Plane Misses Runway and Hits Helicopter

[@AFloridaSon]

Even though Kelsey doesn't usually pilot passenger planes, he's one of the best unofficial spokesmen that the industry has, at least for those of us with a fear of flying.

[@alexdasliebe5391]

Legit why I watch his channel

[@CoolioAlert]

Kelsey is great but so is MentourPilot

[@KinniMoo]

A plane ran off the runway, through a fence and hit a car. No one was hurt so it ended up an interesting picture and probably an interesting call with the car insurance

[@paulis7319]

As a retired pilot who's had some crash/emergency landings, I don't have a fear of flying, I have a fear of landing. 🤣

[@mbryson2899]

​​@AbductedbyAliens58"He just rambles on and repeats himself?" I haven't noticed that he just rambles on and repeats himself. I've been watching Kelsey's channel for a good long while now on account of the fact that airplanes, heck, even aviation in general, have interested me since I was a wee one, since before I even understood the Bernoulli Effect, so as far as I knew when I was very young aircraft were held up by magic because I was a kid, so it has been kind of fascinating, watching and enjoying all the videos he works so hard to make, especially because he also shares all kinds of interesting facts about the aviation industry, too. So whe you say he just rambles on and repeats himself, can you give us any examples of where and how he just rambles on and repeats himself, because that way we might see where he just rambles on and repeats himself. That way we can all get together and explain to him that he just rambles and repeats himself and maybe with our input he might recognize that he rambles on and repeats himself and he very well may stop just rambling on and repeating himself because a lot of content creators don't want to become known as channel hosts who just ramble on and repeat themselves, and a lot of them dont want to be or become hosts who just ramble on and repeat themselves because they take pride in their work and often take the experiences of their viewers into account when they're working hard to provide interesting, quality content to their viewers even though their viewers don't pay a dime to watch the videos they make. It's almost like a public service and/or a labor of love! 😁 tl/dr: Viewer makes vague complaint. I ask for clarification.

[@petedesalvo7398]

Not sure how many comments you see but you have helped me tremendously. I have a long time fear of flying so bad I wouldn’t fly at all. Watching your channel has alleviated the fear so much I was able to fly to Washington state from NC to visit my son and daughter in law. Your explanations of what planes do and why they do them and how safe it really is. I had no surprises on the flight as I remembered things you said at each point of my trip taxiing, takeoff, in flight, landing , braking etc. Thanks so much for what you do. PS Delta comfort is worth the extra money. Thanks for your professional insight

[@maryeckel9682]

Congratulations!

[@instant_mint]

This is great, well done! I hope Kelsey sees this too

[@agavictoria]

Same here. I owe Kelsey a big thank you.

[@glenturney4750]

It's not the flying that you should worry about, it's the landing, whether you roll down a runway, or bounce from a sudden impact of slamming into the earth. But if you trust your pilot and the aircraft and the pilot is qualified, you shouldn't have to worry. 😁

[@karenmahan6979]

I totally understand this! I also have to thank Kelsey. Because of watching his videos, my 50-years of absolute terror of flying is gone! You couldn't get me on a plane!! My husband always wanted to go to Europe...nope. There was no way! Two years ago I made my first flight in 30 years (without anxiety meds or alcohol-I don't drink). We flew to the UK from California. I did really well, considering the length and distance. I was pretty proud of myself but we had two great flights. I had been watching 74Gear since 2019. I just flew three weeks ago to DFW from GA without a care in the world; even my husband remarked how calm I was and how wonderful it was that we could go places now. Turbulence, Smurbulence! Thank you, Kelsey! You really changed my life!!! I wish you could see what you've done for us!

[@davidfarrow875]

The aircraft, a Twin Otter, belonged to Air Antilles and was on a flight from Point-a-Pitre on 23/08/2023. According to local accident reports, there were 7 people on board and 1 person was slightly hurt but treated on site and didn't need to go to hospital. The report said the plane veered onto the grass due to a nosewheel steering failure on landing, clipped a signpost, then turned sharp left into the parked helicopter. It is apparently still parked at the airport awaiting a decision on whether it's repairable. It is a 2019 built aircraft, so it probably is repairable if they can recover it to a workshop.

[@jetdoctr]

From firsthand witness. It's a 2018, the aircraft was recovered, disassembled, and is enroute back to Canada to be rebuilt.

[@davidfarrow875]

@@jetdoctr Thanks.

[@osd9933]

@@jetdoctrYes the plane remained parked for over two months and finally last week they disassembled it and got it out.

[@danielaramburo7648]

That will be a very expensive repair.

[@jetdoctr]

@@osd9933 correct. Were you watching the progress? Was a challenge to tune out the crowds and do the work

[@bennettt4404]

Great video. Reminds me of my long student XC flight. I landed at KMAE for fuel before returning to KFAT, and my right main blew upon touchdown. The panel was slanted to the right (weird feeling) and the plane was obviously pulling hard to the right as well. I immediately jumped on my left break in an attempt to match the drag induced by the blown right main, but my trajectory was still heading towards the side of the runway. I then went full deflection left rudder, and while that helped, I was still heading for disaster (the side of the runway was a slight drop into mushy greens). I then added FULL power to gain rudder authority, which straightened me out just enough as my forward momentum dropped off, ultimately coming to a stop about a foot before going off the runway. Within 30 seconds there were pilots driving out to assist from the hangers. It was really awesome to see the response of those who witnessed it on the ground. The aviation community looks out for one another... Oh by the way. You know the "rule of 3s?" Yeah. I experienced it that day. After the mechanic shop replaced my tire (my CFI knew them and got it handled), I proceeded to refuel as intended. The fuel pad was slightly skewed and not level, and I forgot to put my fuel selector on one tank, leaving it in the "both" tanks position. Needless to say I was still a bit flustered by the entire ordeal. Well, after measuring the tank and watching the gallons tick away patiently, halfway through the tank overfilled and I had 100LL all over the top of the wing. On me. Ugh. How embarrassing that was... THEN, on my t/o roll out of there, at 50kts just before rotation, I noticed a massive hawk coming from my 10 o'clock heading towards my 4 o'clock. I sat back, accepting what looked to be an imminent bird strike as fate, but remained on the runway and didn't rotate. I heard him graze the top of the fuselage as he went overhead. I can only imagine what would have happened had I not seen the hawk. I likely would have rotated right into him. It was quite the eventful long student XC flight 😂. I won't lie. I questioned my aeronautical desires that day ... But in the end, realized I handled the blow out remarkably well, and that my instincts in the moment saved the plane from further damage.

[@gregschaub9602]

When are you going to get the 4th stripe?

[@tdkeyes1]

As a student pilot I was practicing T&L with my CFI. On one landing I was on the brakes trying to make the first exit when suddenly the plane yawed about 45 degrees left towards the dirt. I knew instantly that I had a brake failure as the right pedal backpressure was lost. I immediately released the left brake and pushed full right rudder and announced brake failure, saving it just before reaching the runway edge. My CFI was pleased and gave me an attaboy.

[@pierre.l97133]

HI @74 Gear. I’m a private pilot at St Barthélémy based at the island. I want to clarify the first part as I landed there more than 600 times there (Even landed there yesterday). First for small airplanes only (C172 - PA28 single engine only). Normally you can land few meters after Charly exit no problem at all. It depends on your speed of course but you have way enough runway after touching down to slow down. In case of airplanes doesn’t want to touch down you can retract your flaps (you can see the C172 did it, that’s help to push the plane on the ground) I’m not a fan of this, but sometimes I do this when not confident (Piper flaps are manual hopefully). Blow off tire happen lot of times, there is a bunch of videos on KZbin that you can see with that kind of problems. Just check your tires before flying, but if it happen to you in st Barth, it’s kind of a normal thing on your pilot life 😅.

[@frankjones4550]

To land at st. Barts, don’t you need to get certified by a local instructor and do several landings with them before you can solo?

[@pierre.l97133]

@@frankjones4550 Yes 👍 StBarth need a special endorsement to land.

[@thierrygaillot1980]

Pretty sure it's a brake lock leading to a blown tire by friction in the C-172's case

[@ska042]

​@@thierrygaillot1980Yeah kind of looks like the pilot got spooked by the less than ideal landing up to then (first off center then floating along) and mashed the brakes too hard because he saw the end of the runway coming up, even though "normal" brake application would have been fine.

[@barbarachambers7974]

To me, this is the craziest airport I have seen. There are others.....

[@angelraburn4401]

Watching Kelsey’s face when something goes horribly wrong is awesome. 😂😂Always excited to see a new video. Thanks for making my day !! Stay safe Kelsey.

[@glenturney4750]

I'm thinking, those pilots in the 2nd video were disgruntled and they saw their bosses helicopter sitting there, so they thought, "WHY NOT?!" and used his helicopter as a brake to stop their airplane before quitting their jobs. 😁

[@angelraburn4401]

@@glenturney4750 😂😂😂 always a possibility

[@kerwynbrat5771]

Years ago I lived for a year down in the Caribbean. I remember one flight extremely well that went from Union Island to Argentina. We got on the flight and it had two long benches down each side rather than seats. We sat down and there were a couple goats, some chickens and other farm animals with their owners. We shrugged, no big. We took off and I looked out the window and noticed the engine cowling was being held on by wire. I looked closer and realized there was wire holding all kinds of parts on the plane. We made it and have some great pics of a plane we probably shouldn't have gotten on lol.

[@wessexdruid7598]

Union Island airfield used to be even shorter - and has a big hill at one end, just like this. The problem back then wasn't goats and cows on the aircraft - it was goats and cows on the runway... 🙂

[@Veldrusara]

Oh my weird... I mean... word. 😅

[@mrsnow61]

Nice “tall story” - amazing how that plane survived a 3K+ mile flight giving its condition and that it had range given that Union Island Airport runway is only 2.4kft long and only handles small prop planes 😂

[@nicktecky55]

@@mrsnow61 C'mon now, don't be mean.

[@freeculture]

@@mrsnow61 mentioning Argentina is pure nonsense, especially with farm animals. Argentina exports those, not the other way around. But this story would make sense for island hopping.

[@ChefBoyarDEEZ]

I really enjoy these videos. After watching enough of these videos, I feel confident that if I'm ever in a plane and there's an emergency situation, everything I have learned from this channel will allow me to know that eventually I will see a break down of it on this channel.

[@flyer617]

I had a brake lockup in my Bonanza which shut down a runway for a while. It happened after touching down and slowing to taxi speed and there was no skidding, and actually hardly used brakes at all as it was a long runway. I only began to notice loss of directional control when turning off on a taxiway but then with my starboard brake locked up I couldn't move. Operations had to come out with dollies and a tug, but the tug stalled and ended up stuck as well so they had to go find a FBO with a second tug. It was a comedy of problems. A supervisor came out and, noting no skid marks or flat tire and the one brake locked up solid, determined it to be purely a mechanical failure and I wasn't even charged for the towing. The problem turned out to be moisture contamination of the brake fluid which had frozen on that extremely cold night. Everyone was super nice to me and I gave all the guys who came out nice tips.

[@KC5CQW]

I’m so glad I found this channel! My dad was a 747-800 capt. with Atlas but he died a few years ago. We loved to talk flying and ham radio.

[@inspectorgadget8234]

As a Cessna pilot I can say we get tought to rev the engine for 5 to 10 sec after taxi and then shut it down by giving it full lean. By doing so you 'clean' the cylinders and spark plugs of all unused gas.

[@BrowithStoryCool]

The main reason we do that is for safety, to remove all gas from the cylinders so you don't park a Cessna full of fuel in its engine connected to a prop that could go live if bumped

[@agentnightmare6486]

Kelsey, I love you! You're a real treasure to aviation. Thanks for all that you do!

[@speedracer9132]

You can tell it IS the pilot revving the engine as you can see the propeller spin sync up differently with the camera shutter when it goes from idle to revved and back to idle again

[@shmelmafinga]

"the wing came off. That's obviously going to be a problem"... lol, love you, bro!

[@TheLiznz]

I love seeing your face when things are going pear shaped, thanks Kelsey.

[@DrDeuteron]

Pear shaped? Never heard it. Sounds areophobic.

[@TheLiznz]

@@DrDeuteron not at all acrophobic,, it means when things aren’t going straight, according to plan.

[@TheLiznz]

@@DrDeuteron I meant aerophobic

[@DrDeuteron]

@@TheLiznz no worries. Arephobic means fear of Martians, but I made it up. The shape of mars, defined by The Areoid, is 🍐 shaped in a big way.

[@David_P132]

Common expression.@@DrDeuteron

[@TJM-96]

Kelseys face is priceless in the second clip, even the traffic slowed down to see what just happened at 8:48

[@jbartlet827]

"The wing came off. That's obviously gonna be a problem." Best line EVER! Thanks for another great video!

[@unvergebeneid]

Every landing that you can walk away from is a good landing. Every landing that damages two aircraft is an expensive landing.

[@ztoob8898]

Yep, good 'n' expensive.

[@etrimbleable]

Love you narration of these two events, Kelsey. Always looking forward to seeing what's next, pal. In the meantime, KTBSU.

[@KantiDono]

My guess as to what happened to the first plane was that they got on the brakes as soon as they felt the plane touch down, about 0:42 you can hear a brake noise, but the right wheel is still floating because of the lean. So the left brake is starting to slow the plane down, but the right brake is fully locked because that wheel wasn't spinning yet. And the moment it finally touches down, around 0:45 it's just dragging static rubber along the pavement and turning it into white smoke.

[@mj-yp7gl]

Good point

[@jamskatelake]

They landed with too much sideward force and rolled the tire off the bead.

[@ColinWatters]

Looks like it ends up flat.

[@dominickpastore]

Or they may not have realized the right wheel wasn't down yet, and were trying to compensate for the lack of braking on the right by applying it harder

[@Tezzzaaa]

Do they not have some sort of ABS?

[@HyenaEmpyema]

"If you dont like the way I land my plane, stay off the helipad!"

[@snapmalloy5556]

😂😂

[@dethray1000]

kinda like if you don't like the way i drive stay off the sidewalk!

[@GeoffreyKnauth]

Small correction. Airport was there before 1984. I did landings with my instructor there multiple times in the late 1970s and early 1980s before 1984. Thanks for the memories!

[@charlottelanvin7095]

"the wing came off, that's obviously going to be a problem" 😅 keep up the good work K!

[@stoffls]

"the wing came off - that's obviously gonna be a problem" - Thank you Kelsey for this quote!

[@bxb590]

Duct tape fixes everything.

[@bmacd2112]

Seeing that you're about to smack into a Helicopter, is definitely a "Code Brown" moment!

[@happysprollie]

I flew a Grumman AA-5 for a while. That type doesn't have nosewheel steering - you need to use differential braking. One time, halfway to the runway, one brake failed, partially locking up. I could still taxi, but could only make left-hand turns. It made taxiing back interesting.

[@jamesengland7461]

You wound up doing donuts 😂

[@climaximus7699]

Whatever happened to "Coming Up" lol. That was classic stuff. I still enjoy your videos. Keep up the great work

[@2727Scooby]

Hi Kelsey, I saw you in Hong Kong airport yesterday and didn't want to bother you after a long flight. Welcome, and love the videos!

[@bucktown6100]

im extremely scared of flying, and i got thalassophobia and megalohydrothalassophobia, its embarassing, but this prevents me a lot from going places as you can imagine, but 74's videos are helping a lot, words coming from an actual pilot, who has experienced a lot, it truly does give you a sense of comfort, but then you have moments like this incident, we dont know exactly what happened but there could have been civilians on this plane landing somewhere and crashed into a damn helicopter somehow which adds to it, now, this is not a common thing but still, details matter in aviation.

[@RealJ8]

What could've happened with the twin Otter is the tiller being off centre (by a lot) to the left. It would've touched on the mains with no issues, but as soon as the nose came down that nose wheel would've put it on a trajectory for disaster. The nose tiller is not spring loaded so wherever you leave it last is where the wheel will stay pointing. Edit: fixed typos

[@hinamancan]

This is similar to incidents/accidents that have happened many many times in the past. Just check any of the accident data bases for DHC6 runway excursions. The nosewheel comes out of the centered position (where it is supposed to be mechanically locked) for some reason. Once a nosewheel that is not centered, makes contact with the runway, the excursion is almost impossible to overcome.

[@jursamaj]

There is another comment here saying the accident report cites a nosewheel steering failure on landing.

[@cecielhelder5923]

That’s the most likely reason. They had a few examples of that at flight safety. Part of the before landing checklist.

[@aymerick_]

This is exactly what happened .

[@calummacfarlane8476]

If I remember correctly there’s a cantering lug it sits in when the oleo is extended. We would check the tiller is straight during pre landing checks. I once flew an aircraft that consistently pulled left. It turned out a hydraulic non return valve was faulty and was causing the gradual left input to develop between the tiller check and landing. The big thing with the Twin Otter normally is the weather cocking but that would have turned it the other way. I think the crosswind limit is around 25-27 knots and into wind aileron was vital above about 15 knots. The rudder was not enough.

[@Sirikiller]

Those pilots really didnt like that helicopter

[@soupafi]

I wonder if helicopter pilots and fixed wing pilots have a grudge that we all don't know about

[@SugaryPhoenixxx]

I see the opposite. They obviously really love that helicopter & they wanted a better look at it.

[@timothyrowland2050]

Another great video, Kelsey!!

[@debrabaker1009]

Oh my gosh, your expressions are the best❤

[@corporalcaine287]

“The wing came off that’s obviously going to be a problem”

[@JennaGetsCreative]

I was just going to comment this! lol.

[@n1gak]

That'll buff out, no problem.

[@davidp2888]

Wouldn't be a good Sunday morning without Kelsey.

[@mikethompson7290]

I read somewhere that you are getting or have received a forth stripe, Capitan Kelsey sounds great

[@dondraper3871]

8:45 🤣The banner at the top of the video reading "the Turmoil Pass" as the location while the plane hits the helicopter. The pilots must have appreciated the foreshadowing... 🤪

[@curtisbogue3707]

I learn so much from your videos!

[@jamesbizs]

Lol what did you learn . Go on. Tell us

[@Nickrulz4u]

​@@jamesbizswhy do you care?

[@philpaige9770]

I have been a passenger flying in and out of St Barts a half dozen times and it was wonderful. Standing at the top of the hill at the rotary was fun watching how close the planes came in overhead. The best fun though was driving on the roller coaster narrow roads around the island.

[@jmagner]

Another great video! It sometimes seems like it takes forever for Sunday to get here each week so I can get another 74 Gear video. Anyway, as a younger pilot, I would have dreamed to take a shot at flying into St. Barts, but now, I'm older and I know better. BUT, you US based pilots can get a similar (although not as carzy dangerous) experience if you want to fly in low over a beach and drop it down over a sand dune onto a short runway: Montauk (KMTP) is a thrill to fly into and, afterwards, you go get a great seafood lunch a short walk up the road. Nothing like kids on the beach waving at you as you swoop by 30 feet over their heads.

[@Kjtravels40]

Good morning! Great video Kelsey! I’ll be headed down to the Caribbean in a few weeks! Looking forward to my free breakfast and snacks 😉

[@leninmercedes6567]

Love all your videos

[@jefflynch3946]

Another great video explanation. Thanks Kelsey you da best

[@PascalGUMBS]

Kelsey, since i born ,i'm leaving in ST Barths,I'm 62. This airport was created by Free French pilots fighting for the RAF;Today it is an attraction for many who do not always have the expertise and the experience. For the twin Otter, the company was bankrupt and it was not the best pilot who were in command. In youtube check "Aviation dans la Caraïbes" for the historic of aviation in ST Barths

[@lyndylou752]

Thanks Kelsey love the topics you cover❤

[@pv2870]

"the wing came off, that's obviously going to be a problem." 100% Kelsey.

[@tsbrownie]

Regarding the Cessna, wheel pants will grab a blown tire. There's not much clearance inside between pant wall and tire and when the tire gets low, it gets fat. It's one reason many owners remove the pants.

[@taloowa5800]

The St Barts pilot did gun it. The prop definitely was spun up. Love yer videos!

[@Wireball]

After 12:40, something about the way Kelsey says "the wing came off" really got me :)

[@CaptainLe0]

love your vids!

[@MikeOhhMinerals]

Caribbean relaxed attitude, pretty common. An AMT friend is from Grand Cayman, the most chill person you’d ever meet. Great video of these short runways Kelsey!

[@jetdoctr]

Always cool to see a video about a project we just wrapped up. The aircraft is now enroute back to canada for repair. Your analysis is interesting, but i think the final report will supprise many.

[@tridium-go6hw]

Do tell...

[@jetdoctr]

@@tridium-go6hw in sorry, you will have to wait for the official report to come out

[@melodicdeathgrl]

Any idea when the report will be available?

[@leighmorrison4362]

"this plane, the wing came off - that's obviously going to be a problem." Kelsey, king of understatement. Also understated: the probably totaled helicopter.

[@maryeckel9682]

That engine gunning is the same impulse that digs a car deeper in the mud/snow and gets it good and stuck. Pilot probably has a new nickname.

[@jneill]

Loving your facial expressions! :)

[@Mike_294]

One thing that may very well have contributed to the blown tire on the C172 is the lack of left rudder that was clearly needed before touchdown. The plane is basically pointing at the cameraman when it touches down, and I can't imagine that such an amount of side loading is good for the tires. Crosswind correction would've called for left rudder and right aileron to keep the airplane aligned with the runway, but also over the centerline. Might've saved the tire. The wind sock is not that indicative of what the winds around the whole airport might've been doing; especially over the hill right before the plane crossed the threshold. As you mentioned, the airport is surrounded by mountains. Winds tend to bounce off of those mountains and fly all over the place. The winds might've been relatively calm at the surface near the beach, but they could've been very different just a couple hundred feet above and at the approach end of the runway.

[@mburns5766]

Hi! Solar radiation here. I enjoy you so much. A normal kid turned celebrity-you make your mama proud.

[@blackknight1013]

You know you're having a bad day when you slew off a runway, but at least that is as bad as it's going … oh, then again.

[@iknklst]

"...this plane, the wing came off, that's obviously going to be a problem." *me, scribbling into a notebook, 'Wing coming off is a problem''*

[@RMSTitanicWSL]

😂😂🤣🤣

[@Tina-ds3pp]

"The wing came off and obviously that's going to be a problem!" I'm dying laughing OMG!😂

[@HiddenWindshield]

I've had a flat in a Cessna 172. It isn't possible to tow a 172 that has wheel pants* with a flat tire (at least, not without damaging the plane). The deflated tire gets stuck between the pant and the rim, causing the whole wheel to lock up. The FBO had to send out a mechanic to take off the pant to free the tire so that it could be towed. Considering this happened at around 10:00pm, it took quite a while to get that plane off the taxiway. * The aerodynamic farings that go over the tire.

[@tasercs]

"This plane... the wing came off - that's obviously going to be a problem". I love that kind of humour... in fact, I'm still laughing.

[@alexeibobyrev2250]

I had a similar flat tire situation on touchdown flying same model C172. The tire was old and it was its time to go. At first, when the plane started pulling right I just concentrated on staying on the runway and not flipping over. And when I finally stopped I did exactly what the pilot in the video did: put power to move away. Of course the plane remained motionless. Only after that I opened up the passenger door and looked at the right wheel. I saw that the tire was flat. Called atc, and the airport team moved the plane to the hangar. There was no damage, just a fat bill for towing the plane. Was flying with a new tire in a couple of days.

[@Trainfan1055Janathan]

"Easiest 45 minutes of my life." It's like that when driving a bus, too. If there's a breakdown, you just sit back and relax and wait for maintenance, while still getting paid. One difference is that you'll get several passengers yelling at you for not moving.

[@billbeyatte]

Great commentary

[@Orcinus1967]

Love the understatement "This plane the wing came off, that's obviously going to be a problem." LOL

[@cleverusername6233]

Keep these coming Kelsey!

[@NonEuclideanTacoCannon]

I've done St. Barts a bunch in MSFS, it's a beautiful flight.

[@garymccann2960]

Many years ago, I landed my super swift at a Wichita airport in front of a thunderstorm. A little low on fuel, I could see the cross wind was way too high. So I landed on a taxi way directly into the wind. And spent the next 15 min flying the airplane on the ground. Needing 15 to 1800 RPM to hold position.

[@Cersilaria22]

I’m TERRIFIED of flying and I recently found this channel & mentour pilots channel which REALLY REALLY made me feel better if I ever decided to fly…..The thing is I trust the pilots & I know they will do absolutely anything and everything to save their aircraft if problems arise…..The thing I DEFINITELY DONT trust is mechanical issues, things falling off from wear and tear or someone accidentally covering up an extremely important sensor which then crashes the plane ✈️ that’s probably why I’ll never ever fly but give these pilots their due they are super impressive in what they do ❤❤❤❤❤

[@valleyjaye]

Your eyes are righteously green in this vid Kelsey 🤩 I even put it on my TV to check the color against my phone 🍀 and they’re even brighter… just like the ocean around St Barts. I literally had to keep rewinding the content to keep up 🫠 It’s usually your big brain that distracts me, but not this time 🙈

[@idrvplanes]

So i was watching your video at breakfast (free BTW) before our flight in the hotel with my coworker, when he remarked I hope we are never in one of his videos. We both nervously LOL’d and I quickly switched to Squirrel videos. Anyway love your Videos.

[@manupbritain5232]

"The wing came off, that's obviously going to be a problem". This is why I come to the experts for info 😂

[@eaglescout1984]

Kinks worked out or not, St. Bart's is notorious for its "unique" runway. It always makes those "top 10 scarriest places to land" list, usually at #1.

[@inspectorgadget8234]

My favourite show on Sunday!

[@herrpausr7008]

9:03 The plane is smiling! 😂

[@suegardner]

Isn't it cute?

[@herrpausr7008]

@@suegardner it liked its own landing. 😜

[@HazyJ28]

"Keep the blue side up" *STALL STALL STALL* God Damnit Kelsey

[@adriankalitka3762]

As a New Yorker, I can understand why the people of St. Barts didn't really care but probably for different reasons. I know that I'd look briefly but then get the hell out of there before traffic gets to a complete stop and then take me 5 hours to move 1 mile

[@Jigsaw407]

Also, what's the point of staying and rubbernecking? The plane and the helicopter will still lie there in the same positions in 5 minutes as they do now. Plus there are the barrier and the fence obstructing the view anyway.

[@koketso_dithipe]

08:47 the look on your face killed me. 😂

[@captAdam66]

Apparently the nose wheel was not aligned straight when they landed....there is a check TwinOtter pilots are supposed to do to make sure it's centered after takeoff using the checklist...maybe it was not done who knows. So on landing St Barths the aircraft immediately pulled left once the nosewheel was lowered. There are pictures showing it was pointed left before touchdown.

[@ibluap]

About the crash between the Twin Otter and the helicopter, I attempted to understand what could have happened... I went to Microsoft Flight simulator and I took a Twin Otter and I tried a landing from the East. The only way to get a stable approach from the East from a decent distance to maneouvre without looking Bob Hoover for such a mid sized bird and half-loaded, is "gliding down" a hill raising aboult some 300 ft. that closes that entrance. That adds a lot of speed to the plane and requirea a lot of work. You have to manage very well your flaps and throttles, your brakes and your reverses to make a good landing and have Eolous by your side... or in better words, ahead of you. I learnt in that overload of work, a mislead gust of crosswind can really ruin your day! I never thought it would be such a difficult landing for a docile Twin Otter, but it is. I used to land in St. Barts in my simulator, but always from the West; never from the East. I believed from the West it was much harder, but curiously, for something a bit heavier like a Twin Otter, it was much harder from the East!

[@ralfbaechle]

At my flight school for a while there was an exhibit of a a C172 tyre which was flat on the one side after the pilot had opted to slam the brakes on touchdown. The tyre had a sticky note saying "Self-choking tyre" 🙂

[@_purge9488]

For the Saint Barts scenario, with the wind sock being nearly lifeless, would it make more sense to land in the opposite direction, so you could land with an incline instead of downhill? I guess the wind could’ve been gusting stronger above the runway if there’s natural barriers (hills/mountains), or natural barrier preventing an approach from the other direction.

[@fantabuloussnuffaluffagus]

The problem with landing uphill at St Barts is that you will have a big hill at the far end of the runway that you won't have the performance to get over, then if you don't make the landing you smack the hill.

[@DutchBlackMantha]

@@fantabuloussnuffaluffagus Makes sense. If you come from uphill and you go too fast or too far you can still do a go-around, like this pilot probably should have done. It's much easier to have a good landing when you come from the sea, but then if something goes wrong you have no options.

[@Hartbreak1]

For the uphill landing you have to do a quite sharp turn to final that is close to the runway if you come from the left or the right (you can’t approach straight on) so it’s also a challenging approach. If you add the lack of go around capability you now know why the preferred ops are from the hill side. There’s a few videos where you can the pilots point of view for landing on runway 28.

[@_purge9488]

Ah, thanks for the info. My logic was coming from selecting emergency landing sites, where if you don’t have a flat surface, an incline surface is the next desirable option. I’m only at like 15 hours, and I’m unfamiliar with St Barts 😅

[@osd9933]

@@fantabuloussnuffaluffagus Pilots need to be trained and certified to land in St. Barts. Landing in runway 28 is not uncommon but it depends on the wind. Taking off on runway 28 is too risky because of the hill. It’s runway 10 for takeoffs and most landings.

[@txworshipleader]

I greased a landing coming into Memphis, but the left main blew after touchdown. (Couldn’t see the bald patch on the tire during pre-flight because of the skirts on the 172 I was flying as a student). My instructor told me to “get off the brakes” when the plane started listing to the left, but I hadn’t touched the brakes yet. Shut down the main runway used by FedEx and the TNANG for about 30 minutes while we waited on a tow. Based on my experience in this very similar situation in the video, I doubt brakes had to do anything with it - when mine went, I never touched the brakes until we were at the left edge of asphalt and nearly stopped already.

[@ThatSB]

That cessna pilot was actually looking pretty good. He corrected by 45 degrees and crabbed all at once in one motion perfect centerline. And You can tell its got crosswind.

[@kaimetodd]

On a lot of smaller planes the front wheel is *not* steerable by any mechanical means. It is a castering wheel - a lot like a shopping cart. You steer your plane on the ground by means of differential braking.

[@caverpilot]

true, but the front wheel on this Cessna 172 is connected to the rudder pedals; quite easily steerable.

[@ashleighsteaparty268]

Next time I have a bad day at the office I’m going to remember that second clip…

[@Critical-Thinker895]

A St Bart's forum said he was landing over the beach and was wide left of the runway. They also mentioned that the pilot reported problems with the braking system. They were also saying they thought he landed on grass.

[@bridgetstoli2347]

The approach is easier since they replaced the stop sign with a roundabout at the top of the hill.

[@AFNacapella]

the second one looks a bit like they lined up with the road next to the runway, caught their mistake late and then had problems managing the aircraft in a go-around with low energy, slight tail wind component and rising terrain. I'd love to hear the cockpit voice recorder for this one

[@charlierichardson613]

I thought the same thing. The aircraft wasn't making a sharp left turn when it impacted the helicopter.

[@osd9933]

It was a mechanical failure of the nose wheel steering.

[@pierre.l97133]

@74 gear - second part of the video TWIN OTTER - First of all it’s important to clarify why in St Barth we choose runaway 10 (hill) or 28 (sea). I’ll not getting on details but to do it simple wind from the east above 10kt you land on 10. Bellow 10kt or at any over 40° from 100° you land on 28. From example wind 60° 15kt I do land on RW 10. Wind 50° 20kt I do land RW28. Wind 100° 9kt I land on 28 😅. Now you’re right about the overspeed of twin otter landing. It’s not really abdnormal,but when we arrived right base 28 you have to get rid of an other hill upon that request us another dive to get slope and at the same moment turn tight to get the runaway, after Eden rock there is no Go Around! When you land 28 right base, you come from the sea so no hill : you can get your right slope. But there is a picture, from people on the beach, that can’t be found on internet. NOSE WHEEL WAS TITLED ON THE RIGHT BEFORE LANDING ! Two explanation to this : - Trouble on nose wheel before landing (you can check on KZbin there is a video taken two days eek before the crash showing pilots getting troubles with that…) - 2nd point. In TWIN OTTER Nose wheel is not pair with the rudder (with the pedals as other planes) instead you have a kind of other yokes somewhere in the cockpits. Did this control was check before landing ?….

[@ryanfrisby7389]

Great video!😸

[@larryvrooman4672]

When you look at the start of the landing as they touch down you can see they have full flap. However, they immediately bring the flaps up. When you apply brake with full flaps just after touchdown in a Cessna 172 (or even more so in the low wing PA-28) there is very little weight on the tires and it’s very easy for the brake to lock. If the flaps are retracted, it quickly puts much more weight on the tires and with the brake locked it will quickly grind through the tire (note the white smoke) and cause a flat. The take away here is be very careful when applying brakes with full flap in light general aviation aircraft, until the aircraft has slowed enough to put sufficient weight on the main gear. If you are going to retract the flaps during the landing roll (controversial and not FAA recommended) to improve braking, do not apply the brakes until the flaps have been retracted.

[@keirra5096]

Wow this video is the craziest one I’ve seen on your channel Kelsey.😊

[@antoniog9814]

8:45 Lucy, you have some 'splainin to do.

[@MattyCrayon]

The Cessna pilot also retracted flaps just after touchdown, while stomping on the brakes. Clean up after you've stopped. With a runway that short. I'd want all the drag I could get.

[@danpeterson8040]

SEEMS TO ME KELSEY, THAT IT BE REQUIRED THAT EVERY PILOT FLYING INTO ST. BARTS, NEEDS TO BE TOLD, YOU WILL NEED TO SIDE SLIP YOUR PLANE TO SAFELY LAND. ONLY EXPERIENCED SIDE SLIP PILOTS ALLOWED.

[@jimsteinway695]

Maybe Harrison Ford was flying the otter and landed on the taxiway

[@AviationJeremy]

Speaking of bumps on runways, I’ve got a story. I was practicing crosswind landings at KCCR. I put it down right on the numbers on 19L, but I had a little too much airspeed, so I had a slight bounce. No big deal, right? 14L, which intersects 19L just after the numbers, is raised slightly above 19L, and the slope acted like a ski jump, kicked my nose up, and launched me up about 10 feet at a high AOA, bleeding off a bunch of my airspeed. I lowered my nose a bit (but couldn’t bring it down much otherwise my rate of descent would have been way too high) and gave it full throttle for a go-around, and came down hard before I could get any significant speed back. I still had plenty of runway left, so I ended up chopping the throttle and rolling out to the end. No damage, but it scared the $#1+ out of me for about 2 or 3 seconds.

[@thevirtualcockpit5001]

The Twin Otter approach looks low, but at this distance it's hard to tell. Looking closely, it appears that the nose wheel may have clipped the slight berm at runway 28, or at least touched down hard before the mains. That would explain a steering problem or failure. These guys are super good at getting the wheels on the ground quick at St. Barts, but I've seen a ton of video where they are pushing the nose down, rather than burning off the energy in a longer float. Once you reverse the props on the Twin Otter, it comes to a stop pretty darn quick.