6 Cartridges Better Than The 308

[@backfire]

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[@TyB.-to3ek]

Fact on the 6.5 Creedmore the FBI made the round before JFKs assassination, they were trying to make a more accurate round then the Carcano, or be framed into making it look like the Carcano did it.

[@TyB.-to3ek]

6.5 PRC 15% flatter then the 6.5 creedmore, but the 6.8 Western is 30% flatter then the 6.5 PRC!

[@wallytucker62816964]

No man the 308 will be here to stay for decades

[@boygirlandadad5814]

Meanwhile Backfire sits back and and enjoys what he created; a complete and total Barforama. Very Ron Spomerlike. Congrats. *pukes*

[@jhamelin119]

When are we going to get the 30-06 video.

[@TheXaelem]

Only the champ has to always defend himself like the 308 has to on every hunting channel out there. Long live the champ

[@SAR0311]

We've seen it before but once again just recently saw what it looks like when a Champ doesn't want to let go.

[@alysonstump9670]

Just like car companies comparing their reliability to Toyota.

[@ectorreza9616]

308 is trash i got gifted one and and threw it in the trash . 😂

[@TheMerlinmk19]

You mean the CHEAP not the champ....the 308 is better at nothing than literally 10's of other cals. I love my old 308 rifles BUT they are champs of nothing but shooting cheaply.

[@wallytucker62816964]

@@TheMerlinmk19 you cannot learn to shoot without putting lots of lead down range. I would argue that the 308 has trained more middle and long distance shooters the concepts of marksmanship than almost any other cartridge. Also while it may not be the most effective cartridge for dispatching the largest mammals on the NA continent it is certainly capable of doing so. For these reasons 308 will always hold a place of high esteem

[@CLADAWG]

7prc = $50 /box. 7rem mag& 300 wm $30-$50 / box. 308win. $25/box. Dead is dead, dead at 800 yards+ is sport shooting not hunting

[@semperparatus3188]

Here at our Academy, 7mm magnum is between 59.99 and 69.99 a box. And the PRC is 59.99 a box. The 300 win costs 62.99 a box with remington core lokt being 41.99. The 308 here costs 54.99 and the cheapest which is remington is 29.99. None of that shit is cheap.

[@vargulfwolf4802]

What .308 rounds are 54.99?​@@semperparatus3188

[@wsieber89]

Try hornady black a-max 168gr .308 still available for 25-30 bucks per box

[@jaredmatthews9403]

308 is cheap, accurate, and effective.

[@syednoori3799]

Lot of cartidges are accurate and effective,its cheaper can be a point

[@uoislame]

not only cheap, but available. every other bullet can't compete with that.

[@chrispolovich3071]

too 🐌 🦥 🐌 slow

[@jaydunbar7538]

Its not really any cheaper then many others, sure cheap plinking ammo is available but if your talking hunting loads then its about the same cost as any other similarly sized popular cartridge from the same company. If i ho buy the same thing for 6.5cm, 270win, 243win, 7mm-08, and 308win they will all cost within a few dollars of each other for a box depending on the store with most places having them exactly the same price.

[@jaredmatthews9403]

@@jaydunbar7538 the cheap plinking stuff is effective for everything but longrange target applications. 308 GOAT

[@mikeyd5969]

When I was young and full of it I bought a 7mm mag . Now I’m older and wiser I carry the 7-08 ,short action lighter rifle to carry in the hills . It’s ammo is readily available everywhere too, even though I only shoot my reloads .

[@randallingram7992]

I agree with the same. My 7mm08 weatherby is short, light and recoil is much lighter. This all means a lot when you retire and your stamina isn't what it used to be. I also reload and have enough ammo loaded to never need to stop by a store for more.

[@marcuschauvin7039]

Its my west Texas rifle for elk and mule deer

[@KnNashua]

Just made my first purchase, not inherited gun. Been looking a year, was excited aboit 7mm mag but held off, 277 fury once athe new military round will have excitement, but finally instead of big or cool decided shoukd go with best for white tail in New England woods and decided on 7mm-08 over 308. Nice see video and comments saying Im not crazy on that choice.

[@brandon7079]

I would like to point out that in many peoples eyes the 308 is going away. Yet so many still use this as the standard to compare others to. It fits very nice in the middle of the cartridge lineup. Not over or under powered. Drop and drift are not important when a MASSIVE portion of the country doesnt hunt past 200 yards. Hard to find a better deer catcher for east of the Mississippi. Keep up the great videos.

[@rafaelius76]

308 win and 300 win mag, two very efficient, affordable, accurate and available cartridges of the same caliber that cover all hunting.

[@jaydunbar7538]

Those are both the same caliber, they are different cartridges.

[@rafaelius76]

@ You're right, sir, I expressed myself incorrectly. My mistake, thanks for the correction.

[@deanriley5690]

Good for varmint hunting?

[@gbett6835]

@@deanriley5690 yes, 308 with 110gr VMAX bullets

[@deanriley5690]

@gbett6835 no point in that if you would like a clean dinner.

[@benf8487]

Love the 270 and the 308. That said, I take the 270 out most of the time now.

[@theblindsniper9130]

This video will upset a lot of people lmao 308 and 7.62 NATO are great hunting rounds. But it shines as a battle rifle round. The platforms it is available in, like the FAL, G3, M1A, AR10, ect are just so well done, and universal rifles. Versus something else in just a hunting rifle setup. That said, bullet design matters more than a cartridge. Ive made a few videos on that topic.

[@Simon-talks]

Long live the .308, the king Jack of all trades.

[@DavidMitchell-qx9ne]

Absolutely not. That would be the 30.06. The GOAT of rifle rounds !!! Not even debatable at all. Duh,homer.

[@ringofasho7721]

The 308 isn't even the 6th best 30 caliber cartridge

[@Simon-talks]

Hi Backfire crew and family! You gotta keep pushing harder to stoke more comments for views and money! 😉

[@outinthesticks1035]

I was going to comment in the main area , but would draw to much hate .308 is fairly good in most areas , not best at anything, but close . So this makes it top or in the running when a average over all is considered

[@fredfrost1121]

@@DavidMitchell-qx9ne30-06/270 battle been fought for years and boy oh boy is it funny hearing them arguments lol

[@ZenthisGaming]

Bought a Tikka T3X in 30.06. Got both my deer tags filled with it this year and looking to bag a cow moose. Absolutely love the gun and the caliber is so versatile.

[@heyzeus6149]

Caliber cool but that’s also a really really sharp rifle 👍

[@johnbodman4504]

I don't buy anything other than Tikkas and the 30--06 is a great round.

[@eikonise]

How is your shoulder doing? are you a big 260+ lb dude? do you use a muzzle brake? I know Tikka makes good and accurate rifles, but that combo of rifle and cartridge would probably mess with my accuracy--personally.

[@johnbodman4504]

@@eikonise 30-06 recoil is nothing.

[@bigjon576]

What I like about the 308. Is that it has an extremely long barrel life, And its cheap to shoot, There are definitely better performing cartridges but for plinking, hunting, and shooting a lot within 500 yards, 308 is hard to beat.

[@crownember560]

Im from canada so im not sure if its different in America but here in canada 6.5 creed is more available has more options and can very easily cost less than 308 so i find for a shoot anything cartridge its hard to beat. Idk about going after elk with it though.

[@ChanoLeyva-l8x]

@@bigjon576 308 with the right load is good out to 1000 plus 👌🏼

[@timothym2241]

@@ChanoLeyva-l8xto punch paper.

[@keithqueen352]

​@ChanoLeyva-l8x so is a 270 Winchester.

[@ChanoLeyva-l8x]

@@keithqueen352 I can handload 308 to beat 270 every time, 270 is pretty cool though

[@jasontassey9013]

If you use a mono metal bullet, say a 150 gr Barnes T-TSX or similar, which is more than adequate for elk, it will have a muzzle velocity of around 2900 FPS and then the numbers don't look quite as dismal. Since I don't know what bullet or zero distance you start with Jim, I'll just post some numbers from JBM Ballistics. The 150 gr Barnes T-TSX going 2900 fps at the muzzle with a 200 yard zero at 5000 ft elevation and a 15 mph crosswind will yield the following results: Energy at 100 is 2445 ft-lbs, @ 400 yards the drop is 20.4" and the wind is 16.7", drop at 600 is 70.3", max range 2k fps is 514 yards. Also, if you care about the arbitrary 1500 ft-lbs of energy, it hits that at 437 yards.

[@TheDiamonddave2]

Just to take it a little farther, what if you used the 130 grain TTSX in a 308 Win. at 3250 fps? It has a B.C. of .350, and the 30-06 doesn't give you anymore velocity over the .308. At 500 yards it's got 1962 fps velocity , 1111 ft. lbs of energy, and a drop of -43.70" with very low recoil and still a very effective terminal performance all the way up to elk. You may have to hand-load to get there as that's a max load velocity. Factory Barnes ammo reports a muzzle velocity of 3125 Feet Per Second.

[@K-bob_45]

Yeah as soon as I saw he didn’t call out the bullet I knew it was all BS

[@wicked650s]

Ok, I hear you, now show the ones that are short action only.

[@ryanmorris4406]

Then pick the one you want to go deer hunting with in bear country. Which one is on shelves when there is a panic? Which one can be found is wal-mart, a hardware store in rural Idaho, a fishing village nearing the artic circle and has a selection of loads in a store in South Africa.

[@jaydunbar7538]

⁠@@ryanmorris4406almost none of that is relevant to most people, most people don't travel enough to speak of and particularly for hunting its just not a factor for most. If your actually visiting the Arctic circle and Africa good for you, but most never leave their home state for more then a few days a few times in their life. Yes it can be a factor for some, but not for most of us and for those that it is why would they be panic buying ammunition during a shortage? Do you not have a stockpile of the things you use most?

[@cliffordschorr]

​@@ryanmorris4406 that's .308 then

[@brockgundich]

​@cliffordschorr " wait it's all .308?" " always has been"

[@joseywales8257]

308 Mauser SP 66 short half stroke action

[@msquared9605]

As the videos shows, there are some cartridges that are better at some things than 308. But there are no cartridges that are better at everything than 308

[@crownember560]

Minus impact force 6.5 creed does everything 308 does and does it better. In my area anyway. More available more options cheaper less recoil better performance at longer range faster at shorter range. The only thing 308 does better is how hard it hits which isnt all that much better. I have owned both and ended up selling my 308 just because my 6.5 did everything it did better.

[@peteseed5383]

​@crownember560 your statement isn't wrong, but versatility was missed. I choose. 308 out of the 2 as I reload ,like short barrels and can go from over 200 grain cheap quiet cast subsonic to 110-125 grainer for plinking, teaching and 3000 fps varminting with unlimited free military brass in my case. I do not need anymore energy or range for what I hunt .

[@msquared9605]

@@peteseed5383 you’ve got the right idea. Crownember560 said a few things that are more than debatable and/or just straight up incorrect. In a discussion of how versatile a cartridge is, some people tend to only think of its’ versatility at killing things. When everything is considered, there is nothing more versatile than 308

[@mdell4959]

At 70 I have a solid 50 years of hand loading and big game hunting experience. I’ve never worked with another cartridge that is as inherently accurate as the .308. Most any medium fast powder from 3031 to 4320 will deliver accurate loads with a quality 150gr spitzer. I never get my panties in a wad over an inch of drop or a foot pound of energy. I’ve made 2 shots over 400 yds in 50 years. I pride myself in being able to stalk BG to within 300 yds. And an honest 300yds is a poke with a spotter weight rifle

[@msquared9605]

@@mdell4959 have you ever used varget for 308? I just recently did my first handloads with a buddy’s equipment. Barnes 130grain and 49.2 grains varget I’m getting just barely under 3000fps with my 16” barrel

[@JeremyP-121]

Literally just had a conversation about this 3 hours ago with my uncle as we were coming out of the hunting blind. Both of us want 7mm-08. But both shoot 308 due to availability (locally yes I know you can order anything online but not feasible for us) still awesomely effective.

[@dustinpomeroy8817]

Why is it not feasible?it's easier to order things on online than it is going to the store.

[@jfox71]

I have both and use them both. Ammo for the 7mm-08 was dang near impossible during 2020 and 2021. Hopefully there isn't another issue like that again. I built a lightweight mountain rifle at the end of 21 and went with a 308.

[@robertgarcia6561]

It still hurts me that the .260 remington doesn't get any love these days!

[@reload280]

100 fps faster than the 6.5 Creedmore, uses the.308 case. What’s not to love.

[@robertgarcia6561]

@reload280 Exactly, I can use heavier bullets and push them fast before I even start playing with COAL!!

[@kx5e]

I have a .260 in a Remington 700 PCR and I wouldn't trade it for any other 6.5 caliber. Last 3 times at the range, sub half moa groups(thanks Hornady) with ELDM. a little faster than the CM and the 7mm-08. I have 3 rifles. A .308 Ruger SFAR, .224 Valkerie AR15 and the Remington .260. All for different purposes but I have my personal wants covered. You are right, the .260 deserves a ton of love. It actually started the low recoil 6.5 craze 🤪before there was a craze for a 6.5. It got put on the backburner by other brands that don't outperform it and that's a shame.

[@boygirlandadad5814]

.260 Rems don't sell new guns, you gotta rebrand and create industry hype.

[@nickbasham2182]

I built a Savage in a 260 rem. There is literally no other cartridge I'd rather have for an all around hunting rifle. 127g LRX with 42.5g of H4350 is absolute money.

[@sgtpickles1319]

7mm-08: Flatter, faster, low recoil, heavier than 6.5 Creed

[@grayman7208]

and sold everywhere around the world ... not.

[@RobBremner]

@@grayman7208 wrong

[@Jez-p9k]

6.5 prc uses up to 156 gr. It’s also faster than 708.

[@tjfishing2714]

Great information 👍 For me, 308 is perfect Goat, Pig and Deer (Samba) calibre. At my gunshop in rural Australia, you can't buy half those cartridges, and the ones you can are twice the price .

[@sgtpickles1319]

@@grayman7208My local store has 9 different loads in stock right now even during hunting season.

[@johngoodman9380]

Will there ever be a time the .308 doesn't have to defend it's self? Justify all you want, but it is in the game because it works so well for so many. I'm sure ammo and gun makers wish it had never been invented so they could produce something new to $ell that wouldn't fade away.

[@hawkeye7522]

The one thing I do not understand is why your spreadsheet for the 308 only includes the 165gr bullet. I have a gen 1 Ruger American in 308 and shoot 150gr Barnes TTSX bullets. Factory loads are about 2900 fps and it is exceptional to shoot. Killed Antelope and elk with it. I would maybe consider these other cartridges, do own a 3006, but the 308 is amazing and cannot be dethroned.

[@lyellclare9365]

100% correct. I think that the spreadsheet was one sided deliberately.

[@thehoneybadger8089]

The Germans got it right with the 8x57mmMauser in 1888, improved it somewhat in 1905, and we really haven't needed anything else since for 99% of the big game species on Earth.

[@andrewcleveland]

You’re not wrong. 8x57 has taken everything in the world. Great cartridge that no one seems to remember.

[@brittakriep2938]

​@@andrewcleveland: Is still common in Germany.

[@andrewcleveland]

@@brittakriep2938 I think it’s still popular in Africa too, but here in the US it’s basically forgotten

[@wadeh7254]

Everyone always coming after the good ol' 308 because its the king.

[@charleshetrick3152]

What about my 6.8 SPC, no body loves me😢

[@charleshetrick3152]

@@ajdube9967 we be fresh out of troll food here.

[@DaveL9170]

.308 is the Honda Accord EX of the cartridge world. And it does ALL THINGS well. Can even pull a small Seado trailer.

[@brianklamer3328]

6.5 Creedmoor fan boys will try to pull a 30 foot Se-Ray with a Subaru CrossTrek!

[@DaveL9170]

@@brianklamer3328 truth!!!!!!

[@ManjaroBlack]

The 6.5 PRC is that V8 engine swap.

[@Buke8500]

"How dare you!"

[@stanleymerritt2893]

Jim, you left out the availability factor, which is certainly something to consider.

[@jam5287]

Availability isn’t a huge issue. If you can’t find something in store, go to another one, or buy online. There are so many sites that have good deals on all kinds of ammo and bullets.

[@karlkarlkarl358]

Availability also entails finding the right type of ammo I want or need for my rifle, not just whether I can find any old box of ammo for sale, sometimes you need to find a bullet in a certain brand or weight for your rifle to shoot its best. When it comes to availability not only will you almost always find .308 and 6.5 Creedmoor wherever you go to buy it and pay less, you will also find a much wider variety of options.

[@jam5287]

@@karlkarlkarl358 finding the right ammo isn’t hard though. lol in the online market you can find just about anything.

[@ericcone5540]

​@@jam5287but because so many manufacturers make .308 and a lesser extent 6.5creedmoor it will always be easier to find. Yeah you can find other cartridges, but are you willing to just try any site you've never heard of.

[@flatlandriver2471]

In 1975 my brother and I bought identical new rifles. His in 308, mine in 270. He still has his 308, I have hunted whitetail with many other rifles since, four of which were also 270’s, but also rifles that ranged from 243 to 338 magnum. The most lethal on whitetail was an angle-eject in the now defunct 307. I’m a P.Eng, Ret. and have put together a few spreadsheets over the years. X axis values are the muzzle energy divided by the cross-sectional area of the bore. Y axis is just the bore diameter. The higher the muzzle energy divided by the cross-sectional area, the tougher that bullet has to be engineered so that it will hold together, especially at short range. I think of this as the internal ricochet factor. Hit even a small bone at some oblique angle and that perfectly placed heart shot ends up being deflected through the diaphragm, the stomach and somehow ends up in the same side tenderloin. And now the tracking begins. This is harsh but I will no longer hunt with anything smaller diameter than 7mm (284). But if you look at the internal ricochet factors of high muzzle energy 7’s, you’ll reconsider those too. After a half century of hunting I finally admitted defeat, did the right thing, and hunt with a 308. Although, I got my kids started with 7mm-08, but only with the tougher bullets, and only because, as you noted, lower recoil.

[@awake780]

So you found that .270 was damaging too much meat and not effective at killing quickly? I’m considering a first hunting rifle and .308 was where I’m leaning due to ammo availability, cost, effectiveness within reasonable ranges, and moderate recoil. But I keep thinking about .270 for its higher velocity, flatter trajectory, and lesser recoil. Could you elaborate a little bit further on your experiences with these two calibers? I should add that I would be looking to hunt critters up to the size of a moose in western Canada. Assume ranges will be no more than 300 yards.

[@gsp8489]

I bought a 270win and I HATE IT!!!!! It was my first rifle. I bought it as a "do everything" gun. Now I want a gun specialized for antelope so I figured, 25-06!.....but it's only marginally flatter than my 270, I can't justify it! Then I wanted a heavier gun for elk so I thought, 30-06, but then I realized 150 gr bullets in my 270 nearly matches the 06 in energy and beats it in trajectory, I can't justify that new gun either!!!! And when I'm at the range I look so lame with my 270 but since I'm hitting all the same targets as my buddy with a creedmoor, I feel like I can't justify that new gun either. I have all these other cartridges I want to buy but my stupid 270 can do everything they can do! What am I to do?!?! I could have needed at least two or three new rifles by now if I hadn't bought that stupid 270!!

[@tre2038]

Sounds like you’ve got 270 problems but a rifle ain’t one.

[@DavidLee-bw5dm]

I feel like everyone says Creed more better than .308, but I'm like we got Creed more at home! ... .270

[@mikem9331]

Justify? Give up on "justification" and just get what you want.

[@cameronn-270]

Love my 270 great for AZ mountains, but I know what you mean lol

[@01nmuskier]

😄😄😄 Awesome reply!

[@the_real__derpy0190]

i think this argument depends on where you hunt. i hunt in the high desert of arizona and .308 isnt used much out here, but out east in georgia or something 308 is probably more popular than anything

[@JoeJohnson-i9d]

I use 308 here in az on everything from coyotes to elk, longest kill was at 475 using a 190 nosler accubond long range

[@the_real__derpy0190]

@ what rifle do you have in a twist fast enough to stabilize 195 grain?

[@JoeJohnson-i9d]

@@the_real__derpy0190 1-10 stabilizes it just fine

[@jamesmills1500]

For those in Canada the 6.5 Creedmoor will run you around $74 for a box of ammo and the 308 is around $34 per box. That's no small difference. Here in Northeastern Ontario I've only found 1 place that had 6.5 Creedmoor in stock and they only had 1 box available, but even the local hardware store had 308, 30-06, and 7mm-08.....so depending on where you are availability could be an issue

[@carsonelliott6522]

That's so interesting how much cost varies just between Canada and the US. Here (Louisiana), 308 and 6.5CM factory hunting loads cost EXACTLY the same.

[@bikedeefer]

Your comparison is bullshit, Hornady American Whitetail literally cost the same amount at Cabelas in Canadur for either caliber $59.99. . . What the heck are you talking about??? I can go to any gun shop and get tonnes of .308 or 6.5 today!!!

[@bikedeefer]

@@carsonelliott6522 They do cost the same in Canadur. This guy is full of ish. I can buy cheap 6.5 for $29 a box or I can buy $79 high end hunting ammo same with the .308 and its everywhere in either caliber.

[@qcwallace]

i need your LGS where i could buy a 34$ box of 308

[@jamesmills1500]

@qcwallace LGS??? What is that?

[@cee3]

Should have talked about barrel life. Big reason for 308. 6.5 prc is a barrel burner.

[@garrettstiles7808]

And barrel length. 20” 308 gets almost the full performance of the cartridge; 20” 6.5PRC is just a hot 6.5CM.

[@scotthardwick7413]

Nope disagree......

[@garrettstiles7808]

@@scotthardwick7413 maybe not a full-on “burner” like 6 Creed or something, but ~half the life of .308 is definitely a burner by comparison.

[@cee3]

@@scotthardwick7413 6.5 prc barrel life up ~2000 rounds maybe. .308 ~10,000 rounds

[@clintivy623]

Barrel life is the only argument I'll listen to. Some of our work guns had 8-12,000 rounds on them before the barrels went. Ballistically the 6.5s run circles around the 6.5. Except for energy inside of ranges where most any cartridge fairs well.

[@gregpace4676]

"6 Cartridges Better Than The .308 At What?" I'm surprised you are so high on the .300WM since you usually talk about accuracy going south with a rifle that kicks so hard. Why didn't you compare 150 grain .308 to 150 grain 7MM08 (apples to apples) what's the recoil/energy/recoil with 150g in the ,308? I get it that you are a western hunter, I hunt deer and hogs in Tennessee, been hunting for 50 years, I don't think I have ever shot a critter over 100 yards. I own almost all of the cartridges you have listed. They all work and it really doesn't matter here in Tennessee. I will say that the magnums are not necessary here, I shot a deer at 100 yards with a .300 RUM and it wasn't pretty, destroyed a lot of meat on a heart shot. I think that this episode leaves me a little baffled, you shift from power, speed and flat shooting to recoil. Which is it? I will say that .308 wins hands down for SHTF (AR 10 or bolt gun) due to cost and availability making it #1 overall! That said I will be hunting with my new Tikka T3x ultralite in 6.5 CM 140g Speer Gold Dot over 44g of 6.5 StaBall, I just installed one of your recoil pads and a trigger spring. Its a 1/2" MOA gun all day long.

[@MTDub99]

Good points. I have a T3x in 7mm08. Love it.

[@ChanoLeyva-l8x]

@@gregpace4676 with the high 30 cal bc bullets on the market now, 308 vs 6.5 Creedmoor 7mm08 class cartridges the gap in performance is negligible it’s really all about preference and 30 cal slugs are just better at killing things

[@craigparker4108]

I agree 100%. Except different cartridges need to be compared by BC not the grain of projectile. So compare 7mm 08 140 G BC 485 to 308 165 G BC475. When comparing the same bullet weights the 7mm 08 has a much higher BC, flatter trajectory & less recoil. There's not a lot of difference but 7mm 08 wins all categories at ethical hunting distances for me. cheers.

[@SPinMICH]

Here in Michigan, in fact most places east of the Mississippi, you would VERY hard pressed to find 7mm PRC, especially for hunting. Most folks consider it more of a western hunting cartridge. Same, unfortunately, for the 280 Ackley. I have not seen that cartridge ANYWHERE in years - for factory loads. Also, most hunting around here is less than 100 yards. Sometimes, MAYBE out to 100 or 150 yards, at most. I'm not knocking those cartridges; they are just practically invisible in the eastern deer woods.

[@bluepunk182]

Same in Indiana.

[@karlkarlkarl358]

I can agree with a lot of that and have considered maybe trading in one of my .308's for one of those cartridges. But then I look at the price and availability of ammo of most of those and realize the long term cost greatly outweighs the minor benefits of each of those cartridges. Although I did buy a 6.5 Creedmoor for the benefit of my kids having a good hunting cartridge with less kick as well as the low cost and high availability of ammo... and I will likely get something bigger when I finally get a moose tag... but until then I am content with my .308 and 6.5 CM.

[@leeturner3143]

The 6.5CM and the 308 compliment one another nicely. For the reasons you point out. Who wants just one rifle anyway?

[@Euronasa]

The fact that the magnificent 6.5x55 Swedish is not on the list is just an example in a row of examples that the whole world is completely off hinges. 🤪 Joking aside, the Swedish or Skan is an underrated cartridge. Why?

[@jakechapman6892]

6.5 Swede is basically a 6.5 creedmoor, nothing wrong with either cartridge but I would say 6.5 Swede is a lot harder to find and more expensive. So why pay for more when you have a ballistic twin that’s cheaper and easier to find? It’s like arguing the 22-250 AI over the standard 22-250 you know?

[@lenzadlberger]

Cause our American Friends doesnt liked metric till 6.5 Creedmoor .... the 6.5x55SE handloaded in a modern Rifle can do more then the Creedmoor but Fabric Ammo Sucks cause they loaded it to mimic Pressures My Mauser M12 Expert in 6.5x55SE gives me 875m/s (2870ft/s) with 140gn Bullets out of a 22 inch Barrel with no significant Pressure Signs (only flat Primers) 46gn Reload Swiss RS60 does the trick in Lapua Brass for me OAL 79.3mm (3.122in)

[@lenzadlberger]

​@@jakechapman6892 Lapua 6.5x55SE Brass is cheaper then 6.5Creed Brass here in Germany 😉 Ammo is the same / NORMA Golden Target, RWS Scorion and Geco Target HP are also great Options to get fireformed Premium Brass (yes all 3 are the same Company)

[@Euronasa]

@@jakechapman6892 I'm no expert, but the 6.5 Swedish is the most successful moose (elg) cartridge here in Scandinavia for decades. Even though it was to weak compared to the 30-06, but since it was mild in recoil, had a flat trajectory (?), it was easier to hit the target. The mild recoil makes the shooter more confident and not so scared of the recoil.It was not so sensitive to the wind either. The Swedish was so good it could not be significantly improved. Or would you disagree? Would you say the creedmore was an attempt to reinvent the wheel? And indeed they did that successfully. But no moose cartridge. Peace.

[@Euronasa]

@@lenzadlberger The yankeys didn't like metric when they adopted the Krag Jørgensen. They went for rim cartridge the .30-40 Krag instead which the Krag was never designed for. What a bummer. Precision wise the 6.5x55 is good, the Sauer 200 str (Scandinavian target rifle) will go hole in hole at 100 yards with the right hand loaded ammo. And many experience no difference with factory ammo. So they say around here anyways. Greetings from Norway.

[@indydurtdigger2867]

As an aging military guy I have an affinity for the .308. I find it best for making 300 Savage cases.

[@beestoe993]

"Better" is subjective. How many of your 6 have better ammo availability?

[@jaydunbar7538]

Well other popular cartriged like 30-06 and 270 have all the same ones available that matter for hunting, and for the same cost. If your wanting surplus military ammunition then 308 wins clearly but this is a hunting channel.

[@colson60]

@@jaydunbar7538if you think 308 and 270 are the same availability then you definitely don’t have a 270 your buying ammo for. It’s a great round that is dying in front of our eyes.

[@HarrisonCountyStudio]

@@colson60 I guess it depends on where you live/shop. I’m in WV and .270 is a staple. The .25-06 is quite popular as well.

[@ericcone5540]

​@@jaydunbar7538half of hunting is practice and you can practice more and cheaper with .308. They may not the same weight as your hunting load with surplus ammo, but more range time is not going to make you worse.

[@Sqwan2]

Where I come from, 6.5 creed is double the price of a 308. And it just doesn't perform as well. You just cant replace bullet diameter, even though many people claim it.

[@philipwalker1267]

A lot of people forget about the 257 wby mag and the 25-06 . Very flat shooting as well with manageable recoil as well .

[@philipwalker1267]

Especially if you reload you can get some screaming demon out of them.

[@LachlanBlackburn]

Love the quarter bores the 257 wby was never meant to be a bench rest calibre with premium quality projectiles l am never disappointed

[@GammaRayTrae]

I recently picked up a 6.8x51, less recoil than 308 but more than 6.5 creedmoor. The fact that with a 13” barrel using brass only(135gr) I’m seeing 2630fps I’m impressed. Looking to get that 20” cross and testing that hunting ammo I think this could replace the 308 as well.

[@JoeJohnson-i9d]

277 fury sucks 🤣😂

[@Benroe-yz1nz]

A 270-08 lol

[@wesleyallen1214]

Also a 308 can shoot 110grains all the way to 220grain.

[@ryane6719]

Have you ever shot over 200 grains? The 308 is an absolute dog with those heavy bullets.

[@jaydunbar7538]

@@ryane6719depends on how willing you are to push the pressure, with good brass and a strong action its not an issue. Very particular situation i admit, factory loading your absolutely right on it being a dog with heavy projectiles. I shoot 150s out of mine for deer and it works, i may switch to a harder projectile then i sued last time but it did work just had more meat damage then id like to see and didn't get a pass through.

[@jameswozny1997]

​@@ryane6719watch ultimate reloaders vid on pushing the 308s pressure with alpha brass.

[@Frog13799]

200gr conventional bullets at 2350 work like a charm on large antelope in the bushveld here in SA, all the penetration you need, low meat damage and very effective. The USA is on some velocity crazed race, most of the great cartridges in Africa such as the 7x57, 9.3x62 use heavy bullets at modest velocity and they just plain work, the 308 win has very similar properties

[@wesleyallen1214]

@@ryane6719 heavy bullets suppressed great knock down and super quite

[@jhamelin119]

I use the .308 for tight quarter white tail hunting, shots well under 100 yards. Mainly because the rifle stock is cut down, easy to shoulder, light weight to carry. Hand loaded hornady interlocks, 165 grain 2700 FPS, puts 4 inch holes in the far side ribs, very little tracking required. 3006 is loaded for longer range shots.

[@ivanmcknight1691]

Love your stuff. I would challenge you though to compare the very best bullet in each cartridge. For example, why not compare the 7mm 08 150 gr to a 308 150 gr? The .308 win. is really versatile when we talk about bullets. You can shoot a 110 gr for varmits and a 125-220 gr bullet for small/medium sized game all the way up to elk. You don't see the versatility from other short actions that you do with a 308 win. A close family member of mine likes ar platform rifles and has both a 6.8 spc and 6.5 Grendel. Pushing a 120 gr around 2400-2600. I bought an ar 10 in 308 win and being a handloader used 125 gr bullets myself because I found that's what the rifle shot best....but at 2850 fps. Again it's really a versatile cartridge. Lots of people just like to try the new flavors I think. 308 win is vanilla cake but damn it can be so good when made right.

[@william16845]

I'm always going to love my 308s. They just do whatever job you ask it to do within its realistic capabilities,and 30cals just have a mean smack on steel that I love. But yes modern ballistic science has given us some cool stuff that I also love very much,,like the grendel and everything based off of it..

[@ChrisProsserZ06]

I've been using Barnes TTSX 150gr .308 and on the box it claims 2900 fps. If 200 fps more is that big of a deal there are factory loads that can already do it. Granted I haven't chrono'd it but I'd hope its not far off.

[@blindboyjonny]

The 6.5 does not have the weight necessary for heavier game I feel. A .308 Winchester with 130 grain Barnes TTSX comes from the factory at 3150 and is easily duplicated. That is equal to a .270. The versatility of the .308 is unmatched. Use a 110 grain or 100 grain to poke at vomits or a 200 grain to put all the way through a moose. Pretty hard to beat it for one stop rifle. Luckily my wife is benevolent and let me have, a couple of each cartridge more or less. Thanks for the great video.

[@phillhuddleston9445]

What makes the .308 affordable is the fact that you can shoot the 7.62x51 NATO cartridge out of it, basically the same cartridge just the .308 is slightly more powerful. The fact that the 7.62 NATO round has been in use with many militaries throughout the world for several decades means cheap ammo that many people use for practice if nothing else is and will be around for a long time to come. When other cartridges are not being produced because of military demand the NATO rounds are still being cranked out. Having said that if you are a fairly low volume rifle shooter who hand loads once you stock up on the brass of your favorite cartridge the rest is usually about the same price with similar availability so it really depends on how much you shoot, do you shoot forty rounds in a shooting session or 500?

[@RHEC501]

308 is the most universal cartridge.

[@mrmaphousa4349]

Mine 30 06, the original. 308

[@mr.mr.3301]

Nothing better here in the wooded east under 250 yards and mostly used under 150.

[@Simon-talks]

And still great out to 400 yrds

[@OhGawdHesGotAGun]

I studied the ballistics myself, I have a huge spreadsheet going here, trying to determine what caliber to get. I want to get into some long range shooting (though likely around 600m, not much further) and I want to be able to take a deer and/or elk with it. 6.5 PRC is at the top of my list in every way, the caliber just makes sense. Much like the 270, it's got this flat-shooting appeal beneath some larger calibers. Then I saw the price of 6.5PRC ammo. Basically, anything PRC is more expensive, but 6.5? Ouch. So my hunting/target caliber is likely going to be 7mm rem mag. I don't mind recoil, but I was considering what constitutes too much recoil for this purpose. A 6.5PRC's recoil is around ~16 ft-lbs. A 7mmRM's recoil around ~21-24 ft-lbs A 30-06's recoil around ~22-25 ft-lbs A 300 WinMag has recoil of ~30 ft-lbs. I'll be sportin' a 7mmRm, but it'll wish it was a 6.5PRC.

[@ivanmcknight1691]

308 win and 7mm rem mag are both my personal favorites. I bought a 6.5 prc to bridge the gap between the two and honestly to have a project rifle to develop a handload for. I loved the rifle itself but not the cartridge. I could not get anywhere near published velocities out of that cartridge. I'm not sure if I got a bad rifle or what. It shot really well but I couldn't get over 2915 fps with a 143 gr eldx. Over that I had signs of pressure and I was 2 gr under max charge. Everyone I know is running the 143 eldx at 2880-2915. To say the least I was very disappointed. Not the 3150 fps the reload manuals claim. I sold the rifle and replaced it with the exact clone but in 7mm rem mag which I'm very familiar with. Again another great shooter and obtained velocity consistent with reload manuals. The 7mm rem mag is another one people don't talk much about but is fantastic in my opinion. Good luck with your rifle.

[@Manbunmen65]

I have 2 6.5 PRCs both of them are two completely different guns. The Bergara shoots certain bullets much faster than box velocities. The Browning with not as many rounds down the barrel, is slower. Much slower. And maybe it is just that reason...not sure. Just a couple days ago I chronographed both firing Choice ammo 120 grain. Bergara 3283 fps. Browning 3160. The box is 3180. Who shoots eldx and then uses thar for their performance measurement ayways lol. You have to try many different loads. I used eldx to sight the guns in and practice. I am going to be reloading for the PRCs to get real magnum performance soon. The one load both my rifles fired very slow was the Barnes 127 LRX. Barnes I guess figured no one has chonographes and their published speed is 3010. My guns showed 2800s. Pathetic. So yeah I'm disappointed in the ammo manufacturing as well. So far Federal and Choice have been good.

[@markthegunplumber8376]

As a Gunsmith I'm not overly impressed by the 6.5 PRC to date this hunting season I have pulled 3. barrels people just couldn't make shoot well at all. All 3. were Carbon Fiber barrels 1. Proof and 2. Christensen and all were replaced with Stainless Steel one we changed to 6.8 Western with a Preferred Barrels #3 stainless and shoots great with factory ammo. I've built quite a few 7PRC rifles and they have been easy to find loads for. I had a 6.5-280 Ackley some time ago and it will spit 140s at 3200 fps if I thought i needed a hot 6.5 I'd do the 6.5-284 or the 6.5-280 Ackley since I don't buy factory ammo. I'm not overly impressed with any carbon fiber barrel I have shot yet versus the price paid i'll stay with stainless.

[@oldman-zr2ru]

Technically this guy proved the .308 is the best bullet out there. Three of the top ten cartridges use the .308 making it the most popular bullet. On top of that several of his picks use the .308 case making it the most popular case. He should have titled the video "Why the .308 is the best". Long live the king.

[@unknown-ou7pk]

A little surprised the 6.8 western wasn't mentioned.

[@MScholtz]

Here's the question I've asked myself for 2 years. What is the 2nd rifle. I have a 6.5Cm I dont feel a 308 adds anything to what that does. I need a heavier and a lighter gun. Lighter I've been looking around 243 and 6mm CM seems like the right answer maybe even 6 dasher. But I'd like you to do a video on that. And likewise heavier. The 30-06 .270 all contenders but what about 375h&h is that too much. In short. 1st gun a 308 / 6.5cm gives you a very versatile rifle. What do we do for one down and one up.

[@krookpd01]

@@MScholtz .243 down,,,,.300wsm up

[@markjohnson206]

Depends where you hunt. I’m in the east so 308 would be my versatile gun, but most hunting is under 150 yards. I’d rather have a smaller shorter lighter gun. A ranch in 762x39 or a 35 rem. If you live out west maybe a 308 and then a long range caliber like 300wsm makes more sense.

[@zacharymorris9917]

​@krookpd01 exactly what I was going to say. .243win

[@AllAboutSurvival]

I appreciate these comparisons-it just gives us more reasons to hit the range and experiment!

[@mikesauer7775]

Under 200yds you don't need more than a 308. It is very efficient grain for grain for velocity achieved. Over 200yds give me 300win mag

[@LaneHadway127]

Exactly. I have both. That's all that's needed.😅👍🏻

[@eric8851]

You are 💯 correct about the 6.5 grendel! It is turned into my goto deer rifle for close in work. 16" barrel is very easy in brush, and climbing.

[@elkhuntr2816]

6.5 creedmoor is known for its accuracy. Part of that is the power to weight ratio, right? Less recoil in a lighter rifle makes it shoot better, not just because of flinch. But because of the amount the rifle is moving and reacting while the bullet is still traveling down the barrel. So how is the 6.5 PRC compared to the creedmoor in the accuracy department in the same weight rifle? Can it match the creedmoor in accuracy, or will it be less accurate because of the increased power?

[@elkhuntr2816]

@@ajdube9967 Ballistically, yes, although the difference in wind drift isn't very much with the 143 eldx. The Creedmoor can still deliver 1000 ft-lbs of energy at 700 yards (5000ft elevation, 40 degrees). Although the PRC will shoot much flatter, making precised range estimations slightly less important. The PRC can deliver 1000 ft-lbs of energy out to about 900 yards. The question was about accuracy.

[@01nmuskier]

Also long bc puts the bullet into the leade more consistently across different rifles and cartridges. It's easier to mass produce rifles that aren't as ammo picky.

[@BrokeandBustdOutdoors]

I discovered the 7-08 last year and been in love every since and I always been a 308 guy and will continue to love the 308. Great video.. thanks

[@brianklamer3328]

Find it hard to believe 7mm PRC and 6.5 PRC hold 4th and 5th respectively. Rifles chambered in those cartridges are extremely poor seller here where I live and we do have a centerfire rifle season for Whitetail. Most guys are shooting .308, 30-06, and .270. Great video, thanks.

[@ivanmcknight1691]

Just curious what state are you in?

[@DRHODES1979]

Out west hunting mule deer and elk most guys are building or buying PRC's.

[@brianklamer3328]

@@DRHODES1979 I could see that with guys 35 or younger, older hunters will make do with a classic cartridge.

[@DRHODES1979]

@@brianklamer3328 I'm not sure it has anything to do with age. Gunwerks entire business model is selling to rich old guys who want the latest and greatest. I think it's more of your needs. Folks in the thick woods really don't have a huge need for the newest high BC projectiles, and so the Old faithful classics work perfectly. But when hunting open terrain in windy environments, very bit of ballistic performance can help. Don't get me wrong there are plenty of hunters out west still using classic cartridges, but the majority of the time if an old hunter is in the market for a new rifle, they are upgrading from their classic cartridge to the new modern designed cartridge.

[@brianklamer3328]

@@DRHODES1979 Sounds like Gunwerks rifles are designed for sporting snipers rather than stalk and shoot hunters.

[@AMckentuck]

I am surprised the 6.8 western wasn't on this list.

[@donaldbenedict9731]

Hey bring back the 300 Savage

[@Chris-td9uw]

That’s what I use

[@jimburkitt8165]

@@Chris-td9uw Good idea.

[@JamesWilliams-sk3qj]

I'm building a 280 AI bolt action rifle now myself. I think that it's one of the best calibers available! Thanks for the videos!

[@stump3514]

I LOVE how 308 is culturally considered good enough for elk but 6.5 creedmoor is considered anemic. Classic

[@edwardhoward4708]

Maybe because .308 makes a bigger hole? For a given powder capacity there is a trade-off between short range performance and long range performance. The larger bore will exit the barrel with more energy but the longer bullet will retain more of its energy. My calculations suggest that .308 and 6.5 Creedmoor are neck and next at 400 yards, with .308 having a little more energy but 6.5 CM having a little more velocity and less drop. Personally, I’d take .308 for a rifle that I want with barrel under 22 inches, and 6.5CM if I wanted 24 inches.

[@JoeJohnson-i9d]

6.5 is horrible for big game

[@stump3514]

@ if your compare the same type of bullet (ELDX to ELDX) for both calibers they both expand to over .600 inches creedmoor being .630-.650 and 308 being .660-.690 and both will penetrate gel to 23-26 inches (generally 6.5 creedmoor penetrates deeper). Yes the 308 has slightly more energy out to 400 but when both bullets perform essentially the same terminally why do people say 308 is good to go and 6.5 creedmoor isn’t yet they PERFORM essential the same?? I argue the creedmoor kills things dead just as good as 308 and most people hate on it because a lack of knowledge and bias.

[@stump3514]

@@JoeJohnson-i9d I have several dead elk that say otherwise

[@MisterBrewer]

My Ruger M77 Hawkeye Hunter with 20 inch threaded stainless barrel shoots the Terminal Ascent 175 Grainers in about half inch 3 shot groups with w 2-7 power scope. And its pretty.

[@therighttoolcompany868]

Your videos are always so informative with lots of great data and good comparisons. I enjoy watching them. My question is why do certain cartridges that clearly are superior not become popular? The one example I think about would be the 7rsum. It was interesting. You didn’t choose it in comparison to the 308. You chose the 280 Ackley improved which does not edge out the 7RSUM. Quoting your own words. I once heard you say that one of the best rifles you could have would be the 7SRUM and just reload it yourself because the ballistics are superior. Why does Cartridges like this not become popular. How much of this is just marketing? How much of this is shooters? Are we old-fashioned and don’t like change. Yet we love innovation. In the pistol calibers the cartridge that I still don’t understand It’s lack of popular . would be the 460 Rowland. It has ballistics that are comparable to a 44 magnum and you can get it in a really good semi automatic platform. This should be the best pistol to take on bear defense. In my opinion. Love to hear your thoughts about why these calibers just don’t reach top popularity. What happens in the Marketing world and in the shooter world that they are not seen for what they are? Again, thank you for your videos. I watch them regularly.

[@gdaytrees4728]

Thank you for your post. I see that i am not alone about the 7mm Remington short action ultra magnum, and especially the .460 Rowland ( the very best semi-auto handgun cartridge ever).

[@therighttoolcompany868]

@@gdaytrees4728 it is amazing to me. That performance is not the category of excellence. These two cartridges are by far in the excellent category. And yet they are so overlooked. It truly is a puzzle to me. But it’s good to know there are others out there who do not only go by advertising or the new newest greatest latest. But look to performance. The shame of it is if these became as popular as the 308 or the 9 mm the price would be so low and affordable.

[@logancaraway8773]

Good video. You got me thinking hard about the 6.5 PRC but I love my .308. The fact that so many cartridges get compared to it speaks volumes for the 308 in my opinion.

[@jakep15]

People getting so offended for no reason, he’s made a few of these “better than” videos. He’s just showing stuff that’s better in certain ways lol. Not saying not to use a 308

[@АлакПатрова]

I mean they are .308 people and decided not to decide but let popularity decide.

[@GaryHart69]

6.5cm is slightly less energy than .308 up until you get to about 400yds, then it actually overtakes .308 in retained energy downrange due to the better B.C. And a120gr-130gr bullet out of a 6.5cm... after you've been used to .308 in 168gr? Oh Man! Night and day difference in how pleasant it is to shoot on the shoulder! And for us that was out of a Howa Superlite too! (4Lbs 7oz before scoping it) Elk is not realistically ever gonna be on my menu down here in SoCal, so Daddy is seriously considering replacing his .308win Hunting rig with another 6.5cm (This first one I bought as my son's first big-game rifle. But I fell in LOVE the Moment I felt how light it was, AND how light is was on the shoulder after I touched-off that first round! I've had athro-scopic surgery in shooting shoulder, and I have a "custom-bend" to that clavicle on my shooting-side which makes a butt-pad only rest upon like a Quarter-sized contact patch against my body, when in prone.) Not only that... after sighting in the scope? Then coaching my son on lil touch-ups to how he was holding/stabilizing the rifle on the bench. I instructed him to try for one of the other empty new Bullseye rings available on the target that was setup... And Son of a Biscuit-Eating-Basketball-Player if he didn't LITERALLY hit in the red center on that new fresh bullseye! I was soo shocked, I told him to move over to the next fresh un-shot-at one and try it again. And Son of B if he didn't hit the red center the 2nd shot as well!!! (w/ the regular Barnes TSX 130gr, not even the tipped!) Was soo jazzed for him to have such a positive experience with it first time out!

[@ozada7585]

.308 will never disappear

[@Aaron-hr5bb]

I lived and hunted for 40 years in Colorado elk country and slept in my own bed at night. I have taken elk with a .308, .270, 7mm Rem Mag and .30-06 at ranges from 5 to 475 yards and only got skunked 3 or 4 years. Except for the 5 yard kill with the .308 all were one shot kills as far as I can recall. The 5 yard kill would have been one shot, if I hadn't been too spooked at the close range to allow 30 seconds for the first shot that turned the heart to a lump of jelly to take effect. My go-to "Ol Betsy" was my Ruger 77 30-06 with a custom 26 inch medium sporter barrel and 180 gr. Hornady Light Mag ammo. I agree with most of your "better choices" except the 6.5 Creedmoor. On the other hand, the best and most successful elk hunter I ever met was an old wrangler who used his Winchester 94 in .25-35 WCF from 1934 to 1984. He got one shot kills at 5 feet to 10 yards (archery range!) and always came home with an elk. I had to reload his last box of ammo because he couldn't find it anymore in stores. He wanted to move up to a .300 Savage and won the money for one betting another cowboy that he could rope a pronghorn. But his wife needed new pans for her diner and that took precedence. If I hadn't built a new .270 a few years ago, I would be very interested in the 6.5 PRC. But I leave most of the hunting to my kids and grandkids now and offer advice from a rocking chair.

[@hispeedbullet2661]

I’ve been using the .280 AI for about 30 years. I love the.308 but the .280 AI gives a substantial performance boost and when you are on an expensive hunt, having the extended range can be a game changer. It’s been borne out in my personal experience.

[@charlieb.7652]

Never a mention of the 260 Rem, which steps up the 6.5 Needmore.

[@RON-m8c]

🤔 When You Factor in Ammunition Cost, Ammunition Availability, Recoil, Ethical Hunting Ranges, etc... The 270 Winchester is a Better "Balanced Choice" Than Any of Them! 😜

[@Degan1000]

Thanks for showing the .270 some love. And you are correct.

[@robertdewalt8711]

With my 30.06, I replaced trigger with trigger X field trigger, put into Magpul 700 stock and replace factory barrel with 26” heavy fluted barrel with m18 muzzle break. 10 shots with 165gr interlock SST I got average velocity of 2884 fps and standard deviation was 25.2 fps. I am also liking how tight the groupings are now. Very happy with new barrel. With extra recoil pads on Magpul 700, I no longer get bruises on shoulder after firing 20 to 30 shots

[@chadperry4021]

The 308 is the equivalent of a coworker who is only employed because they always show up. Not because they actually good at the job.

[@dmw3086]

I think of it as more the jack of all trades master of none. There’s a lot of things it’s mid tier to good at. Its just not great or phenomenal at anything

[@chadperry4021]

@@dmw3086 I was trying to say something similar without actually saying that. It is true, but I still consider it the ideal ar-10 cartridge.

[@goodnewseverybody739]

Grandpa’s 30-06 didn’t have a recoil pad, they only put those on magnums back then. Now even .223’s have sissy pads😅

[@michaelthrelkeld212]

I would think the old tried and true .270 would be there

[@chadperry4021]

Did four people not watch the video it is there.

[@seller559]

.270 is in a class of its own.

[@michaelthrelkeld212]

@ I know it is, I was making a comment that it should be as it is

[@msimonton76]

Id guess anyone watching this video and commenting are more into shooting/hunting sports than a rookie level. That said its ok to have more than one tool at your disposal. I like my .308 but am branching out with more pew pews to have fun, learn, and hunt with. Really appreciate Jim's content as very helpful for me to learn.

[@terrys4225]

6.8 Western really rocks!!!

[@MrAntuan25]

Yes sir🎉

[@guildig1]

Great job you have convinced me my next firearm will be chambered in 308. I looking into the Ruger American gen 2 ranch rifle 16.1 barrel chambered in 308 I am not planning on hunting past 300 yards.

[@CSchmiz]

Your ammo spreadsheet shows the 308 only at 2600 fps. If you consider a 150 grain or lower rather than 175+ the velocity is capable of reaching much higher numbers, even exceeding 3000 fps. The drop chart would look much less significant

[@MauserM18]

It’s because he manipulates numbers to favor his chosen cartridges

[@ToysForTheGods]

I have only hunt elk with one gun, so I can't really speak on how it performs compared to other cartridges, but my Save Model 16 is chambered in .270 WSM. It has been a great cartridge for elk. That is the biggest animal I hunt, and I only get to do it every other year as it is a bit of traveling for me to do so. But I have had no complaints with my rifle selection. The recoil is manageable enough and it shoots pretty flat.

[@c3outdoors]

7mm-08 should be way more popular. Always confusing to me!

[@lluwd]

260 Remington has been around 10 years longer than creed. It’s an amazing cartridge, it’s so underrated.

[@outfitr9703]

Without watching the whole thing let me guess, the 6.5 needmore. 😂

[@crownember560]

I find people that call 6.5 creedmore the needmore but you ask them if 243 is a good hunting cartridge and they are like "yea thatd the best thing to learn on. Nothing better for a light cartridge. Some people like to just dog on the same thing.

[@endo71]

My first rifle was a .308. I now have a 6.5 Creedmoor, a 300 win mag, and many others. The .308 still comes out of the safe more than anything else. Just simple, effective, and trustworthy. Love it!

[@texpatriot8462]

The only cartridges that "compete" with the 308 are Short Action Cartridges and non-magnum LA rounds. Magnum rounds are for different applications. Top Comp = 6.5CM, 7-08, 270, 6mm CM, 6.8W. Btw - Texas gun stores have plenty of 270 options on the shelves.

[@InWithBothFeet]

Now limit your range to a long east coast 250-300 yds and all that "it shoots flatter" mostly goes away. I was considering buying a 16.5" 308 bolt gun and handloading it with light bullets to 300 Savage velocities. Mild, easy recoiling medium game, medium range cartridge in a short easy to handle rifle.

[@tandtoutdoors5154]

I see you like to stir the pot sir!!! Lol the old timers are gonna come out of the woodwork.

[@aeon136]

LMAO!🤣

[@DRHODES1979]

I love when you compare the numbers of the cartridges, but it would really be nice to see the energy at 400 yards also. It would demonstrate how those higher BC bullets retain energy the further out they go.

[@CoryHarrison-js6ph]

Say 7PRC and 300WM are the same thing when there’s a huge ballistic advantage on your very own chart, yet go on to say the 280AI has a huge ballistic advantage to the 308 when the differences basically mirror the 7PRC vs 300WM. Overall I like your content, but man you say some dumb shit sometimes and it just makes you seem like you don’t know what you’re talking about while you’re talking in circles.

[@m444ss]

speaking of recoil: I shoot a 270 Win in a wood stock - total weight with scope, loaded mag and Backstop recoil pad = 8-1/3 lb, and I barely notice the recoil. this point was brough home last week when I randomly had my left hand on the bench just behind the trigger guard. while i felt virtually nothing on my shoulder, I felt plenty on my left hand. not only let me know not to put my hand their again but also that my recoil pad really (!) works.

[@carlhunter2448]

300RUM.... why when you could go 338RUM... just kidding. I've never shot anything with the 338RUM. I love my 45-70 too much. 30+ animals and have never drew blood on an animal that didn't end up in the freezer. Never tracked an animal more than 200 yards. But i have never had a shot over 200 yards... so, there is that... short and sweet...

[@darrelbeach6585]

You mention the 6.5 Grendel in the AR platform. Would like to see you compare the 6.5 Grendel with the 6.8 SPC II in equal rifles, i.e. both with 16 inch barrels. Modern 6.8 SPC II barrels and ammo sends a 110gr bullet at 2700+-fps and I think it has better terminal effects than the 6.5G in AR carbines.....IMHO. The difficulty is ammo supply and bullet choice....but it is still a great AR cartridge.

[@scootermills162]

The 308win is superior. Its a very sufficient cartridge With powders. And the bullets range are from 110-250 its a do it all cartridge. You need to do more research on the 308!

[@anthonytanksley6470]

The fact that it takes 6 differnt cartridges to take down one says enough about that one cartridge

[@beestoe993]

"Dog pile on the old guy"! 🙄

[@galenhaugh3158]

Only had enough money for one rifle--got a 270 Winchester Featherweight back in '67 for $120. Great gun for a great price and I never looked back!

[@Wickedtrucker75]

I would say it’s more about being able to stay in your scope after the shot… and a 6mm will leave a bigger wound channel then most 30 caliber rifles… an elk /moose has a very large vital zone. If you punch the lungs .. it’s dead…

[@jesuslovesyoujohn314-21]

A great guide on hunting rounds, thanks!