7 Times You Failed by Being Too GOOD at the Game: Commenter Edition

[@justforkicks5112]

I fail by being bad at the game, i fail by being too good for the game. We are clearly in a wargames situation were the only way to win is to not play. Curse you developers!

[@Brasc]

That's a WOPR of a moral to this story.

[@MarkDeSade100]

"The only way to win is to not play" This applies to all "free to play" games that are really pay to win. If only more people could figure this out...

[@pandax5359]

​@@MarkDeSade100100% for pvp games like hearthstone. Pve segments or games are fine if they are reasonably time gated.

[@calvinclardy995]

How about a nice game of chess or checkers?

[@OfficialDJSoru]

"The only way to win is not to play" Great, don't expect to win any money from me then devs.

[@hhhdomination]

Didn't know using Claire at that point was an actual option, I just saw switch character and thought "Clearly this is the only option or I die"

[@knightcommander5694]

It’s the opposite for me. When this option showed up it was too late, I pushed that button good:)

[@mattalan6618]

@@knightcommander5694 im naked

[@Charlie-xu4fw]

I just wanted to play as Moira at that point really

[@TekPlayzGames]

First run of that game I had was with my little sister back when the game came out. It was my first Resident Evil game. 2 big memories come to mind. 1: we quit the game for like a month after the part you face your first Glasp as Barry and Natalia. 2: we got the bad ending because we didn't know it mattered.

[@Xeconis]

I figured that they wouldn't have a switch character option for no reason, that'd be a very very odd design choice and a system that served no purpose. So I guess I surpassed being too good at the game by understanding the game?

[@sharkjumpingwalrus6744]

The funny thing is losing to the bears is still not good enough for the actual punishment. When you lose you get to make a card from the cards in your deck, and can make some pretty overpowered cards with this. However, you can actually beat the bears if you built your deck right. If you push past both bear moments you can actually beat the game, but because of story reasons you still get killed by camera and the card you get is simply a trophy to show you got to the end. Then again, if your good enough to fend off literal bears you don't need more ways to make customizable game breaking cards.

[@jardex2275]

There's also the area right before the end of Act 1, where all your previous death cards turn on you right before you get to the cabin. If you've spent the last several runs making high powered cards, you'll have to fight through several of them to finally win.

[@KalijahAnderson]

​@@jardex2275I wonder what happens if you get there without making any death cards.

[@tornadoawe]

@@KalijahAnderson If I remember right, Leshy has a small pool of Death Cards generated already, including a few lore references such as Kaycee.

[@Orthr]

I feel it necessary to mention this STILL isn't the end of the problems of being too good. If you never create failure death cards, certain story progression events will also never happen, thus stranding you forever in Act 1 because you're too good (and/or proud) to lose.

[@omeganova4332]

Not true, even if you win you still progress the story enough to beat the act.

[@flyingwithbirbs1202]

I'm glad Andy was able to hold the old Xbox controller himself and learn how much it weighed, since Jane refused to tell him

[@anhjamietran9120]

This is the continuity I'm here for

[@kadosho02]

The Duke lives on

[@KaladinVegapunk]

As hard as the mgs torture was as a fourth grader in the 90s Playing it on my phones psx emulator was a whole new level

[@masaipeters1936]

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[@masaipeters1936]

​@@kadosho02😊gg

[@SkillsLoading]

Man of Medan, if you find the clues that reveal the name of the ship by careful exploration and use the radio to give concise information to the coast guard you unlock the most reliable "all death" route if you don't find another way off the ship. The US military knowing exactly which ship they're coming to and will eliminate all witnesses, meaning you just doomed yourself by being too good at exploring.

[@joeraymond217]

And in House of Ashes, you have to cover someone's mouth to stop them from screaming, but you're only supposed to do it 2 out of 3 times. Cover it 3x and they die.

[@minstrelofmoria]

I still think that ending's dumb. This stuff was classified in the '50s. Everyone who had an incentive to kill you over it is too old to care anymore.

[@minstrelofmoria]

@@joeraymond217 That's actually good though, because if you keep him alive for too long, he radios for help and you're locked out of another character's good ending.

[@bjchit]

@@minstrelofmoria There’s a couple of other opportunities to kill him off before that happens though, with him offering to cover the two main Marines escape being the best one.

[@joeraymond217]

@@minstrelofmoria Oh, nice, I didn't know that. I never went back for a 2nd play. Thanks. I feel better for accidentally murdering him then.

[@raphaelwellman9410]

Fun fact: A french KZbinr named Bob Lennon was so good at inscription that the first time he played he was able to pass with no difficulty the part with the bears SEVERAL TIMES, wining the first part of the game at the first try

[@MrShukaku1991]

The kicker for Inscryption on this list, is if you're good enough, you can get past the bear wall and still win. The game lets you keep going, but actually locks you out of progressing the game proper till you do lose. I should know, I didn't know you needed to lose in my new game+ playthrough, and was confused why I couldn't progress despite having won like, A dozen times by that point.

[@DeathnoteBB]

You got to NG+ and didn’t know you had to lose? How’d you pass the first run through?

[@thaddeusgenhelm8979]

@@DeathnoteBB They probably assumed that your deaths after winning were enough to progress the storyline, not realizing it had to specifically be a loss at first.

[@DMBLaan]

Andy drinks 1 more cup of coffee and he transcends into super speed, like Fry from Futurama

[@Megablueliner1]

Coffecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffecoffeecoffeecoffee

[@seand7042]

I thought the same thing...... That being said I think Andy needs a refund to get too that amount

[@saltymisfit6566]

Or the Squirrel from Hoodwinked

[@atgosh]

As a caffeine addict, I can confirm this happens. But at a cost to heart health… Worth it?

[@TheDarkEnigma]

To achieve CaffeInstinct? Any price is worth it.

[@Patrick-Phelan]

I recently learned about Moira's gunfear in Revelations 2, and I do have to say, I think Barry's getting off very, very easily here. He's a cop, so he should know about guns. He's STARS, so he should know about guns squared. And he's the weapons specialist of STARS, so he should know about guns cubed. And yet he left his guns in an unlocked cabinet around children, which isn't particularly forgiveable for someone who's supposed to know nothing about guns altogether. It's a bit of a let down, because we all love Barry in his competence, doing bosses for us, and having the most bizarre possible sense of humour, and he SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER, BARRY.

[@RanMouri82]

I think the devs did this to give Moira a phobia backstory, despite how it ruined Barry.

[@JonflipZoosa]

I'm reminded of when me and a friend played "Worms" back in the 90s, a 2D turn-based team fighting/tactical game. It had a feature where if you eliminated two or more enemies in a single turn it would show an "instant replay" of the event, and at one point I managed to pull this off by a chain reaction (probably involving a steep slope and random mines) taking out two worms in my friend's team. As I smugly leaned back to watch the replay, somehow the game glitched and the replay didn't have the hit cause the chain, just the initial ~30 damage. We both thought it was weird the replay bugged out, but even weirder was when the game continued with the result from the replay, not the original hit! I was incredulous (to my friend's great amusement), and for years afterwards when watching sports or such, we'd joke about having to see the replay before we celebrated.

[@brioje23]

I love the happy surprise of the banter during the spoiler game title reel. Always my favorite thing you all did from previous videos

[@Lark88]

Since I always keep my Barter high, I thought Dean always betrays you. Never knew there was a different outcome.

[@seand7042]

He doesn't like women as I understand I had a dumb blonde build that saved his life once

[@willieoelkers5568]

I mean, he’s enough of a piece of work that it’s arguably not a bad ending for him to bite it.

[@QwertyCaesar]

​@@willieoelkers5568Yeah a lot of players even if they know to soothe his ego and don't have to fight him still choose to do so. He's not as much of a villain as Elijah but he's a sociopath with a lot of blood on his hands and deserves to bite it. It's also a bit of an ironic end for him.

[@Aurelio4491]

@@QwertyCaesar Dean's like Fantastic: it doesn't matter how I build or whom I ally with - he's going to die before the playthrough's over.

[@luminozero]

@@QwertyCaesar I mean, 90% of the characters in any Fallout game 'deserve' to bite it, the Player Character included. I tend to give people a decent bit of leeway as long as they don't stab me in the back.

[@wotwott2319]

technically you get punished for all successful qtes because you don't get to see the funny fail cutscene afterwards.

[@MaximilianBrandt]

Especially in Dead Space!

[@cosmicmousse]

Slipstream 5000 is a racer that punished you for being too good. It's an aircraft racer with weapons, but you could ignore combat by upgrading the engines. The punishment part is that it's possible to start lapping the slowest racers. Overtaking the racer in last position and then being overtaken will put you in last place. I think it's a bug and not intentional so maybe it doesn't count.

[@mar_speedman]

Just because it's a bug doesn't mean it doesn't count. Even if accidentally, the game *does* punish you for being too good

[@ChristophBrinkmann]

It absolutely counts. They should have seen that in testing and fixed it.

[@godoftwinkies574]

In pro cicling manager 2017, if that happened the game crashed.

[@haythebug5290]

That makes so much sense now! When I played Dead Money I got through with all my companions alive and positive. I had a really low barter but high speech. When I told my husband he was really confused, asked me why Dean didn't turn on me. He probably thought it was scripted bc he upped his barter and always took the speech check

[@SirAsdf]

How exactly "getting over your fear of guns" leads to "not getting crushed to death by falling masonry" is the type of question you only get when you make the mistake of playing a Resident Evil game that came out after 4 and before 7.

[@SymbioteMullet]

Same train of thought as point and click game moon logic...

[@Avendesora]

Did she take a different path...? I haven't played it, that just feels kinda reasonable to me as a justification.

[@Chernobog2]

Been a while since I played but I'm pretty sure she appears to get crushed regardless of what you do, where getting over her fear of guns comes into play is that she actually survives said crushing and is forced to hunt animals and fight off monsters for months to survive. Without getting over her fear of guns, she's unable to do that and dies offscreen

[@Adamskaish]

From what I remember she always gets crushed under the rubble, it's just that by overcoming her trauma she has the will to fight and survive. That lets her crawl her way out of the debris where she gets rescued by a survivalist old man, without she just dies.

[@MrLondonGo]

its called the butterfly effect, nowt like moon logic

[@FrankyBabes]

Drinking coffee is a skill. You have to put in practice every day. Sometimes more than once a day. Always on that grind.

[@ystacalden]

I've never played Shenmue 2, but I'd have failed at least once because I assumed that the button prompt was the equivalent of a "hold your breath" mechanic and that you needed to press it in order to stay still.

[@romerogoon]

Late to the party, but there's a whole bad ending to both Shenmue and Shenmue II where if the in-game calendar reaches a predetermined date (it is story related), then you trigger the bad endings. A good chunk of folk never realised this though, because it's quite difficult not to finish the game in the alotted in-game time. If you did want to see the bad endings quickly though, then there were scenes like this which could quickly advance the game 24hrs without dicking about with waiting and going to bed etc.

[@andrewfisher9038]

In RE Revelation 2, I didn't think Claire could grab the gun. I always thought you had to change to Moira.

[@PerfectKirby]

Fucking same! My friend had warned me that I’ll have to make a choice that’ll affect my ending, and when I got to the end, I was like “wait, you said I needed to make a choice, what was the choice?” And then I found out that the choice tripped a lot of people up and I still don’t understand why lol

[@lFede64l]

​​@@PerfectKirbyBecause it's the only time in the whole franchise when you need to complete a QTE in a different way than suggested, and because Capcom really tried to trip you up on that QTE

[@doubleasworkshop1692]

I just realised why I didn't have that problem. I did most of Claire's campaign as Moira with her op torch. So I was already Moira when the QTE started

[@nickolaibernar16]

The chemistry between these hosts are always so funny

[@hellbent650]

Chemistry not charisma*

[@nickolaibernar16]

@@hellbent650 knew it was a ch- word lmao

[@hellbent650]

@@nickolaibernar16 i like ur style.

[@NoPrefect]

The chemistry was so good in one case that it led to at least marriage, so, yeah.

[@hellbent650]

@@NoPrefect Jane is way out of his league. He is either really funny or has a really big wang...

[@name1585]

Not technically failure, but in manhunt 2 you get the bad ending for getting too many red executions

[@matthewmills5786]

What? You get the other ending by going into level select and playing the bonus level. Unless Release Therapy replaces the graveyard mission with too many red executions, but I have literally never played the mission naturally, and always have done as many reds as possible. Where did you get this information?

[@yaboigaming123]

Actually, it's for killing civilians is it not? Edit: "civilians" as in "unarmed bystanders"

[@name1585]

@@yaboigaming123 @matthewmills5786 certain versions have different things, so the version you played must’ve had different requirements

[@matthewmills5786]

@@name1585 my guy, I have played it through on PS2, PSP, and PC. All of them have Release Therapy as a bonus mission unlocked via beating the main game. Nowhere other than this comment has an alternate ending or alternate method of reaching it at all. And certainly none related to red executions. Also not sure why they would be a fail state, cause they relate directly to the points system

[@DreamBelief]

The person who made the shenmue 2 one definitely had a martial arts instructor similar to some of mine. A common drill was not moving when others were practising attacks around you, stopping only a few millimetres from you (depending on skill level). You get used to it pretty quick. It may seem crazy but it actually has benefits

[@Darkjustifier]

I remember as a kid absolutely LOVING swoop racing, 15 years down the line I now know why I was stuck out of winning by the end all the time. I was completely unaware they just added a better player for almost no reason. I honestly thought I was going up against dev times and just sucked.

[@DeathnoteBB]

That’s so evil. I always hate when games punish you for playing the game well. Games already punish you for playing it badly! How am I supposed to play them mediocre??

[@staticradio724]

10:25 I've never even played this game, and yet seeing that A button flash up on the screen had me flailing for my nonexistent controller.

[@thatjeff7550]

Wait, you could save Dean Domino from the Sierra Madre? Huh. I thought he was a slimeball you had to kill.

[@matthewdykeman8149]

He is a slimeball, and yes you should kill him, but no you don't have to.

[@willieoelkers5568]

Basically you can’t one-up him via speech or barter and you can’t attempt to intimidate/coerce him. Any of that bruises his very fragile ego.

[@matthewdykeman8149]

@@willieoelkers5568 Bruise his ego. Dean is the worst.

[@Chris_Sizemore]

If you get the "good" ending for Dean Domino he still remains at the Sierra Madre, reminiscing about his glory days. No matter what happens the only one that actually leaves the Sierra Madre is you.

[@willieoelkers5568]

@@Chris_Sizemore No, at the end it says he hears about the casinos of New Vegas and decides to take his act there, as it were.

[@Deano3225]

Well that explains why I could never avoid killing Dean. Damn you obsidian.

[@endlesscircleofprocrastination]

Moira's irrational fear of firearms in RE: Revelations 2, to the point that she'd not even use them when zombie-like creatures are up in her face despite her father's prowess just all screamed of the 'overcome your fears or die' trope. And the fact that the camera follows the gun being tossed away from Claire towards Moira, and not Claire who is in immediate mortal danger, was such a dead giveaway that this is the moment Moira must overcome her fears lest she'll die, which, incidentally, is the literal theme of the game. You 'fail' - in the sense that unlocking the bad ending where Moira and Natalia dies is considered failing, not by being too 'good' at the game, but by not picking up on obivous clues and following the 'wrong' button prompt.

[@VoidlessHue]

There's a side mission in Sleeping Dogs where you have to be bad at Karaoke to convince a guy's girlfriend that "real men can't sing". Do well, and you fail the quest with the text "You didn't suck enough". Hilarious

[@Sir_Him]

Keep going for your coffee dreams, Andy. There was an episode of Futurama where Fry achieved a higher level of existence by drinking 100 cups of coffee. I'm sure the exact same will happen to you.

[@G0rgar]

Never realized Dean Domino was voiced by the guy who voiced Fatman in MGS2. I just happened to watch a video about MGS2 right before this and realized how similar the characters sounded.

[@SimonBuchanNz]

The "following the quick time event is failure" reminds me of a pretty neat sequence at the end of Star Trek Resurgence. Your character is fighting off mind control, while QTEing pushing a thing forwards. Except the third time the QTE is to pull it back, because of the mind control. Ludonarritive consenense!

[@TOGYS7]

It's funny how the villain's plan makes more sense in the good ending than the bad ending in RE Revelations 2.

[@fett01]

I honestly thought these videos were going to be about games that punished you for being too morally good

[@staticradio724]

I'd like to see a video on that, too!

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Neverwinter Nights 2: Mask of the Betrayer is the epitome of this.

[@vulkendov5210]

​@@mr.tamoshanter50 not to mention that "the lost chapters" also added Avo's Tear, the good version of the Sword of Aeons

[@vulkendov5210]

@@mr.tamoshanter50 I'm not sure if the nerf to SoA was related to AT, they intentionally wanted them to be equal opposites, and the could have easily buffed AT up to AoT's level. Besides the good ending is the canonical ending, so I'm sure they don't want deincentivize people from choosing it.

[@mar_speedman]

@@michaelandreipalon359 What? When? I was never punished for being good in this game!

[@wanderlustwarrior]

Actually seeing someone other than me remember X-Men: Next Dimension is *blowing my mind*.

[@locochoify]

This video brought back many memories from that game from 20 years ago.. I had completely forgotten that game and how we only managed to beat the Sentinels at the beginning once. 😂

[@hannarchy6554]

Would the original Fable count for this? Pulling the sword out of the stone can become impossible because you need to try it once and then level your skill up a certain amount and try again, but if your strength is too high to start with you lock yourself out of ever being able to get it.

[@vulkendov5210]

You aren't locked out you just have to max out your strength stats. Also if your strength stats are at least 7 you can pull it out first try.

[@Mish_the_Elder]

The Archery competition could be included, if you do too well during training it makes the Knothole competition much harder. You have to hit exactly the sweet spot.

[@alipheese4152]

Fable 3. Take all the good options and you can't fight the darkness

[@DeathnoteBB]

@@alipheese4152What

[@colewest7096]

​@alipheese4152 What? I recently replayed Fable 3, and I distinctly remember fighting the darkness after only doing the good choices. Do you mean something other than the fight where the darkness attacks Bowerstone?

[@WanderingSorceress]

The first game that came to mind for me was Therapy with Doctor Albert Kruger. In short, there are 3 endings, & you get the best ending by being bad at the game. If you're too good, then you basically turn into a dream zombie.

[@Leongon]

Before the internet was a thing in my country I developed my own lightspeed button mashing technique and, well, got that anti-cheating outcome when resisting the electroshock torture on Snake.

[@sambridgett]

As soon as I saw Moira in the thumbnail I knew what was coming. I remember being utterly bewildered when I got the bad ending and then even more bewildered when I looked up a guide and discovered WHY I'd got the bad ending. Still maintain Revelations 2 was the best of the bunch in the underwhelming years between 4 and 7 mind, I really enjoyed it otherwise.

[@mar_speedman]

Yeah it kinda defies all logic for me that giving the traumatized one a gun was actually a good thing, and that she didn't like, turn into a homicidal maniac or anything

[@endlesscircleofprocrastination]

Because of the 'overcome your fears or die' trope the game pushed @@mar_speedman

[@TheDimensionDweller]

I was determined to get everyone out of the Sierra Madre alive, so when I looked it up and learned that I sunk my chances with Dean with that (quite reasonable in my opinion) Barter check, I was so mad. I eventually just opened up console commands and adjusted his relationship value to me to keep him alive. The jerk.

[@dominateeye]

A fair approach, but that's part of the developers' point with Dean. The Barter check is entirely reasonable, but Dean doesn't like it anyway because he feels the need to always have the upper hand, and that's what kills him (in the universe where the Courier passes the barter check). It's along the same lines as not being able to normally take all the gold bars out of the vault and survive--the game is making a point by turning the features of the medium against you. But I and many others cheated to take all the gold anyway, so...

[@TheDimensionDweller]

@@dominateeye Oh I totally get how it works thematically! From a player anti-frustration standpoint, though, I do think they should have implemented one opportunity to change his opinion of you. I know the nickname he gives you is an indication that your relationship is sunk, but first time players wouldn't know that. I was /so/ undeservedly nice to him after that one check so learning it was all for nothing was infuriating.

[@zombieham904]

The Inscryption one even continues past the tutorial. In the background the game is quietly expecting you to die a certain number of times before finally beating each boss. If you haven't died enough times before reaching phase 2 of a boss, it's bear time baybeee!

[@archmagemc3561]

For the FNV one, there are multiple 50 skill checks that dismantle his argument, not just barter. If you pick ANY of them you get locked out of saving him.

[@CD-Gaming]

There is another example in Tomb Raider: The Last Revelation where you have to play a game of Senet against what seems to be the Priest Semerkhet! If you win, you get a nice, pretty easy route on to the next Level, lose and you get a slightly more tricky route on which you can get three Secrets that will otherwise be unavailable to you, meaning if you want all the Secrets in the game, you HAVE to lose!

[@Jifuryu]

I played Shenmue 2, and the part where all you have to do is not press A was the easiest thing in a video game that I have ever experienced. I don't know about other people, and you make a good point about the game training you up to that point, but I am very good and not doing things.

[@DaBomb3rd]

Your Turn To Die has a perfect example of this. At the first trial, it is revealed that your best friend has the sacrifice card. You get a button to try to save him, but in the end, it just prolongs his suffering and he dies, traumatizing the player character.

[@TheRedMage01]

Andy has any more coffee and it's going to be the Futurama episode where Fry drinks a 100 cups and gets super speed.

[@oraclle]

Jane going all WOPR on us about swoop racing: "A strange game. The only way to win is not to play."

[@petersimpson4648]

In Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World, if you win a fight against your allies, Lloyd and Marta, you get the bad ending. You have to allow them to defeat you for the good ending.

[@ericbambach3222]

The fight is also tedious to lose, as it happens at the end of the story, by which point the protagonist has naturally accumulated the levels and gear to keep him alive (especially if playing a New Game+). There is some foreshadowing that the protagonist does intend for his friends to beat him up for plot-related reasons, so the player can at least remove said gear, but it is still ultimately up to the player to not follow their first impulse of slapping the stuffing out of the other characters.

[@petersimpson4648]

@ericbambach3222 I forgot the title, but I know there's another Tales game where you can find the final boss on the map and fight him, but if you haven't completed certain missions, winning causes the end of the world.

[@ericbambach3222]

@@petersimpson4648 Tales of Zestiria. I may have ended the world accidentally-on-purpose!

[@pantheonmaker9437]

0:00 Intro 0:50 When you Nailed a QTE 4:25 When you Didn’t Lose 6:10 When you Mashed the Button to Good 8:47 When you nailed the QTE 11:06 When you didn’t get Hit 13:30 When you were too much of a Smooth Talker 16:34 When you won the Swoop Race too much 18:16 Credits

[@seatbelttruck]

Yeah, the problem with not doing swoop-racing is it's a really good source of credits. Also, you can't help that Twilek racer get out of bad deal with a scummy Hutt because he won't even talk to you unless you're a good racer.

[@soulechelon2643]

I remember that QTE from Metal Gear. I was so confused by it because I was pressing the button as fast as possible but Snake's health was depleting so quickly anyways. It wasn't until I was getting tired and my presses were getting slower that his health began to go up again. I didn't fail but I remember *Barely* surviving. I thought it was just a really, really hard QTE but nope, just devs punishing everyone because of a minority.

[@marhawkman303]

apparently the trick is to have varied pauses between presses. It's not really abotu doing it "too fast" merely not having a perfect rhythm.

[@Simian_Ruler]

I definitely used a turbo controller to get through when I was younger, I didn't even know there was a punishment for it until seeing this video. Never happened to me.

[@marhawkman303]

@@Simian_Ruler hunh, maybe it just wasn't perfectly regular?

[@Simian_Ruler]

@@marhawkman303 That's entirely possible. While I don't have that controller anymore, I do recall it being truly awful for anything else.

[@bobjob2514]

I love how Shadow of War will have a full on revolt if you have all or most of a map’s orc captains dominated. Up to five or six will ambush you at the worst possible moment (of course), but if you’re good enough to get past all that, it’s the best kind of power trip.

[@RazalasTrebla]

When a game punishes you for passing speech checks, I like that. I wish we got more of that but with a little more clues about what is the correct or wrong way to talk to a character. FNV already has a few bad outcomes for failing skill checks and sometimes good ones for having low intelligence. Bad outcomes for passing high skill checks would have been awesome, in my opinion.

[@mar_speedman]

Teaching players to not mindlessly click the special prompts would definitely be a plus If those prompts could be negative

[@ChristophBrinkmann]

Yeah, you shouldn't be punished for being good at something in the game.

[@chexfan2000]

@@ChristophBrinkmannyes you should. you should be punished for everything, bad or good, that you do, in the game, and in real life, as well as everything you don’t do. Existence ought to be a nonstop barrage of endless punishment and stern reprimands, with no success whatsoever. you deserve the most severe possible punishment for leaving such a comment, just as i do for leaving this one.

[@mykal4779]

kingdom come deliverance have skill checks that end up worse if you pass them

[@moonraven6145]

One odd example for me was Dragonball Budokai Tenkaichi, when you were given a "Survive against X mission" which normally put you up against a very high level opponent, but defeat them anyway you still failed the mission, I imagine that was more a strange quirk with the game though and less the game punishing you for being too good, still pretty funny though.

[@Someone-lg6di]

Fighting buu as hercule

[@akumuryuu]

Fatal Racing had that. It was a game where you could destroy other cars while racing for a few laps. The thing is... if you die, you respawn at the pitstop. There were a couple maps, where that could lead to you skipping half of the lap and setting an unbeatable lap record. So if you managed to kill your opponent really fast, probably by cheating, enjoy never having a record on that stage ever again.

[@rayvongarlic1996]

Disco Elysium is filled with moments like these! In a stat-based RPG players would naturally allocate level-up points into the most interesting and apparently useful attributes. But if you dive too deep into some of your thought attributes, your passive successes become inadvertently negative. Put too many points into logic, and you find menial tasks so tedious that they mentally damage you. Overdo conceptualization and you end up overlooking literal interpretations in favor of abstract, often nonsense ideas.

[@ShinxyMuro]

It was one of the reasons that pushed me off the game (as well as the constant berating and horrible moments). I was making, what I thought, an empathetic character in a detective game so that I could deduce stuff through body language and people skills. What I got was talking clothes and an insane man that pushes away everyone with his existence alone.

[@rayvongarlic1996]

@@ShinxyMuro Good ol' Tequila Sunset

[@trianglemoebius]

​@@ShinxyMuro In all fairness, if you couldn't figure out that Harrier wasn't mentally stable from the start of the game (when he's literally communicating with his subconscious from a third person perspective, after drinking himself into a coma), that's on you.

[@michaelowens6985]

Hey guys, love your videos. Keep up the work. I have something in elden ring I thin the community need to know. The Marggit's shackle (bought from patches) or the mogh's shackle (found at bottom of subterranean shunning grounds), is very useful in catacombs (along with their boss uses) because if activated any where that invisible walls are present it will reveal all of the in a wide radius. Also it will move the stone pillars up and down so no more wasted ammo or deaths. Hope this get out to the community because I have not found anything about it online so far

[@Darcnhife]

Wao. It can move the imp pillars? That's great to know. I can get used to keeping it equipped for that and illusionary walls now.

[@calebgoodman3028]

I actually really like Cyclops. He has been handled rather haphazardly over the years but he had some good moments. I remember one time he was mistaken for Phoenix (using his body) and he used his tactics to single handedly survive all of the X-Men and the Danger Room plus prove he was the real thing all while in constant pain from a broken rib. Seriously where is the game that makes him look interesting rather than a generic hero type? They have a lot to pull from!

[@dynostretch9215]

No time to do that, we have to keep shilling Wolverine, while making Jean go Dark Phoenix and die every five minutes.

[@calebgoodman3028]

@@dynostretch9215 I do prefer Wolverine and the Dark Phoenix storyline is amazing but give the others their spotlight every now and then you know?

[@kratkartan1486]

KOT0R: You were too good. this next guy has beat your record. There is no way you can win now. Me: Challenge accepted. *beats the new high score anyway* KOTOR: ..... KOTOR: Take your f--king win and leave.

[@MadMikeRyan.]

In KOTOR 2 I used the quit glitch to automatically win.

[@QuickSilverKitsune]

Hilariously enough, i had to point out to a friend that the reason he kept failing the electro-torture segment of MG. Dude kept whining about how difficult it was, when i pointed out 'you do realize autofire goes at FAST soeeds right? Slow down and you'll probably pass' He wouldnt talk to me for 3 days after he finally passed that segment. Also, the Shenmue entry is once again a 'failed by being an idiot/not paying attention' one, not being too good: guy tells you to do NOTHING, so obviously you get punsihed for the bait QTE.

[@frozenfoxgames5300]

WWE 2k23 MyRise. I was in a match that didn't really display any objectives, I proceeded to win the match without getting attacked once, and when I won the game said I failed the objective. With the objective being "let your opponent get some offense in."

[@InsanityPrevails]

That X-Man one is interesting... A fighting game that gives you a different outcome depending on your HP That's really cool :)

[@gruggerduggerhoose]

“But you’ve had sooo many!?” Listen when even caffiene queen douglas is cutting you off from the hot fast bean juice, probably need to reevaluate Andy lmao

[@DocDocGoose15]

Hang on a second, you're telling me a Resident Evil monster was taken out by a few shots from a handgun?

[@katfromthekong414]

"That game is full of monsters and zombies and yet the name Piers Nivans is still the most unrealistic thing about it" 😂😂

[@jeezycreezy4220]

Ocelot: Don't use autofire, or I'll know! Me: Uses autofire Ocelot: Doesn't know and I easily pass the torture section

[@Sabbalab92]

I remember my first playthrough of Sleeping Dogs. There was a Quick Time Event near the end of the game where the scaffolding that you're climbing is breaking apart. it says to mash the spacebar, but I kept falling to my death. After about five times, I figured it out. Turns out, I was mashing the spacebar TOO FAST! I started hitting it slower and it worked. This goes against everything I learned about QTEs.

[@RaveRaptor7]

"Whys it got two holes in it" For the memory cards, I remember getting so my friend and I could save our progress and go to each others houses and play our saves rather than lugging xboxes

[@verifiednerd847]

Luckily I’ll never have this issue

[@Yoxiv]

The Bouncer on the PS2 could become quite difficult depending on how you upgraded the characters, with some fights spiking in difficulty to the point that you were more likely to lose and get the bad endings of certain scenarios. There was also the matter of the game having branching narrative moments, as each of the three main playable characters could lead to different outcomes set after the main narrative was finished

[@littlebadassgaming]

I literally couldn't beat dauragon on my third playthrough all because his secret third form absolutely wipes me out.

[@hannahmonteiro9229]

Devil May Cry 5 - manage to beat the extremely hard intro boss? You get a "And they lived happily ever after" ending and get kicked back to the intro screen.

[@Camurgladius]

However, icing Domino (and ideally saving the others) is the *best* ending for Dead Money to me, by a lot--Domino literally has it coming on all levels, his narration for his death in the ending slides is extremely good, and then you *also* get Elijah narrating a key part of the slides on his own (and the VA for Elijah is one of the best-ever performances in video games). So, need to get on Domino's bad side some way and "you were too competent and injured his dumb fragile ego" works quite appropriately.

[@MoostachedSaiyanPrince]

If you manage to defeat Ser Catherien when rescuing Queen Anora in Dragon Age: Origins. You're heavily outnumbered, to the point where this is one of the toughest fights in the game, and most people likely won't beat it the first time they play it or they might think it's a scripted loss and not know it's beatable at all. Nothing really happens if you win, because Ser Catherien and her men die, and you move on. However, I consider this a failure/punishment for being too good at the game, because when you lose to Ser Catherien, your avatar in the game is captured and sent to prison, at which point your companions mount a hilarious rescue mission to free you by infiltrating the prison, and this mission is so much fun that you are really missing out if you never experience it. It's genuinely a highlight of the game, and had a ton of replayability thanks to the people who mount the rescue mission heavily altering the dialogue and to some extent even the options you have when infiltrating. Seriously, not getting this mission is just depriving yourself of fun.

[@fuzzydude64]

I don't even play Shenmue but the "don't move = don't press A" seems... pretty obvious. I instinctively understood, but even without the context of it being in this video, after failing once or twice, I think "do nothing next time because he literally tells you not to move no matter what" would be an obvious Plan B. I don't think it belongs on this list.

[@scythekarnival96]

What a great channel. I avoid spoilers like the plague and I appreciate you posting, in advance, what games you will potentially spoil in the video. That alone earns a sub from me.

[@auguststafford]

I really appreciate how well the OXbox/OXtra teams summarize the Metal Gear and Resident Evil franchises, the stories of which went waaaay off the deep end after the PS1 entries.

[@endplanets]

In GTA4 I had to catch a guy in a car. I had a fast car but could never catch the guy. Literally like 20 attempts in I see him do a perfect 90-degree Tron turn at 100 MPH. So now I barely try, and "successfully fail" the mission and see him bail his car, walk into a building, and get a cutscene.

[@Neopulse00]

16:00 - I did not know that Dean could have survived. I thought he was meant to die. Crap.... gotta replay New Vegas again.

[@dragonscrafty]

There's the quest in Warframe, The Glast Gambit, where you're doing future stock gladiatorial combat, and if you pull ahead of Nef Anyo by more than 10 points, he calls the game and says he wins, taking all of your money.

[@JeedyJay]

I remember LISA the Painful RPG also having at least one battle that would just end the game if you actually won.

[@scp2539]

16:55 My brother, cousins, and I loved these races. Didn't know you could pause mid-race to cheat though XD

[@lordravenblade]

I love the Duke! I bought one of the rerelease ones when they were available a couple years back too.

[@Cardulis]

We all know too much coffee turns you golden and gives you super speed as demonstrated by Fry in Futrama Season 4 Episode 16

[@cww2490]

I remember playing a Gundam game where if you killed the enemies too fast the mission dragged on for a long time. The mission wouldn't progress right and you fight so many enemies/lose health you could die.

[@EllieC130]

Well I was today years old when I found out why I couldn’t stop Dean from getting hostile with me at the end.

[@TincMetals]

Which reminds me, isn't the only one to do this. Final Fantasy 2 (or 4 if Japan). When you go to the top of Mt Ordeals you can sit there and grind levels with Polom and Porom. Turns out, their Exp to Level stops at a certain amount and never keeps increasing like everyone else's so you can keep going. The bad thing about this is when you next meet Yang and have to fight him, his level will be based on Polom or Porom's level, whoever is higher. If you leveled them too much due to easy level needed exp. Yang can become pratically unkillable.

[@TincMetals]

But all is not lost. If you manage to kill him, he and everyone else that joins you will now be the level Polom and Porom was (Yang 99 FTW) without having to level them on how much Exp they normally take. Whereas Polom and Prom were like 30,000xp if memory serves and vastly faster grind.

[@TincMetals]

Oh and I also used similar trick on FFXI to break the level cap on the other players. Very early in the game found a way to beat Salamand Entite repeatedly and get to 99 before even had talked to any the other characters. Oh, they didn't join at Max Level 99; nope they joined at over 100+. Googled it and I see no one even begins to mention as early as I did, or killing Salamand Entite. So HAHA. Millions players later and still no one else? Dayum.

[@carlsiouxfalls]

Wait, so what happens if that guy does get a punch or two on Jean Grey?

[@RokuHanmar]

I presume Bastion is defeated, Cyclops survives, and neither the earth nor the moon are destroyed

[@surfsidezawaz]

Am I the only one whose not to upset about the whole Cyclops dying thing?

[@mar_speedman]

@@surfsidezawaz Yes. Yes you are

[@goose728]

Got a good one! KOTOR: Admiral Karath boss fight can be unbeatable. Friend of mine, his first run he used guides to immediately do all main missions and avoided all side quests and levelling up. This boss fight is at the end of being captured and you can’t walk back reskill farm enemies etc. technically he was a good galaxy saving Jedi unlike the rest of us who fooled around on swoop racing etc but he broke his game as there was no way to beat this boss and we tried for him many times using all tricks and stims and so on. He was too good and got punished 😅

[@alvinjohnpati9163]

Yeah, I did that Inscription thing without dying, I'm the first one who accomplish that achievement without video thought but I have the pic atleast. XD

[@humanmale02]

I literally experienced the KOTOR Swoop racing problem this week. I'm doing a playthrough of the game, one I've finished many times before, and in the Manaan race on my 2nd race I hit every boost except one, giving myself an amazing score. It took me about 30 attempts to get better than that. Haha. I was VERY frustrated for the last few lunch breaks.

[@whitewolf3051]

That depends on how long it took you to reach the finish line. If you reach it around twenty five or twenty six/seven seconds, then no other racer, twenty eight or thirty seconds though. That’s how it was for me.

[@humanmale02]

@@whitewolf3051 LUCKY! My record was 23:36 and I had to try and beat it for the 3rd attempt. BARELY did it in the end.

[@Jifuryu]

Has anyone mentioned Final Fantasy Tactics and how if you raise an NPC's faith score too high, they'll become too enlightened to fight and leave the party?

[@Darcnhife]

Oooh, I didn't know that. ha, ha, ha. That's fantastic.

[@rautamiekka]

What's the point of it ?

[@Darcnhife]

@@rautamiekka Faith affects your magic damage and Brave affects your physical damage. When making/hiring a new unit their starting Brave and Faith might give you an idea on what your goal (or job classes) is for this character. While there are ways to boost the stats and they both rise, they also fluctuate. So it tends to drop down from the peak and maybe settles around 91-94. I don't remember going past 100.

[@rautamiekka]

@@Darcnhife Ah, ok. A sensible system, I'll give it that.

[@MrF3athers]

The coffee joke hit too close to home 😂😂😂 Perfect opening Andy! ❤

[@shadowjezzter]

I remember getting really stuck on that swoop racing, i kept trying and slowly got better then beat the score. Man it was hard, well worth it though

[@FromBeyondTheGrave1]

The first one is definitely not punishing a “good” player, the game teaches you to switch characters to get out of difficult situations. So for an actually good player switching to the other character is the correct play.

[@mrscsi6472]

funnily enough, that mgs game over screen voice over contains a major hint for one the ending’s twists

[@OmegaDoesThings]

The funny thing about the MGS1 part is that I still had to use tool assistance to pass the last phase for the good end (playing on PS3). I took an old mechanical toothbrush, and it had a part that I used to basically vibrate the button faster than I could normally push it. The game thought "yep that's legit" and I got by

[@retrogamernes3121]

I don't see the problem with getting bad endings, because sometimes bad endings are the best endings. Both in looks and shock value

[@ArkaneStephanie]

I think Professor Xs mutant ability is being launched across the room randomly. Also I was so annoyed at the Revelations ending because no other Resident Evil game has multiple endings and I had no idea that my usless player 2 would get a bad ending

[@Nate_the_Nobody]

3:16 Slide locked back Means it's empty or jammed Pulls trigger Slide goes forward

[@mykal4779]

wow had no one who worked on that game ever fired a gun? or just talked to someone who has?

[@noob1n8or]

You forgot about the part in Inscryption where if you're even *more* too good at the game you can kill the bears, get to the final boss and kill it only to discover that the devs legitimately did not think you could do that and you don't actually progress the story the way beating the boss is supposed to.

[@theZDOME]

The full buffed bear cards glitch was an amazing addition