Enjoyed video. I’m all on board with Joseph’s pick for all around cartridge in the .280AI. I have 2 rifles in that chambering and I also hand load, so I’m able to take advantage of the efficiency, bullet choice including different weights, inherit accuracy, and low recoil. 7mm PRC very impressive with unlimited amount of marketing. Just don’t see a whole lot of difference between that cartridge and 7mag until distance beyond 600 yards where twist comes into play with factory cartridge offerings that were designed by Hornady for the 7PRC. It’s ballistics are impressive. Thanks again for the video!

338 Federal seems like a very sensible, all around cartridge that should have been more popular.

Are you near the Tyler area??? No idea you were in ETX

My two favorite podcasters together. I’d have most of the same picks that one of chose for each type of game. Eastern white tail which I’ve never hunted but probably pick a straight wall cartridge like 350 legend. All around have to go 300wm.

Watch Ron Sooners interview with Hornady. They explain it.

Because of the war in Ukraine the original powder is not available.

I am of the opinion that 7 PRC will gradually replace 300 Win Mag as the do-all cartridge. Significantly higher BCs with comparable bullet weights, while only giving up a small amount of velocity and imparting noticeably less recoil. Yes, the Win Mag can go heavier if you need it, but I think 190+ grains is straying out of practical territory, and in that area the 300 PRC has it pretty significantly outclassed.

GREAT show y’all!

The old guy from Alaska who was on Ron spomer who uses a 458 win mag for moose and grizz

Isn’t this the Joseph getting all the hate as a bad hunter ? If so why listen to him at all egotistical pos

Great content

What interests me in concept is a cartridge equal to the 280AI in ballistic performance… but… in a short action. The 280AI is popular for light weight mountain rifles so a short action 280AI equivalent is even better for that application. It occurs to me that a 6.8 Western necked up to 0.284” would accomplish this and could be made from 300WSM Lapua brass. Cheers!

I already have a 6.8 western its called a 270wsm no reason to even come out with that cartridge waste of time

Whats your thoughts for antelope, mule deer, Rky Mtn Big Horn and Elk, ( not necessarily Moose ) using the 6.5 PRC and All copper TSX or TTSX on all of them ? I have shot 2 cow Moose and one "once in a lifetime" Bull Moose all with 30-06. Also shot a Mtn Goat in 2010, "once in a lifetime" as well, using a friend's 300 Win Mag about 375 yards.

WHAT ABOUT 7MM-08 WTH 150 GRAIN ABLR OR 145 GRAIN LRX

Great video gents!

Great reporting, thanks

I really enjoyed this video. 30-06 for everything

Such a fun and interesting game between two of my favorite cartridge nerds out there. Always a joy to get you and JVB together. I listen to his podcast a lot so many of his choices I predicted as well. I too am saddened by Winchester/Browning not marketing and supporting the 6.8 Western like they did with their 350 Legend. That’s why Hornady usually wins since they are not a rifle company and can and will have multiple manufacturers chamber their cartridges. My youngest brother has a 6.8 Western to team up with his 270 Win and loves it now that he found a couple loads it likes.

great video. 475 Turnbull was necked down from the 50-110, if I'm not mistaken. 45-70+p and 450 Marlin do a great job on bison also ...and a bit more practical. :-) my comparatively uninformed selections: eastern whitetail: 308 w/ 150g tsx mule deer/western whitetail: 6.8 western w/ 162g copper impact pronghorn: 25-06 w/ 100g ttsx coues deer: 270win w/ 130 ttsx feral hogs: 30-30 w/ 150g tsx black bear over bait: 45-70 w/ 350g tsx-fn black bear stalk: 30-06 w/ 165g ecx elk: 338rcm w/ 210g ttsx moose: 35 whelen w/ 225g tsx brown/grizzly: 9.3x62 w/ 250g tsx bison: 450 marlin w/ 430g lbt-lfn sheep/mt goat: 280ai w/ 140g e-tip plains game: 300wsm w/ 180g trophy copper thick skin dangerous game: 416 rigby w/ 400g dgs best all around not including dangerous game: 30-06 best all around including dangerous game: 9.3x62

I would like to know where he is finding factory 280 AI ammo. I had a 280 AI rifle, later wanted to get another one, but I don't remember when I have last seen any 280 AI factory ammo available. Definitely not on any store shelves.

The Swiss P also means that 338 Lapua rifles could be rechambered to 500 Jeffery with only a barrel swap, and the 9.3 Brenneke is awesome in the SVDK and Tigr 9.

30-30 for eastern whitetails!

Interesting episode John, good to hear you guys talking about your North American game animals, gives us hunters ,in other parts an idea of your thoughts & calibre choices. I enjoyed listening.

Love the conversations. Most of us can only dream of owning all those rifles, but oh well. Always fun to listen. I'm very partial 70 the .277 and .284 calibers.

What are your thoughts on the 7X64 in relation to the 280 Ackley?

I using the 170g terminal ascent ammo this year too.

You kind of gave yourself an unfair advantage.

Thanks for the video, one of the best of its kind.

1st!!

My 450 Watts Magnum (similar to the 458 Lott) has accounted for 1 Elephant, 1 Hippo, 1 Cape Buffalo, 2 warthogs & 2 deer. The extra velocity helped on my 96 yard hippo shot.

🤠 Because I Live in a Colder Climate, I Only Hunt With Temperature Stable Powders! 🥶If the 7mm prc Can Only Give Me a Maximum of 50 ft/s More Velocity - Using a175 grain bullet - Than the 280 AI (Which Certainly Doesn't Have "Sloppy Chamber"/"Match Grade Chamber Issues" - Though I Have No Problems Shooting My 270 Winchester or 30-06 Anyway), Then Give Me the 280 AI! 🤑 Besides, It Gives Me Additional Rounds in The Magazine - To Insure That the Big Bull Elk Stays On the Ground, Without Needing to Reload! 🦌

🙄 If You Wanted a 7mm Cartridge That Could Push a 175 grain Bullet Over 3,000 ft/s From a 24" Barreled Standard Action Length Cartridge and Do It in a Temperature Stable Powder, Nosler Lists The 7mm WBY Magnum Doing So With 74 grains of H1000 Powder and at a Velocity of 3,008 ft/s! 😜 Problem Solved! 👨‍⚖ There is Nothing New Under The Sun (🌞) - Because "Newer" Doesn't Necessarily Mean "Better"! 🤣

My 300win does 2950fps with sierra 200gr. Standard length action. 300rum whoop dee do

Could you do a 35 whelen vs 9.3x62 comparison? I heard they have similar ballistics.

Your data would be correct if the velocity of the 7prc was correct with factory ammo. However it's 150 fps slower.

Great job John. The podcast is great and so are the videos. I encourage you to do more videos, time permitting. Hornady is a great company and has delivered great products to hunters and shooters. I am hopeful they will they rectify this situation when they can.

The higher velocity looks like alliant RL 25 or 26?

Even at 2860 that 140 extra fps don't make or break it as a good round for me. If i were hand loading thats probably right around what i would aim for anyway. They should have been open and honest about it, not defending their choice. Just saying for me personally this would not be a factor that deters me from buying a 7prc. If it is a deal breaker for you then just buy federal... or handload and probably safely get over 3000fps. I believe berger list a max charge at 3100fps with their 180s Forgot to add: awesome video very well put together and to the point! I am curious did you see an accuracy difference between the federal and hornady? Seeing as thats something hornady mentioned and also why i said thats probably a velocity i would aim for as i have found that 2850ish seems to be a good node for a few magnum calibers.

All three

6.5 Grendel!

I got 2864 out of my Bergara HMR 24". Disappointed

I expected to see a lot of comments supporting the 270 and 25.06 because they have been great deer calibers for many decades and if it's not broken, why fix it? And i do see those comments everywhere. Just wanted to say I bought a Benelli Lupo bolt-action 6.5 Creedmore, 26" barrel, and I absolutely love it for long range shooting with the Hornady 129 gr interlock rounds, minimal win drift and recoil. I also have a gigantic Leupold 3-15 x 44mm scope on it. I think it's the perfect varmint/deer/antelope/target shooting rifle and I still got my Browning BAR 7mm Magnum and Browning A-Bolt .338 for bigger critters like Elk, Moose, and Bear.

I inherited a Winchester firing the 405 Winchester round . From everything I’ve found it was made for Teddy Rosevelt 3:28

I inherited a Winchester pre-64 in the 270 Winchester area 5 boxes of Winchester super x Silver tips 130 gr. This combo has essentially explosive power. In Utah in 1960 my Uncle hit a 210 mule deer in blew a hole that you could get your fist in, literally.

I hahe a ruger Hawkeye M 77 in 308 with a Hawke 3-9×40 scope ... Great gun & good calibre

6.8 Western is where it's at. 7 PRC is a dud.

I've had a 300WM in a Ruger No 1B before and loved it.I was shooting 200gr Partitions at an honest 3050fps with no pressure signs.Yes,that was a max lod,but a safe load.I used it to kill an elk and it did just fine,and I shot the elk under 100yds.My brother also used the same load in his Browning A Bolt and shot his bull at 250yds and dropped it in it's tracks,pretty much.The elk rolled down hill about 20yds. Though the recoil is a little on the stout side,the A Bolt is the only gun I've been scope kissed by,it is very manageable if you practice.When I shot my elk,I didn't even notice the recoil,as is the case pretty much with all shots at game.I can't claim vast experience like you and many other people though.I have thought about buying a light magnum to replace that 300 and have considered the 6.8 Western and the 7PRC.Here I actually like the 6.8 better,on paper.It virtually gives up nothing to the PRC,the only problem is that nobody is really supporting it the way they have the PRC. This is due to Winchester not releasing it to the industry the way Hornady has.Marketing, marketing, marketing,that is the true issue.Great video and keep up the good work.

The “thump” of the.35 Whelan , is extremely underrated ! 🇨🇦

I'm surprised you didnt include the 6.5-308, aka 6.5 Creedmoor, in this discussion. Of the four, I find the 243 and 7-08 to be the most usefull. The 6.5 CM is superfluous when compared to the 243 and 7-08. And the 308 has the advantage of using military ammo. All 4 are good choices for deer. The 243 isnt just a great cartridge for ladies, children, and small guys. It's an outstanding choice for us old geezer hunters who's bodies are so worn out a heavy recoiling rifle can injure us in the field. An 80 gr TTSX at 3400 fps is a force to be reckoned with.