Pilot Misses Runway on Landing

Landing too low can create a massive issue especially if the airport starts at the side of the mountain.
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[@RobEJC]

How a "snack" company hasn't sponsored Kelsey yet is beyond understanding. He's ALL about the snacks and thinks everyone else loves their snacks, too (ATC, etc.). Awesomeness.

[@edmonddelagarza4029]

Mmmmmuuuuahhhh! Quit kissin ass😂😂

[@terrygivens132]

Exactly they are missing an opportunity.

[@dublkrossr2059]

I agree plus in the old days snacks and food were free. Booze was always $$ though of course

[@dana102083]

He needs to pick a few and then send the videos to the company..I saw a Phillipines guy that takes care of his grammar get a lysol sponsorship that way😊❤

[@falxonPSN]

"Pilot perspectives brought to you by Doritos!"

[@davidp2888]

I love how Kelsey integrates snacks into his videos. They’re important.

[@gabrielle-AV-n-PFloyd]

Me too and yes absolutely!🤣

[@LHGII]

He always talk about snacks..I think he was a smoker before becoming a Pilot

[@djg5950]

@@LHGII Maybe he just likes to eat ? Guys are like that. The little things (favorite snacks) mean a lot to them.

[@YDKJ07]

​@@djg5950I like snacks. I know pilots who like snacks. I work at an airport for a regional carrier. Flight deck crews are about their snacks.

[@North_West1]

Snacks and free breakfast is what Kelsey lives for. 😂

[@Vouker-Flies]

"We paid for all the runway, so we'll use it all" - joking aside, thank you for the informative video! As a pilot in training your videos really help and are super entertaining!

[@marcelolazarini3191]

Hi, Kelsey. Great video as always! This is the town I was born (São Carlos), and that place was originally a tractors factory that was converted to Latam maintenance center. The runway was the original from the factory (used for private flights at that time). Was extended a bit and received better lights. But it’s not a commercial airport, is basically used by Latam to get empty planes for maintenance.

[@randallraszick6001]

Your local perspective is golden. Thanks!

[@justinshaffer3419]

After that landing it's definitely going to need some maintenance. :)

[@MrDportjoe]

@@justinshaffer3419 Stil that airline is in the top 1% of airlines for safety in the South American market base.

[@SteveJobsIsGod]

Thanks for sharing your perspective!

[@maryeckel9682]

Good to know, thanks

[@DaWolf805]

Hey Kelsey, thanks for mentioning us on the dispatch side. I think it would also have been good though to clarify that we are certificated airmen and we are empowered by regulation to consider safety above all other factors. We're not just telling crews to fly halfway across the world on three engines purely because it's the best thing for the airline. We could very easily lose our livelihood for doing that - dispatcher certificates are revoked much more commonly, per capita, than pilot ones. We're doing it first because we calculated that it's safe, and then secondarily because it's the best thing for the airline.

[@ChanceNP]

This reminds me of when I was a flight RN and we lost an engine (EC135). I did not realize that while the helo can fly with 1 engine, it can’t land with 1 engine. Did a run-on landing on the runway which was a bit hair raising, but it all went well. Didn’t have a tow veh at the time so the three of us had to manually push/pull it 500 yds or so back to the hangar. Good times!

[@thewhitefalcon8539]

Oh yeah, helicopters need more power to hover than to fly in straight lines, don't they? That must be a bit weird but I suppose in terms of navigation it's no different from a plane.

[@franklinsternberg4528]

Kelsey, Sao Carlos airport in the interior of Sao Paulo State is not a commercial airport, not even a private one. It exists because Latam (former TAM) has a maintenance facility over there. And it hosted an Air Museum, closed for many years now. It is located 215 km air kilometers (135 miles) from Sao Paulo city, and 165 km from Viracopos Campinas airport (100 miles).

[@mazsenior]

I told my brother in law about your channel (he’s a Captain training pilot’s at United). I really enjoy how educational your videos are and I told him you’re a fantastic ambassador for the profession. Keep up the great work!!

[@suzannetitkemeyernlq]

Just restating the obvious here Kelsey, but you have completely demystified flying to the point where I am no longer a nervous flier! Thank you!

[@suegardner]

Same here. The positive impact on your life can't be underestimated, can it? Such a relief

[@baseballmomof8]

Amen!!!!!

[@AlanLavender]

08:40 “Hey, controller, put your snacks down, my life is in danger here”… pure Kelsey 😅

[@andyto629]

Agreed! Funny AF

[@baseballmomof8]

Flew to Houston last week. Honestly sir, your videos helped my stress level decrease tremendously. One of our sons is an FO on the 787, and I worry less (although he flew to TelAviv a couple weeks before 10/7) because of you. Thank you Kelsey.

[@TwilightZoneX]

Absolutely correct 💯

[@zarmril]

Congrats to your son

[@6thdayblue59]

Absolutely love your humility and the amazing way you tell a story. You always make us feel safe and secure. Since following your channel, I have been able to encourage nervous flyers by sharing (and telling them who you are) the posts you make. In 2023 many employers do not like their staff making KZbin / social media posts. Kelsey, I am sure I speak on behalf of the million + people who follow you, in saying that if your employer ever doubted your integrity, then over a million people would trust you more than they trust an airline. Brilliant content as always and thank you for making it so engaging and interesting.

[@Wtfukker]

as a nervous flyer the only thing i heard in this video : "you'll be surprized how quick they can throw in a new engine, its kid of alarming" 10:47 :P

[@baseballmomof8]

Well said. Thanks

[@mariannebeutner6298]

I started watching this channel to confirm my fears of flying. To get around flying I would drive if the destination was within the US. To get to Europe was the problem - going by ship took too much time. After over a year of watching this guy, who knows the planes, the ATC, the aviation regulations, and can fly, I lost the fear and became intrigued. I would not have believed it but I now actually get excited to fly. So thank you.

[@Meepmeep64]

I live close to Manchester Airport, I've heard 3 bird strikes in my life from the ground (the distinct popping noise gives it away) including a popular one on you tube which was recorded in 2007. Every single one has resulted in the plane coming back and landing safety thankfully.

[@nanoeumesmo]

The São Carlos Airfield is almost only used by the LATAM maintenance center, there is no regular flights there and beyond LATAM only a few flight schools from the region and particular airplanes use it.

[@ts_oliveira]

They did even pull out an A350 landing in there at least once

[@PJWey]

Brazilians love a dirt road. Estrada de terra 😀

[@StevenKeipert]

I remember a conversation with a stewardess on a United flight back in the 80s. They had just landed at an airport that I think was in North Carolina and when they deplaned noticed local press filming. She asked one of them if they had missed a celebrity on board. The response was no, it was just that nobody had ever laned a plane that big at that airport before. Evidently not something pilots like to hear.

[@David-yh4wz]

I used to love watching the FedEx DC-10's and MD-11's land at the old Robert Mueller airport in Austin. Super-short runways (13R/27L@7313 feet, 17/35@5011 feet) made for some exciting (in the Chinese sense of the word) times for planespotters.

[@texasbroker]

Reminds me of this: On the night of February 3, 1986, a Boeing 737-201/Advanced airliner operated by Piedmont Airlines landed on a 3,877 feet (1,182 m) long Daniel Field runway instead of much longer runway at Augusta Regional Airport as intended. After skidding to a stop still on the runway, the crew and all 106 passengers were unharmed.

[@No_ReGretzky99]

I'm like 15vmins from Memphis Fed ex biggest airport hub in world see all kinds of md 11 and 747s everything also have air national guard based outta there with a couple globemasters and 2 kc 135s

[@maryeckel9682]

​@@No_ReGretzky99that must be some fun spotting!

[@nunyabidness674]

Walla Walla Regional. Normal traffic for the last 30 years or so have been the Dash-8s (Horizon / Alaska), and the normal thing for folks living under the glide slope is the occasional Cessna C-150, or twin turboprop. 6527 feet of runway, originally built as a training station for B 17 pilots. Now we're getting 737-200s... Buddy of mine was griping at work. He's describing having a second story bedroom, and his headboard is under a window. He's telling us how he enjoys waking up, opening his eyes and staring at the sky for a few, letting himself wake up slowly. He had barely woken up, cracked open his eyes and a set of landing gear fills his view accompanied by the scream of jet engines. Said he had to change the sheets after nearly levitating out of bed.

[@hsbvt]

Great video, however, at 8:05 I thought it was really cool when that dragonfly came out of no where and the slowmo made it look almost majestic. lol Have a great week everyone!

[@AndyGadget]

Love the inclusion of the true master of the air in the 2nd clip - The Dragonfly. Incredibly agile and deadly when hunting.

[@optimusprime4443]

I'm a Cabin Cleaner and here to say that you pass right by me last week in IAH airport you were in terminal B on the United Express and you were boarding one of the planes that cleaned I didn't get to say hi to you cause I was in a hurry, stay safe.

[@MarieAntoinetteandherlittlesis]

You should just be like “Hey Kelsey, I’m watching you…” 👀

[@debrabaker1009]

Watching you is so cool because you’re so calm about anything that happens when you’re flying which intern makes me think that I am going to be very calm next time I fly😂 thank you.

[@sequoiasemperviren3163]

That was incredible time lapse video of removing/reinstalling a jet turbine engine. Great stuff!

[@PleegWat]

That first story reminds me of a story I heard years ago about the aviation museum Aviodrome in Lelystad, NL. Aviodrome has an old KLM 747 in their collection. Now, the museum is right next to Lelystad airport. Back when they got it, the airport and runway already existed, but it was (slightly) too short to land a 747 on. So despite plenty of pilots claiming they could land the plane there no problem, they decided to ship it in overland instead.

[@Tiger313NL]

I watched it float past along the route. Fun times. :)

[@kenbrown2808]

more likely to find an engine on the shelf at SeaTac. but fun trivia, some years back, I met a truck driver who was a Boeing contractor. all he did was deliver engines. he'd drive to Seattle, pick up a trailer, deliver it to the destination, then take the scenic route home. he owned his truck and house, so all he needed was money for food, fuel, taxes, and chrome.

[@billleach7915]

My son was landing in Knoxville, and the pilot did a go around. After they landed, my son called me and made it sound like the end was near (not really he was just asking me about it because I am an engineer in the biz). I pulled the audio the next day and it was so business as usual sounding. The pilot said they needed to go around, and they were vectored out and landed several minutes later.

[@luiskp7173]

About the second video, the telephoto lens is producing a lot of planar compression, making visual illusions of the distance and position of objects. When Kelsey said the second plane is kind of high, you can see the plane’s shadow just in the threshold, even though it seems to be over the “blocks”.

[@fazer8201]

we had a near wingstrike during our landing in singapore when the pilot flared too much and floated, which then the crosswind rolled the plane to the right, and our right wing was a few cm away from the runway

[@LucidDreamsShorts]

Damn

[@eliomarlacerda6943]

And yes Kelsey, you pronunciation of Sao Carlos is accurate, great portuguese skills. Great video as always. Greetings from Brazil

[@bernardmueller5676]

The dispatcher ALWAYS orders you to return to the airport you started - Lufthansa did this a short time ago. They were near China and ordered a plane BACK to Franfurt/Main in Germany. Crazy.

[@truthteller1246]

England loves 74 Gear... The best around... #1

[@jss27560]

I like that you went to kind of a shorter discussion and more different incidents in the video. Sometimes you go a little long, but in your explanations. The other thing, with the last video it was shot with a very long telephoto lens so it compresses the distance between the two airplanes.

[@johnburgess2084]

In that 1st segment, it looked like, in addition to the hill before the start of the runway, the first part of the runway before the touchdown zone was also uphill. That perspective can really mess with your mind. I landed a C152 at an airport at which the runway was at the top of a bluff along the Columbia River (Columbia Gorge Regional Airport, RWY 31). I had to stay focused on the altimeter and the appearance of the runway instead of the water/ground in the foreground.

[@StephenKarl_Integral]

Yeah, I agree. Furthermore, the runway is relatively short for a 767, but okay, and someone else stated that airport is a maintanance facility for LATAM, not a commercial one, which would mean pilots are not used to land there often. All that combined means pilots get concerned about the landing distance, they would come in at the lower side of the safe landing speed (slower), putting the aircraft at an higher angle of attack; this is a special case where you must remember, as a pilot, that your vertical position at the front of the aircraft upon the thresshold flyover must be HIGHER than you usually do. If you forget the rest of the aircraft behind you is lower than you think, you will hit the ground much earlier than expected..!! Combined with an intent to land firm and on top of that on the piano bars...... And last, pure speculation here, but since you're usually facing the wind upon landing, the terrain just before the thresshold will LIKELY induce a downdraft (followed by a brutal gain in lift in the first couple hundred feet once above the runway). I believe that (opinion) all the above came at play on this specific case.

[@richard--s]

One airport that I know has it's runway also on a hill and not on flat ground - and they decided years ago that they level off the terrain up to some distance before the runway starts. They also diverted some local roads. I think, having the ground before the runway quite some feet deeper than the runway, makes the radar sensors to measure the hight above the ground level useless or less useful. You might get readings like "200, 150, 100, 10, 5" ;-) When the ground is on the height of the runway before the runway begins, the automatic height announcements are more consistent. Yes, there is the flight path and so on. There are indicator lamps next to the start of the runway, there is the ILS instrument in the cockpit, there are the eyes of the captain...

[@kimanjo]

About 25 years ago I was on a late night flight from BOS to MCO, and at the last minute of descent the pilot gave full throttle - surprising us all onboard - and up, up we went at a sharp angle. Pilot came over the PA and informed us there were some obstacles on the runway that needed to be cleared. He chuckled at the punchline: the obstacles was a herd of deer.

[@VisibilityFoggy]

Lol. Once when I was flying to Canada they didn't do a go-around, but flew in a pattern for little because a lone moose was hanging out on the runway and someone had to "convince" him to move.

[@ytzpilot]

Even Toronto International Airport has a herd of deer because on the western side of the property is a creek and forested area. They’ve had deer strikes in the past but it’s extremely rare

[@comicus01]

I knew someone who hit a deer when landing a Cessna in rural Delaware. Deer strikes are a thing!

[@ImmortalThor13]

MCO? surprised if it wasn't a gator or a few gators. 😂

[@stevebaumann8359]

The same thing happened on a late night flight I was on from ORD to MCO a little more than 30 years ago.

[@robertojames7904]

You're absolutely correct when you say that landing short will ruin your day; however, a silky smooth landing can be made without floating down the runway but it takes hard work. The key is a stabilized approach ON SPEED. As you no doubt know, the vast majority of airline pilots fly too fast and as you also know, this works out just fine since the safety margins are so large as you so eloquently point out in your video. In my airline, the pilot not flying was required to make an "airspeed" call when the guy flying let his airspeed deviate more than a certain amount. I'll bet for every one call I made for flying too slowly I made 30 or 40 for flying too fast. Everyone likes to make a nice landing, so they typically fly a bit fast, fly the last part of the approach "flat" as we would say in the Navy, and float down the runway searching for the ground in hopes of a smooth touch down. By the way, crossing the threshold 30 feet high will result in landing 700 feet too long, but crossing it at the correct height by on a glide slope only one degree more shallow than normal will result in landing 1000 feet too long, all to common in the business as pilots flying in good weather try a "duck under" maneuver on short final hoping for a smooth landing. As they hunt for the runway, their cross wind correction goes to Hell and frequently the touch down isn't smooth and or touch down is made drifting to one side or the other causing unnecessary side loads on the main gear. It also upsets the passengers, especially those in the cheap seats. Fishing around for the runway from an altitude of 10 or 20 feet frequently results in one of those embarrassing "kerplunk" landings. We've all suffered through plenty of those both in the cockpit and in the back. But in my 33 year career with a major U.S. carrier, my goal was to always be sure it was someone else flying. The answer is to work your ass off flying a stabilized approach on center line, on speed, and on glide path aiming for a touchdown at the earliest safe and legal point on the runway. That allowable touch down point may vary with a particular companies procedure, and depending on the runway, may or may not be clearly marked; so know the proper aim point. At just the right instant, you initiate your flare and reduce power to idle. Back pressure on the yoke/stick and power reduction must be input at exactly the correct time and just the correct rate. The result will be rounding out at an altitude inches above the runway with a rate of descent just short of zero, at idle power, and with airspeed decaying. At that point just hold what you've got and let God take 'er those last few inches. With a cross wind you must integrate the above mentioned movements with a transition from a crab to a slip using wing down into the wind and top rudder. Again this de-crab maneuver must be initiated at exactly the correct moment at just the correct rate. The result is that you will touch down with the fuselage aligned with the runway and at the same time your direction of travel will be exactly aligned with the runway, resulting in no excessive side load on the gear and no jostling of the passengers. The less time spent in the flare and de-crab phase will reduce the time for your landing to turn into a nightmare. The downside of waiting for the last possible instant to start the flare/de-crab maneuvers is that you've only got one shot at making it perfect. That's why you have work hard to be successful at it. Done correctly you will enjoy being able to use minimum braking, minimum reverse thrust, and still make an early turn-off, sometimes cutting five minutes off the gate-to-gate time. All this requires maximum effort for a few minutes but it's pretty much what a Naval Aviator goes through on every carrier landing. Not the de-crab part of course, but putting in the hard work and attention to small details especially regarding air speed and glide path control is absolutely mandatory if you want to live long enough to have grand kids. In the airline business, this level of concentration is completely unnecessary, but it's just about the only way an airline pilot can demonstrate his stick and rudder skills. Almost every other aspect of airline flying is down to good planning before take off and good flight management once airborne. But a good smooth landing at the beginning of the legal touch down zone without floating is where you can show off your piloting skills. And really, that's all it is............ showing off. As countless KZbin videos show, bad landings usually don't result in damage or injury. Your reward, especially as a First Officer, is that when you get to that early turn off and tell the Captain that he has the aircraft so he can taxi to the gate, you can give him your best steely eyed sideways glance out of the corner of your eye, holding it just of a fraction of a second longer than necessary; i.e. just long enough to let him know that you know he can't match your flying skill.

[@sam04019491]

And the award for the longest internet comment goest to…

[@Netties8266]

Are you writing a fucking book

[@Evan.01]

@@sam04019491Long but not bad. Even had a little chuckle at the end

[@stevenwoodward5923]

I'm wondering if Kelsey is doing a video about the off duty airline pilot, who went crazy, on board a flight, and was arrested.

[@LondonLite02]

I know almost nothing about planes so I appreciate his recognition that for us civilians, go arounds can be really scary, primarily because we don't know what happened and then imagine the worst. I was on a flight into Detroit many years ago that had to go around from what felt pretty close to landing and I was so shaken that I considered not getting on my connecting flight (and I'm a very experienced flyer.) Watching these videos reminds me of just how knowledgeable, experienced, and level headed pilots, crew, and ATC are.

[@SynMediaCanada]

Oh wow, ha ha, I was the visual effects compositor on that episode of Mayday/Air Crash Investigations you used clips from. Those were my shots. First job in the industry fresh out of college.

[@zuzusuperfly8363]

Oh my god, I was wondering why I wasn't seeing your content on my sub page. I binge watched your channel so hard that I didn't even realise I wasn't subscribed.

[@d4rk0v3]

I'm interested to hear you break down the "what could happen" with that pilot flying jump seat that tried to activate the engines fire suppression system. He is being charged with 83 counts of attempted murder.

[@sararaven]

Yes! That was a crazy story, I heard it on a different channel and immediately thought, I wonder if Kelsey is going to cover that?

[@ugiswrong]

Drugs, liberal policies on them as well

[@EdOeuna]

This is a reflection on pilots not understanding how to apply landing performance calculations. It is similar to that crew from an US carrier landing on the really short runway in EHAM. They believed landing on the numbers was a good idea, but ended up touching down in the grass before the start of the runway instead.

[@sadmermaid]

I'm interested in hiding mental health issues in the industry.

[@andyfpt]

Your facial expressions on the thumbnails are great!

[@dublkrossr2059]

Always dig your videos and I also watch Mentour. After the Military I should've taken flight school since Boeing gave big discounts for lessons. I did missile defense (EW3 1986-90) onboard my ship protecting just under 2000 fellow souls. So I was used to huge pressure to perform and honestly I liked the responsibility of being extremely precise. It wasn't flying but the attention to detail and situational awareness was dire to protect my Marines and Navy crew. A quick Happy holidays to you and my fellow Veterans out there. Persian Gulf 1987-88 LPH-7 Guadalcanal,,, Gator Navy lol

[@charlesrocks]

That was a very close landing, but still safe. Good job by the pilot.

[@BeeHash]

Good job?

[@jmax8692]

How? Justify that? Did you fucking listen at all to what Kelsey said?

[@leonfrancis5812]

Back in 1969, I heard of a 737 pilot for Avianca Airlines in Colombia who actually did rip the landing gear off one side when he touched down short of the runway. I was talking with a member of the repair crew that Boeing sent down to fix it, and he explained that while the plane skidded down the runway on the left engine, no one on board knew anything was wrong until the engine itself fell off and the wing smashed into the ground. Luckily, the impact crimped the fuel line shut so there was no leakage of fuel and no fire.

[@emfmuffin1153]

kelsey we need your reaction to the alaska airline pilot who tried to turn on engine fire suppression system mid flight

[@nobodycares85]

I have to say, I've always been something of a nervous flyer. Watching videos from 74gear and Mentor have made flying much easier for me. I recently was on a flight with some pretty hectic Turbulence. I've seen videos of worse than what we copped which was actually somewhat comforting because I know the plane can handle it just fine. With that said, I think that if we had not been told to put on our seat-belts, it wouldn't have been too surprising to see people come out of their seats a bit. Even bumpy landings are fine for me now

[@tetedur377]

After a rough landing, many years ago, on the way out, I told the pilot "you're an awesome pilot." He smiled, and then I hit him with "your landings need help, though." It took him a second to process, but he had a good laugh. Always try to leave people better than you found them.

[@djg5950]

Does anybody love this guy as much as I do ? I want him as my pilot on every flight that I take in the future. I remember some flights where the pilot braked hard but don't remember which airports or the conditions. Hearing him talk about reasons why it's done makes me wonder. I love flying, have never been in really rough conditions but have felt the plane "bounce" around and get buffeted by strong winds before. When we are about to enter areas of this type the seat belt sign comes on and the pilot tells you to remain seated so we are given a "heads up". Never have I panicked when any of these things have happened. For those that have a fear of flying I know his explanations should help with that. It's more risky to jump in your car and drive to work every day today than it is to fly anywhere.

[@janemiettinen5176]

I was a passenger on a bird strike, looked like a swarm of sparrows to me. One leg stuck on small girls (3, maybe 4yo) window, just in front of me, the whole back of the plane heard when she started to question her mom - “whats THAT, MOOOM?!”. Young dude sitting in front of her quickly took on, turned around and said it was just a stick. That he “saw” how it happened and it was just a stick the bird was taking to its nest. Most of us around were like, oh yeah, we saw it too, its deffo a stick. Luckily the leg fell off before the girl had time to take much better look.

[@DrWhom]

deffo? are you Australian?

[@janemiettinen5176]

@@DrWhom Not even close, Im a Finn.

[@DrWhom]

a Finn who likes aussie idioms@@janemiettinen5176

[@jessh5310]

the most memorable landing I had was at Caernavon airport. We flew along the runway until the last 300 yards and landed. There was a strong headwind and our biplane was slow, so much so we were making about 40mph ground speed. The aircraft was a Dehavilland Dragon Rapide.

[@vx5468]

Thank you as always for fantastic analyses, and your gift for explaining to us layfolk. An aside, I will not forget that tragic Asiana accident at SFO 😢.

[@dondash8921]

I was lucky enough to be in the jumpseat for a landing in Toronto. Following a 767 in, I could see & hear the orders. They landed, another 767 took off & we landed. It was soooo cool.

[@ulvesparker]

Good to see you again. Your videos have been off my feed for a while now. I thought you were taking a break or something. I watch a lot of Aircrash Investigations on TV. What struck me the other day is that on some incidents, like when a plane loses its vertical stabilizer, engine, or even the entire tail cone, the pilots don't seem to have a means of visualizing the damage and realize what has happened except through some annunciators and feedback from their controls. I know that on some airlines external belly camera views are available to passengers (something I enjoy btw). Would it be useful to see the external status of the aircraft? I wonder if a similar system like on each wing, dorsal fuselage, and making them manually pan-tilt might be useful, or are incidences too rare for it to be practical.

[@AndrewBrenner1]

Dispatcher "Revices" the call. That is the most creative way to avoid the "I before e" rule.

[@Ficon]

Can’t stop picturing Kelsey, with an Indian accent, going “aaahhh bird strike bird strike”

[@rogerrees9845]

Great video Kelsey... love it when when analyse video clips.... thank you.... Roger... Pembrokeshire UK

[@georgebooth2005]

Love your videos Kelsey! You explain the incident so eell and in layman's terms so we can fully understand what happened. 👍👍❤️🙂 george 😎🤿🦈🦑🇺🇸 TEXAS

[@austinfarley4971]

Kelsey, I'm used to seeing you have a straight face watching these videos, so your reaction there told me that was VERY VERY bad.

[@boristhebarbarian]

A few years ago a USAF C17 landed on the Petre O Knight airport (1.038m runway) instead of MacdDill AFB (3.481m runway) 5 miles further southwest. ( The runways are similarly lined up and fatigue due to the long flight from Europe so ''case of mistaken airport''). The C17 took of a short time later and made the trip to MacDill.

[@44R0Ndin]

That's the thing, the Boeing C17 Globemaster III is a military cargo aircraft, and is PURPOSE BUILT for minimizing the size of the runway needed for tactical reasons (if you can use a shorter runway you have more runways available, and in a warzone the long runways get bombed/cratered first). Airliner-based cargo jets like the subject of this video are not purpose-designed for that purpose, they're designed to work at commercial airports with commercial airport runways which tend to be longer and more reinforced than the "any strip in a storm" type of airport that the C-17 can be used at (IIRC the C-17 has a high-wing design specifically to keep the engines higher up off the ground to lower the risk of FOD-based engine damage due to landing on "dirt/gravel/otherwise unimproved" runways. The 737 in its ORIGINAL form with the low-bypass turbofans, only needed a "gravel/unimproved runway kit" (basically little metal shields to direct gravel flung by the landing gear to the sides and not into the engines or fuselage and flaps, along with a few other things) to allow use on those same sort of "unimproved" runways. That's why the 737's landing gear put it so high off the ground that later variants could easily shove larger bypass ratio turbofan engines under the wings, they sacrificed the rough-field performance in favor of higher overall fuel economy. The original 737 also had an integrated air-stair, an aux power unit, and all the ground service equipment connections were purposefully put within arm's reach without needing a ladder, such as the main refueling interface being low down on the fuselage, among other connections like ground power and ground HVAC.

[@litz13]

The entirety of Tampa Bay got to watch that show

[@robertheinkel6225]

@@44R0Ndin. The runway he landed on is designed for small prop jobs only. The aircraft had to stay on the runway, since it was too large for the taxiways. All the cargo and passengers were offloaded, and aircraft was defueled to minimum weight. It flew to MacDill that night after dark.

[@44R0Ndin]

@@robertheinkel6225 I'm aware of that, but the thing I was pointing out is that if a normal passenger airliner (such as a similarly sized 747) did that, it would have run off the end of the runway or been unable to take off even with no cargo no passengers and just the fuel needed to go to MacDill AFB.

[@andresayala1995]

That video remembered me of the plane accident in San Andres Island 13 years ago.

[@julzb7165]

Hi Kelsey, thanks for another well explained video

[@realGBx64]

there was once a German pilot I heard who told the ground control that he lost an engine, and when the controller asked if they want to declare an emergency, he said: "my engine's out, but no emergency" :D

[@MalsiiYT]

jeezzz that was a close one....

[@tritontransport]

With the amount of 747 using ANC we generally have some engines available somewhere. Might have to buy them from someone like UPS or Atlas but they’re here typically

[@Bill_N_ATX]

I guess it depends on whose 747 it is. Some folks own their engines, some folks lease them. Some folks just lease spares when their engines are out for maintenance so the aircraft isn’t stuck on the ground while an engine is overhauled or repaired.

[@ohheyitskevinc]

LATAMs procedure (based on the number of notifications I get on FR24) is to type 7700 a lot. I kid. I was actually on an AA 332 landing at LHR - we landed on the number 27. On one set of mains. The other set landed a bit further along, and then we bounced a few times. Fun times.

[@JollyGreen79]

Kelsey always looks so intense when he's watching these videos.

[@Volkl30]

LOL "Hey controller, put your snacks down". LOL I almost blew snot out of my nose when Kelsey made that comment!! LOL 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@BloeingBlog]

São Carlos(SDSC) from the 1st video is the MRO for LATAM's 767s, this flight probably was a test one and almost went wrong. São Carlos doesn't have any regular Flights, only general aviation and LATAM's Ferry and Test Flights, the airport is the home of the biggest aviation museum in Brazil, with a Connie, some Migs from Korean War, BF109, FW190, F4U, P47 and the only Airworth Supermarine Spitfire in South America.

[@robertheinkel6225]

We had one of our KC-135R aircraft, with the new CFM-56 engines, take off from the base in Panama, and strike a Turkey buzzard just as the aircraft rotated. It hit the #3 engine, and the 20 pound carcass was found on the runway. The engine showed no issues or vibration,and continued the flight to Grissom AFB Indiana. As it was taxing onto the parking spot, something was definitely wrong with the engine. The impact bent four of the fan blades back, ripping out the acoustical panels to make room. The engine was easily repaired.

[@danfruzzetti7604]

I think five feet lower and that airframe would've been totaled

[@possibear]

i just heard about a pilot who was on mushrooms (special kind) and nearly dropped the plane out the air after a "bad trip" lets say, would love to see you do a video on it, i think he flew for alaska airlines and was off duty.

[@Gwaycee]

Weird things happen in Alaska Airlines.

[@tropenband]

This guy was just sick of those endless flares and decided to aslo use the first 500 m of the runway. He knows that the touchdown zone begins at the threshold.

[@davearbogast2882]

Come on Kelsey, you know all part 121 from continental US to SE Asia are scheduled to Alaska and recalculate their fuel burn and cancel a landing in Alaska so the paying passengers don't freak out that their "Non-stop" has a stop for fuel...

[@maskscot]

I love your videos Kelsey! I'm hoping I can be in your shoes one day!

[@likeroehr3601]

Kelsey, my hypothesis for the first video is that they opted to land as close to the start of the numbers so that they could make the right turn into the terminal without having to do a U-Turn at the end of the runway.

[@altoclef6688]

Plausible. I have experienced the opposite, a long landing on a runway which I think was to reduce taxi time. Thing is that runway ended with no safety area, a downhill and then the sea, so if they had got less braking action than they expected, we had gone swimming. If they landed on the touch down zone, they would have had to taxi to the end, turn and taxi back half the runway.

[@RobsNeighbor]

Love the videos, thank you Kelsey!

[@Ancient128]

everyone talking about the bird strike of the second video but ignoring the plane nearly missed the giant dragonfly coming for it

[@tomr3422]

The first video - it looks like the pilots where low on snacks and didnt want to pass the terminal/apron access about mid run way and have to turn around and take the extra time- pretty common

[@th.luccio]

This airport is a maintenance center of this airline, São Carlos Airport isn’t a comercial flight airport, maybe this aircraft was fully load with stuff for maintenance center located there, or was going to perform the TBO on this 767.(Where what you said “absolutely necessary”)

[@DarthDainese]

I like how you say floating, and i look at the screen, no wonder you're floating, the runway goes up and down like a rough sea 😂

[@finncarlbomholtsrensen1188]

It's clear to see that at least one landing is on a not so flat area!

[@DebM88]

"this guy doesn't know how to fly, what are they doing up there?" haha I died 🤣

[@JuanAlvarezVideos]

Remember to balance the volume of the voice and the clips shown. It is uncomfortable to listen if the volume constantly fluctuates.

[@mikeelder6298]

There was a pilot land at Batesville Regional Airport Batesville Arkansas that overran the runway. He had been reprimanded for land at too high speeds prior to landing here. He ran into the lights and stopping right at the highway

[@cherylcarroll7916]

Another great video Kelsey. 74 Gear, keep the blue side up!

[@hendricstattmann3638]

Regarding the engine out scenario on a 4 holer: there is a video on YT showing an Airbus A340-300 from Swiss encountering an engine failure. Reaction of the crew: "Let's have a chocolate milk."

[@johndesaavedra1040]

I grew up with a bush strip in our back yard. It was 1,100 feet with a 200 foot displaced threshold due to trees at both ends.

[@ThisTruckingLife]

I love these videos sometimes I wish I would have taken on the roads in the Sky versus the roads on the ground😂🚛

[@GavinComer]

Another great Video, Always look forward to the Vids, From Cape Town SA

[@MasterCarguy44-pk2dq]

When in TO we always had 92% N1 pwr in 74-400 when 70% of mtow or more. 70% when lighter.

[@SirCarlosMusicBMI]

Thank you Kelsey for sharing another awesome video. I’m just wondering 💭 How often do the airlines change the tires on the big Jets?? Blessings, Carlos ✝️🙏❤️😊🇺🇸

[@Tisassasfras]

Is it me or does the title keep changing?

[@Bandey747]

Ypu and mentour uploaded at the same time!!love it❤😂

[@olemansailor6519]

Flying 4 engine turbo-props we had a pilot land short similar to the aircraft at the beginning of the video, except he struck a 14 inch concrete lip. It damaged #2 and 3 props and ripped the left main landing gear off of the plane. They went to an airport with a longer, wider runway and did a successful gear up landing in a foam blanket. The only injuries was the engineer had a heart attack during egress.

[@EuroYXX]

The last go around may have been triggered by the wake turbulence from the larger aircraft taking off. The wake coming off the wings may have hit the ground then off to the plane behind it triggering the roll to the right. Thoughts?

[@jaysmith1408]

I used to hear that pilots straight out of the navy are known for landing hard and short. If you land 1,000 feet down the runway, you are forty feet from the departure end of a Nimitz. And judging a crew for their landing is fair, since that’s generally just about all that is hand flown any more. Departure to 10,000, and the landing. Can’t judge on turbulence, the air is a variable. Runways don’t usually move, San Francisco and the Navy notwithstanding. Longer flights like the trans pacific flight ya mentioned, it’s possible to freight in an engine to, for example, Anchorage, and have it meet the aircraft.

[@johnpollard4158]

My response to a go around, "ooooo, a goaround!" My response to a lightning strike, "ooooo, COOL!" Some people are too uptight.

[@jonshaulis7531]

I was on a United flight landing at night in Pittsburgh. I remember looking out and thinking, "Those trees are REALLY close". All of a sudden we heard the engines go to full throttle, the runway came into view underneath and we touched down within the first 50 feet of the runway.

[@QuinnDIgnazio]

Hey you should do another mean comments reaction just watched one and it was great

[@madhura_rodrigues]

Hey can you do a video about the stripes on the pilot uniform? And why to wear it too ?

[@NicolaW72]

Thank you very much for the debrief!🙂

[@kayraro1933]

They listened to the flight voice recorder on the Latam flight, and the pilot was heard to say to the co-pilot, "Hold my beer and watch this."