How to achieve CONSISTENT GOOD LANDINGS | Real Airbus Pilot

[@franciscocolon1740]

Absolutely on point. People seem to have abandoned the use of the Aiming Point and are happy give themselves a shorter stopping distance in order to get the soft landing. All it takes is a long landing roll on a wet or snowy runway to get out of that habit!

[@A330Driver]

yep, especially under winter conditions this is a problem. The last third of the runway often has braking action much lower than the first two thirds.

[@Sbbbb476]

@@A330Driver why does the last third have worse braking??? I never knew this :)

[@MurphyJungKR]

@@Sbbbb476more snow and ice on the runway since less planes passed over those parts

[@jeromez.2672]

Last flight to Heathrow showed the reality. It seemed the Pilots were in hurry to get of the runway...the touchdown was on point and then they went into full reverse. I saw the reason..shortly after we left the rwy, a giant 777 was in short final. There wasnt that much room for butter, except in the galley. 😂

[@strikingscorp4659]

I think the universe is telling me something…

[@RoamingAdhocrat]

don't eat butter?

[@andrewbennett2582]

Nice video as always. Still maintain that one of the main causes of bad landings in flight sim, is the pretty much guaranteed incorrect glideslope and/or papis. Really wish they would fix this.

[@mosheflute]

I admire your endless knowledge, ability to put things in order and deliver all of it in a perfect methodical means. What a devotion for your KZbin followers! Amazing!

[@A330Driver]

Thank you very much!

[@Sbbbb476]

Nice tip is to hold around 2.5 degrees of pitch(a320 flaps full) on passing 200 feet... guarantees 50 over the threshold almost every time if your stabilized

[@Izmael1310]

I think you should mention that when flaring it can help to look at the end of the runway. I dont know exactly when real pilots do that, but I think it really helps.

[@mdhazeldine]

Remember guys, Emi earned his stripes at Ryanair ;) Just kidding!! lol

[@A330Driver]

hahaha, though Ryanair certainly did modify a LOT of the standard FCOM content that one sentence is original Boeing and Airbus :D

[@Jannik_Stein]

Small reminder for everyone on the a320 flare technique: At 30ft initiate the flare by pulling back on the sidestick and holding it. At 20ft retard the thrust levers. If you pulled to hard, let go of the stick, but DONT push it forwards, as that might result in a nose gear impact. If you flared to little, DONT rapidly pull further, as the rotation of the aircraft hardens the landing. In the a319 you have to flare a bit stronger as it has less energy. For the a321Airbus recommends flaring less than in the 320, however I still experience floaty behavior with that thechnique. I'd recommend retarding the throttle at 30ft and than flaring more than usual, maybe comparable to the a319. With those techniques I constitently get smooth(-ish) landings right where I want them. One more note, your approach really has to be good. At about 200ft ignore both PAPI and Glideslope as both are often wrong in MSFS and just visually fly it over the threshold at 50ft with a descent rate of about 600 to 800fpm

[@vikeeeeeee]

Thanks man! I have consistently been putting down the A320 with 200-300 fpm in the touchdown zone, which is fine, but I want to improve the rate. Thanks for the advice!

[@andrewbennett2582]

@@Jannik_Stein good tips. It’s so infuriating that the papis and glideslopes are wrong. Such a basic essential thing in the sim. They really need to fix it.

[@goalski134]

@@vikeeeeeee200-300fpm is more than fine.

[@coriscotupi]

I'm no Airbus pilot (but still a real-life pilot), so I cannot comment on specific Airbus landing technique. But I've been intrigued by something after watching hundreds of airliners landing, particularly where a good view of the the maneuver is available such as in airport live camera channels (the "SBGR live" channel come to mind, particularly when the wind favors the airplanes landing facing away from the camera). Here is what I've noticed in those images: Often, when the airplane is just a few feet off the runway and is rotated nose-up in an attempt to arrest the rate of descent (and is still rotating at the moment of touching down), the main landing gears will actually touch the surface rather firmly. Conversely, on many occasions the airplane can be seen "de-rotating" (slight nose down movement) resulting in a pretty smooth touchdown. Here is my take on what is going on in such cases: When the airplane is still rotating "nose up" during landing, even though the airplane may actually have its vertical speed reduced, this last-second rotation may result in the main landing gear meeting the ground with a _higher_ rate of descent than the airplane as a whole, because the geometry is such (landing gear aft of the CG) that during this rotation the main gear will experience the airplane's vertical speed PLUS the vertical component of the gear's rotation about the airplane's CG, before the airplane has time to actually further reduce its descent rate. The opposite would be true on last-second "de-rotation": the main gear will experience the airplane's vertical speed MINUS the vertical component of the gear's rotation about the airplane's CG. The observation of many, many landings on airport live camera channels seems to support this. If any of this makes sense, it would be best to stop this nose-up rotation just prior to touching down, letting the airplane touch the runway at a fixed pitch attitude. Trying to rotate nose-up at this instant would result in a harder landing. If (again) any of this makes sense, I don't think this is implemented in MSFS, because it would entail keeping track of the main landing gear's rate of descent as a separate, unrelated variable from the airplane's own rate of descent.

[@brett22bt]

"I can't believe it's not butter." (Old person's joke).

[@mjj3298]

I could not agree more about emphasizing how the aircraft is a stable platform and ONLY needs input when trying to change trajectory. It’s a problem even in real life, where so many pilots over-control and jockey the stick all over the place for ultimately no meaningful input on the plane’s path. It tends to be a trend among the social media pilots who think it looks cool to post a video of them wresting the yoke on a 3kt headwind day 😂

[@mcalexgame]

As a real-world pilot, how stiff would you say the Thrustmaster throttle should feel compared to the actual aircraft? I'm looking to adjust the stiffness to make it more realistic.

[@broncomaniacuk]

Good video. My biggest issue is dealing with crosswinds after turning off the autopilot. What sort of controller inputs should I be using? Just aileron and elevator, or should I use some rudder too? And I understand I should focus on the end of the runway, but when should I start this, and what should I be looking for? It would have been good if you could have talked about this too.

[@oliverunruh900]

Great video, Emanuel. One question: In which range the rate of descend on tochdown should be?

[@VBHB83]

With the new update the Fenix has changed it's flare again. I found that when I pull back on the stick nothing really happens for a second or two which is a bit scary.

[@nicolainielsen7700]

I have the same experience. 50...40...30 (flare, throttles idle....nothing happens)....WHAM. I have started initiating the flare at 50 instead, and it seems to work somewhat (if you manage to control the float)

[@ireumiobseum]

The obsession with butter landings is taking away from actual quality of the approaches and landings done nowadays.

[@jeffcupido4110]

This is great Emi and it helps. One thing that is not mentioned or seen are erratic winds and gusts on final. You mention that the plane should remain on path with minimal stick changes which works fine in light stable wind conditions but seldom that is the case. I find myself playing quite a bit with the stick in gusts especially in the 737 (but airbus as well). I have turbulence on Medium. Is this your setting as well or do you keep it low? Not sure if MSFS is overdone in this area.

[@Crime-v3v]

This is one of the last things I have to learn after studying all other systems. My landings are getting better, but I think my passengers are still scared out of their minds with my landings. Thanks

[@TheNasgold]

Thank you Emanuel. Great video. Where I can find your tutorial about flying a pattern? I see nothing about this in the video description.

[@tomstravels520]

So exactly how much sidestick is needed? Because there is a stark difference between this and ToLiss. ToLiss I use what seems to be a reasonable amount of sidestick movement similar to videos I've seen and various other RL pilots have said it's pretty accurate. But with Fenix I could literally blow on the sidestick (if it was the wrong way) and it would flare. However I don't want to change sensitivity setting because for all other aircraft it's fine. If I do the same movement on the stick for Fenix I do for ToLiss I'll be back in the air again.

[@quickdrifter6352]

👍 Can you do a video how to land the 737 and 737 Max?

[@bstange]

Butter!!!!!!! Sorry that was too tempting...

[@strikingscorp4659]

m3taleye needs to see this video ASAP 💯

[@A330Driver]

😂😂😂

[@strikingscorp4659]

@@m3taleye👀

[@Not_Lewis]

It also doesnt help that the fenix has thoroughly exaggerated ground effect which makes the aircraft very floaty. I can be configured and stable up through 200 feet and then aircraft will just catch ground effect and float so I'm constantly fighting with a ton of nose down input trying to get it back on glide path

[@ca3340h3993]

I think the captain of a flight I was on a few years ago needed to see this IRL. Long story short, I was a passenger on a Boeing 717, and we floated a bit on a short (2000M Long) runway at a regional airport. The touchdown itself was so smooth that I didn't feel a thing, but I sure felt the deceleration and heavy braking after. The engines spooled up significantly when the reverses were applied (ie, much more than just idle reverse) and the aircraft almost felt like it just stopped on a dime. After stopping on the runway, we turned around straight away (no further taxiing to the end) and the end of the runway was probably only about 10M off the left wing as we turned 😮.

[@Turbowings37]

what do you guys think about the inibuilds A320neos landing technique? personally i think its too "Floaty" and unrealistic compared to the Fenix A320

[@CMDRRustyDog]

Butter (lightly salted). Well, I think that was more about letting us know your pet peeve than anything else :)

[@ChMueller001]

Where is the link to the traffic patterns video?😊

[@ivar7542]

m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/bX2ugqajgtqif6M&pp=ygUbQTMzMCBkcml2ZXIgdHJhZmZpYyBwYXR0ZXJu

[@kiotee_nouw]

You forgot to post the traffic pattern link.

[@quantik1678]

When you are coming in to land on the glideslope and you have the runway in sight, do you usually continue the glide using the Flight Director or visually with the help of the PAPI lights?

[@aribassi]

BUTTER!

[@Deyan_B_Travels]

I used to follow the flight director like crazy and it often screwed me over on the glide slope. I correct a bit less now and the glide slope comes in slowly. Before, when I followed it more, I often ended on the glide slope at 50 ft, but at the wrong pitch attitude, which screwed my flare after that.

[@A330Driver]

Some addons unfortunately have really bad flight directors and may lead you to question your own technique when it’s actually just a bad addon.

[@deutschland2853]

what is the add on called that called out approaching 25L

[@henrikolsen5]

Link to pattern video missing in description?

[@ArghIsThisHandleTaken]

Captain Canada's discord in shambles hearing that buttery smooth landings isn't the way

[@saytoga]

Csn you please shoe your current Fenix sesitivity setting in a video plus the other useful settings

[@anticooperativ8398]

one thing im curious about now is, if you have an aircraft that has a bogy like the 330 and 777, does the entire main landing gear have to be landed or is for those only the initial part of the landing important to be within the touchdown zone?

[@Carlo-f1e]

Great and useful video; may I ask you what exactly "an Airbus keeps flying straight" means? Do you know any site or documentation which could help on this? Many thanks in advance, and please keep going posting 👍🏻

[@jbmedia4584]

It means that an airbus is constantly autotrimming your pitch. If you’re pitching down in another plane and you’re letting go your stick/yoke the plane will pitch up again and won’t fly down anymore. In the airbus you pitch down and let go of the stick you will be flying down until you pull up you’re stick again to pitch up.

[@aeroedler]

Hello could you make one on Gusts via 05 rnway madeira but in your settings show us how many gusts per minute you use, because the last video of yours about gusts you didnt show that, thank you for all your content man, im starting an youtube channel in portuguese because of you , i love aviation and i feel much happier now, but my main goal is to be pilot unfortunately is to expensive, but i will achieve it somehow

[@mikoajhandzlik8607]

On ND when you approaching is text "APP 25L". This is from RAAS functionality implemented in to the Fenix?

[@tristarRB211]

Great video. For some reason I find the bigger aircraft such as the A340-600 and the A330 easier to land than the A320/321.

[@A330Driver]

My impression is that you feel positive landings much less in widebodys compared to narrowbodies. That can easily lead to misconceptions 😅

[@tristarRB211]

​@@A330Driver ​@A330Driver actually I just feel they are more stable and forgiving on an approach. Like in a crosswind for example, they don't seem to need as much correction.

[@tomaszlink447]

Emanuel, you know that computer simmers won’t get it. Smooth landings begin with your Piper or Cessna training. And butter landings are a myth. Landing must be firm and safe, within the limits of the aircraft 😎

[@A330Driver]

They probably can't get it in the real world with their PC experience, but they surely can get it right on the PC :)

[@tomaszlink447]

@ I agree 100%. My son went through similar path you did. FSX, then PPL, then work horse hours with known airline and now he is on 747-400 or 747-8. He said that when he started his ppl his instructor had to spend quite some time to have him unlearn what he learned from the simulator. First was to look outside and cross check inside, and forget about “butter landing” term. Flaps 2 or 3, where 3 is usually very firm on Pipers. Look outside and make it happen. I’m sure you know what I mean 😂

[@kizaru628]

I've been having problems landing the 777 where as I get to 100 ft the aircraft enters ground effect and slows down the descent rate from 700-600 fpm to almost leveling off and I have to push the nose down quite aggressively in order to increase the descent rate. Where as in the 737 I've never had to do that and in both planes I do Vref +5 landings and disengage the autopilot at 1000ft. Is this normal for big jets or am I doing something wrong

[@noah9130]

The fly-by-wire simulation of the PMDG 777 is quite wrong and completely non intuitive in comparison to the real one. Don't think you're doing something wrong.

[@carlosgalan5481]

How accurate is this to the real thing ?

[@ronstewtsaw]

Chuckling at an excellent speaker of English using "oversight" instead of "overview."

[@jetBlue083]

In my view, the best way to have consistent landings is practice!

[@damonried1720]

For many, they simply practice their poor technique which does not help. One must know WHAT to practice, hence this video.

[@Piloto-pt5rs]

Hello,Good video What is your configuration on the tablet?

[@PD-ws4td]

The problem with my planes is that it doesn’t trim on its own so I keep floating over the runway.

[@almuric1baggins337]

OK Hands up! i am so useless at landing any of the popular aircraft (PMDG 737-800, PMDG 777W, or any of the Fenix airbuses) that I have given up in despair! I just hit both AP switches and do full Cat III autolands every time! It really is a good thing that I never decided to attempt to be a real life pilot. I just cannot seem to get those three axes (P Y R) to come together when landing!

[@mdhazeldine]

On a more serious note, I have a question: when on final (i.e. established on the ILS and autopilot is turned off), under what circumstances would it be correct to use the rudder vs the ailerons/sidestick? I know you use it to remove any crabbing during the flare, but should it be used at all before that point?

[@A330Driver]

Hi, the rudder is only and ONLY used to decrab during the flare.

[@mdhazeldine]

@@A330Driver thanks. I had a feeling you'd say that. I have used the rudder before to get me lined up, but then when you let go, it swings back, so I felt like I was probably doing the wrong thing, although when you get very low (like the last 100 feet) you want to keep the wings level don't you? Perhaps at that point things are becoming unstable and you should go around.

[@m33DFB]

What’s your sidestick sens

[@707liner8]

In real life, what is considered a normal landing feet per second? Also, can you link the circuits video, I've always struggled to get a suitable flightplan.

[@kdjunior5282]

Fliegst du die a330 900 von Headwind auch ab und zu ???

[@GotSpaceGame]

Margarine...

[@wesser9533]

Hi! Whenever I turn off autopilot, with no stick input, my A320 starts to drift off in the wrong direction, and it requires a lot of correction. Any tips for this?

[@RoamingAdhocrat]

could be a stick calibration issue. if you set a large null zone on your roll axis does it stop happening?

[@wesser9533]

@@RoamingAdhocrat Might have to try that! I think its at 5% right now I'm not sure if that's high or not. Using the Thrustmaster A320 stick if that helps

[@RoamingAdhocrat]

@@wesser9533 hmm, iirc that uses Hall sensors, so it shouldn't wear out like potentiometers would. could still be miscalibration!

[@drwhitewash]

Unfortunately all the Virtual Airline tracking software, career mods addons etc etc, focus on the landing rate. In Virtual Airlines you even have leaderboards of who did the least neg FPM (per week, month, overall), they show your average FPM on your dasbhoard and pilot profile... Yes, it has also happened to me a few times that i floated until half of the rwy, luckily the planes have strong reverse thrust and brakes :)) Which is kind of sad, because then it builds up wrong habits in the pilots. Unfortunately none of them track how far away from the zone you touched down and give you points for that. Idk why they are so focused on this metric and don't want to switch to something else. Having a hard limit to reject the flight if the landing was too hard (e.g. >600FPM) should not be that bad though...

[@goalski134]

this, this and this! a lot of this is on them. they also have a crazy level of grind, so when they’re docking you points for normal landings, it encourages the ridiculous floating you’re talking about.

[@baldragetv]

i have a very good PC and yet with everything in ultra cant get even close to this level of detail... what am I doing wrong?

[@A330Driver]

Too many strange graphic modifiers? My sim is pretty much default except for airports and airplanes plus GSX.

[@baldragetv]

@@A330Driver i don't use any plugins besides the GSX. maybe you could make a video giving us a tutorial? that would be awesome! thanks man!

[@HerbertHatstand]

That landing was Lurpak..............

[@stefan7869]

How did you activated the aproach runway and ru wqy lengt callouts?

[@A330Driver]

Hi, that's vRAAS by Land3Simulations. You can get it on the contrail store.

[@balintszij7126]

Im not saying butter. Im saying Ghee :)))

[@neozoan]

Like just for calling out the emphasis on "butter" :-p

[@gabor-toth]

As I'm using an Xbox controller to fly, I'm now safe to know my landing are actually fine. 😅

[@Federico_io]

what's the name of the thing (App25L) and where does it come from?:)

[@A330Driver]

Hi, it's vRAAS by Land3Simulations. You can get it on the contrail store.

[@sili780]

RAAS PROFESSIONAL.

[@Federico_io]

@sili780 ok, tnx, and where can I find that?:)

[@Federico_io]

@@A330Driver oh, TNX:)

[@NicolajFlies]

How about ASOBO grants us the ability to achieve a consistent, good game? Then we can work on the landings.

[@mlem3787]

XDDD That may be one of the best comments I've seen on Msfs topic

[@boyermchristopher1]

100%. I play on the Xbox X in my game is broken and one way or the other probably 25% of the time.

[@NicolajFlies]

@@boyermchristopher1 - Yes! I’ve never experienced anything like it my whole life.

[@mammid9622]

Go to x plane then

[@NicolajFlies]

@ - criticism is protected by free speech. Deal with it.

[@henson2k]

I'm cheating by adding 2 notches to trim right before flare

[@chrisearlyup]

Butter it 😂

[@maciejbereszczynski6909]

What monitor are you using?

[@SmilingBlackberries-nu5ny]

Hello Emanuel, thank you very much for you content, it was amazing that I found it on whole youtube. Most time i'm flying 777, and still have a problem with a landings, usually i flare to early and it leads to long landing, falling speed and hard landings. My question is: i often hear that on the flare you should move your focus to the end of the runway and it will provide better visual clues about height of the aircraft above the runway. If it possible, could you please make a video where you can explain it in more details (and arrow shows on which points should pilot focus - like on preview for this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sKWcp5WHnrN-f9E)? Thanks in advance!

[@landingmission2203]

Butter 😅

[@jsgdroid]

Not Butter...Parkay!