7mm-08 vs 270 Winchester Review & Comparison

[@Thebiggamehuntingblog]

To learn more about popular hunting calibers like the 270 Winchester & 7mm-08 Remington, visit: thebiggamehuntingblog.com/ebook

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Thanks for the video

[@Thebiggamehuntingblog]

Thanks man. I enjoyed our talk last night!

[@chrissanchez9935]

🙋‍♂️ Hi!

[@randallwhite9015]

Can not compare long action to short. Like a dump truck and a pickup. Sure dump truck will be more. Not buying

[@Thebiggamehuntingblog]

More like comparing a mid-sized pick-up to a full sized pick-up. And sure, why can't you compare the two? Both are commonly used for many of the same sort of things , but each has different strengths and weaknesses that make them better suited for different tasks.

[@АлакПатрова]

​@@randallwhite9015not even close. .308 and 30-06 are almoat identical ballistics. Of people cray about another 1/2 inch of bolt throw

[@slimjimmy229]

I was always a 30/06 fan boy for years. When I was looking to purchase a new hunting rifle for my young kids I choose the 7mm-08 due to the light weight and ease of downloading the round to mitigate recoil, but still be able to step up the load as they grew. Several years later, when they were using full power loads I decided to take the rifle out myself. What I found was the shorter, lighter weight rifle fit my hunting style much better than the 24" standard action of my '06. Soon enough I found myself taking their rifle to the stand every time they stayed at home ultimately causing me to buy myself one. This light recoiling cartridge has taken many whitetail for me over the last several years loaded with either a 120gr ballistic tip at 3100fps or a 154gr inner lock loaded at 2600fps. Both loads have accounted for many 1 shot drops and have never had a deer go more than 30-40 yards. Your statement about punching above its weight is absolutely true! It has much better penetration and bone breaking ability than the .243 Win but with significant less weight, size and recoil than my beloved '06. After seeing a 120gr TTSX travel through a 180lb field dressed buck breaking the lead shoulder AND the off hip and still exit I would absolutely feel confident in using a 140gr class monolithic on much larger game.

[@NorthwoodsNomad]

I just bought some Hornady 150gr ELDX and 139gr Superformance CX … can’t wait to see how they perform on some big northern Michigan whitetails here . As I’ve gotten older , I got rid of all of my big magnums and even the .30-06 and just bought a Tikka T3X Hunter 7mm-08 . Looking forward to some field time with it .

[@HVSJR-n5q]

My fav for the 7-08 is the 140 SP. expands very well. 7mm going in and two fingers wide going out. My shots are generally 150 or less as when the season starts the deer go into the heaviest areas they can find and seeing deer in the open don’t last long or its dark. But I will say my states record for Black Bear is over 830 and was taken with(?) a 30-30. The 7-08 is better by far.

[@lukethibodaux790]

I have owned dozens of rifles over the years and hunted with many more and I HIGHLY recommend the 7mm-08 for medium game hunters, absolutely fantastic cartridge within realistic hunting ranges while being a joy to shoot. My first deer rifle was a 7mm Rem Mag because I was thinking a hunting rifle was all about trajectory beyond 500 yards but as I matured as a hunter I grew to love my two little guns most of all (6.5x55 and 7mm-08) they have never let me down and both capable of shooting bug hole groups with handloads, so now my 7mm Rem Mag and my other magnums gather dust most of the time. I still like a 270 as well but I think the 7mm-08 is a better all around cartridge, just my $0.02

[@keithprinn720]

not the flattest, powerful or other factors but does the job, enjoyable and enjoyed by so many. why not? the new 270 the 6.8 western needs support from rifles and ammunition makers to show it's value.

[@heinrichstoltz1356]

Been hunting for many years and have been lucky to even guide for a couple of years here in South Africa. I think the 7mm-08 is very interesting and efficient cartridge, I have seen them used quite a bit and they always got the job done when used by a competent hunter. Personally I have always used/owned a .270 for everything smaller than a Livingstone Eland bull. And have finished a badly shot giraffe cow with a head shot. I have always joked and said that if there was only one rifle in my safe it would be a .270Win. I handload my ammo, and have used 160gr Sako Hammerheads and then switched over to 150gr Federal Fusion for some years and recently made my last change to 140gr Viper Bullets. With the heavier bullets I always achieved around 2,850ft/sec. But the lighter 140gr are over 3,000ft/sec again. Between the 2 .270’s that I have had I have hunted and culled many, many, animals, and lost one wounded wildebeest due to bad shot placement, not due to the rifle. I’ll always own and use a .270Winchester. Thanks for a good video.

[@johnmorganjr769]

Thank you 💯👍

[@NorthwoodsNomad]

Very nice in depth breakdown on these two middleweight contenders . I have a great deal of field experience with the .270 / .280 /.30-06 and .308 as well as 7mm REM Mag / .300 WM / .300 WSM . They all performed very well on various species of game from antelope to whitetail/ mule deer and elk , and I have soft spot in my heart for each and every one of them . However the older I get , I now have a a soft spot in my shoulder lol 😂 and I’ve since gotten rid of the big magnums and even .30-06 . Well I just recently purchased a Tikka T3X Hunter in 7mm-08 and I have not yet had the opportunity to get the scope on it and fire it , but I’m very pleased to find this video out here as I’m gathering data on the ballistics and how it will perform compared to the others I’ve had . After watching this video , I’m certain that I made the right choice and should be more than pleased with the cartridge as well as the Tikka quality rifle . Thanks for your efforts to provide such detailed analysis and information. I look forward to seeing more in the 7mm-08 and giving you some feedback with my experience with it soon .

[@jackyhallmark3094]

.270 is and always was a great caliber. I own 2 , 270s and 1 , 7 08. I always hunt with my 7 08. Been using it for 15 years.

[@andrewleonard4490]

I have both and I really like both. I've shot a couple of elk with my .270 without any problems. I've never shot an elk with the 7mm-08. I think they are both fantastic and I can't choose a favorite. I have full confidence shooting deer sized game with either. Buy one, or buy them both!

[@Thebiggamehuntingblog]

Not a darn thing wrong with getting both!

[@jeremyd8778]

Is there much of a difference in recoil?

[@maxcontax]

@@jeremyd8778i feel recoil at a rifle range on a bench, but have never felt it in the field hunting.

[@Me2Lancer]

Thanks for the comparison. I have both calibers and appreciate your explanations. Of the two, I lean toward the 270.

[@Thebiggamehuntingblog]

Thanks Rich. Not a darn thing wrong with your choice! Glad you enjoyed the video!

[@patchitwood7428]

Thanks for all your great content! Count me as a member of team 7mm-08. My son and I have used mine in Ruger American to take 10 whitetails with Hornady GMX projectiles. I originally purchased the rifle for my son’s first center fire rifle. While it works great for him, I have found that I end up taking it hunting whenever my son is not using it in lieu of my Remington 700 .30-06. Keep up the good work. I really enjoy your podcast as well.

[@Thebiggamehuntingblog]

Thanks Pat! I really appreciate it. Are you planning on switching over to the CX now that Hornady has discontinued the GMX?

[@patchitwood7428]

@@ThebiggamehuntingblogI did switch from GMX to the updated CX. Very similar results.

[@douglasrudisill1898]

I have hunted with both. Deer shot in the east I feel the 7/08 is as ideal as any out there and if recoil sensitive it might have less recoil. I find it a handloaders dream for game and target.

[@doghousedon1]

I can hit 400 yards with 1500 ft-lbs with my 7-08. That's well beyond my personal ethical range for elk, deer, too, for that matter. I don't need any more than that. It gets the job done perfectly well and doesn't beat the tar out of me in the process. A 120 TTSX going 3200 fps is no slouch. I can't wait to test the LRX. Thanks for the vid.

[@kencleg7721]

That’s my go 2 120 s 120 Sierra pro hunters 3 k very accurate Just line the 130 it’s lightning

[@keithprinn720]

excellent strategy, practical for your use and limits. and enjoyable with ease of use makes it perfect for you. others choose what you need.

[@ianstradian]

I am a big fan of the 270. It’s my go to caliber for deer hunting.

[@leojamesmitchell6908]

I have been a big fan of the .270 from the beginning of my shooting/hunting life and I have to say you have written 2very fine essay on both these excellent cartridge, but my comment here is aimed at you and your work with shooting, firearms and ammunition, I believe there is no other poster on You Tube in any topic, who writes and presents his work as excellently as you mate! Your research and writing skills surpass all others in my humble opinion! Couple this with a speaking voice is one, one would expect to find in only the best radio, television, movie and other entertainment narrators. There is one other, an older gentleman who also does turns out narrated posts, but your voice gives you the edge. Well done mate!! Keep up the excellent work. I base my comments on almost 7 decades of shooting and 40 years as an English teacher who as a teen ager hung around the local radio station where my sister worked, so I had the opportunity to hear and appreciate some of the finest radio announcers in Canada. Good stuff!

[@Thebiggamehuntingblog]

Thank you very much!

[@leojamesmitchell6908]

@@Thebiggamehuntingblog Obviously my proof reading left much to be desired 😊! I am currently on high powered pain killers for kidney stones, so I was. and still may be, all over the place grammatically and all other areas of composition skills. So please excuse my less than satisfactory writing.. You know your stuff about gins and ammo mate supported here with a great speaking voice!! Carry on and I will continue to follow and enjoy your fine efforts.

[@chipsterb4946]

Adding “what rifles are available?” to the discussion is very helpful. At my nearest big gun retailer, rifles in 270 Winchester are available new and used. There were only a few (3-5) chambered in 7mm-08.

[@TexanUSMC8089]

How many were you going to buy?

[@Nathan-zw7nq]

The problem with that is availability is different everywhere, for a time when this video came out, it was the opposite where I am. You could find 7mm-08 rifles but no .270 rifles. Also it only takes a little bit of googling and driving in your local area to figure out what’s available and what’s not. It is ludicrous to expect this guy to go all over America visiting 10s of thousands of stores to find out what’s available in every town and city in America. Have some due diligence do that research for yourself because it is different everywhere

[@jeffreylocke8808]

The 7mm-08 Remington is what the 308 Winchester was supposed to be. A replacement for the 30/06. A 7mm-08 with a 160 grain bullet compares to the 30/06 180 grain bullet with comparable velocities. The 7mm-08 hits way above its weight.

[@thecheapshot1065]

I had a 270 Ackly I built from a 53 Remington 721 270 win. That gun pushed 130s and 140 down range within a 100 to 150 ft per second of weatherby.

[@michaelnelson1911]

I think the 270 wins in every category except for recoil. The 270 is one of the top all around caliber and if I had to choose one gun, it would be my choice. I have started to use the 140 grain bullet for the 270 and I have found it to perform exceptionally well on both deer and elk. I don’t think there is a better round and my gun loves it too. 1/2” MOA.

[@CARLPHILLY]

Me to bro! There is the 270 win. and those who try to compare with it.

[@TexanUSMC8089]

6.5 PRC beats the 270 at any distance. They have about the same powder capacity. The biggest difference is the aerodynamic bullets in the PRC. It really makes a difference if you hunt out west where it's windy. The PRC greatly improves your chance of hitting where you're aiming in a 20 mph wind.

[@TexanUSMC8089]

Did you look at the charts he put up? Both loaded with a 140gr, then both loaded with a 150gr bullet? The 7-08 is the winner. LOL

[@mattc6015]

@@TexanUSMC80896.5 prc ammo is also double the price

[@mattc6015]

@@TexanUSMC8089and the ballistics of the .270 and 6.5 prc are almost identical until you get to some crazy ranges that no one hunts at anyways

[@robertspeicher5047]

Years ago, talked with a hunter who was a 270 hunter. Bought a 7mm-08 rifle , the store did not have a 270. Came in store looking to buy more ammo for his 7-08. He was really suprised how that round took a deer.

[@bobmcmillen4502]

Your pretty accurate. I load for the 270 win and I’m pushing a 150 grain Nosler ABLR 2900 plus fps. Based on my experience and looking at Nosler load data I could get a 7mm 08 168 gr ABLR 2675. They are closer at 500 yards then what you presented. Your right on, light weight hunting rifle I would take the 7mm 08 to to give my wife or grand kids. Good stuff. Probably prefer a 7mm 08 for elk for bigger hole, bigger bullet.

[@Thebiggamehuntingblog]

Thanks Bob!

[@davidsingleton1743]

If you’re going to make another video comparing the merits of cartridges that use 7MM bullets, I’ll offer the friendly suggestion to also consider adding .284 Winchester to the mix. While it’s not often seen today outside of long distance competition circles, it sure is effective in the field on game, and very versatile for those who reload their own cartridges. Given its many virtues, it’s surprising to me that it’s not more popular.

[@desertdude540]

284 Winchester isn't really appropriate for this video because it's no longer available in new factory rifles (I believe the trade term is "obsolescent", and will become "obsolete" once factory ammunition is no longer available). You can hunt for a used rifle (it was never a particularly popular cartridge, so good luck), have a short-action rifle converted to it by rebarreling (or, for a 7mm-08 rifle, having a new chamber reamed in the existing barrel) and maybe a new follower for the magazine, or having a custom or semi-custom rifle built. Ammunition selection is limited, so handloading is advisable. If you can handle all of that, you're probably well-experienced and able to evaluate cartridges on your own (i.e., not in the target audience for this sort of video). I do remember watching Desert Dog Outdoors' 7mm roundup video, where he praised the cartridge but couldn't recommend it, and blamed Winchester for only offering weak factory ammo at the time of introduction because they wanted to offer it in the Model 100 autoloader and its action couldn't handle a loading that made full use of the cartridge's potential, and I agree that if it had only been offered in the Models 70 and 88 it would probably wouldn't be such a niche cartridge today.

[@hammerheadms]

I hunt with both. I will say the biggest difference, for me, is recoil. I'm not recoil sensitive, or anything, but I get a lot of joy out of shooting my 7mm-08. I'm 6", 225ish pounds and I don't really get knocked around by anything less than moderate magnum rifles, but I can easily shoot the 7mm all day. The .270Win after a range day, I admit, will fatigue me a bit if I've had to shoot more than one box of ammo through it. Never had to make a shot longer than 100 yards with either so I can't say much about that, but I have taken whitetail with both, and what can I say? They both work real good. Never had to track a deer so long as my shot was clean.

[@blackie1of4]

You always do a thorough job when comparing cartridges! These two can be considered a coin flip for whitetail deer.. I add the 6.5 Creedmoor in as well. That being said.. I choose the 7mm-08 Remington. It just plain works for deer hunting! I came across this cartridge in 2000. Was looking for a rifle that was accurate little recoil and readily available ammo. I purchased a Remington model 700 mountain rifle LSS chambered in the 7mm-08. The rifle was not only beautiful.. it shot everything I tried well! I used Winchester Ballistic silvertips and it grouped 1/2 inch at 100 yards. I eventually parted ways with the rifle.. but recently picked up a Tikka T3 Hunter chambered in the 7mm-08. It also loves Winchester Ballistic silvertips.. I get 1/2 inch groups with that as well. However.. I chose to hunt with Norma Whitetail 150 grain loads. I get .67 inches at 100 yards with those. The ammo is significantly cheaper too :)

[@Thebiggamehuntingblog]

Thanks! Sounds like you've had some great luck with your various 7mm-08 rifles! I'll bet those 150gr Norma Whitetail loads are deadly on deer!

[@blackie1of4]

@@Thebiggamehuntingblog basically tore apart the front end as well as the lungs! My nephew processed it for me and ask what I used.. cause there wasn't anything he could salvage from the front end of the deer. It was a decent size eight point!

[@Thebiggamehuntingblog]

Ha!

[@Jeff_Seely]

My 270 is my main hunting rifle. If I were left with only one hunting rifle choice, it would be the 270 (for my hunting needs). It is speedy, it is widely available, it has manageable recoil, and it dropped every deer I've ever lung shot with it. And it spares the meat very well. It is a flat, accurate round. I would probably not pursue the 7mm-08 because I already have a 284 Win and a 28 Nosler. I don't really need another 284 bore rifle. It has to compete with some fantastic rounds like the 270 and the 6.8 Western as well. This was a very interesting video though and I learned a lot! Thanks!

[@Thebiggamehuntingblog]

Thanks Jeff, glad you enjoyed it! What ammo do you primarily use in your 270 for hunting?

[@Jeff_Seely]

I just use a 130gr plain-Jane Partition with 61gr of 4831SC. Shot from an ultralight 24" barrelled Savage. It has worked flawlessly with our rather runty blacktail out here in Central Texas hill country. Significant expansion, excellent weight retention, and good tissue destruction. They don't usually take but a few steps. But that's what I have used for many years. Thanks for asking!

[@Thebiggamehuntingblog]

Man, the Partition is a great bullet for all sorts of stuff, big and small.

[@donbalser670]

Taken moose, whitetail, black bear, coyote and any other varmint I have encountered with my 08 in a Browning A bolt. A short ,handy ,light rifle that is very accurate. Favourite bullet is a Barnes 140 grain TTSX. Have used partitions in 139 and 154 grains, 139 interlocks and various factory loadings. It digests them all very well but throws the heavier stuff much lower than the velocity should account for. I attribute that to the light barrel. Still groups well, just much lower. I think the 270 is better by 50 yards, in most situations, but where the 08 is fine out to 300, who can reliably estimate within 50 yards at 400 in a hunting situation. I will give up that 50 yards in a heartbeat to carry a much lighter, handier rifle.

[@cbwelch4]

God I love 7mm-08. I also like .280 AI. 7mm-08 would be awesome in a Tikka T3x that I have in 6.5 CM. I know 7mm-08 is a little superior (similar energy, lower BC but bigger frontal area.) yet harder to find. Considering it seriously in a Tikka or Mauser or Bergara. But I have .308 and 6.5 CM. It is a cool caliber.

[@chadhyde50]

Find a late 90's Rem model 7. You won't be disappointed.

[@anthonyfairbanks2952]

I love both my 270 n 7mm_08

[@supercomp7078]

For recoil sensitive people put a thick, really thick recoil pad on a 270 and you have no issues, when I was using my 270 for pest control on goats, ( classified a pest in New Zealand) I could shoot it all day (30-40rnds) in summer just wearing a thin tee shirt, with a thick recoil pad it was more like a gentle shove than a sharp stab, I was shooting at ranges from 200 - 650yds using 140gr interlock.

[@TexanUSMC8089]

The 270 still isn't as good as a 7-08 or a 280. Compare them 140gr and 150gr. 284 cal bullets are better than 277 caliber. It's wind that is the biggest problem. The 7mm are more aerodynamic.

[@mikemehle1537]

270 is what I like. I have a lot of questions on how the 6.5 creedmore compares to the 7mm 08 and 270. Thank you for the comparisons.

[@Thebiggamehuntingblog]

Good questions! You'll probably enjoy this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qWObg2WYe72noq8

[@chuckydubree1925]

I've been going back and forth about my new hunting. Place I think my shots could go from.50 yards to 250 yards I can't decide which one I want I own both I'm kinda leaning to the 7mm-08 thanks for the information

[@Accuracy1st]

I recommend the 270 simply due to ammo availability. I have 2 Cabela's, a Bass Pro Shop, and 2 Sportsman's Warehouses in my immediate area. Until the last week or so, none had 7-08 ammo in stock but all hand 270 ammo in stock from multiple brands: Federal, Hornady, Rem, Winchester, Sig, among many others

[@doghousedon1]

​@@Accuracy1st The situation is opposite around here. 7-08 is plentiful and cheaper than just the reloadable shells alone. You and I should stock up and meet up somewhere and trade.

[@TTT-du6oj]

I have both and really like both,if I had to choose only one,270 Winchester gets the nod unless recoil is a factor.If I were only hunting woods I would pick a compact model of the 7mm-08. I really like 120 grain nosler ballistic tip ammo for the 7mm-08 at an advertised 3000fps for deer at traditional ranges,pretty flat load and deadly on whitetail.Ammo is more available for the 270 Winchester but not hard to find 7mm-08 in 2023.That Nosler 120bt ammo is tricky to find right now👍

[@michaelrobbins9679]

Refreshing this page.. is the new military xm7 a slightly modified 7mm STE? (Shooting times Eastener). Short case. Not comparing it to the 7mm STW. Long action ( Shooting times westener) Ive used a .270 in a pre 64 rem 700 since i was born.

[@wasachevyguy]

Great content!! Subscribed! My x-bolt 7mm-08 absolutely loves 120 gr. Barnes TTSX bullets and shoots .32 moa with Vor-Tx factory ammo. Gonna take my moose with it next month!

[@Thebiggamehuntingblog]

Thanks, glad you enjoyed it! Let me know how things go with your moose hunt!

[@wasachevyguy]

@@Thebiggamehuntingblog Sure will!

[@dustinmuldoe1170]

@@wasachevyguy how'd it go?

[@C.D.-tz6sk]

I guess he ran into a grizz@@dustinmuldoe1170

[@davewinter2688]

7mm-08 just basically is a short action 7x57 Mauser. When hand loaded to its potential the Mauser will surpass the 7mm-08 just the same as the 6.5x55 beats the 6.5 Creedmoor. Case capacity wins every time. The ELD-X was designed as a target bullet. I don't have any experience with it in any cartridge but from multiple accounts I've read that bullet is likely to just blow up when it hits and have poor penetration. Too much emphasis on B.C. and not enough on our puting a good bullet in the right spot. There are very few people who can consistently do that under real world hunting conditions at even 300 yards much less 400 and beyond. With a good controlled expansion bullet like the Nosler Partition at any ethical shooting distance I don't think there's much practical difference among any of them. I have a 6.5x55, 7x57 and 270 Winchester. Over the last fifty years I've harvested more deer with a 150 grain bullet loaded to only about 2850 fps or so in the 270 than anything else and it saves a lot of meat compared to the 130 grainer at over 3,000 but if someone wants to donate me a light weight 7mm-08 to show me what it can do I'll be glad to take it. Happy hunting boys and girls!😃

[@Thebiggamehuntingblog]

There's not a darn thing wrong with the Partition and it's one of my favorite all-around hunting bullets. I think I've taken the most game using a Barnes TSX or TTSX, but the Partition is a close second and I really like them both. That said, I have personally taken game with the ELD-X and think it's a fantastic bullet for deer sized game. I wouldn't personally recommend it for elk because it's a little too soft for my taste, but I can't think of anything I'd rather use on a pronghorn or deer at 200+ yards. Hornady Precision Hunter ammunition with the ELD-X is some of the most accurate factory ammunition I've ever shot. In a good rifle, it's almost boring how easy it is to hit what you're aiming at with it.

[@Thebiggamehuntingblog]

I'm not surprised to hear that. What cartridge did you shoot those elk with using the ELD-X? And what approximate range did you shoot them at @user-te1qd6pd7s ?

[@davewinter2688]

@@Thebiggamehuntingblog I didn't make the comment about opening up two elk with ELD-X. That was Paul. This reply system is some times confusing.

[@Thebiggamehuntingblog]

Jeez, you're right, it is confusing!

[@davewinter2688]

​@@Thebiggamehuntingblog I'm still waiting for someone to send me a 7mm-08. I don't understand it. I need someone to prove me wrong about '08 vs 7x57😄

[@scottscheuerman6170]

I was wondering what ever happen to the Speer grand slam bullets as being a game bullet that would hold together and penetrate without breaking the bank

[@nmelkhunter1]

The 270 is better all around choice since reloading components and factory ammo are typically easier to find. But, if someone handed me an accurate rifle in 7MM-08 shooting 140 Accubonds and said shoot that 190” mulie 300 yards across a canyon I won’t hesitate to take the shot.

[@Thebiggamehuntingblog]

Can't argue with that logic!

[@nmelkhunter1]

@@Thebiggamehuntingblog I love “ arguing” the merits of one cartridge over another, especially the 280 vs 270, (Go 280!) but we are really blessed to have so many great choices in cartridges and bullets.

[@Thebiggamehuntingblog]

Isn't that the truth!

[@ultrahighgain412]

Are 7mm bullets and .308 cases really that hard to find?

[@dustinrug]

Thanks for making this comparison. I have both and they each have their own advantages. Better to have both than choose one or the other😂

[@user-ys1ki8sp8s]

Thanks for another awesome cartridge comparison!

[@Thebiggamehuntingblog]

Happy to do it! Thanks for the comment!

[@Slippindisc]

I think you and who tee who are my two favorite channels nowadays

[@Thebiggamehuntingblog]

Thanks, that means a lot!

[@MichaelEastman-e8v]

I got a bunch of 7.62 mini gun military brass, built a 7mm/08 rifle, and made a bunch ammo for it. Word of caution mini gun brass has a smaller case capacity than civilian brass so reloads have to be worked up slowly. I use a 140 gr Barnes at about 2600fps. Wife has killed a bunch of deer and a bison she try’s to make neck shots. Soft shooting and accurate.

[@maxcontax]

My 270 Win has done it all for 40 years now. Bought a 260 Rem and find the smaller lighter rifle wobbles too much for off hand shots in the field when hunting but is quite amazing when on a bench rest. Remember it is about the rifle as much as the cartridge. You still have to place that bullet.

[@keithprinn720]

so the balance of the smaller rifle isnt the calibre fault?

[@pabuffa]

As my shots are most likely well below 300 yards, 7-08 is perfect in all aspects.

[@randyjohnson6845]

The 7mm08 is probably the best big game short and long range pistol cartridge of all time

[@doghousedon1]

Pistol? 🤔 Are you shooting this through an Encore? 😉

[@randyjohnson6845]

​@doghousedon1 ...I didn't get this comment for 12 months...answer is yes...I got a foxridge custom 260 and 7mm08 and a 30 30...all in pistol and for no particular reason they are 13.75"....the 30 30 with a Limbsaver x-ring with box 170 federal ammo shot a 1.3 and a 1.4" group at 300 yards..and im not sure why...I guess I had heard and read that the world record for a pistol at 300 yards was 1.4" at 300 yards and that was extreme reloads and it was a 30 30

[@patrickd2013]

Well that was definitely a Deep dive! I find no significant deviations from my own in depth analysis of these two cartridges, so job well done. Just because I've gotta say it, for larger game and/or ranges 400-500+ yds, neither one is really ideal. That's when the 300 win mag is my go to. (The griz with his nose in my tent flap gets at least one 540gr super hard cast 45-70 from Garret Cartridges of Texas out of the Marlin 1895G. Not effing around with that fella!)

[@btbb3726]

Very nice, succinct treatment of the 270. Thank You!

[@cupofjoe2988]

I already own a 243 and a 30-30. I'm looking to get something bigger. Mainly going after whitetail and black bear in the mountains of PA and New York. I've narrowed it down to the 7mm-08, 270, and 308. What do I do? Thanks in advance!

[@Thebiggamehuntingblog]

All three are good choices. Me personally? I'd look really hard at the 308 out of that group, especially if most of your shots will be on the shorter side (inside 200).

[@True70woodsman]

Both fall in the perfect deer cartridge category. And can handle bigger game as well. The 7.08 handles ranges where most shots occur. The 270 will give you an edge on reaching out a little further across a big cutover or real long straight camp road.

[@ultrahighgain412]

If I lived west of the Mississippi I’d have a .270, but I live in the northeastern United States so the 7mm-08 is the better choice for my application.

[@brianford1346]

I think you should have shown a 120 grain nosler ballistic tip in the 08 and it would have blown away the 270 and it's a serious no nonsense deer killing machine with no recoil. I used to shoot both, I rarely shoot either these days since I bought a 257 weatherby mag. It blows both away for deer anywhere. I will say I do prefer the 270 in brown bear territory.

[@stevensullivan3121]

That's what I use, one shot, one down Now!

[@NAH1907]

Here in rural parts of Alaska, 30-06 and .270 are best and numerous. A variety of bullet types and grains. Third would be either the 12 gauge or 45-70. Amazing video btw.

[@Thebiggamehuntingblog]

Thanks David! Very interesting about the popular cartridges up in Alaska. Where would you say the 338 Win Mag and 300 Win Mag rank in popularity up there?

[@NAH1907]

@@Thebiggamehuntingblog Don’t know much on the 338, but the 300 Win Mag would have been in third place if the price wasn’t too high and easier to find. Also that would be an iffy third place cause both the 45-70 and 12 gauge has their specialty for being bear/big game defense and the 12 gauge case bird hunting.

[@Thebiggamehuntingblog]

Thanks David

[@markmccormack1796]

If you're going to consider the .270 with its recoil, then you might as well go with the 7mm Rem Mag.

[@msb2948]

Not true as the 7RM warrants a longer barrel and higher overall weight. It typically is more thump than needed. I have several in both.

[@1ntwndrboy198]

I have a rifle that is in 7.35×51. Is that hard to find?

[@Thebiggamehuntingblog]

Sounds like you have a 7.35x51 Carcano? That cartridge was never very popular so yes, it's hard to find these days.

[@decibellone696]

end of the day - 270 is the budget choice, and for my experience the better choice. not gone hungry with 270 and elk (and nom, nom with a nice peanut butter sauce). to me 30-06 is the best all around, excluding that 270 and 308 the next best all around... after that its about where you hunt and if you want a guccie round. - just stick with the top 3, you wont go broke buying a firearm or ammo and you wont go hungry.

[@montaego]

The Barnes 129gr LRX seems to be the ticket in the 270win with muzzle velocity around 3200fps and better ballistic coefficient. It out performs the 140gr TSX.

[@oO2Pro4UOo]

everything above 2800 fps V target you get much meat destruction many blood hematomas that is not nice.

[@Accuracy1st]

Barnes 130 TTSX, 59.5 grains SUPERFORMANCE, Winchester brass, Federal 210M primers - 3375 fps, 25" Hart barrel

[@leoncolwin8645]

The 7mm-08 is a great cartridge for ignorant people who have not heard about the 7x57.

[@patriciamunro493]

Both excellent calibers

[@br180933]

Great video thank you

[@Thebiggamehuntingblog]

You're welcome!

[@larrygabbard4896]

Just subscribed. Nice talk with who-tee-who

[@Thebiggamehuntingblog]

Thanks Larry! Glad you enjoyed it!

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Thanks Larry

[@m444ss]

sadly, the Bergara rifles I looked at didn't come in either of these cartridges

[@A-zoneJack]

Excellent video. I requested your e-book. Thank you. 🙏🏼🗽🇺🇸

[@Thebiggamehuntingblog]

Awesome, thank you!

[@jwg7993]

270win, best hunting cartridge ever! It does everything right.

[@claytondennis8034]

.277 is the new military caliber. I'd like to know more about the new Sig 277 fury.

[@Thebiggamehuntingblog]

That's a great idea Clayton, thanks.

[@brettb4452]

6.8 spc is the the new military cartridge

[@Thebiggamehuntingblog]

No, that's a different cartridge briefly considered (but not accepted) for large scale military adoption in the early 2000s. The 6.8x51/277 Fury is a much newer cartridge developed by Sig that the government chose as the ammunition for the Next Generation Squad Weapon Program

[@brianmcdonald4585]

I like the 270 w .ihave taken white tale with it a number of time . The7mm-08 is avery good round i would like to buy.

[@TheChattanoogaBandit]

Just buy both!

[@randycessna4403]

I own a 7mm08.Love it.Darn all that kick!!

[@jasonlopez4855]

Great video 📹👍🏽 thank you for your knowledge.

[@Thebiggamehuntingblog]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@N238E]

How effective are these on moose?

[@Thebiggamehuntingblog]

They'll definitely work. Randy Newburg cleanly killed a moose with a 7mm-08 last year. I'd prefer something a little bigger myself, but that's just me.

[@Strutingeagle]

When you start placing high value on such minor differences magnums are born. In all practicality there is no difference for hunting. Both are great cartridges. My vote is for the 7mm 08 because of the efficiency of powder and materials in the gun itself. If I were a fan of Jack O'Connor and was taken by nostalgia I would probably go with the .270 and be just as happy.

[@fedup3582]

Listening to you talk about the ballistics tables, gave me an impression that you were trying to boost the 7mm with your bias. Looking at your chart, it looks to me like the 270 beats the 7mm-08 as a hunting rifle and in only a few instances the 7mm-08 can come close to matching the 270. Within those hunting ranges.

[@chipsterb4946]

I didn’t take his commentary as biased one way or the other. His conclusion seemed to be that the 270 Winchester had less drop, less or equal wind drift, and more energy on target, at the cost of 20% more recoil. And a long action vs. short action rifle.

[@donaldslayton2769]

Thanks for the video

[@Thebiggamehuntingblog]

You bet!

[@miketyson8933]

.270 no contest just my opinion along with many others!!! Guys that own a 7mm-08 will obviously say the 7mm-08 because whatever gun they have and own is the best LOL in the end it all comes down to SHOT PLACEMENT, SHOT PLACEMENT, SHOT PLACEMENT!!!!

[@brettb4452]

I own both and it's 270 if you had to choose one. But I take my tikka t3x lite 7mm-08 more because it's lightweight and easy. Still accurate out to practical ranges.

[@jaybailleaux630]

The 270 is the better cartridge for varmints , deer and antelope. The higher velocity of the 270 makes it more explosive on light body game like deer and coyotes. The 7mm-08 will give more penitration and narrower wound channel. Do a water jug test and ballistic gell test. The 280 beats them both.

[@Thebiggamehuntingblog]

I agree that the 280 will indeed beat them both. You may enjoy this video where I compare the 270 to the 280, the 280 AI, and the 7mm Rem Mag: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aInOgpeem51mfJo

[@msb2948]

We need a 270-08 AI Sami specked!

[@timbrimm4397]

I like the 7mm08

[@patrioticguy1791]

Very informative

[@Thebiggamehuntingblog]

Glad it was helpful!

[@mr.mr.3301]

6.5 prc is more like the 270.

[@Thebiggamehuntingblog]

I may need to do that comparison in a video eventually...

[@joesutherland225]

303 now theres a forgotten caliber as a canuck id say youd be shocked how good it is on moose and elk etc .right there with 3006 up here for decades.

[@Thebiggamehuntingblog]

You're not wrong! The 303 is a great cartridge that has been getting it done in the former British colonies (such as many African countries in addition to Canada) for well over a century.

[@oO2Pro4UOo]

the 7mm 08 for within 200yard and the 270 for further shots. As easy as that.

[@msb2948]

Buy your rifle in a Tika Superlight, and the whole short action vs long action debate is moot. 270 easily for the win, especially when you try the Nosler Accubonds in 100 and 115 grain weights, light Barnes bullets too!

[@efrencarrasquillo1077]

7mm-08 140gr federal fusion, do it all round

[@DreamConundrum]

I like the 270 Win, but I think the 280 Rem was superior. 280 AI seems to be gaining in popularity.

[@homeinthewhiteoaks]

I don't give a 7mm .284 a diameter a big boost over the .277 of the .270. That's a .007 difference in diameter. The expansion of the bullet +/- given the velocity at impact, and the design of the bullet will eclipse the .007 starting difference every time. That has always been a wash with me between the 7mm's and the .270. I agree the heaver .284's have an edge. Fun fact the 270 is the actual 7mm bullet. .277 is equal to 7.03mm and .284 is equal to 7.21mm! To confuse things more the other name for the 7 Mauser is 275 Rigby. As 7mm = .2755 in inches.

[@JimParvin-o9e]

It's not as even of a comparison as it would be with the 280 Remington vs the 270 winchester with the same length barrels firing 140 grain bullets.

[@mr.mr.3301]

Here feeding algorithms.

[@twp616]

.270 Winchester is awesome, but so is the .280 Remington. I have been hunting with both for years. If there is any advantage to the larger .007 inch bullet diameter of the .280, it is only the benefit of a heavier 175 grain bullet for the .280. If this kills game better than the 150 grain .270, that is anyone's guess. I love them both, but for the largest game. I will shoot the .280 and 175 grain bullet. The 7mm-08 is to the .280 Remington, like the .308 Winchester is to the great 30-06. Close, but not the equal.

[@royjohnson465]

Yes the 280 is superior over the 7mm-08 due to more powder capacity. The about 1/2" longer 30-06 (280) casing based long action cartridges >>do not have a heavier rifles

[@danielchristian5541]

You're not calling the 03 Springfield cartridge .30-06 are you? 🤦

[@Thebiggamehuntingblog]

What makes you say that?

[@tanjabrown5543]

Great comparison thank you .

[@Thebiggamehuntingblog]

Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching.

[@fedup3582]

I will say though, that your ending conclusions sounded a bit more objective.

[@Jay-j6s6r]

30-06 vs 308 270 vs 7mm08 25-06 vs 243 Long action vs short action Argument has be raging for decades.

[@superseries7007]

270/08 for the win. 🤷‍♂️

[@Thebiggamehuntingblog]

Haha! There you go!

[@TexanUSMC8089]

The 270 has about 15gr more powder than the 7-08. Why not compare the 270 to the 280. Same case. Same amount of powder. The 280 will be the winner at any range.

[@Thebiggamehuntingblog]

Here's my comparison of the 270 to the 280: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aInOgpeem51mfJo

[@fedup3582]

Funny thing is, .277 is a actually 7mm. If you do the math, 7mm is actually .276.

[@Thebiggamehuntingblog]

That's the difference between land and groove diameter

[@shanevonharten3100]

The stupid part is the 270 is actually the 7mm and the 7mm08 isn't actually 7mm

[@Badhands55]

7mm-08

[@allenrosesr.8480]

I shoot 7mm08

[@nickharwood1181]

270 has more power, both kill deer fine. Not much else to say

[@poorfatman5317]

7mm08

[@clintonkerry3544]

You look like a young Bad Santa lmao

[@Thebiggamehuntingblog]

Haha, thanks?

[@fabulousoffroaddesigns5080]

Both cartridges will be made obsolete by the 6.8 Sig Fury.

[@Thebiggamehuntingblog]

Quite possibly. I'm very interested to see what the future holds with the 277 Fury/6.8x51 from Sig

[@bobbowles3400]

You can't go wrong with either of those calibers . I have 2 rifles in 270 caliber and one in the 7mm-08 and enjoy them both. The 7mm-08 is way milder on recoil and a better choice for young and new shooters. They are both great calibers for the hand loader like myself.

[@michaelconvey8017]

like to see this rounds ballistics out of a 24 in. barrel

[@kurtwpg]

There are almost no obsolete cartridges. If you want to hunt deer with less recoil than the Fury and longer barrel life, these cartridges win.

[@Benroe-yz1nz]

The civilian version of the fury is basically a 270-08

[@coyotiess]

The 270 IS STARTING TO KICK MY BUTT i LIKE THE LOWER WEIGHTED PROJECTILES!