[74] Three Schlage Everest Locks Picked: NOT "High Security"

[@Ektalon]

You can really tell how LPL’s delivery has improved with time: in these old videos he always sounds tired . . .

[@thizzobishi]

I was like damn what happened, since I started in the 400 plus of his videos.

[@lerpalerpa581]

Lol maybe he won a lawsuit somewhere along the way

[@steltekx]

At first I thought I had KZbin playing slow. He sounds normal at 1.25x speed

[@eucLogic]

Confidence does a lot for someones vocal delivery.

[@fixingitrightish]

@@eucLogic yeah I was thinking the same, makes the most sense

[@pantherplatform]

I made my own lock picks using an old wiper blade, pliers and sandpaper. Made the handles out of the wooden dowel handles on foam brushes.

[@Potti314]

Interesting lock: security by obscurity. It's secure as long as you don't know the check-pin. But as they print their logo on the front... Great picking of three in a row :-)

[@lockpickinglawyer]

+Potti314 Thanks, and you are exactly right in your evaluation: these locks are an attempt at "security by obscurity," but with a sign on the front door giving away all the secrets. It's actually funny if you think about it.

[@Potti314]

They could improve the security by removing their logo ;-)

[@Silverhand57]

It adds a new function to the lock/key to allow the company to create a patent so they can sell it as a proprietary key for so many years. It's all about key control...few can pick any kind of lock but anyone can run out and get a copy of a standard schlage key at home depot. A key blank still under patent must be ordered through the manufacture and only with the proper documentation that you have purchased that key system...

[@andrewthemaroon8608]

Not me trying to figure out how to pick the lock of an office I clean as a janitor and TOTALLY didn't just lock my keys in said office......

[@pickbeard2690]

Would love to of had a gut with it to show the check pin as never seen that type of lock before. Great.video,Thanks Sir👍👍👍🍻🔓😘

[@lockpickinglawyer]

+Pick Beard In retrospect, I probably should have gutted one of them. FWIW, imagine and L shaped pin with the short end engaging the key and the long end traveling through the core into the lock body.

[@Sl0oMo0-y1t]

@@lockpickinglawyer yep it's L shaped with spring tension. Sits in the bottom of the core.. Just keyed a bunch today for a doctor's office. First time running into them. The key keeps it set when pulling the core out to rekey but you have to have a certain key when putting new pins in the keep it in place while changing to a different bitting unless you have something in place to catch it when the core comes out.

[@morphlinqc]

I would love to see you pick a primus lock. I can't find any video of you doing so. Did you ever try? 😉

[@predsfanmyrtlebeach]

I keep coming back to your channel and searching on Schlage to see if you have done a Primus yet. So far no go but I'm optimistic.

[@IthBombgard]

Nice Trifecta man, and very informative (as always). Keep on keepin' on brother!

[@lockpickinglawyer]

+Ith Bombgard Thanks, and will do!

[@TheDavesnothere11]

Great video and picking on the Everest models. You can also taper one edge of the thin style wiper insert to use on the side pin and not worry about it binding in between the others.

[@lockpickinglawyer]

+TheDavesnothere11 Thanks... For me, Everest locks are not worth the trouble of modifying a tool. Have you ever seen one that binds in the middle of picking? I've only picked about 10 of these locks ever, but on all of them, the check pin bound either before or after the standard pins.

[@TheDavesnothere11]

+LockPickingLawyer I think I have seen someone's video where it did, but can't recall which. Mostly I made the tool out of fear from the hype security label. I just wanted to simplify the pick my first time. It keeps amazing me how when I set aside preconceived notions about a lock and just follow the feedback I open ones that I didn't think I could.

[@lockpickinglawyer]

+TheDavesnothere11 I strongly agree with your point about setting aside preconceived notions. Very true!

[@dirksecrets]

Clear and concise. I am going to learn a lot from this video. Many thanks for sharing that.

[@lockpickinglawyer]

+dirk Thanks -- having learned pretty much everything I know on the internet, I like to hear that others find my material useful.

[@MorellioBenoir]

Sound like you might be coming down with something, hope you're stayin' healthy LPL!

[@PapaGleb]

Best Everest video Iv ever seen. Still cracking up

[@lockpickinglawyer]

+Papa Gleb Thanks.

[@muhdewd9727]

I’m curious to hear your thoughts on the newer “SL” series Schlage cylinders that use a sidebar/L-pins with an empty bible instead of a conventional top/key pin setup. They can also be had with primus sidebar but probably rare without paying a couple hundred for a registered setup.

[@gymkhanadog]

@LockPickingLawyer I see this was a Schlage test from the tail end of 2015. I re-keyed my house two years ago with Schlage but don't see a Schlage test in your channel since this one! What might it take to have you try out a modern Schlage? :) Or have they not changed in design enough to do so? It's the standard single cylinder deadbolt and door knob design you can buy from most big box stores. No claims of "stronger than fort knox!" type BS. Just says it meets ANSI Grade 1 standards for strength and security.

[@nitramretep]

Great job of exposing the "Schlage High Security" myth! They just don't seem to get it, not as bad as Master but pretty close. Why they dont stick to the Primus series is beyond me.

[@lockpickinglawyer]

+Peter M Thanks -- glad you liked it.

[@hilo2-est3-elev]

@@lockpickinglawyer Are Schlage Everest SFIC’s more secure?

[@tamalodg196]

@@hilo2-est3-elev The ONLY HIGH Security Locks that Schlage makes is the Primus and Everest Primus locks! But if you come across a lock thats a Primus you will automatically know as Schlage purposely Stamps PRIMUS just above the Keyway on the lock.

[@TiberianFiend]

Great vintage LPL video.

[@freakygardener8033]

This was the first time I ever heard of that!

[@deronchopathe3791]

Great demonstration: Bravo!

[@lockpickinglawyer]

+de Ronchopathe Thanks!

[@ChanningHandler]

Must have had a couple drinks before this one.

[@JC61990]

Can you make a video on schlage primus and how master keys work?

[@RaulRodriguez-fj4mo]

Great demonstration

[@serhiicherepov1805]

Obviously, this castle has a feedback, so it can be opened by "pure". Thanks for the film.

[@lockpickinglawyer]

+Serhii Cherepov I think something got lost in translations, but thanks for watching.

[@kenc2257]

You must be using "Google Translate;" I use it also, and get some very interesting language translation results.

[@CreatedbyJonah]

I’m getting Schlage Everest keys to bring to school for my 2HS classroom upstairs at Tomball High School.

[@Munky332]

Just looking into this, was actually looking for info on the Primus. I can't seem to find any information on them. I'm looking to get a Z-wave Schlage, wondering if I did find a Primus core, would I be able to put it inside the Z-wave? Is there another alternative?

[@nikkiewhite476]

Wow a baby LPL video! Cool!

[@twelve9110]

I know this one building near my house that uses these exact locks…

[@chuckboyle8456]

Outstanding, thank you!

[@lockpickinglawyer]

Thanks

[@idkidk4334]

I've seen master number 3s labeled as "high security" and "very pick resistant precision cylinder"

[@jerryholmes9999]

Schlage doesn’t label the standard Everest as “high security “ only some people do. It’s really only a somewhat higher security product.

[@hugomartel8552]

Nice one!!! People think They are primus lock...

[@lockpickinglawyer]

+Hugo Martel Thanks. More likely, they don't care and/or prey on the uninformed.

[@hugomartel8552]

I agree...

[@deltakilo317]

Is there any way to fill in the milling on the side of a blank key and use it for a primus?

[@lockpickinglawyer]

+TheMorePerfectWay Physically, its probably possible (at least for the Everest primus), but technically challenging to the point that its probably not worth the effort.

[@pk610]

Thanks for all your great videos, I really enjoy them. Is this video also applicable to the Schlage Everest 7 pin key cylinder with side bar too? I saw that this was a 6 PIN lock vs what they are now calling a 7 PIN lock. Do you have any recommendations for a bump proof cylinder? Thanks

[@philhart9800]

Nice vid, I can pick em, but not quite as quickly

[@Jackcc5]

Thank you for your video very informative im a big fan. why do you use peterson picks rather than any other brand?

[@lockpickinglawyer]

I use a combination of many different kinds of picks. Peterson, Sparrows, Southord and a few other are among my "go to" picks. They all have different profiles, and each profile has keyway/bitting combinations in which it works best. Learning what picks are best for each lock is a never-ending learning curve.

[@Jackcc5]

LockPickingLawyer sounds like the same ones that I use I just got my first set of petersons lock picks its the Kens pick set GSP but im not as good as you are your pretty awesome. hey your video on how to pick serrated pins on the American padlock was very helpful i had been working on my one for a long time turns out that it had hybrid serrated spool pins.

[@lockpickinglawyer]

Jackcc5 Glad you liked the video. I didn't realize how important sound was until I was at a TOOOL meeting in a bar, and seemed to immediately lose my ability to pick American locks. This was a while ago, and my skills have progressed beyond sound dependence since then, but the lesson stuck.

[@DanL57]

LPL, how do these Everest locks hold up to key bumping? A common criminal will not have the skill to pick these locks, but maybe they could key bump them.

[@christopherlawler3033]

Everest "B" family restricted "SFIC" & Everest-29 "R" family restricted "SFIC" and the newly developed Everest/Everest-29-SL Series all contain 7-pin tumblers based on BEST LOCK Corporation's A-2 pinning system specifications of 2-step progression with 0.01250-inch steps between coded pin bitting depths as represented on the individual key-cuts, with the "SL" series being a side-bar based locking mechanism with unique "L" pins with false-gates that could very well be absolutely BUMP PROOF, based upon their design that utilizes no pin-stacks and no shearline. The SL series cylinders cannot be bumped open. Period. Also, the SL series are available with the PrimusXP option for geographic restricted high-security ratings. Drill resistance seems to also be standard for these cylinders too. The SL series are intended to retrofit standard (non-IC) door and locking hardware such as cabinet locks, padlocks, etc. into a unified restricted master-key system in concert with "Best-Style" 7-pin Everest B-family & the back-wards compatible Everest-29 R-family restricted Small Format Interchangeable Cores. More information on Schlage Everest-29-SL us.allegion.com/products/keysystems/schlage_key_systems/cylindercategory/Pages/details.aspx?InfoID=56 Schlage Everest-29-SL Service Manual us.allegion.com/IRSTDocs/Manual/111232.pdf

[@lockpickinglawyer]

Thanks for the information, but I was not talking about the primus (version with finger pins and side bars) or the SFIC, which has it's dual shear line challenges. Those locks definitely present their own unique obstacles to NDE. The normal Everest lock, however, is not impressive at all.

[@christopherlawler3033]

The "conventional" pin-tumbler Everest cylinder isn't ever meant to be or rated as "high security." That was never Schlage's intention when they originally introduced the Everest line of locks & keys. If you are in fact looking for greater security than standard or conventional Everest or Everest has to offer - then you can either add security driver pins to the conventional cylinder for enhanced security OR you can upgrade to Primus for geographic exclusivity and the UL-437 rated security option for drill resistance and resistance to other physical attacks. Schlage Primus is in fact backwards compatible with the conventional cylinder technology, so as to provide the end-user with the economic flexibility to only swap out the locking cylinder(s) or core(s) for the affected or sensitive high security areas of a facility.

[@wire54321]

What model of Everest Keyway is it?

[@adamwest8711]

I imagine if you tried raking, you’d have a decent chance of not even noticing you’d dealt with that check pin. Even one spool would greatly improve the chance that a novice or anyone not familiar with these locks would could probably struggle but, either way, agreed not high security

[@ExTechOp]

Were you sent here by imgur: Picking an "unpickable" lock?

[@cameronchadronet7464]

How many Primus's have you picked?

[@cameronchadronet7464]

I'd assume a few

[@Verntheowl4]

Ever pick a primus?

[@jeffmoss26]

the Everest is basically for key control.

[@lockpickinglawyer]

+Jeff Moss Maybe, but since all (non-primus) Everest key blanks are exactly the same and the check pin is in the same spot on every lock/key, I'm not sure that it provides much protection beyond that of a new keyway (which Everest also has). Am I missing something?

[@jeffmoss26]

No you're pretty much spot on.

[@ghffrsfygdhfjkjiysdz]

When schlage invented Everest, it gave them patent on key-way, hence making it restricted. Since then patent expired and it's no longer restricted.

[@jeffmoss26]

Everest C series keyways (C123 etc) were never restricted, just not sold at retail. D series keyways (D145 etc) were and are still restricted by Schlage and are not sold without a letter of authorization.

[@servico100]

I have used Everest for over ten years. I have a number of apt buildings that had different locks and the keys were many generations of hardware store copies and any number of retained copies. My main concern was lobby door control. With Everest, I have not had a problem. My master opens everything. The Super's key opens his bldg only. My concern is only key control. To keep a former tenant from returning and using a key that was reported as lost, Every move-out, the cylinders are changed or should I say exchanged with a stock reserve set. So far no problems. The lack of security due to the number of master levels is not a problem at all. AND I get all my keys back from moving tenants because they want all of their deposit back. They get 3 keys on move-in supplementary keys requires an additional deposit of $10.00 dollars each. Lost keys are replaced at $10.00 each. Broken keys are replaced free. and the broken portion is generally removed free.

[@crystalsheep1434]

About a miniute for the second lock

[@LongboatLtd2004]

for whatever reason, i am looking at SCHLAGE everest cylinders on ebay. maybe bc of this... 30.Jan.2021

[@r.d.longshot91f4]

well this is an old one

[@cameronforss1531]

these and very similar are used at my school

[@allaboutroofing2]

Dang you sound young here.

[@MechInvent]

You are such a pro. When I was 16 I was able to pick my way into a friends house. ( he gave me permission of course ). But yeah... I was 16 and just bought a kit like the week before? Shouldn’t be that easy

[@sabinegray1450]

Shit researching for hours and Now you tell me primus is impossible?

[@michaelryan9857]

Yeah right. I have had two different trained locksmiths tell me that they can sit there for hours trying to pick s schlage and usually just drill them out because they're such a pain in the ass. But you have discovered some secret unknown to the locksmiths of the world.

[@jimmywells33]

To someone new at this, the "check pin" would certainly make this a "high security" lock since it's likely they would not have know about checking for it.

[@Ddub1083]

Well.... its "highly secure" for an amateur, even absolute beginner lock picker. it is not at all high security for any actual lockpicker who would be attempting to break into your lock. Since its typical that any lockpicker you encounter ISNT a beginner, then it is not at all high security.

[@mattt4080]

I struggled with mine until watching this video lol