to brow beat you, again you put on a great show with Backfire, just offering some feedback from one viewer's perspective.

[@brett9382]

For the savage axis rust doesn't seem like something to not take hunting. You can go the correct way and do a duracoat paint job or even just rattle can the whole thing. Both fix the rust problem.

[@rsoxfan71]

For the browning X bolt, you can get a mcarbo spring that makes the trigger shootable. Mine is set to 2lbs with it. Does wonders for accuracy.

[@rsoxfan71]

$12 for spring

[@kordi7888]

Like the content man, you deserve alot more subs. Enjoy Africa and much luck

[@mikeneave18]

As a savage owner, I've owned three, and he's bang on with the rust, I had a older savage edge, and pretty much every time I took it out on a wet day I had to oil it after or it would rust. And yes the scopes are definitely cheap. Rhat being said, it always put the bullet where I wanted it to. So I tolerated it. Side note Yes coyotes are a tough animal to knock down with a small fast caliber, shot placement needs to be 150% accurate

[@tjfishing2714]

I mentioned a while ago that you would love the Franchi. Now trust me you need to get your hands on a Lithgow you will fall in love with it.

[@UltraMagaFan]

I use a good ole Remington Model Seven chambered in 7mm-08. They’ve been making those rifles for 40 years. That’s about as reliable as it gets.

[@kevindressner2647]

I have a Mossberg Patriot .308 and I have had the same issues. This helped me feel less crazy!

[@davessparetime83]

I had a brand new 10/22 and hated it. Never could fix feeding anf stove pipe cases. Tried all the mods. Sold it, bought a 25 year old Marlin 60 22LR and it fired everything perfect. Get one of those for hunting and for the kids to learn on.

[@Ben-ry1py]

I love my stainless model 60. Tube fed is just fun, and holds a lot without the downward protrusion.

[@Jeff.78]

My 10/22 has many issues from feeding to extraction and stove piping. My grandfather's Glenfield Model 25 (Marlin "value" brand) shoots everything without issue, just gotta adjust POA/POI when necessary.

[@sstrongman1667]

I’m not a fan of the newer 10/22s. It seems like they have cheapened over the years. I had a mid 90s model that I put an aftermarket barrel on that ate tens of thousands of rounds no problem. I bought a newer one and didn’t have issues, but it felt “clunky”

[@johnrussell2003]

@davessparetime83 Not sure how many rounds you put through your 10/22. The ones I and friends had in the 70s and 80s were great rifles with no problems....until they had a few thousand rounds through them. The first thing to try is a new magazine. They do get worn out and loose over time. If that doesn't help, a new recoil spring and extractor from Brownells would always cure any jamming problems and they would run like a champ again. Takes all of 15 minutes to do. I made quite a bit of side money rebuilding 10/22s this way. And I am by no means a gunsmith.

[@altruisticscoundrel]

Backfire have you tried a barrel tuner by limbsaver ($12) on those inaccurate rifles?

[@linaleahgarcia1516]

I've been thinking about getting a Christensen Ridgeline in 7 PRC, but now I'm having second thoughts based on what you said about your experience with feeding/extraction. Seeing as you really enjoyed and recommended the Fierce 7 PRC (and it's $1k cheaper than the Christensen) ... decision made!

[@chevyon37s]

The Christensen he is talking about is a ranger model, a 22LR rimfire rifle. Completely different action than the ridgeline.

[@JAlapeck]

I bought a Ranger and had major extraction issues. CA sent me a return label and had the rifle repaired and returned in a week. Even provided a free magazine. Runs 100% now. They seem to be a very good company. I will likely buy a center fire CA in the future due to how great their service was.

[@linaleahgarcia1516]

@@chevyon37s Thanks for clarifying Drew. I've never held a Fierce, but I got hands on with the Christensen Ridgeline and she's a beauty. I went back and asked the salesman if he thought it was better and he honestly said '...well I think it's slightly better, but not 1k better'. I won't 'actually' make a decision until I get hands on the Fierce.

[@linaleahgarcia1516]

@@JAlapeck That is definitely a huge Plus! Thanks for the info. Sometimes that can break a tie.

[@GB-wh3kg]

Buy the less expensive rifle and put the extra 1K into your child’s college savings.

[@joechapman8279]

I had one ranger 22 feeding and extraction were terrible sent in now functions shoots very well

[@kurtwilliams9114]

Great reviews. I agree with you overall on the 223 BUT what I’ve found with the 223 is the ammo of choice is the world!! Barns TSX 55 grain is the bomb for that rifle!! No coyote run offs!! Love the reviews. Thanks again.

[@michaelfregoe5875]

Absolutely. I was about to write the same thing. Ammo and shot placement will prevent run offs. Several coyote hunters in out area started using a higher power cartridge this season to prevent run offs.... the result was a similar percentage of run offs. Use a quality projectile and hit them in the correct spot and there won't be many, if any runners.

[@Will97675]

I’ve had really good luck with Hornady .223 GMX Full Boar on both coyotes and hogs

[@montuckyman4982]

223 with 77 TMK will quickly kill deer, elk ,bear ,moose out to 400 yards plus. And do so with absolute authority. And EVERYONE SHOOTS LESS RECOIL BETTER! EVERYONE! Bullet matter FAR more than what the headstamps says. 77tmk creates larger permanent wound channels than harder ,tough ,FUDD bullets from much larger cartridges.

[@lukecarmichael1588]

I agree with the assessment of the .223 for hunting deer. I shot a deer with a .223 when I was 13-14 years old. It did the job, BUT, there was absolutely no blood trail. It simply passed between ribs on both sides, nicking the apex of the heart and hitting both lungs. Now, had the deer not ran straight up an open trail for 70 yards before collapsing, it would have been very difficult to track. Even with that, I do k ow someone sharp enough on a scope who consistently domes his deer with a .223 every season

[@GrantMickelson]

I'm sure like many people was wondering if the Mossberg Patriot was going to show up. LOL. Thx Jim

[@codycornell5036]

Bummed you have had such bad luck with the patriots. It was the first rifle I bought myself and was in 6.5 creedmoor with the wooden stock. Shot my first deer at 218 yards double lung and got my first buck at roughly 50 yards last year. I really enjoy the rifle. No doubt the ones you have are not good though. I wonder if it’s a quality control issue at mossberg or perhaps maybe something to do with the chambering. Thank you for honest and accurate reviews! I really enjoy the channel!

[@Northwoods208]

Mossberg won't disappoint you if minute of deer lungs is all the accuracy you ask from it, they'll do that job all day. But personally I'm a head/neck shot kind of guy, so I tend to favor Ruger, Savage, weatherby, etc. because I don't have a 6-8"kill circle I'm shooting for, it's more like 1.5-2". That said, there's nothing wrong with having something inexpensive that accomplishes what you need it to

[@Hill_Billy_Without_A_Hill]

They(Mossberg patriots/Mossberg centerfire rifles)) just hands down are one of the poorest made rifles in the budget rifles. They barely have any support how action mates to stock, and many of them break or crack in that area. The savage axis is probably the better of the cheapest end, then, Ruger A, and T/C venture if they still make them, a step up, but since Ruger As are in imaginary land prices of 500+$ range(price category they do not belong in) now, your better off with a HOWA, which is a way better built gun. I've also heard good on Rem 783 rifles. If don't mind used, some of the best deals for accuracy/money, is savage 110/10 series rifles. Often overlooked jems.

[@Northwoods208]

@@Hill_Billy_Without_A_Hill well put. I'm a big fan of the savage 110's and 116's, if you can handle the extra $300 or so at the time of buying they're a way better buy than any of the "budget tier" guns

[@Hill_Billy_Without_A_Hill]

@@Northwoods208 If you get on places like gunbroker, sometimes you can find used 110/10 series rifles at similar prices as "budget rifles". I've seen barely used model 11s and 10s under $400. Just got to watch.

[@rotaman8555]

I’m going to South Africa this time next year. I’m stoked about it!

[@sibongileryan6747]

Welcome to mzantsi a weather is so great for hunting this time hope fully you post videos on you hunt

[@waynemensen4252]

I only hunt suppressed. You can communicate, which adds to safety as well.👍👍

[@corylyons1107]

You don't have to brag, not everyone lives in a free state. LoL Cheers from Illinois.

[@alexmaurice4274]

@@corylyons1107😢I hate it hear

[@vincentgrippi9524]

After sending my model 700 back to Remington due to the recall on the safety mechanism supposedly caused by to much bonding agent applied during assembly I still don’t trust it , even though it has been replaced can you really expect it not to misfire? I’ll get around to installing a better trigger one of these days just for piece of mind

[@bob49679]

Good show. It had a random ending felt short. An rife riding on a zipper on witch must have been a washed board. Would have massive scratches, and if it was wood it would have deep gouges. I have Christensen rifle I took hunting last fall and it was in the back of a 01 extra cab Tacoma. With another rifle with it going on ruff trails for a week. Not even a scratch on it.

[@waynemattson9143]

I have a Savage 110, and it has the same rusting issues. Shoots great, but I gotta take extra care of it.

[@ratagris21]

A light coat of CLP on the barrel and action and you'll be fine. Otherwise rattle can it, or cerakote it if you have the money.

[@ormatude85]

The .223 I found is extremely good when hunting something like coyote, but other than that it didn't have much other use other than home defense.

[@fatjeezussouthtexasoutdoor5244]

My AR chambered in 7.62×39 is my GO-TO for deer, wild hog, and javelins....I also use a 20" 5.56 upper for all of the same.....I've never had a problem with either caliber. The deer here are just not that big....and the secret to the 7.62 round is to use quality brass-cased ammo for accuracy and long-term reliability

[@kalindanley2843]

Jim... Are you going to get the Springfield Waypoint 2020 chambered in 7mmPRC? Any insight on how much longer the wait will be? I'm getting Impatient. May have to build a 7prc

[@backfire]

They told me they aren’t planning on doing a 7 prc for quite a while.

[@jessetherrien7851]

Hi Backfire. Wondering if you could recommend a prone shooting rest option? Looking for something steady yet portable for sighting in hunting rifles. No bench/range available so I'll be shooting on the ground in a field. Thanks!

[@blackhawk7r221]

Bipod with a sandbag under the pistol grip. That’s how we train. Sleds are not natural to sight alignment.

[@vikingsoftpaw]

Try seated, cross-legged. Although not prone, it provides a good supported position.

[@jeffreylocke8808]

All you need for the Browning 28 Nosler is a gunsmith trigger job and a refrigerator box flattened out on the ground to lay on and keep the muzzle blast from blowing up dust.

[@HenkduPlooy-ym3ed]

Enjoy your videos - greetings from South Africa

[@shaunclark1573]

I hunt on my ranch in the Ozarks in Missouri, when it come to gun or caliber options I pretty much have two of everything. I have recently switched to the 350 legend and it is now my go to round. Do you have any experience or thoughts on it?

[@wdtaut5650]

I'm shooting that in an Axis. Fed. 180gr. Power Shok does pretty well (good enough for deer). I put an M*Carbo kit in and that really helped. I made some 165 gr. handloads that it really likes. 1-4x24 scope is way better than the combo scope and is all I'll ever need for the Legend.

[@kennethgoin628]

I'm just waiting for the snow to melt, then I'll get the Patriot 350 Legend out and see what she's made of. I'll try to remember to let you know!

[@devildog8768]

Mossberg Patriot 30-06 synthetic stock I bought when it first came out in 2015. I adjusted the trigger to 2lbs pull. I got 3/4 in group at 100 yards using the scope that it came with.The ammo was Remington core 185 grain. I paid $350 for it and thought it was a great purchase. Next year I shot a mule deer at 118 yards facing me. I actually shot the top of the heart it dropped where it stood. I never had any problems with accuracy. I even took it to a range that went out to over 1/2 mile. I shot 150 grain and went out to 400 yards. I was shooting 6 inch groups. The only thing I thought was very strange I didn't change the elevation. So I shot at 100 yards left to right dead center but was six inches high with the 150 grain. I haven't been able to figure it out. I probably need to sight it in again using my hunting load before I take it on a hunt. I have seen way too many videos where the rifle doesn't hold a true zero. Did I get lucky, or did Mossberg do something with the later models.

[@reelfishing002]

Tip for using the mossberg in home defense 10 yards max 😅 Went to scheel and these are low end kid rifle (the rascal) there was 5 of them and all of them have rusty barrels , while all the rest of the rifle near by barely have any brown on their barrel 😳 I would go 556 instead of 223 , if you’re shooting pass 100 yards

[@Drivapete]

Idaho is 15 lbs on the rifle weight. I also have a 1903 Springfield 30-06 that will not accurately shoot any factory ammo I've tried to date, so off to the bench I went. I found a load that will shoot sub minute of angle at 100yds and moa at 200. Maybe that's the answer for the 308's you mentioned. I've also bought several rifles by several manufacturers from ' friends (cheap) who barely speak to me anymore because I got them to 'shoot' by developing a handload. Maybe this is your problem?

[@awesomeatrandom581]

I agree with the axis. I have a 110 and no rust issues. But the axis is brutal. I only take that for day hunts and backpack with the 110 even though its heavier

[@NOorah-oj8gt]

In Idaho our big game rifles have to be under 16lbs will all attachments. As far as the 223 I love it but not for much beyond small varmints... Bring enough gun:)

[@rayjackson1952]

Love the Christus Statue in the background.

[@attiliobarcados8178]

i have a remington 30 06 pump action , is the barrel durable ?

[@robwilson9502]

Watching and listening to this video got me thinking about barrel life. I acquired a rifle thru a friend and i love the way it shoots but have heard rumors about a “ short barrel life” . It is a 7mm RUM. What are the chances of it having a short barrel life? It’s only been fired by myself and I’ve put maybe 50 rounds thru it. Never even heard of the RUM until he gave me the gun. LoL. It is an awesome shooter but now I’m worried about those rumors. Any truth in it? Appreciate anything you can pass on about it. Thanks much!