$700 vs $4000 Espresso Machine Comparison - How much should you spend on an espresso machine?

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[@KyleRowsell]

You’ve been asking, so I did it! Understand that this isn’t a review but a light hearted comparison. Looking back I wish I used a glass cup to show you the texture! Be sure to watch to the end! Acting may be involved 😂

[@christopherdavis575]

I bought the Breville Oracle Touch late last year. I love the ease of use. It makes really good coffee. I couldn't afford the Bianca or any cappuccino machine in the Bianca class level but some day I would like to have one. Thanks so much for your informative video. I'm a new fan.

[@P1Fanatic]

Look at Bodum Pavoni glass cups

[@SmallSpoonBrigade]

I'd personally recommend getting the Breville Infuser rather than Barista Express, it doesn't include the grinder, so you can take that cash and put it towards a decent grinder. If you bother to go through the process of dialing in the settings, it can put out some rather impressive cups.

[@SmallSpoonBrigade]

@@christopherdavis575 My personal feeling is that it's worth getting a cheaper machine and really learning to use it, if you've been using it long enough to save up for an expensive machine, then you can buy it and have no regrets. You'll know that you can afford it and have the desire to use it long into the future. A properly dialed in machine will put out great coffee, you just might be missing a small fraction of the potential and have a bit of trouble keeping up at parties.

[@llewmatthews4828]

Owned both... the taste is so different to be honest. The bianca is so smooth in comparison. The caffeine buzz from the bianca is somehow less. I used to get an irritated angry energy from the breville but I could rage it out in my manual labor job. The bianca is so pure and refined. The buzz is not harmful in any way to mood. Just energy

[@Thrilos30]

Fun comparison! I started with the Barista Express and loved it. Some people will be satisfied and keep it and enjoy it for many years, others will realize how much they love the experience of making coffee at home and it will become a hobby. Great video once again Kyle!

[@KyleRowsell]

Thank you!

[@patrickgagne2491]

I mean I love making coffee, but 4000$... I think I'll keep my beautiful Breville, since I don't feel like I'll ever be interested enough to justify the expense.

[@JoshDocea]

Currently own the Barista Express. I bought it back in college so for me I loved the all in one (no need for a separate grinder and fit perfectly in my small apartment) and I still get great tasting espresso. Also love that it has PID but I do agree temp consistency is not there when pulling back to back shots. (I usually wait several min before pulling another)

[@whosgonnadotcom]

I understand that comparing the bbe grinder + bbe brew vs niche + lelit is far too unbalanced, but why not use the bbe grinder for both machines in the comparison? It would seem that the biggest deciding factor in the value of the BBE would be the grinder quality. If it's not possible to pull a great shot with the BBE grinder on the Binaca, then it would seem that the value of the grinder would be worthless, and money would be better spent on something like a Breville Bambino or Gaggia Classic and a separate grinder. Thoughts?

[@atisoy83]

💯 agree

[@sAmiZZle82]

I don't think the BBE grinder would be able to produce a consistent enough grind to use on the Lelit. It'd be a waste of time comparing using this

[@whosgonnadotcom]

@@sAmiZZle82 how is it consistent enough for the BBE brewing but not the legit? Note, I'm not defending the BBE grinder at all. This would indicate that the grinder itself is possibly a waste of time/money. This knowledge would provide better context to the review.

[@PM-ik5vu]

I love my breville i love my breville I love my breville... I dont need a 4000 dollar machine I dont need a 4000 dollar machine .....

[@jakevan1969]

Lol

[@e4d578]

Stay that way. Trust me. Going up might seem at first marginal, but going back will horrify you. I've had that lesson from starting with Folger's coffee. Then I had good coffee and couldn't go back. And that's the story for everything thing else related to coffee.

[@kimcircagirl474]

Lol haha Yass and thankya haha

[@PM-ik5vu]

@@e4d578 im going to take this as a sign from the universe that I should keep my breville

[@stephendenagy3396]

The higher cost machine is a lifetime purchase. Cheaper in the end. BTW in US the Profitec 500 flow control (heat exchanger style) is about $2200. That cost matches the cost of daily trips to Starbucks and my espressos are infinitely better. And it gets cheaper from there. Plus the fun of fiddling, different grinds, different flow profiles. Can’t beat it!

[@Mark-EFMB-Combat-Medic]

Hello Kyle, great topic. About five years ago I purchased a Breville Barista Express 870. I spent zero time learning how to actually use an espresso machine and was completely ignorant with respect to how a shot should taste, or why one should taste a certain way due to any particular technique. I simply extracted 2 fluid OZ into a shot glass, poured it into a 16oz cup, added 1 oz of chocolate sauce, 1 oz of caramel sauce, and topped off the very large cup with some poorly steamed milk (which took forever BTW). I found that if I added enough milk, chocolate and caramel, I felt relatively happy with my results. Eventually the pump failed, and I decided to upgrade (somewhat). After some research and contacting several companies, I purchased an ECM, Mechanica V Slim with an additional bottomless portafilter & upgraded the steam valves with ECM, Synchronika joysticks. I selected a Eureka Mignon Specialita Espresso Grinder (chrome finish). The company (I am not sure of I can mentioned the name of the company, so I will not until I am sure that's OK with you and your channel?) I made this purchase from suggested I accept a complementary "coffee school" online espresso training program. I opted for the advanced version, however I quickly discovered I was completely lost, so after contacting the company again, they also provided me a free "coffee school" course beginner version. Over the next few days I completed the very professional video course material, complete with testing and follow up question areas. Only then, did I have a fundamental understanding of what espresso is/was, the difference between good and bad shots, how to recognize problems, solutions and most importantly how to dial in a shot that "I liked". Ii became obvious, I needed (wanted actually) a full featured espresso scale, so I purchased the Acaia Lunar Scale and began weighing my coffee in and espresso out in grams rather than espresso out by volume. Based on the "Coffee School" beginner training program, I started with a 1-1.5 ratio recipe using and 18 gram bottomless portafilter. Eg, 18 grams coffee in, 27 grams out and I selected 27 seconds extraction time because it seemed to be within range 25-30 and it was an easy number for me to remember. Per the "Coffee School" beginner training program, I made sure everything except the grind fineness was constant, then dialed in my extraction time to 27 and weight in grams to 27 by adjusting grind fineness, which took me about an hour or roughly 15 shots. The shots were so ridiculously consistent, and excellent tasting that I replaced previously used (2 fluid ounces of flavoring) with one single drop of chocolate and oine single drop of caramel. I now prefer a 6 fluid oz, Ristretto / Capuchino beverage. I then completed the advanced "Espresso School" training program which opened up an entire world of recipes and techniques that I have now been experimenting with. So in hindsight, I would say in the order of importance, the things that improved "my espresso experience" were: #1) "Coffee School" training, in conjunction with the Lunar Scale. #2) The grinder Eureka Mignon Specialita Espresso Grinder #3) The ECM, Mechanica V Slim, in conjunction with the bottomless porta filter & basket. #4) The almost instantaneous chat or voice support from the company I purchased the equipment form, when I did have questions. (Again, I would like to name the company but I do not want to break any rules). Could I have made generally acceptable espresso shots with the Breville 870? Sure, if I had completed the "Coffee School" training, used a digital scale, and used a decent grinder and had plenty of time to wait for steam and concurrent shots. But being real, "For me", proper training, excellent entry level equipment and fresh coffee has been one of the most rewarding things I have done in a very very long time. Thank you for making it to the end of this comment. BTW, my total investment in new equipment is: $3,243.75 (about 4.5 times more than my old Brevelle) The upgrade was worth every penny from my perspective. Mark Nicholson Former, US Army - EFMB, Combat Medical Specialist 1/94 FA MLRS

[@ThisAintIt435]

Respect to you for this wonderful comment, and I will note that you can feel free to mention any company. The video maker is not responsible for what the viewers write in the comments, so he won't get in trouble with any sponsors or anything. I, for one, would love to know what company you used.

[@tvm2209]

Caffeine crackhead lol nah I’m just joking. Appreciate that thorough write up boss. I find it interesting hearing different perspectives like this especially with such detail. Thanks again and stay up ❤

[@pmhoop1]

Just ordered my barista express. New to the world of home espresso, keep the content rolling! Looking forward to learning new things and growing my understanding .

[@justy234]

Great video mate. I've been using the BBE/infuser type set up for a good 10 or so years and within the next month I should be getting my Bianca. Can't wait to try it out! I'm especially keen to try the flow profiler.

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks! And you’ll love it

[@Carla-hl3fm]

My husband got me the Breville for Valentine’s. I haven’t been to a starbucks or cafe since. My home espresso is better! I LOVE it. Love.

[@verbon47]

Cause Starbucks has become an brand and not a place where they love making coffee. Just go to your local coffee shop and see how they do it there. Just normal words, simple lattes and cappuccino’s. And probably cheaper

[@adamburns1077]

The machines they use at Starbucks look like super automatics to me - they might be really good ones but I just lose the image of coffee being a craft whenever I go there. Still, a blonde roast espresso will drag me through the day when it’s been a long one.

[@stevebyrne6606]

planning to buy one for my wife. sounds like its a great deal.

[@parkercushingable]

So I ended up with my BBE because my uncle upgraded to the Bianca! Now I'm learning and pulling shots daily.

[@bmoore5868]

This is a great approach to a purchase. Whenever I buy something I start with educating myself about the top shelf high end items and learning how to discern their differences over the mid priced item.

[@KyleRowsell]

Glad you agree!

[@slurpsupcoffee8514]

This is a great video. I think you did a nice job of communicating expectations people should have with each machine. One further direction you could discuss is why more pressure in the steam wand matters. If people haven’t steamed much milk that’s probably less obvious.

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for the comment!

[@marksmith2913]

Thanks for doing the comparison. It would be very interesting to see a double blind taste test done between these machines, (to eliminate any expectation bias) again using a good grinder. There is little doubt that The Lelit Bianca is a more capable machine but it would seem that the taste of the espressos they both produce is very comparable.

[@bryanj.2447]

I love that you didn’t totally dog the Breville! Espresso is such a beautiful experience and you can have a beautiful experience with any of these machines if you’re willing to put in the work! I’m a coffee shop owner/coffee roaster. I have a two group Astoria Rapollo At the shop, A Lucca M58 and ECM grinder at the Roaster for espresso experiments, and then that exact Breville at my own house🤣! I don’t want some thing with a large footprint inside my own kitchen and when I make coffee at home I don’t want to pull three or four shots to reach perfection! Sometimes we just need a Americano to get us up and moving in the morning. Over many years in the industry I have been able to change my thought process of picking out what is wrong in each individual shop/machine/process, to simply appreciating the differences. It really helps me not lose my mind

[@DerekHubbard]

I've been using a BBE that I bought LIGHTLY used for $300 (A serious steal.) I just ordered the Bianca this morning, and I am SO. DAMN. EXCITED. Looking forward to giving the BBE to my mother for Christmas. Nice video!!

[@eskerinola5845]

So, whats your assessment? Worth it? Cheers

[@Max-wl5ll]

how are you liking it! what grinder do you have?

[@wrightjazz22]

This was a great comparison video. As someone who just upgraded from a Breville Bambino Plus to a Bianca, Kyle is 100% correct that the biggest difference will be texture, but if you’re playing with flow rate, the flavors are much more balanced and round on the Bianca as well. Breville was a great machine to learn the basics, but the quality of my shots are far superior on the Bianca. I was skeptical that this could be true, but having an E61 machine with a rotary pump makes a big difference. I got lucky and was looking for machines just as Lelit had a 20% off sale, but if your budget allows for a machine like this, you won’t be disappointed. Thank you Kyle for creating trustworthy content. Home espresso is an investment, and people like you make it easier to pull the trigger on a purchase like this.

[@iltsefuentes2886]

I love my Breville ! I don’t care how sexy and amazing the Lelit Bianca is. Lol

[@AndrewOvenden]

Me too... until my Breville died three months out of warranty.

[@drumsonly44]

@@AndrewOvenden 🤷🏽‍♂️ buy another one and you’ll still have money left over

[@victormoreno2767]

If you are on the fence for Breville machine consider the dual boiler 900 series with a vario grinder, you will be surprised at the quality of the shots. I have had the Breville 900 since 2012 and it is still up an running. My coffee references are pitango coffee shop and habitu caffe. It also depend on your skills. Enjoy coffee!

[@v.m.a.d.a]

For anyone considering the Breville: spend your money on a Rancillio Silvia and a decent grinder instead. You can get by with a basic Gaggia grinder, but spend the extra couple bucks and get a Sette 270. The Silvia is the same price as as Breville, but it is a proper espresso machine for the price. The Breville's grinder is trash and shouldn't be a consideration. Get a real grinder, the Sette 270 is best for the money.

[@AcidicDelusion]

Is the rancillio rocky grinder ok to pair with the Silvia ?

[@v.m.a.d.a]

@@AcidicDelusion absolutely, the Rocky is a very capable and respectable grinder as well. You can't go wrong with either, but overall the Baratza Sette 270 is slightly better all things considered, and they are the same price (both $400). That being said, the Rocky is great for the price and not a bad grinder by any means.

[@thomuso]

Is the Bianca worth it to me? Ive had mine for about 4 months now and the dual boiler is making the whole difference, from my 12yo Rancilio Silvia. PID and the paddle. The paddle is really usefull, especially when i use darker roasted beans. Also being able to adjust water temperature is amazing. 93c for my darker roasts and 95c for light roasts. I live in Norway and we usually use a bit lighter roasted beans than most other countries. With all the adjustments possible on the Bianca, i can use lower quality beans and still get great tasting espresso.

[@andrewmcwhirter6567]

I think Breville hit a home run with the Barista Pro, which is faster, makes better steam, has the digital display with shot timer, and a grinder with better adjustment (compared to the Barista express).

[@sophierossal]

This is an awesome video! My husband got me the barista express for xmas and now we are both obsessed learning all about good coffee and is getting into a hobby! We even talked about upgrading it once we learn all the basics and mastered them haha... I see you amazon list but which is the the grinder you actually use? Do you have a video explaining whats the difference about the portafilters sizes? Im still confused about that.. new subscribers here!

[@KyleRowsell]

Hi Sophie! Thanks for the comment. I use the niche zero for my grinder. I have videos all about it ☺️ Thanks for the sub! Welcome!

[@andreavon5929]

Really enjoyed this video, must watch till the end,very funny!👍👍👍

[@jacksonleach9193]

“Who do you think I am? Gayle?” 😂😂😂😂

[@KyleRowsell]

😬

[@DerekHubbard]

I seriously spit up tea.

[@v.m.a.d.a]

@@DerekHubbard TEA??? GET OUTTA HERE (I'm jk tho I like tea too)

[@TeaganAtwater]

I'd love to see a comparison between this Breville and the Bellisimo by Café cause that one is so pretty, the reviews look good, and it's priced competitively with the Breville

[@prspastor]

Thank you for the video! I strongly agree, the grinder is most important. However I own an E61 and Olympia Cremina, so I guess that my vote is to have a better machine as well. 😂 The creaminess from better machines is worth it for me.

[@ahmed.dhaheri]

I upgraded from Breville barista express to lelit bianca. And I can say it is day and night

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for this response! Do you mind unpacking why?

[@ahmed.dhaheri]

@@KyleRowsell ok first thing is my brother owns a cafe and he hates the breville barista express specially when he used to come to my place during the lock down. Second is living with an extended family breville could not held to the high demand. Finally I fall in love with the lelit once I thought of upgrading and honestly I have zero regret

[@KyleRowsell]

@@ahmed.dhaheri awesome! Thanks for the response!

[@jasonhagen]

I bought the Breville Barista Express and I cannot pull good shots. I’m definitely thinking about returning it. I’ve been looking at the Lelit Bianca. But I would need a good grinder as well. The Niche Zero is so hard to get right now. Any recommendations?

[@willyhaug549]

Finally someone who also talks about how the coffee tastes from these machines (very good!). All the bad ones about how to unpack the machine and how to use it. Those who go to the purchase of such machines know how these work.

[@AM2PMReviews]

Love these I made a lot of espresso with my BE and now I have a DE1pro. My BE was great for getting started. However it just broke after 5 years and I need to replace the 3 way solenoid

[@KyleRowsell]

It’s a fantastic machine to get into espresso.

[@riffmeisterkl]

I have the BBE and recently upgraded to a Eureka Specialita Mignon grinder. The grinder makes a lot of difference over the built in grinder.

[@felipefn88]

A transparent glass you have made this video so much better! Thanks for your time doing this.

[@juliodefreitas157]

Awesome video and thank you for sharing your tips 👍👍

[@axel.lessio]

I have the Barista Express, it's really nice. However, going back I would invest in a high end grinder and pair it with a relatively cheap espresso machine. The grind uniformity has way more impact than anything else. Even a $4k espresso machine will pull shots that have unwanted sourness and bitterness if the grind profile is bad. On the other hand, perfectly ground coffee will extract better and more consistently even with cheaper machines.

[@MusicSasho]

Which grinder would you recommend?

[@axel.lessio]

@@MusicSasho, if you can find a Niche Zero, that would definitely be my recommendation!

[@jojovaldez7628]

Now I'm curious to see a shot comparison using the Breville Barista's grinder.

[@rickydedos4085]

Ohh, I thought that’s what he was going to do when he said he was going to make it as fair as possible. Seems like the most logical comparison. I haven’t finished watching yet.

[@rickydedos4085]

Okay never mind. He used the same grinder for both so it’s the same.

[@KyleRowsell]

I highly considered this. But I didn't think it would be worth the extra 2-3 minutes of video. I could have been wrong. BUT I'll make a video about the Breville smart grinder pro since I have one of those and I pull some shots with that. Deal?

[@jojovaldez7628]

@@KyleRowsell Breville Barista Express owners want to know how bad the built-in grinder is compared to "real" grinders. Is it really that bad? So bad that it would compel us to buy a Niche? Maybe pull some shots with the built-in grinder, the Breville smart grinder, and the Niche, using the same machine. Use the Lelit since it pulls more consistent shots.

[@Dancingmartian]

@@jojovaldez7628 I love this idea. I just bought a Barista Express and already notice some strange things with the grinder. Major clumping, heating of the grounds, and a good amount of retention. If this can happen, Kyle, this would be fantastic. Either using the Lelit or the Barista express, but varying grinders. I am strongly considering upgrading from my express to Niche and Gaggia Classic Pro. But I'm wondering if it's worth the combined $1000 plus investment as an upgrade from the Barista Express.

[@zackar5690]

watching this video while brewing my coffee with cheap nescaffe dolce gusto lumio

[@darkdraconis]

I´d rather drink puddlewater mixed with shit than any product from Nestlé tbh

[@samuelOPM]

Watching while drinking standard swedish brew coffee

[@krisbowditch827]

As long your happy with your brew, who cares 😃👍👍☕️☕️☕️

[@stephendenagy3396]

I use the flow control Profitec 500 heat exchanger. I previously used the Bree (w/o grinder). You are right, steaming is a MAJOR problem with Breville thermoblock. Big road block. Espresso quality also MUCH better with Profitec. But...I recommend starting with the Breville, and when you are ready, make the jump. You will appreciate it better in that order!

[@hom296]

Stephen: I'm thinking about getting a Profitec 500 with flow control. How do you like yours? Are you glad that you got the flo control? Joe

[@limer4330]

Who do you think I am, Gail? LMAO!! I can't believe she retired. I would imagine Gail is responsible for tons of sales and not just for Seattle Coffee Gear. She said she did over four thousand videos. I may have never watched this video if it wasn't for her. That said, nice video and a video that makes me reflect back to all the money I've wasted on coffee gear to only realize I should have bought something like the Lelit at the beginning. At least if it didn't work out I could have sold it for a couple of grand. Nobody's ever gonna shell out $450 for a used Breville.

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for this comment ☺️

[@playbackamusicloversjourne8620]

One thing to consider is depth of the machine. You'll need a counter 20" deep minimum for the Lelit. I went with the Breville as it's all in one and only 13.5" deep so it fit easily on our appliance cart and we didn't need to use up valuable counter space in our small kitchen. I only use it a couple of times per week however once I' got the grinder dialed in I've never had an issue in the 2 years I've owned it. Bought it on the Breville Ebay store for about $550 CAD & free shipping!

[@elwyn14]

It's a good comparison, personally I was between the Breville dual boiler and profitec pro 600, I went with the profitec, the value ended up being in the overall aesthetic, I live in a small apartment and with a minimalist thought process you tend to just spend the extra money and get what you really want, making coffee is a morning ritual and you want to be using something that's beautiful.

[@GuitarsAndSynths]

great choice! Grinder is super important as well.

[@elwyn14]

@@GuitarsAndSynths For sure, I still love making coffee with it every morning :) I'm no coffee expert but I feel like the grinder is atleast half of what makes a good coffee. I got the Eureka Specialita back then but I wonder if I'd go the Niche Zero or something and maybe i'd even think about a machine where i could get it plumbed in... Surely it would add value to my place if i sold it... haha

[@donalmahon]

can you do a comparison video with the breville being the expensive one?

[@salun.alnuaime3951]

Hi great videos and so helpful , i have a question what do u think about the Phillips late go and do u think it’s good as the Briville barista express ? Thank u

[@Platoface]

I have watched 50 videos on all types of machines and NO ONE talks about LONGEVITY. Thank you. You were the FIRST. If I am plunking down $4k for a machine I dont want to hear it will last 2k or 5k cups of joe before it dies. I want it in YEARS. I just bought the Jura S8 but honestly I am thinking about returning it for the Lelit with the 61 grouphead. In 7 years you will not care how much you paid for it as you will feel like you are paying only for the beans and the milk which is the way it SHOULD be. The only downside is the wife likes a cup of coffee and the convenience of the superautomatics. But the HUGE downside also of the superautomatics is the cleaning supply costs and the time spent. A great cup of espresso is nice but the taste is forgotten if you have to spend more time cleaning and ordering more pricey supplies to keep it running.

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for the response! And I’m glad this video helped ☺️

[@slicenseal2752]

Great video ! But it's kind of a strange comparison because the Breville has the built in grinder which wasn't involved in the comparison. So it really says that don't bother using the Breville grinder if you want great results. At that point why would you buy that machine when you really would want to purchase a stand alone quality grinder to go with it which of course defeats the purpose of having a built in grinder. So it comes back to those two machines being extremely far apart in general (not just in terms of cost). If you want mediocre pseudo espresso and latte's, the Breville will be just fine for many people. but they won't be able to improve the results or their skills given the limitations of the machine. You can quickly end up going down a rabbit hole with machines and grinders and be looking at thousands of dollars. You can also get good results with something like a Gaggia Classic Pro and a Baratzo Encore grinder. Then you will be able to develop real skills without being held back too much by the hardware. It won't get you to the Lelit class, but much further than that all in one Breville solution.

[@vestanpance99]

You're going a little hard on the Breville there. I think your initial observation was the right one, i.e "the Breville grinder wasn't involved in the comparison". That doesn't say don't bother using the Breville grinder, it just means it would've been a better test to use it for this comparison. You can get far better than "mediocre pseudo espresso and latte's" with the Breville.

[@MarxConsuegra]

Great and helpful video Kyle! just want to ask or maybe a new video request hehe. If you have $1,900 budget for espresso machine to be used for a small cafe what can you suggest to start with?

[@Rawprawned]

I’ve had a Breville pro dual boiler for around 6 years, hasn’t missed a beat. Like the sry quick startup, programming, pre fusion, temp etc and put 5,800 cups through it. Saying that, I’m thinking of a Bianca V3, not because I think the coffee will be so much better, it won’t, mainly because of the looks, and some shot profiling. The greater return will be from a grinder upgrade and fresh coffee weekly. I don’t think people could taste the difference and even if the could, people don’t do comparative tastes between machines. It’s frankly about so you like the looks, yeah it’s pretty sweet, and how is your budget. Breville dual boiler is excellent, often in sale in Au for sub 1k

[@astronomical13]

I’ve easily purchased multiple Lelit Biancas worth of Starbucks over the last 20+ years.

[@burggraf738]

I really hope no one clicked off before the skit at the end 😆

[@KyleRowsell]

🤫

[@sawaftar]

Respect to BBE's espresso making ability and how long it's lasted, but now I know that I need to upgrade to this baby

[@tracydavenport2107]

Enjoyed the video. I’ve owned the BBE in the past and it’s nice there are options for someone on a budget or just getting into espresso. But once you go down the espresso rabbit hole you’ll upgrade quickly :-). 3 machines later I’m on an ECM Synchronika and it’s night and day from the quality to the workflow. Probably would have been cheaper overall just going with that to start with but I learned a lot during the process.

[@jhomrich89]

Oh yes it's very addicting and expensive as I just purchased my latest upgrade a Quickmill QM67 and last year I upgraded my grinder to a eureka migon specilita

[@amirulnaqiuddincucms]

Subscribed! Great video bro!

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks!

[@superkjell]

Heston Blumenthal has a podcast and in the episode about coffee he talked about his involvement with the design of the Sage/Breville Barista. Recommended listening!

[@scottleggejr]

I would do a flair before I did either of these two machines. Budget and quality. The only thing you can cast doubt on compared to the lelit is the temp control.

[@maximiliankrause9533]

Love this video! Thanks for comparing these almost „incomparable“ machines, I was really wondering if I should get the breville or should save up for a better one. I don’t love the longer warm up time on the dual boiler machines, sometimes I want espresso right then, and a half hour warm up would be too much for me. So I was thinking it’s probably better to compromise on the machine but get a better grinder and have quick decent espresso „now“, instead of having the perfect one „half an hour from now“

[@angelarazzoli9801]

I have the Bianca, 5 minutes warm-up water + 7 minutes warm-up group e61

[@avaxis]

Uhhh I don’t really buy the taste test, unless it’s a double blind test. Cause you’re telling yourself even before tasting it that the more expensive machine is going to be better.

[@mnminnmn]

yep, another major seller reviewer did a 300 vs 3000 machine taste test, but using same good grinder for both. she could not tell the difference, barely guessed right. i dont think they did another blind test again for the last 4 years. hahaha tough on sales when a 300 machine puts out the same quality as a 3,000.

[@tonygibbons5]

@@mnminnmn do you have a link? Or the name of th reviewer or the machines? Thanks!!

[@DarthJeep]

Time to compare the Breville Pro. It has significant improvements over the express model. Does the walnut finish make make the coffee taste better??

[@duaneboxwell9137]

Love this video and your approach. One big nit: why don't you show the shot? Pull it into a clear shot glass. Describe the consistency of the heart, the body, and the crema. How do they relate to what you expect from that bean, ground that way? In a video we have access to sight and sound. While I can't necessarily pick out a good shot by sight on my home machine, I can definitely spot a bad one. You spend a fair bit of time attempting to describe the difference in textures that are present in the two white cups; it would be very helpful simply to show it.

[@Gazzaroo]

I have that Sage/ Breville. My first. Just bought a 1zpresso max to try to improve my grind. First time dialling in today!

[@chase5436]

Every time I start looking into making my own coffee, James Hoffman convinces me I'm too poor to afford anything other than equipment that makes shit tasting water.

[@sung-yulpark3258]

I would say it is a fair comparison if the comparison is with the 920 version or higher. It would both have dual boiler and 58mm porterfilter. This comparison has no merit when the spec of the machine is that different.

[@jdogger5]

that's part of why they are so differently priced though

[@sung-yulpark3258]

@@jdogger5 A 920 version or higher will still be at least half priced as the expensive one. Thus, it would be a more fair comparison spec wise while maintaining the major price difference. Choosing a machine which is bost lower spec, lower price just pushes the narative that that you get what you pay for and you need an expensive machine for good espresso. Spec wise, 920 version or higher would make similar quality espresso with less than half the machine price.

[@michaelsingh843]

Hey Kyle, would you check whats the brewing pressure on both machines, me thinks the the breville lowering the breville higher brewing pressure may impact the shot.

[@scottteh2911]

Hi Kyle, want to ask your opinion, i had a Breville Barista Express, should i get flair classis or pro 2 if i aim to get more in espresso? or Breville Barista Express actually make similar espresso quality with flair?

[@giantmidget1527]

I have a Barista Express 870XL From like 2013 or 2014. I have had to replace one of the solenoid valves in it, and I have had to replace the internal button for the grinder, a total cost of around 80 dollars for the parts. I was able to teardown the device and replace the parts effectively. It's a long lasting machine in my opinion!

[@joshcook777]

Great comparison!

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks josh!

[@TheTurbo930]

KilR vid bub!!! I’ve been looking into exactly how REAL espresso was made or done…hear all about the French Press…to me their a more simple just percolator or one step up?? And then you have these tubers that don’t even know the difference in espresso and cappuccino etc…??!! For I got my hook up on REAL espresso a few years ago, I lived in Puerto Rico for a number of months on a job, well we were introduced to the best legal “speed” we ever saw hahaha so oh yeah after that EVERY morning we got a couple (if daring 3) shots and WOW we were so hopped up for a while it was awesome as we went to job site at 4:00 and was a one hour drive from San Juan, where we resided. Haha anyway this was the first of TWO videos where I learned the REAL difference thank you sir awesome and complete job!! I think I’ll go a different route as the French press 😂 although it probably can be used to make a very strong cup of coffee but NOT A SHOT!!😃👍🏻👊🏻 🙏 thank you kindly!!-Turbo.

[@ricecakeboii94]

I own the breville & now make better coffee than those who work at Blue Bottle. You can do so much with the Breville once it’s adjusted for the beans especially under Manual mode. My main issue is dialing the grinder requires wasting a lot of coffee beans (or low pressure shots). Steam wand is slow but for doing things yourself it won’t matter.

[@AstronomyGuru84]

Just got my Breville Bambino a few days ago. I need to get a grinder so I can start grinding my own coffee. But so far I love it!!

[@LowsJuan]

One is an appliance as you said, like a toaster. When the breville breaks like a toaster, you throw it in the garbage. The lelit will be around as long as you maintain it. Ten, 20 years it your choice how long you want to use it.

[@grzib]

This video is exactly what I was looking for . I have Bezzera Crema + Niche Zero and I have to say I love faffing around dialling my shots so I don’t think I’d ever replace it with semi automatic like Barista pro

[@DavidPetryk]

Interesting would be to take the express out and put the breville dual boiler into this comparison

[@howard525]

I have a Kinu Grinder and I think it is enough for home espresso, does the Breville Bambino do the work?

[@jordans2346]

i have the bambino and its definitely small but mighty. its like the barista express but with a little more power in a smaller package. the only thing is make sure to get a bottomless portafilter ! it'll change your espresso shots exponentially ! its also good if you're making maybe 2-3 cups in the morning :-)

[@Gamblor24]

Which roaster and what coffee did you use for this? I'm from Vancouver and always looking for new beans.

[@krymsynda1302]

I love rocanini's fifth avenue blend in Vancouver

[@roboliver9980]

I’ve concluded I’m happy to enjoy espresso in coffee shops and have aeropress/pour over at home. The cost rabbit hole is too big 😂

[@Bils1280]

Switch them both on at the same time and see, which cup is finished first :D I like, that it´s an honest comparison. I´ve learned, that buying cheap means buying twice, but often it´ll teach you the basics and get you into the craft.

[@JuanHernandez-ek8zh]

Does a grinder makes that much difference? I have a Rancilio rocky should I upgrade to the Niche?

[@nsantana]

Saw this and had to get me a new one. I have the Phillips 3200 but now love the breville

[@frieveller]

Hey Kyle, this video is like answer to my long pending decision to buy between BBE & Lelit Bianca. Thank you. I have one more question, i plan to open a small cafe and use Lelit Bianca in that, so how much time between 2 shots to pull, since it cannot maintain the temperature as u mentioned?

[@jasmineflores4962]

It was the bbe that didn’t maintain temp not the Bianca

[@hoann2218]

Hi Kyle, I see on your video that the woiden elements of the Lelit Bianca machine is light brown. In other videos or pics on the internet, i see dark brown. Does it then come with several shades of brown? Thanks

[@Avarage.Joe-David]

Wow that’s the perfect video. I’m thinking about getting a Espresso Maschine at the moment and this two models are my favorites price wise (Sage -> Breville) and function wise (lelit) But the price here in Switzerland is way cheaper. The sage you get for < 300 $ if you wait for a good deal (4-5 times per year) and the lelit cost between 2200-2500 $

[@davidkovacs9538]

Awesome comparison thanks

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for watching!

[@maximepronovost3537]

"If you wanna have a party, and have all your friends over, and make shots for everybody, you're not gonna do it on this guy, you're gonna do it on this guy" Oh Kyle, when it comes to espresso... I AM THE PARTY.

[@williambradfordreese]

Quick question- I’m in between the lelit Bianca and Profitec Pro 700. Any recommendations between the two?

[@danmatthewtan8027]

Hey! Thinking of getting the Breville Dual Boiler, how would hold up against the Bianca?

[@slvrbach]

I would love to see this comparison too. Particularly, with a modded BDB that has the rotary pump and the Slayer mod. Basically your machine vs. Peter Russell's over on Home-barista! 😉

[@juanpoy101]

@@slvrbach can you share those mod? Is it in YT or somewhere? Im planning to upgrade my BBE in a 1year or 2. Thaaanks

[@KyleRowsell]

The BDB is an excellent espresso machine at home. You save money but sacrifice build quality and potential longevity, but there is a thriving community around that machine and it can make fantastic espresso.

[@halimsahlan]

What's your take on pump machine like the bianca against a spring lever machine? Will there be a significant difference in taste?

[@KyleRowsell]

I believe they each have their advantages and some have personal preferences. A level machine has a lot more tactile feel to pulling a shot, and can be forgiving for a shot that isn’t perfectly “dialled in”. But you have to put “extra”effort in brewing a shot.

[@halimsahlan]

@@KyleRowsell yeah.. Definitely... I'm thinking of getting a spring lever. Currently i have the expobar 2. Very decent machine, made me many good coffee. But im intrigued by the spring lever. They keep mentioning the low pressure infusion and the shot profile with decreasing pressure at the end resulting in sweeter shots. Furthermore, a spring lever like the bezzera strega is well within budget.

[@fLaMe98able]

Dude, how do you only have 2k subscribers? This is easily one of the best coffee channels on KZbin! Keep it up!

[@KyleRowsell]

Ah, thanks friend. Just started a few months ago, but just thankful to be here ☺️

[@fLaMe98able]

@@KyleRowsell That’s awesome! I’ve already subscribed and turned on notifications - can’t wait to see what’s up next ☺️

[@4uraska]

because of a very important phrase you said I ended up not buying a BBE .... "the grinder is more important than the coffee machine" .... I ended up buying a Eureka Mignon Specialita + Gaggia classic ...

[@axel.lessio]

Very good choice! And yes, the grinder has more impact than the machine in the final shot.

[@OYeahan]

@KyleRoswell You mentioned texture. Do you think that the rotary pump in Bianca might provide better texture than the vibration pump in Elizabeth?

[@CNTRRNDM]

Would you say the Bianca is a good choice for a small boutique café (around 50 cups per day)?🤔

[@jamesbrightman3997]

I've been using the Breville Infuser for a few years, paired with the Sette 270. While I might not spend $4k on Lelit, I might spend $1500 one of these days on another prosumer machine but it would be great to see a video that compared the Breville to one of those, like the Rocket Apartamento or Profitec Pro 300, ECM Classika... Something in that price range.

[@KyleRowsell]

Thanks for the response! Many of the differences with the lelit apply to machines like the apartemento and other prosumer machine. The big difference would be the dual boilers with individual pid control and flow control.

[@jdraven0890]

At the $1500 point, consider the Berreza BZ13

[@WaechterDerNacht]

If i have a party and want to make a shot for everybody, i'm not gonna use coffee....

[@sandydennylives1392]

It's hard to drink coffee through a face shield and mask but I see your point.

[@thumbtak123]

Breville Barista Express has some nice upgrades that can make it much better. Like the bottomless potafilter and the basic.

[@maurodelgadoo]

Great video! Excuse sir, what do you think about a 58mm entry level machine versus the Bianca. I have a gaggia classic pro machine with PID control and I ordered a niche zero grinder on March delivery. Do you think that I will have a good home espresso workflow or it's worth the money to upgrade to a dual boiler machine? Thanks for your time!

[@lastoneleft5945]

Oh congrats!!!! I bet your super stoked!!! May i ask where you purchased it?

[@maurodelgadoo]

@@lastoneleft5945 I bought the gaggia classic pro 2019 from whole latte love and the PID Kit from Mr shades online

[@lastoneleft5945]

@@maurodelgadoo perfecto 👌 thank you very much!!!!! One last question about the grinder though, where did you purchase that?

[@KyleRowsell]

Hey! I think you'll love that setup! Congrats!

[@lastoneleft5945]

@@KyleRowsell I think I'll go with his exact same set up since you're vouching for it 🤣🤣🤣 have a good day sir

[@albusfr]

I just got myself a Ceado E6P on sale to replace the breville dual boiler’s included smart grinder pro. Can’t wait for fluffy grounds!

[@andrewvela5064]

The end of this video was hilarious, after that I had to hit the subscribe button. Hey I need help please do a Gaggia classic pro review. I want to know if I have a really decent grinder what is a better buy? Like what will pull better shots? I think steam is even better on classic pro. But will the pro pull the texture shot like your big boy machine? We know the breville won’t I mean had good taste like you said but texture is important to me as well. Torn between breville and classic pro?? If you had a really good grinder what one would you then buy based on performance not cost. Which one pulls better shots?? Breville vs Classic Pro??Thanks so much

[@jornidema1884]

Buy the classic pro or buy a classic from before 2015 that one has better parts

[@jornidema1884]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z3WpoHuEfc53gNU take a look at this video it compares the Gaggia classic VS the pro

[@andrewvela5064]

I’ve seen that video. But how close does any classic come to just brewing shots with a really good grinder compared to that big boy machine . And is the classic brewing noticeable better than the breville?

[@wpaunan]

I never EVER get any sort of steam milk/cream with my espresso. Is there a machine that is higher end/priced appropriately that doesn't have a foamer?

[@winfle]

Now I see how marketing works, because there are much better machines instead of Barista Express like Gaccia, Ranchilio or Lelit! Sorry, I can accept that this exists.. Maybe I'm too coffee nerd, but you got a point

[@sushixp]

Personally run a 1zpresso jx pro with a rancilio silvia with pid. Worked well for the last 6 years

[@pompeyexileuk205]

Would be interesting to have seen a comparison using the Breville (Sage here in the UK) dual boiler which is still far cheaper (under £1200) than the Lelita at about £1,789. Don't know what the price difference in the USA is. With that saving here I could by either a Eureka or Niche grinder too.

[@sionjeon5531]

Hi Kyle. Just wondering about using the Lelit in a small commercial space. I've spoken to retailers who have told me that these machines are good for long term use and will need a lot of maintenance. Would you find this to be true? If so, what would you recommend for a commercial machine with one group head?

[@spencjon4822]

I know you asked Kyle but... I don't think either are good for that. The linea mini has enough capacity to do shot after shot, but these arent actually fully commercial grade.

[@halohalo1632]

How Long did u use barista express before u bought lelit bianca? After how many years did u upgrade?

[@deniseellis9488]

Interesting comparison and would just like to encourage anyone considering a Breville to look around and read reviews, I'm a former owner of two Breville machines, the Barista Express and the Oracle. Barista Express would never reach proper temperature, made all the adjustments, returned and received another with the same issue. The Oracle was an expensive mistake, needed major service while under warranty and failed again just a month out of warranty, Breville wants $500.00 for service. Money better spent towards a better machine. The Oracle has known issues, just look at reviews on numerous other sites, common issues include, tripping GFI outlets...unable to perform auto descale...overheats and leaks water. Currently looking for another machine and a strong consideration was Lelit, but have now read that Breville has acquired the company.