7 Top Tips To Corner Faster On A Road Bike

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@gcn
@gcn 2 жыл бұрын
What are your top tips for cornering?
@미사동
@미사동 2 жыл бұрын
loosing speed
@bahamianlibertarian4755
@bahamianlibertarian4755 2 жыл бұрын
If you can, do a recon first; sometimes the apex of a corner isn't where you think it is. If you take the corner to early (before the apex) this can throw you out wide on corner exit which may not be the best outcome.
@DoNuT_1985
@DoNuT_1985 2 жыл бұрын
Don't skid on gravel and crash in a corner. It'll eat your confidence and you might be riding slower than 3 years ago when I didn't have the experience and skill.
@endcensorship874
@endcensorship874 2 жыл бұрын
Counter. Steering. Lean into the turn, slightly straiten your inside arm, "pushing" bike toward the outside of the corner as you lean in. This skill changed my life when it comes to cornering.
@mericanignoranc3551
@mericanignoranc3551 2 жыл бұрын
@@bahamianlibertarian4755 lol..don't dive head first into a corner you've never done before is great advice. Who would do that? Most humans have a survival mechanism and those without, I would imagine, aren't around anymore or soon won't be...lol
@billmccaffrey1977
@billmccaffrey1977 2 жыл бұрын
A little dusty sand can ruin your whole day (actually month). I had this misfortune and it was very bloody and painful and had over 30 miles to ride to get back home. Lesson learned was don't take risk that you're not paid to take.
@dannydanny4002
@dannydanny4002 2 жыл бұрын
Oh yea, but I tried slide every time I see dust, much more experienced in only few months even with badass slides, where you trust lil hole in concrete which saves your day
@olivergaitan4455
@olivergaitan4455 2 жыл бұрын
I had something similar happened to me except, it was lose gravel and it was only half a mile to ride back home
@jctraining5168
@jctraining5168 2 жыл бұрын
I didn’t know it until now but I feel like I needed this reminder. Thank you.
@klaasdeboer8106
@klaasdeboer8106 5 ай бұрын
In my case it was cow poo, very slippery.
@digit3358
@digit3358 2 ай бұрын
Same here😂
@jamesyoung8501
@jamesyoung8501 2 жыл бұрын
If you feel you’ve gone in a little too fast force your eyes to look to the inside of the turn. Your bike will go where you look and it’s very likely you have plenty of traction to make the turn. Whatever you do, do not look to the outside of the turn because you will very likely follow your eyes right off the road.
@songofyesterday
@songofyesterday 8 ай бұрын
This has worked twice for me. Each time my teeth was clenched as I was looking at inside corner but mind was screaming I’m Gonna Crashhh. 25-28 mph on 90 degree corner of two car widths is scary
@mickeywakefield
@mickeywakefield 7 ай бұрын
I'm here to learn cornering.....so, I can't yet really do it well on the bike. But this tip is one that I learned skiing. Our coach used to tell us to look at the spaces between the gates, not the gates themselves, and it really does work. I don't ski race any longer, but when I'm in the trees, I purposely focus on the spaces between the trees - and it is amazing how much of a difference it makes.
@syrus3k
@syrus3k 3 ай бұрын
This is a good tip.
@Aristotteles
@Aristotteles 2 жыл бұрын
As a long-time cyclist (not pro), here are a few tips. These always apply in principle and help to ensure a safe descent that is also fun. Here are a few basic rules: - Wear cycling gloves - Keep the bike in top condition - Ride with foresight (road conditions and traffic), so that you can brake at half visibility. - Take evasive action before braking Cornering Whether on long descents in the Alps or small hills in the surrounding area, the same procedure always applies for a safe descent. Before entering the bend, adjust your speed (stopping at half visibility must be possible) and pay attention to the conditions of the road and traffic. And do this with a firm grip on the brakes. Do not constantly brake at half power, as this overheats the rims and can lead to tyre damage. So let it roll on the straight stretches of road and brake hard before the bend. Put your hands on the lower handlebars.Downshift before cornering. Then look at the exit point of the bend. Extend the leg on the exit side of the bend and put as much weight on it as possible. Keep the upper body as low as possible. Keep your leg close to the top tube on the inside of the bend. Do not, as is often the case with the pros, keep your leg on the inside of the bend. In the event of a fall, there is a great risk of falling on your knee. In addition, this shifts the centre of gravity unfavourably to the inside of the bend, which worsens the friction (grip) of the tyres on the road. Drive through the curve with the appropriate speed and body position without losing sight of the end of the curve. When reaching the end of the bend, take the weight off the outer leg and go into the cradle for good acceleration. In this way, a descent is safe and fun.
@syrus3k
@syrus3k 3 ай бұрын
Yes, gloves. I once didn't wear gloves because I was in a rush to get out and meet my pals.. big mistake. Your hands lose a lot of skin in a fall without gloves.
@martinandersson5833
@martinandersson5833 2 жыл бұрын
I came down a long and steep hill the other day and turned left, my rear tyre started to wobble on the rim, it felt absolutely terrible, luckily it stayed on and I didn’t crash. Turned out I had a very slow puncture. I inspect my tyres before every ride and check the pressure. Lucky escape😅👍
@rodriguezahr
@rodriguezahr 2 жыл бұрын
The video I needed to watch! I was too good in cornering until 3 months ago when my front tire slipped due to some gravel on the road. My hip was smashed so violently I almost fade out of pain. Hip didn’t broke but my thumb did. Took me almost 1 month to recover from the hip pain but my confidence in cornering is now at its lowest levels. I’m riding a 25 tire, I think I should try a 28 or 32.
@danial17011
@danial17011 2 жыл бұрын
Go as wide as your bike allowes, essentially same speed, lots of comfort and safety. Well worth it. 35c enjoyer checking out.
@milosgrujic9118
@milosgrujic9118 4 ай бұрын
Damn, I'm in the same boots when my brand new tyres on mtb slipped on the sand on the street while cornering. Fortunately, I ended only in blood, nothing was broken. However, I live now in fear how to corner on my road bike... Idk what to do...
@syrus3k
@syrus3k 3 ай бұрын
@@milosgrujic9118 best thing is to just get back out there asap and descend lots.
@igorboljevic2810
@igorboljevic2810 2 жыл бұрын
Recently i had an opportunity to do some braking with my helmet. You can never have too much practice.
@ChrisHayworth100
@ChrisHayworth100 2 жыл бұрын
I've done that before., It hurts.
@Vokunos
@Vokunos 2 жыл бұрын
thanks for that video, gave me a little more trust in my tyres. I noticed a lot of times that i somehow struggle to "believe" in my "slick" tyres. i have no problem with laying my mountainbike almost horizontal to the ground while cornering but i tend to get really nervous when cornering on a roadbike, especially on descends, even when theres no sign of losing control... weird thing is, i actually even ride my roadbike much more often than my mountainbike, but cornering on the mtb just feels so much more natural to me. (yes i am aware that mtb tyres are in fact easier to corner with, but with the amount of road riding i do instead of riding my mountainbike i think i should be better at handling my roadbike)
@gcn
@gcn 2 жыл бұрын
It can certainly be hard to trust them sometimes but usually it's just a mental thing!
@ChrisHayworth100
@ChrisHayworth100 2 жыл бұрын
Take your time, believe in yourself, work on corners you know already and you'll be flying round them without you realizing it.
@mad4tri
@mad4tri 2 жыл бұрын
Good video, I always give the advice to look where you want to go, not where you don't want to go. The bike usually follows where you are looking.
@SendingStache
@SendingStache 2 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed this video and Manon’s hosting was top notch! So much useful info!
@BIIIKES
@BIIIKES 2 жыл бұрын
I needed this one. Thanks GCN. I always feel like I'm leaning the bike over enough in the corners, but when I look back at my footage, I'm like... Oh, that was barely a lean. Haha. Appreciate this one. Nice job to Manon as well!
@gcn
@gcn 2 жыл бұрын
We've all been there! Felt like we've absolutely railed a descent or technical set of corners only to look back and realise we were taking it at a pedestrian pace
@BTcycle
@BTcycle 2 жыл бұрын
Always look ahead early and start selecting your line. Also look at the exit if viewable.
@core2zero
@core2zero 2 жыл бұрын
and be ready to dodge a car cutting the corner if you are inside, and an idiot runing it wide, if you are on the outside
@Paul_Paulson
@Paul_Paulson 2 жыл бұрын
I think the most important thing to learn for a beginner is that on smooth dry roads with good tyres you have really a lot of grip but on wet greasy city roads gravel or ice you have almost none and then you should go slow and be safe
@rangersmith4652
@rangersmith4652 2 жыл бұрын
I'm allergic to road rash, and I don't get my bikes repaired for free, so I always assume the next corner, even it's one I've negotiated hundreds of times, is going to try to kill me. I suppose that makes me a bit over-cautious, but it also keeps me upright.
@seattlegrrlie
@seattlegrrlie 2 жыл бұрын
I always assume the next corner has a small child or off leash dog awkwardly in the middle of the apex... unfortunately I'm often right
@gerhardw.933
@gerhardw.933 2 жыл бұрын
@@seattlegrrlie You are the difference between a racer or presenter on a closed circuit and a rider on an open road. We have to 'share' the road with humans, other 🚴‍♂️, 🏍, 🚗, 🚚 and 🚌, have pay attention to people and animals near the road. My concern is not the 'faith in my tires' but rather in my personal safety on the bike. I'd rather ride safely and ready for an emergency brake downhill and use my energy to ride better uphill in heavily populated Taiwan.
@bobfoster687
@bobfoster687 2 жыл бұрын
Descending a fast downhill corner. A squirrel dashed toward my front wheel. Luckily, the squirrel stopped just short of the wheel, retracing its steps, saving me from a potentially serious event!!!
@jonathanbouchard39
@jonathanbouchard39 2 жыл бұрын
I reckon try and split the corner in half. Come in wide and turn, then go straight across the corner near the apex, and then turn again into the far lane of the road. At the apex, you want to be going straight because that's where you find the debris and gravel. On the inside lane, the road surface will be distressed by the scrubbing effect of car and truck tyres. My worry is not the grip on my tyres - it's the surface of the road - gravel, rough scrubbed tarmac, sand, glass, leaves, debris, speed humps ... Checking my data on Strava coming off the highway into my suburb, on the curve where the slp road joins the suburban road: - Sunday on my road bike, 51 kph round the bend. - This evening coming back from the pub on my shopping hybrid bike 48.7 kph.
@chrisridesbicycles
@chrisridesbicycles 2 жыл бұрын
Great tip. Thanks!
@johne7100
@johne7100 2 жыл бұрын
In wide, cut the apex and come out wide is a great recipe for running into the front of a car coming the other way. In wide and out narrow for me.
@seattlegrrlie
@seattlegrrlie 2 жыл бұрын
you can see it in the video but they don't mention it. Swinging that knee wide is such a huge trick to stabilize weight and turn the body.
@jamesmckenzie3532
@jamesmckenzie3532 2 жыл бұрын
Also, keep your body over the tyres. Lean too far and you will come down. It's tricky to do, but once you've figured out how, it becomes second nature at high speeds.
@ghcheong
@ghcheong 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@imjonathan6745
@imjonathan6745 7 ай бұрын
lean with
@michaelclements4664
@michaelclements4664 2 жыл бұрын
A simple, useful tip is don't overthink it. Look up ahead into the turn, you'll naturally go where you are looking. Focus where you want to be (not where you are) and everything else will happen naturally. Also, you can lean more than you think, so don't worry about the lean angle. More people crash because they're afraid to lean, than crash because they leaned too far.
@akalabonga1944
@akalabonga1944 2 жыл бұрын
I lost it today on a descend but not my fault i got puncture on a rear but thankfully i am OK🙈
@Vokunos
@Vokunos 2 жыл бұрын
as if the sound of air leaving your tyre isnt bad enough... i bet that was one of the last things you want to hear while bombing down a mountain. hope the bike is also ok.
@akalabonga1944
@akalabonga1944 2 жыл бұрын
@@Vokunos i would literaly died if bike wasn't ok🙈
@Vokunos
@Vokunos 2 жыл бұрын
@@akalabonga1944 Relateable
@TBATTIECYCLING
@TBATTIECYCLING 2 жыл бұрын
@@akalabonga1944 hell. Glad you and the cycle survived
@gcn
@gcn 2 жыл бұрын
Good to hear you're okay!
@Rules5005
@Rules5005 Жыл бұрын
Dope. I implement some of your tips in my daily commuting
@endcensorship874
@endcensorship874 2 жыл бұрын
Can't believe you didn't mention counter steering... The skills is relatively easy to learn, and applying it is the key to fast cornering.
@jotcarey
@jotcarey 2 жыл бұрын
You're a motorbike rider, I imagine. They're always big on applying motorbike technique to bicycles. Counter-steering is, of course, essential, provided the bike is at least three times your body weight.
@chamfly5783
@chamfly5783 2 жыл бұрын
@@jotcarey You counter-steer around every corner without even realizing it.
@brickclickcat2893
@brickclickcat2893 Жыл бұрын
I think that if you're cornering a bicycle or a motorcycle by leaning you're countersteering, whether you know it or not. It's necessary to initiate lean, no? Basically you briefly need to get your centre of mass and front wheel to track in slightly different directions.
@endcensorship874
@endcensorship874 Жыл бұрын
@@brickclickcat2893 Yes. There was a KZbinr who showed it was physically impossible to make a turn on a bicycle without imitating the turn in the opposite way at first.
@klaasdeboer8106
@klaasdeboer8106 5 ай бұрын
In the city of amsterdam, where I only go fast when there is plenty of room, it is fun to choose the right line over tramrails, fancy expensive and slippery pavements, and road hazards like chips and mayonese and dead pigeons. When there is more traffic in the form of other cyclists, I steer clear from them, people ride very distracted on the phone with wireless earphones
@MrIsaac-dh3uh
@MrIsaac-dh3uh 2 жыл бұрын
Rider weight is key to tire pressure. A 200 lb biker needs more psi than a 175 lb biker to corner, or even just ride, safely. And weight is exponential. A 210 lb rider needs more pressure still vs the 175 pounder, while a 185 lb rider needs about the same. This is why your 200+ lb buddies - no matter how fit they may be - get more flats than your lighter biker buddies. The same thing goes for casing and tire width. Nothing is crazier than seeing a 6'4", 230 lb biker running low psi on light casing 23s.
@geoffreyhoney122
@geoffreyhoney122 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video Manon! Although I don't race, I was able to pick up some great tips! My trick is to 'slingshot through the corner by picking the correct line, braking as little as possible, then accelerating out from the apex on.
@luigibirillo6629
@luigibirillo6629 2 жыл бұрын
Is this a fake account LOL
@StuckOnAFireHydrant
@StuckOnAFireHydrant 2 жыл бұрын
I've lost my confidence more than once in the corners. First time was almost my last. Was coming down a mountain in the winter, still some salt in the roads, then went to scrub some speed and the back tire slid on me, I let up, but didn't lose enough speed and I slid into the gravel skinning my leg against the guardrail until my bars got caught and launched me over the rail and tumbling down the mountain. By the time I climbed back up some lady in a Prius saw my safety vest and pulled over and put my in her car bloody and everything and climbed down and retrieved my bike. She without a doubt saved my life that day. Another time a car was riding me down hill I was going at least 40mph. He was too close for me to hit the brakes so in attempt to dodge him I took a hard right at an intersection and lost traction on loose gravel on the road and slid across the entire intersection. Good thing it was a red light. Stopped inches from one of the cars. I crawled out of my bike and dragged it and myself on the floor to the side of the road and just laid there.
@littleman8438
@littleman8438 Жыл бұрын
I think a good thing to do also is to look as far as you can inside the turn. What I mean is that I recently felt that my eyes would look at the road but kinda follow the road as Im progressing in the turn.. It felt much better to me to watch directly as far as I can into the turn and not midway and all along it and constantly being adjusting my leaning.
@ZOB4
@ZOB4 2 жыл бұрын
Seen this same video concept several times from GCN, same thing happening with GMBN putting out yet another version of the How To Drop video today. Sure would like to see more new content and fewer recycled videos.
@Vokunos
@Vokunos 2 жыл бұрын
well there are new people starting cycling every year. between the ocassional fun video there has to be a few tutorials and you cant just expect new viewers to search for old videos, thats just not really how youtube works if you have a big audience. if you are looking for stuff that is less "beginner" try the tech channel or just watch the videos you "need" to see. of course you dont need a "how to corner" video if you are allready a racer or something.
@ChrisHayworth100
@ChrisHayworth100 2 жыл бұрын
You know you don't have to watch every video, right? Although in saying that it often helps to be reminded of techniques like cornering. You're going to see a few on a ride and I'd hate to see you getting dropped by a group of new riders that are watching every video.
@struancochrane753
@struancochrane753 2 жыл бұрын
Learnt what follows when riding horse, where you head goes everything else follows, so I try and spot the apex a fair way out then look up and beyond the corner as I go round it. Having said that there is a nasty s bend in a village near here that I have now got wrong twice in a row.
@playandteach
@playandteach 2 жыл бұрын
'Most of the time you have a lot more grip than you think...' I'm worried about the times when you don't. Most bends I ride on either have the risk of oncoming traffic, water run off, loose gravel or just poor road surfaces - bends tend to come at the bottom of descents here, where the valleys meet bridges over streams. I need to corner with more skill and learn how to get out of trouble without panicking. When I panic, the bike stands up and I don't go round corners.
@davekashuba4730
@davekashuba4730 2 жыл бұрын
My cornering is STELLAR on Zwift.
@ghcheong
@ghcheong 2 жыл бұрын
Personally, I like to apply the mountain bike skill of shifting the body weight to the outside of the tyres and not lean into the corner with the bike, I find that it gives a lot more traction even on road tyres
@simonm1447
@simonm1447 2 жыл бұрын
Mountain bike driving technics are quite helpful, even on other bikes. I also corner like this
@brickclickcat2893
@brickclickcat2893 Жыл бұрын
Does not. The lean your body out technique works for slow tight corners on dirt. Watch how motogp riders corner for fast corners on hardtop
@roadiemuhsil9821
@roadiemuhsil9821 2 жыл бұрын
Can you make a vedio about taking u turn on a road faster because kerala state looped straight road
@JohnnyNowhere
@JohnnyNowhere 2 жыл бұрын
In his 1985 book entitled 'Bicycle Road Racing', Edward Borysewicz wrote, "Have faith in your tires." So that is what I do to a fault. I pick my line, hunker down, and corner like a screaming ape. At 66, with thousands of miles behind me, I haven't crashed yet. Tire doubt is what will make you wipe out nine times out of ten.
@SyLens1
@SyLens1 2 жыл бұрын
Perfect timing, im doing my first triathlon this Month. I’ve never raced a bike through corners. I ride my bike for over 400km a week but i never corner fast around traffic etc.
@Lacehairwigs
@Lacehairwigs 2 жыл бұрын
This is actually really good
@gcn
@gcn 2 жыл бұрын
thank you!
@paulgach7606
@paulgach7606 2 жыл бұрын
I've noticed that, when cornering, some riders stick out their knee on the inside of the corner and some don't. I seems that sticking out their knee would slow one down....a lot. Something NOT to do in a time trial. I've done both and sticking out my knee feels good, but I wonder how much it slows one down.... Something for you guys to test?
@theotheronethere4391
@theotheronethere4391 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely less aero, but there 2 pluses. 1) Helps a little bit with weight distribution but putting a little extra on the turning corner and 2) it is a pre-bail position for those with clipless shoes/pedals
@ProfeTa6
@ProfeTa6 2 жыл бұрын
Another tip that is useful is to do all the braking before the corner. Braking mid corner will stress the tires and risk them slipping.
@harzer99
@harzer99 2 жыл бұрын
More surface area of the same material doesn't increase your grip. It only allowes to use a softer compound as the weight is distributed more and you get less heating and wear.
@VyantQuijt
@VyantQuijt 2 жыл бұрын
Are you referring to the formula for static grip? Because that applies to a smooth surface and does not reflect road conditions. Also, a softer compound doesn't quite quality as 'the same material' either
@Bazza1968
@Bazza1968 2 жыл бұрын
"To finish first you have to first finish"..... Open roads are admittedly pretty lethal places to be racing at speed on in the UK....dangers- wet leaves, ice (even through the meagre 6 hrs of "daylight" if they're shielded from the south by trees/buildings/walls etc), potholes, patches of loose gravel in the middle, mud, horseshit, metal drain/manhole covers and of course other road users...I just slow right down if I can't see through the corner now, as I've missed by inches some potholes that would have destroyed both me and the bike and that was due to that rare phenomena- "sunshine" and descending into a bend where there were trees overshadowing the road....I can understand why many roadies have taken to gravel- then you expect the crap surfaces and deal with them, whilst taking out 90% of the "other road users" from the equation so arguably still much much safer...
@virkelie2
@virkelie2 Жыл бұрын
In cornering, why don't you want more weight on the front tire (4min 40 sec)? I thought more weight on the front tire means more stability/ traction?
@AnthonyStJames-yn8nr
@AnthonyStJames-yn8nr 2 жыл бұрын
In my experience, you can corner very hard on a knobby mountain bike tire, even more so on a 5-inch fat bike tire. I think tires that thick are almost like driving a tank. I've never seen someone on a road bike wash out while cornering and I myself have never slipped when cornering on a road bike. When it rains or there's a bit of dirt on the tarmac, that's a different story. EDIT: @3:19 I thought I saw Waldo for a minute there.
@freakeystyley34
@freakeystyley34 2 жыл бұрын
I thought this would be the case, but after putting some thickslick tyres on my mtb and taking it on the road I was really surprised how little grip I had, even just slowing down in a straight line. The first time riding them I ended up in the verge on a downhill corner. I trust my road tyres a lot more.
@simonm1447
@simonm1447 2 жыл бұрын
Especially fat bike tires have a ton of grip, even in snowy conditions (they come from Alaska).
@LSD04
@LSD04 2 жыл бұрын
How many weeks was it before the last one of these with Hank, dryer than the UK.
@semiterminaal
@semiterminaal 2 жыл бұрын
I might be wrong, but I don't know if the distributing the weight evenly is a good tip. Generally, on a motorcycle, you want to load the front tire to improve grip when cornering. Seems to me the same would apply to a bicycle?
@simonm1447
@simonm1447 2 жыл бұрын
Mountainbikers also try to increase the load on the front wheel, they lean forward, and push the bike with the arm inside the curve into it, they lean the bike but keep the body upright and put pressure on the pedal outside to the curve. Mountain bikers corner different than road bikers
@mib7483
@mib7483 2 жыл бұрын
This goes with what BTcycle said, always look where you want to go. Look at your exit after the apex and it will guide you through the corner. I use the outside,inside,outside to remind me of the proper way to corner.
@pfunklife9379
@pfunklife9379 2 жыл бұрын
In general I adopt a GP/sportbike technique where shifting my weight inward is more important than bike lean; particularly in fast and sweeping mountain descents. If I feel either wheel start to loose traction, I would rather my frame be more vertical and I have more time to react vs washing out unexpectedly when the frame is leaned more. Of course tight and technical curves require modifying the technique or using another technique alltogether.
@brickclickcat2893
@brickclickcat2893 Жыл бұрын
Yessir. Exactly that. Been preaching this for years, but most say lay your bike into the corner and lean your body to the outside, because... weight over contact patch or some silliness like that. I say good luck w that.
@tomasdolak4244
@tomasdolak4244 2 жыл бұрын
Can you please do an episode on highsider
@atoms-to-atoms
@atoms-to-atoms Жыл бұрын
I once braked too hard as I panicked when a peleton appeared on the opposite side of the road, into the corner.The back wheel started sliding out ...by applying a bit of front and releasing the back brake it self-corrected..I was just as amaized as they were that I stayed on the bike... on this steep mountain road.
@arnelburgos8491
@arnelburgos8491 2 жыл бұрын
Another good video and i find that helpful 👍 god bless.
@gcn
@gcn 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Arnel!
@woodenstick6968
@woodenstick6968 10 ай бұрын
Enjoyed your video, every time I do really. But I want to add one more thing from the list up above, which is to slow the FUCK down when you're cornering on a public road...
@wildsurfer12
@wildsurfer12 2 жыл бұрын
I bet you guys couldn’t ask for better weather in the UK for filming right now!
@gcn
@gcn 2 жыл бұрын
It's beautiful here at GCN Megabase in Bath! ☀
@wildsurfer12
@wildsurfer12 2 жыл бұрын
@@gcn I bet it is! I’ve been to Bath a good few times but sadly never cycled there. I have been sliding on the skeleton track though.
@JektorII
@JektorII 2 жыл бұрын
Been in 2 races this year. I see the same mistake done every time: no confidence and an atrocious line. My advice: play some SimRacing like Asetto Corsa to learn how to corner. Use every centimeter available.
@matthewbaynham6286
@matthewbaynham6286 2 жыл бұрын
About 25-30 years ago I did a triathlon where one corner on the steep descent was marked on the route description as something to watch out for but the route description said there was a marshal on that corner with a warning flag. And the marshal was on the corner with his warning flag however this brainless marshal was on the exit of the corner. So I was hammering it around this corner at full speed and on the exit I ran wide and was just bouncing on the grass just cm's next to the road with a big drop off next to me. But I didn't fall which was an absolute miracle. When I got to the bottom of that descent the guy cycling behind me came along side and complemented me on my descending ability. It wasn't really ability it was just pot luck. What type of brainless marshal stands with a warning flag after the dangerous corner, what is the point of warning people about a dangerous corner after they have just gone around the corner, use a brain cell.
@pompeymonkey3271
@pompeymonkey3271 2 жыл бұрын
What kind of brainless idiot hammers it around a blind corner that they've never ridden before, trusting only a brainless marshal?
@ChrisHayworth100
@ChrisHayworth100 2 жыл бұрын
I was once riding on a flat corner, and felt myself going at what felt like a 45 degree angle. I found out I could corner when the bike got upright all by itself. I just about sh!t myself though.
@borisb.5024
@borisb.5024 2 жыл бұрын
is no problem - just turn corner
@whatwelearned
@whatwelearned 2 жыл бұрын
We've found our physics professor
@gamingaccount4935
@gamingaccount4935 2 жыл бұрын
Pro riders 10 years ago with 23c tyre: **85kph on supertuck position** 2022 Pro riders on dics and 28c low pressure tyre: **locks their wheels and lost the traction**
@rickcoyne7845
@rickcoyne7845 2 жыл бұрын
Good Vidio !!!
@tornagawn
@tornagawn 2 жыл бұрын
So……leaning over and keeping the bike more upright? Isn’t that a ‘thing’ anymore? I appreciate that having the lines of force aligned…body through to tyres…..but if you’re leaning more, tyres losing traction 🤷‍♂️
@coerce
@coerce 2 жыл бұрын
Still waiting for that Andrew feather vs steepest climb video
@gcn
@gcn 2 жыл бұрын
👀not too long now
@SonnyDarvish
@SonnyDarvish 2 жыл бұрын
Sometimes I lean out to put more pressure on tyres and avoid slipping
@deborahbarrett2134
@deborahbarrett2134 2 жыл бұрын
will it feet man 6'1''?
@Pastamistic
@Pastamistic 2 жыл бұрын
Some time to be a bit nerdy but these two always bother me. Putting weight into your outside pedal does not in any way increase grip. You aren't increasing the amount of force vertical through the tires so it's not increasing grip. Next one is wider tires don't have more grip. It violates Amonton's second law of dry friction. The force of friction is independent of the apparent area of contact. It could help maintain grip better on rough bumpy pavement because it will better form to the uneven surface but it won't have more grip.
@seattlegrrlie
@seattlegrrlie 2 жыл бұрын
And you would be wrong on both counts. When you put your weight on the outside pedal, your whole body changes weight distribution thus changing where your center of mass is. If this technique is done right, it will put more weight to the back and outside thus increasing stability at speed. This is highly technical and most youtube or articles race past it using the wrong verbiage, but the physics is correct Wider tires run a lower pressure thus having a larger contact point with the road surface both on the flat and in corners. This is exactly why mtn bike tires are so wide and we lower pressures when running on looser materials like sand or snow.
@uraniumjoe
@uraniumjoe 2 жыл бұрын
Having your outside pedal down is also a safety thing. Riders should have their inside leg at around 12 o'clock on the pedal-and the outside leg around 6 o'clock-when cornering to prevent the pedal from making the contact with the road.
@yisraels4555
@yisraels4555 2 жыл бұрын
@@seattlegrrlie well with respect to friction... Only force and coefficient of friction determine the friction between the tire and road. BUT larger tires with lower pressure reduce or eliminate the tire bouncing off the road when you hit some sort of irregular surface... And if the tire is in the air it isn't helping you corner. Grew up back in when really skinny tires were standard with very high pressure.. yes they rolled nicely going straight but anything larger that a grain of sand made handling difficult As for putting your weight on the outside pedal... you only scrape the inside pedal on the ground once on a high speed sharp curve.... and hopefully you don't wipe out while getting an instant scary message from the bike.
@Pastamistic
@Pastamistic 2 жыл бұрын
@@seattlegrrlie Grip is a combination of friction coefficient and force. How does pressing on the outside pedal effect either friction coefficient or force? It doesn't make you weigh more so force on the tires doesn't increase at all. You could distribute it more toward the rear but that takes away from the front. It doesn't change the rubber compound either which is your coefficient of friction. Contact area again doesn't increase grip. To keep it simple let's say there's 50kg pushing on a tire's contact patch. A contact patch of 1 sq/cm will have 50kg per sq/cm pressing it into the ground. A contact patch of 2 sq/cm will only have 25kg per sq/cm because now the force (weight) is distributed over a larger area. Grip remains the same in either case. As I said in the first post a wider tire will stay in better contact with rough ground which will make the grip levels more stable and predictable but it doesn't increase grip at all.
@simonm1447
@simonm1447 2 жыл бұрын
Mountain bikers always put load on the pedal outside to the curve, they also push the bike into the curve with the arm inside to the curve but keep the body relatively upright. Moving forward helps to increase load on the front wheel, which is the first to slip away at offroad riding.
@ShiroiTheGooberOfficial
@ShiroiTheGooberOfficial 8 минут бұрын
Tyre, tire euauuagh my vocabularity is having a mental breakdown
@grongrod
@grongrod 2 жыл бұрын
The most important is to ACTIVELY use countersteering.
@TheBarlettano
@TheBarlettano 2 жыл бұрын
not really you already do that automatically without even realizing if you actually didn't countersteer you wouldn't be able to turn at all veritasium made a video about that
@TheBarlettano
@TheBarlettano 2 жыл бұрын
@D. W. so you're saying that indeed you already use countersteering but you suggest to use it anyway... well sure
@grongrod
@grongrod 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheBarlettano yeah.... that's why I put actively in CAPS. The only way to turn a 2 wheeled vehicle is to countrrsteer but most people don't really know what they have to do, they do it "automatically". That is untill something steps out into their path and you have to take evasive action.... then they "automatically" ram it instead of actively countersteering .Give my best to veritasium.
@milosgrujic9118
@milosgrujic9118 4 ай бұрын
Idk how a tyre pumped on 10 bars can grip well on the ground.... It looks so risky....
@vandal_ross
@vandal_ross 2 жыл бұрын
Some top tips... But, what happens if you ride in a place where you have a huge amount of lunatic drivers?
@bikecommuter24
@bikecommuter24 2 жыл бұрын
just like motorcycles there is a very fine line between maximum traction and oh sh*t Manon Motorcycle racers and race teams do look for the lightest weight wheels and tires (tyres) like a racing bicycle every gram lost makes the bike quicker. Although in Moto Racing many of the classes there is a minimum weight the race motorcycles have to weigh and many of the racing classes do use spec tires but there is a choice of compounds like the episode GCN did on Motorcycle racing stated.
@phoneindustrydesign
@phoneindustrydesign 2 жыл бұрын
whatever you do make sure to brake before the corner, if you do it as you turn you might get oversteer of how it's called
@johnfitzgerald1192
@johnfitzgerald1192 Жыл бұрын
2:33 Lowercase "g" (government)
@lotascott
@lotascott 2 жыл бұрын
Probably worth adding that cornering is a lot more dangerous in the UK than anywhere else in Europe thanks to our third-world roads and third-rate drivers.
@KimoPollock
@KimoPollock 2 жыл бұрын
I won't discuss here my method of cornering even better using more camber thrust, but I will say light, low spoke count can be dangerous when cornering really hard. I've almost tacoed my wheel on various occasions because the wheel was too light and flimsy.
@marksierra3522
@marksierra3522 2 жыл бұрын
I actually haven't thought about my tires sliding out from underneath me while cornering. Not to say I didn't realize that tires have a finite amount of traction and that I can't break them loose - it just wasn't a thought that occurred in that moment.
@jamiewellbourn3609
@jamiewellbourn3609 2 жыл бұрын
It's the gravel that'll get you, a few loose rocks at speed on a sharp corner can spell disaster. Smooth pavement I don't think there's much chance of slipping out.
@billkallas1762
@billkallas1762 2 жыл бұрын
Never trust a corner that you've never ridden through lately. There could be sand of gravel. Never cross the centerline of a road in a bend, because you might end up as a hood ornament of a quiet EV.
@nord7556
@nord7556 2 жыл бұрын
Slightly off topic but where do you live? This location looks blissful for cycling enthusiasts. 😍
@claudebonneville7650
@claudebonneville7650 2 жыл бұрын
I may still prefer 19C...
@jameslee-pevenhull5087
@jameslee-pevenhull5087 2 жыл бұрын
Rule 68. You MUST NOT Ride in a dangerous, careless or inconsiderate manner. Except when you are in an organised race where the police have been notified. You MUST have the organiser's allocated Competitor Number on your rear. You MUST have a flashing red lamp to the rear and a white flashing lamp to the front. You MUST wear a helmet.
@Jane-vw5om
@Jane-vw5om Жыл бұрын
They’re both cornering wrong 😂
@uizoe
@uizoe Ай бұрын
@Satch024
@Satch024 2 жыл бұрын
Manon said and did it easy.
@vitorvilasanchez
@vitorvilasanchez 2 жыл бұрын
Lost my confidence cornering after opening my chin twice due to overbreaking the front wheel T-T
@SudhirLamba-dh2yd
@SudhirLamba-dh2yd Жыл бұрын
This is my first road kzbin.infoUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA and I have taken it out a handful of times and so far it is exceeding all of my expectations. I didn’t want to break the bank on a first bike and the herd is a great option for getting a fast bike with reliable components. I plan on riding this bike for many years to come. Thank you Sava!
@simonsepic
@simonsepic 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe you should explained what the apex was lmao. Shortest distance around any set of corners.
@LegSpinna
@LegSpinna 2 жыл бұрын
0:05 You can't park there, mate.
@brooooooommm
@brooooooommm 2 жыл бұрын
😍😍😍
@moritzreinmoller704
@moritzreinmoller704 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds obvious, but don’t assume you can take the same corner on different bikes at the same speed. Done that and had to look for my bike further outside the corner than myself😅
@storzenberg
@storzenberg 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry to say but these are pretty useless 6' of blabla. The most critical aspect in high speed or downhill cornering is the use of the brakes. No mentioning here... Where to look while cornering is also kind of crucial. No mentioning neither...
@mikpiotto
@mikpiotto 2 жыл бұрын
Look Up how to courner, gcn has made 7 videos, it's reused content
@JESANgh
@JESANgh 2 жыл бұрын
Can I have a bike like you??
@marthapelletier530
@marthapelletier530 2 жыл бұрын
Watch for killer wet leaves.
@heated817
@heated817 2 жыл бұрын
Just dont do it at 25mph while cutting through a wet tar sealed parking lot
@jessemoore1457
@jessemoore1457 2 жыл бұрын
One other: Keep that inside pedal up. Had the worst crash of my life when my inside pedal was down and I clipped the ground with it.
@paulshao8701
@paulshao8701 Жыл бұрын
there's nothing in here that's actually about technique
@sqdthreetwofourfourtwo5695
@sqdthreetwofourfourtwo5695 2 жыл бұрын
ayy early
@frederickmulder280
@frederickmulder280 2 жыл бұрын
Make it stop!
@christocan4710
@christocan4710 2 жыл бұрын
I watch every GCN video but had the feeling this one fell a bit short. Nothing about cornering uphill on climbs or downhill on hairpin bends. There is much more to be said. Maybe one video for beginners one for experienced riders would have been a good idea.
@rider65
@rider65 3 ай бұрын
🙄 OM(f)G... Efficient Cornering is dependent upon: Situational Awareness. Vision skills; (Background-Foreground sight scanning. Reaction; Anticipation. Implementation of biomechanical inputs. Body AND Countersteering. Tires, pressures, are strictly a Mechanical aspect with limited variables. I.E.- compound, pressure, width (contact patch) The rest of this video (most of it in fact is garbage & a waste of time. 🤦‍♂️
@ArnageLM
@ArnageLM 2 жыл бұрын
Should've been Conner ;)
@dumcat1081
@dumcat1081 2 жыл бұрын
First
@pompeymonkey3271
@pompeymonkey3271 2 жыл бұрын
Take your brain out.
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