7812 struggles on the climb from Keighley, 11/10/13

Our day was over, camera in bag & on train back to Oxenhope. Then, slow progress, am I missing something? Camera out & to nearest window, and a long struggle to get away from Keighley. 7812 is one of the visiting locos from the SVR at the KWVR Autumn Steam Spectacular.

[@MarshSteamVideosTM]

That was certainly a struggle and a half ! But sounded great once it got going. Great capture and thanks for sharing. Regards, Liam

[@14thStreetProductions]

I know this video is almost 4 years old but it still blows my mind hearing this sound. amazing.

[@SharposWorld]

Thanks Austin, just lucky for me to be there, get a window, and not have a flat battery or full memory card, if you know what I mean!!

[@kellyashfordtrains2642]

I'm a GWR fan and I love Erlestoke Manor. I loved this video so much, I copied it on to my channel. You know I would never steal it from you.

[@kellyashfordtrains2642]

@@Northerner_Transport_Hub I was running out of video ideas. If you love something you can ask to copy it. Sharpo has let me copy two of his newer videos. He understands I would never have "stolen" this video here. I only copied part of it. So please let's let this pass. Sharpo and I are KZbin friends.😉

[@SharposWorld]

Thanks. Just happened to be in the right place at the right time. Wish I could get some more like that!

[@vikingsmb]

love the bark of gwr locos

[@SharposWorld]

Have to agree with you on that!!

[@pjd7325]

The moaning you can hear is steam by passing the valves, the squeaking is dragging brakes. 7812 did seam to get into her stride once the ejector had been opened!

[@Jack_On_Track]

I know what its like to get into a slippy situation. Credit to the driver, its not the easiest thing to do!

[@jppicur]

The combination of grade and sharp curve when starting can wreak havoc on greasy rail. I don't think that was the sound of brakes -- it sounds to me more like flanges grinding on the curve. That driver knew his stuff and got her going. Notice how she picked up as the train straightened out.Love the echo from the nearby buildings. This is a classic video.

[@SharposWorld]

+jpp452 Thanks, I was pleased to be able to film it.

[@mattseymour8637]

Funnily enough she did get a better grip when on the straight!

[@railfreightdrivergallagherGBRf]

Also those rails emanate from pre K&WVR days are were well worn. Doesn't help.

[@mattyrallye]

superb getaway!!

[@harrymcandrew1447]

love the funnel barking from the engine

[@northotagogolf]

I remember "copping" that Manor class engine 60 plus years ago!

[@SharposWorld]

Let's see, I lived at Idle 60 years ago, can still remember the numbers of locos that ran on that line but don't think any were preserved.

[@robinfryer479]

It sounds like dragging brakes or flanges... the Loco is steaming well. I also wonder whether malicious people smear oil on the rail heads, too.

[@michaeljohn7262]

It's GWR so not used to proper gradients lol. Joking aside, a nice noise from the loco but using sand for adhesion may help.

[@devon896]

More like bad drivers.

[@nigelterry9299]

On it! This was The Year of Rotten Coal, IIRC.....

[@twaters4827]

Don't care what no one says....nothing in this world like a steam locomotive!!!

[@SharposWorld]

Agreed!!

[@stestepney]

Nice one mate got there in the end cheers Steve ..

[@SharposWorld]

Thanks Steve, yes, that was back in the day when I tried a bit of filming with a DSLR camera (before my first camcorder) and looking back I always think how much better it could've been with the camcorder I use now and if I'd started filming when the train first started. It's still interesting to watch though.....

[@stestepney]

@@SharposWorld Still good stuff

[@jimmyowl1992]

It had just rained and greased the tracks up which was part of the problem.

[@LuckyTrucker1]

I was surprised the Manor was having that much difficulty . Flying Scotsman had difficulty on one of WS Railway's banks and was rescued by a Manor , romped away it , 4-6-0 don't normaly have problems with traction . The driver dealt with it well in the end .

[@SharposWorld]

I never knew the real answer to the problem, may have been dragging brakes or slippery rails - but it made it in the end.

[@mattseymour8637]

Not like Scotsman to struggle. Could have been adhesion that time

[@collinblack8474]

Sounded like he was dragging brakes? Plus they take off better in full forward gear.

[@SharposWorld]

6, it was the same set it hauled without a problem in the other video I uploaded of 7812 (not the local set of 4 when banked by 4160)

[@kellyashfordtrains2642]

It can be a real struggle for a not-so-powerful Manor engine to chuff out of the first station, if the incline is on the steep side. "I'll get up this hill, if it's the last thing I do." Erlestoke Manor took her time, determined to get somewhere. The hill, on a curve, caused her to stall about four times. She refused to let the incline beat her, and at last hauled her train away without slipping. Good on you, Erlestoke Manor. Don't let the steep-hill bugs bite.

[@trainfan-cd6nk]

SharposWorld, this indevidual is stealing yourcontent and not credditing you as the original source.

[@collinblack_60103-]

Dragging brakes will make any locomotive struggle. Was this a vacuum or Westinghouse braked train?

[@kellyashfordtrains2642]

This is the video I copied part of, only because I was running out of video ideas for my own channel way back when. I do hope you will forgive me for not asking you first, it's just that I love the video so much, I felt I had to capture this wonderfully frustrating Erlestoke Manor Moment.😂

[@SharposWorld]

I was lucky with that, was on my way home at the end of my visit - good job camera battery hadn't gone flat & still room on memory card.

[@MarshSteamVideosTM]

What was the load ? Carriages ?

[@JohnPW22]

Epic!

[@SharposWorld]

Thanks, obviously my lucky day - being by a window and the battery on my SLR not flat & still some space on the memory card.

[@TheSilvanElf]

Hmmmmm, definitely sounds like some moaning from the brakes at points there.

[@ddpeak1]

Good echo

[@SharposWorld]

Thanks Dean. That was one of my very early videos with an SLR camera, could have been so much better with modern equipment. I was lucky to be able to film it though, still with some space on the memory card & battery not flat!!!

[@ddpeak1]

Well well done and it’s Mr Dean to you.😁

[@SharposWorld]

So sorry Sir..........................

[@ddpeak1]

@@SharposWorld not Sir , Mr.

[@davidellis279]

The driver had it going quite well until he gave it that bit too much throttle but he managed it in the end, it's not always the Locomotives fault for slipping, if the driver is a bit over enthusiastic with the regulator and tries to accelerate to quickly it can happen quite easily.

[@mattseymour8637]

Is that out of keighly?

[@SharposWorld]

yes - kwvr.co.uk/trains-and-the-railway/branch-profile/

[@6robertdavey]

It sounds as though the brakes MIGHT be dragging at one point.

[@mattseymour8637]

Blimey she not liking that climb. The manors seem to struggle with steap climbs and particularly on NYMR. What gradient is it out of keighly?

[@SharposWorld]

I think it is 1 in 56 on the steepest part

[@denisenorris7399]

Not the trains fault..the train operator is a bit lacking in experience.

[@adriannorris1486]

That’s right, blame the driver, an easy target! Visiting the KWVR in the early days (1960?) the MSC tank slipped to a standstill at the same point.

[@martinwilson9023]

The Manors worked on the Cambrian lines with plenty of curves and Talaerddig bank. Both times l have travelled out of Keighley the effort and slipping was identical. Standard 4 tank recently and Ivatt 2 tank in 1971. Both recorded but only one with video!

[@mattseymour8637]

@@martinwilson9023 That is a fair point but I have seen Manors struggle with other gradient's on other railway's too a fair bit but it all depends on various conditions like track adhesion, track conditions, loco crew and how the loco is performing on the day from my experience

[@frenchsteam7356]

WR used to run with 24inch vacuum -rest of BR was 21inch Could this have been a problem?

[@JoshSmith-df6ne]

French Steam it's 25 inches of vacuum which is used by gwr and no it doesn't as you have to pull the strings on the brake cylinders on the carriages if a non gwr loco is using them next vice versa

[@mattseymour8637]

Thought it was 25inch not 24 for GWR

[@davidhoulder56]

That curved climb from a standing start is a pig! 34053 didn’t like it either.

[@jma7930]

Well i volenteer on the svr and as we all know it also has a steep start from Bridgnorth and i have never heard her like this before, to me it sounds more like a bad driver and also brakes to be honist

[@mattyrallye]

jma7930 if you are referring to that wheezing / whining sound that is a classic GWR trait

[@jma7930]

no i know exactly what causes that, im on about the way the driver keeps forgeting to open the ejector so the brakes dont come off properly, meaning he stalls out on the bank

[@red110tdi]

jma7930 a lot of the engines do the same setting off from Keighley station, it's a bad gradient and tight curve

[@mattseymour8637]

The manors seem OK on the SVR when I went too. What gradients are on SVR?

[@geoffreyblack5982]

Listen. It's dragging the brakes. Or this person doesn't know how to drive.

[@SharposWorld]

Haven't watched it for ages, but I did notice that once it did get moving at a reasonable speed it soon ground to a halt even though the loco was working hard.Hope nobody got the blower handle mixed up with the brake!!!