7mm PRC vs 7mm Backcountry

[@MissouriBoatRide420]

No clue if 7 backcountry will succeed, but I’m certain glad it’s out there. We need creative stuff like this to push the industry forward even if it sucks at first. We should give technologies like this time too. So many of today’s gun influencers would’ve likely wanted to dump the M16 during its initial troubles. Will your old rem mag/win mag/30-06 etc work damn well? Yes, heck I own a rem mag and am certainly not going to swap it out. But we should still support stuff like this. Plus it’s cooler

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks for your comment

[@jeffreydoebler8367]

From a hunting standpoint if you already have a 7mm rem mag save your money

[@jfess1911]

Modern magnum cartridges will be around for a very long time and might well remain preferred for those who want long range accuracy and don't mind the longer barrels. However, I do see that high-pressure cartridges like the 7mm Backcountry and 277 SIG Fury have significant advantages in two areas: Shorter barrels and "dual identity" use. A smaller volume of propellant burning faster to reach higher chamber pressures does more work in the first few inches of the bullet's travel in the barrel. There are hunters who want a shorter barrel for suppressor use or want a rifle to be more handy in the woods. Ironically, Hornady's CEO, Steve Hornady was an early proponent of shorter barrels and there still are commercials on YT from 2009 with him touting the RCM cartridges from compact rifles. In an interview from a couple of years ago, he reiterated that he still considered the 338 RCM in a 20" barrel the best single overall cartridge for North American game. By "dual identity", I mean that with lower pressure and less expensive brass-cased loads it can also compete with traditional deer rifles in the 280 Rem/7mm-08 class. In large areas of the country, those less expensive (and easy-to-reload) lower pressure ammo may will be most popular option*. I suspect that a brass-cased 280 Backountry could also provide typical 7mm-08 performance but in a suppressed or "woods rifle" with a 16-18" barrel. Yes, it is also possible to download a traditional magnum, but I have not heard of it being done very often. • I live in an area where many hunters have never taken a shot over 200 yards, but shoot a 7mm Mag. They can only afford one good rifle/scope combo and dream of a trip "Out West" where they might need the extra power and range provided by a magnum cartridge.

[@eduardoolaechea]

"The peasants may be conned by every pitchman that introduces a new super magnum, but the members of the cognoscenti stick with classic calibers." - Jack O'Connor.

[@mmorris6341]

Jack would be busy proving the validity of the creed if he were around today.

[@maxximus2012]

we should all still be using pinfire blackpowder guns

[@eduardoolaechea]

@@mmorris6341 No match for his .270 winchester loads inside 600 yards.

[@mmorris6341]

@ there is a reason he felt compelled to prove the 270 was viable.

[@feuerland81]

This is probably the reason why it is marketed specifically towards hunters who wants a short barrel with a suppressor. The name itself and the Peak alloy logo is directed straight at hunters as opposed to Hornady's approach to focus on precision first. We'll see soon enough but I think brass is so much easier to work with anyway.

[@biggs8729]

From what I heard, early releases of ammunition from Federal to the guntubers for testing was all over the place, large SD's and bad groups. More than one of them said that the SD's tightened up and accuracy got a lot better as Federal perfected the load. Backfire was showing great SD's and even though he did not show the groups, he said they were really good. Still waiting for him to release his second, more in-depth review of the cartridge and Horizon rifle.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

We will see...

[@johnagen3688]

I'll stick to a 7rem mag!

[@BrandonKilby-r2z]

I would like to ask a question and if you want for you to answer it. Do you think federal dropped the ball on this new alloy case by not releasing it in legacy cartridges like 308, 30-06, 7mm08 and so on? I understand that it would have to have the "not for use in all rifles" lawyer writing like 45-70 does but a 80000psi 7mm08 giving 7prc performance that also allows you to load sweet and mild brass sounds amazing to me.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I think Federal would eventually want to do that.

[@portersorensen8814]

There’s nothing saying they can’t still release new cartridges in that material. Plus 280 is still one I would for sure consider a legacy cartridge and that is what the 7BC is based on

[@DrewEdwardBacklas]

Handloaders have been doing what you suggest with 277 fury brass. 7mm-08ai on a sig steel based case.

[@BeaterJeep]

One thing that the YT channels taught me…… high pressure (max pressure) is an accuracy killer……echoed here

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I'm trying to become a better handloader... My best accuracy isn't found at the highest pressures.

[@nootnuh]

Great comparison. Thanks. My main concern with Federal and Remington ammo is their sale to Czechoslovak Group. This sales should never been allowed to happen.

[@Paul-q3m7k]

I’m not anti Hornady but I think it’s the future of firearms . For me to burn out a barrel it would take about 10 years with the amount I shoot my hunting rifles . I do most of my practice with my 6.5 cm and 22lr . For most hunters I don’t think burning out a barrel in 1500 shots or so is an issue. You didn’t mention that here but did in another video . You call it not accurate due to one rifle you’ve seen not shoot it well. Ron spomer and backcountry both shot that ammo very well . Not really fair to judge accuracy off of that one rifle . Also , federal is working with one of the big reloading companies to designs presses that can reload it like brass . I think in time we will see this technology take over the market . The hunting market at least.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks for watching

[@carlfall815]

What I heard is that some of the first loads that Federal was handing out had accuracy issues and they weren't the final loads. They sent out a second batch and from what I hear they fixed the accuracy issues and its shooting pretty good.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I would like to see the ES of the new ammo.

[@RoxVrod]

The 7mm Backcountry reminds me of Sig's 277 Fury cartridge. The military wanted to utilize short barrel (10 -12 inch) suppressed M4 rifles for CQB fighting. So, Sig created the 277 Fury which uses a hybrid steel base and brass for higher pressures. Federal is targeting the hunter that use a suppressor. Not sure how large that market is, which likely dictate the profitability of the Backcountry line. I am with you. I will stay with the traditional brass cartridges for factory and hand load ammunition.

[@brettblose1658]

I hunt with a suppressor, I only know one other person that does and dozens that don't. I think if you spend your time online and at gun enthusiast conventions you can mistakenly draw the conclusion that far more people are using suppressors than actually are.

[@hunt1198]

I love your honest opinions.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks. I may be wrong on this... but we will see

[@kingy300wby]

Some great information for those who like to jump on every new thing that comes along,

[@Accuracy1st]

This should be good. I'm hearing and reading the same intel about inaccuracy. At the end of the day, what difference does any cartridge make in any particular rifle if the accuracy doesn't make us say WOW? I love new stuff. I'm open to innovation. I think the 7mm Backcountry concept is great. Many of us have our criteria that must be met when it comes to our ammunition and rifles. Jim at Backfire says, "if it doesn't feed, it doesn't hunt." If I have a rifle, for example, that I had built with my chosen components, and it doesn't shoot to my satisfaction, and quickly, I MAY consider the time and effort to rebarrel it so long as the barrel maker replaces it at no cost to me (which I've never had to do so far) - but that rifle will be parting ways with this household if it doesn't shoot half MOA or better with little effort. Same for a factory rifle. I'll extend every consideration to any new rifle with a variety of factory ammo first, then handloads. Crappy groups equals new home - not staying here. The point is, if we end up shackled to factory ammo in a 7mm Backcountry and it's mediocre at best, I'll stick with what I have and continue to carry that extra 8 inches of barrel around. I've somehow been able to manage those excessively heavy rifles (9 pounds) in British Columbia, Alberta, New Brunswick, Ontario, Maine, Colorado, Wyoming, Texas, Alabama, South Dakota, South Carolina - since 1985. Not sure how I managed all those miles without a 16 inch barrel and suppressor. I say give it time, let Federal and the rifle makers iron out glitches. The 7mm Backcountry (and likely the 6.5, 6mm, 30 cal coming) may turn out to be outstanding. The handloading part is what is most important to me. Time will tell if we can and how much more it will cost to do so

[@rickeylahey2152]

Well said!

[@aaronbrown9156]

One of the rifle manufacturers was able to get the Barnes LRX down to .2 MOA.

[@daltonv5206]

There's been one report from one group of mediocre accuracy. And everybody else has had good accuracy. I wonder what the difference is

[@GeneralObeseus]

280 AI vs 7mm Backcountry!

[@Paul-q3m7k]

That’s not even close bud .

[@davidlantz4560]

@@Paul-q3m7k oh why you think that? In 3 to 5 years we're see if anybody is still talking about that 7mm backcountry....I don't think it's going to work out.... LMFAO 😂

[@davidlantz4560]

Same as all the rest of federal made stuff...big hype an it fails... LMFAO 😂

[@rockie307]

Not a comparison even the 30-06 has factory ammo that beats 280 ai.

[@willieungerer4312]

​@rockie307 Interesting ? I would love to see your data ? Even if I go on Nosler load data. Most of the 30-06 bullets are more or less 100fps slower and .284 has better bc when you compare the same weight.

[@LittleCrowGunworks]

Ok, I have my popcorn ready...

[@msa4548]

The backcountry is designed around people that hunt with suppressors and want more velocity with the shorter barrel to keep it manageable.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Yes it is. It's just not a long range precision cartridge. And for the vast majority of people that's okay.

[@msa4548]

@ReloadingWeatherby I see nothing wrong with that, most people (myself included) aren't capable of shooting past 500 yards. But a short, suppressed rifle that can easily handle elk, bear and moose is still something.

[@SLOWELK307]

I’ve been waiting for this one!

[@nozrep]

i dunno man i’m not a reloader and only an occasional recreational hunter but i watched the Spomer/Benedict video on it yesterday and it was pretty good. And Benedict had his 11 year old daughter take a bear with it already. Eleven! So jealous, I never shot no stinkin’ bear😅 Anyways as an outsider and recreational shooter I think I am still able to understand your points. Nevertheless, I speculate also that Federal marketing department maybe knows that a lotta people type a lot of things about their shooting abilities online but that most shooters do not enter precision shooting competitions on the regular and usually shoot their animal within 400 yards. And if it does what it says on the box then like u said, they gonna be taking some of the market on that vs Hornady. Anyways I admit i am totally speculating. Not even gonna buy one. Cuz i gotta stay in my lane of budget hunter until i save up more or get promoted or make some killer trades😅

[@DrewEdwardBacklas]

Well we agree on one thing. It looks like powders in the burn rate necessary to hit 80k psi in this case do not include very temp stable consistent options.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Probably not... but maybe Federal has access to it

[@biggs8729]

Still waiting for someone to do a suppressor explanation on this. No one has explained if it is even safe to run this cartridge in a short barrel thru a suppressor. I think, even though it's 80,000 in the chamber, it won't be much, if any, more than a normal cartridge produces at the muzzle. A fast burning powder does not necessarily produce more gasses than a slower powder, it just burns faster, giving that initial spike of pressure in the chamber. I think a fast burning powder could even reduce pressure at the muzzle as the powder will have completely consumed it's self before it gets to the end of the muzzle. Slow powders burn all the way down the barrel and in short barrels, are still burning when they leave the muzzle, producing the large fireball. We need a reloading physics guy to weigh in on this.

[@1999fxdx]

Sounds like a good pistol idea.

[@EternalClimb]

Pre-liking this just because I've been waiting for it :-)

[@TheWVgoodguy22]

Excellent perspective. Accuracy, consistency and ease of use including reloading beats pure speed. Even though speed kills and helps. You already know that I want a left handed 7mm with a threaded barrel to go in between my old classic LH 270 Win that is unthreaded and my right handed 300 WSM that has a muzzle brake. Probably stick with either the 7 PRC, 280 AI or 7 Rem Mag.

[@Accuracy1st]

Wonder if Federal had the foresight to consider making these new high pressure cases - steel alloy - in cartridges already in existence. Of course we'd still be relying on factory ammo accuracy but imagine if they said, "here ya go, try our new 7PRC, 7RemMag, 300PRC, 300WM, 6.5PRC, 300WSM terminal ascent ammo with our new steel alloy case at 80,000" hmmmmmm. May be in the works?

[@ericsalazar2337]

I was thinking reloading it was not going to be as easy as brass, I was figuring you’d have to have all new tools for that one case but 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@daltonv5206]

Not a reloader. I'll pick one up this year. Most likely a Seekins ph3 if i can get my hands on one. Quick change barrel and bolt head so if the round dies i can always change easily down the road. It's going to make one hell of a hunting round. A lot of people mention or focus on how it extends your hunting distance. I dont plan on shooting anything at 800yds, but having that higher/extra energy at 3-400 yds without any extra recoil is a nice bonus for me.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

It will be sweet for you! Have fun!

[@alexmills1329]

I’ve extremely doubtful that the steel alloy is so ductile that you need 12 passes to form the case, it will probably require carbide dies and more powerful presses because it has higher yield strength, but these are relatively simple engineering challenges to overcome.

[@portersorensen8814]

One thing I will add is that your simulation is accounting for known case volume of brass cased 280 rem/ai. Steel could change the case wall thickness which would show a pretty significant shift in case volume. Plus a blanket statement of a lack of precision due to 80k psi doesn’t seem relevant. Only time will tell I guess

[@mmorris6341]

Federal could just use case technology in all other chamberings and probably delete a few other ammunition companies. I’m glad they didn’t choose that route from the start but it will more than likely be what ends up happening.

[@brianklamer3328]

I'll keep my Savage 110 rebarreled in 280 AI with a 24" Criterion and 1-8 twist.

[@randysmith8604]

Spot on !!!

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks for watching

[@rosswitte]

Well said.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks for watching

[@umbertoharo3841]

I personally think it's great new case technology hopefully they make it in standard cartridges.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks for commenting and watching

[@PonderosaOutdoors-20-gauge]

Fantastic video. That earned you my subscription. So for a Gucci-priced ammunition that costs essentially double the cost of "regular" Federal Premium factory ammo, one still doesn't get fantastic performance out past 400 yards. Funnily enough, my sub-MOA Tikka T3x in .30-06 Sprg with factory Federal Premium Berger Hybrid Hunter 168-grain ammunition will certainly get it done inside 400 yards, accurately, for half the ammo cost, and no need to buy the latest "super-rifle". I can see some of the merits of 7PRC, but 7PRC factory ammunition literally retails in Canada for twice the price of my ammunition ($119.99 Cdn/box versus about $62/box). But, since, for ethical reasons, any hunting shot that I take will certainly be well under 400 yards, and since I don't even have convenient access to a practise range beyond 300 yards, I see no point whatsoever. If I were to take up handloading, I'd bet I could further improve on that sub-MOA accuracy and do it even more cheaply (after absorbing reloading equipment costs, of course).

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks for watching

[@EricChmelarsky]

Supresspors safe @ 80,000 psi? I've only seen one video using a Supresspor. I've heard no mention as to Supresspor pressure ratings! I would guess it's going to be awhile b4 available for the masses. Time to work the gremlins out.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

You're probably right

[@geothunder1971]

I know mine is rated to 300win mag, but 80k psi? that I need to email the manufacturer and ask

[@biggs8729]

Yep, still waiting for someone to do a suppressor explanation on this. I think, even though it's 80,000 in the chamber, it won't be much, if any, more than a normal cartridge produces at the muzzle. A fast burning powder does not necessarily produce more gasses than a slower powder, it just burns faster, giving that initial spike of pressure in the chamber. I think a fast burning powder could even reduce pressure at the muzzle as the powder will have completely consumed it's self before it gets to the end of the muzzle.

[@ozark_trapper]

If u had to resize that brass. That many times for 1 use. How many times can u reload the brass? Or just neck sizing the brass? I bet the die's will be costly. I will stick with my 280AI and 7mm mag 1@8 26-inch barrels.

[@clinttucker4116]

Just saw a video on the Geissle Instagram with some 5.56 loaded in peak alloy. I assume it's coming in other calibers

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Interesting...

[@bustabass9025]

I'm thinking the .280 Ackley Improved Weatherby 307 Range XP I got coming is going to fit nicely with my .28 caliber rifles, 7mag and 28 Nosler. No need for the PRC in that caliber. The 300 PRC I have is a better choice in those Hornady chamberings.

[@badmedicine4352]

I wonder what kind of velocity you would get from the backcountry with a rebarrel to 26" or would it be to risky with 80,000 psi ?

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

That would be fun to see what it does in a 26 inch barrel

[@NorthernContinental]

Yeah I was wondering about the 280ai comparison. Shoulda just called it 280ai TURBO. Then they could start turboing all kinds of old cartridges Lol

[@robertbroxson4582]

I think it’s great to have more options. If you don’t like it then don’t buy it. We don’t realize how fortunate we are.

[@MrAntuan25]

I still think the 7mm back country is a better hunting cartridge. But great analysis, people will have to choose whatever they want long distance accuracy, or a short barrel suppress, light rifle for convenience.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks for watching and commenting

[@lancebernal9982]

I watched the AllTerra video when it first came out last week and enjoyed their review. (I also own an AllTerra rifle so know what they are capable of). After that video, I'll stick with my 7 PRC.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks for watching

[@hewlett260]

Every magnum suppressor on the market states a minimum barrel length. Federal finally figured out how to market but this cartridge will probably be a "dead" cartridge within five years

[@justahologram2230]

These high pressure ideas probably should've been used on a bigger bullet diameter to maximize gains, something like the .338 RPM or a .375 Ruger would probably show this off better than a .280 Remington based design

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

That would be interesting

[@brettblose1658]

You make a good point. If it isn't 1/2 minute accurate then it isn't much good at long range. For a 400 yard and in gun, existing cartridges can hit 2700 fps out of a 16" barrel which provide plenty of power for Elk sized game to 400 yards. You don't need the extra power unless you are shooting long range, you can't shoot game at long range without excellent accuracy. If your choices of ammo is limited to a handful of offerings from Federal then the chances of high accuracy are much lower than if you have a lot of ammo choices and can handload to find ammo that your individual rifle shoots well. My new years resolution, use a 300 WSM for every game animal and quit worrying about the latest and greatest.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I personally don't think people should long range hunt. But if you do... you better know your equipment and have a great load at distance. Not every half MOA load is good at distance.

[@traviskuntz7503]

I'm waiting to pass judgment on the new 7BC until people actually have data on precision and reloading. I watched the video you referenced from Allterra, the accuracy sucked, but I'm still waiting on more results to see if that was a fluke due to Federal rushing ammo out for their big reveal. Same on the reloading front, I'm waiting to see if it's something that will be possible and how much effort will go into it. If I can't reload, I don't want it. I still think the better case design for high pressure is from Sig with the 277 Fury. It gives the malleability and ease of reloading brass with the strength of the steel headed case. But I could be wrong.

[@timmontano8792]

I could care less about this particular cartridge. However, the "Peak" metal case material being used to make cartridges like the more common old school 223 Remington, 309 Winchester, 6.5 Swede, etc. In theory, this would allow reloaders to load existing rifle calibers or cartridges to safely load those legacy chamberings to slightly higher velocities in the many modern actions available. In my case, I'd love nothing better that to be able to reload my 223 Ackley to higher than current listed maximum pressures. Same with my 6.5 Swede and 308 Win.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

We will see how easy it will be to reload these steel alloy cases

[@shawnengstrom3906]

Yeah, but Alterra did their testing with the first rounds of ammo from Federal which were found to be problematic so they made changes to the load and since seem to be excellent. I was not impressed that Alterra released that video as they should have known this and that isn't being upfront. Time will tell, but I am liking the BC right now.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I commend them for not shilling. We will see about the newest ammo

[@rockie307]

There's already rifle manufacturers who are saying they are getting 1/4" groups with the backcountry and the rifles come with a 1/2" guarantee. I would say that's plenty accurate for a hunting rifle.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

There are also a lot of reports from other rifle manufactures that they are struggling with accuracy.

[@rockie307]

@ReloadingWeatherby I wouldn't buy one of them then I would buy a accurate one lol.

[@hoffi9327]

In Canada and Europe you cannot get ammunition for the 7 mm PRC.

[@denisleblanc4506]

First off, Federal was working on this case long before the 7 PRC was released. Secondly, they already load 7 PRC ammo that is outperforming the Hornady ammunition. So they aren't out to destroy the PRC. The 7 BC will outperform the 7 PRC in a short barrel and with a short barrel and a can will have all the accuracy you need out to 500 and will have an extra round if you need it. That's as far as any hunter should be shooting live animals. Let's just wait and see once it's out in several rifles, see how it does then decide if we can predict the future of a cartridge. I doubt you can use that software for a cartridge when it doesn't have access to the same powder Federal uses and no, you can't just pick a faster powder and load it to 80K pressures and think the software will have an accurate prediction. Even if some gunmakers have had access to it for a few months, they don't have many decades of experience they had with brass cases. Given a little more time and refinement and they will make better rifles for it. I can't wait for them to make cases for conventional calibers like 7mm-08 AI. Imagine one with 280 AI performance from a short barrel.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Some people are going to love this concept. As a reloader this cartridge is a no from me

[@shanewinters3009]

I watched a video so now I’m an expert.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Feel free to go talk with a local gunsmith or professional reloader. You will probably be disappointed with what they say about the 7mm Backcountry

[@robertlatess6643]

I think you were just talking about the whole group size down range isn’t as important as reading the wind.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Reading wind is the most important. But that is assuming you have a good baseline for accuracy and low ES

[@joshuaw2988]

Yeah Allterra provides great transparency and very honest feedback in that video. They can keep that 7 back country. Ammo is going to be ridiculous for 7 back. I’ll keep my 7prc and crush that 7 back with 300RUM. It’s clear that the 7back country is for normal hunting ranges, bc fierce did a recent elk hunting video taking elk at 100-300 yards. With 7prc Fierce did an elk hunting video taking elk at over 1,000 yards, 7prc is clearly the better precision rifle. The 7back country girls club will be like the little 22 bleedmoor girl gang.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks for watching

[@northmantru6236]

Good to only 400 yards or so due to poor ES? Then there’s no reason for trying to squeeze out a couple hundred extra feet per second.

[@tbjtbj4786]

If i want a 7mm low in 7x57 high speed 7 stw

[@douglaspriest2770]

Only thing I can figure. It's gonna be a barrel burner 😮

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I think it's going to have the same barrel life as a 7mm PRC.

[@atairuy]

If it’s not easy to reload it will fail, as you said, factory ammo is never good enough for LR. It might be good for 400yds and in in short rifles for sure but not for the intended LR application. Many people don’t reload and want a good punch in a short rifle so it can find its niche but not as a complete package

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I think this cartridge will have a place in the market. Most people don't reload.

[@smallbatchprecision2791]

Big call. Seems like an arbitrary conclusion based on some limited data... Appears like some are getting excellent SD/ES and accuracy during testing. Could just be cherry picked results however? 7BC targets a small niche and time will tell if it succeeds or fails. I hope it does do well because it’s nice to see progress for a change.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Allterra was the only one that showed more than a couple of groups. For the record I don't see anything wrong with this cartridge for the average hunter that doesn't reload. I think this cartridge will have success.

[@bobby34u]

I get what you're saying but only time will tell that ballistic software your using was never designed to be running at 80,000 PSI I don't think it could accurately depict accuracy. It'll be interesting to see how this cartridges is doing in a year.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

This software isn't predicting accuracy. It just shows what pressure you're at with a powder. We will see...

[@chrisb9478]

7mm PRC is reloadable, 7mm Backcountry is not (as best I can tell). So it’s a No for me. 😁

[@willieungerer4312]

I have a 280 AI for hunting and I'll stick to it

[@RT-gv6us]

I handload almost all of my ammo so with extremely limited reloading options of the 7MM Backcountry I will have to pass on this one.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I get that

[@michaeldolomont4424]

My thing is the 7mm BC is a hunting cartridge not a pension cartridge most people will shoot there game within 300 yards no one shoot past 500 on game in my opinion!! Federal will have more offerings in ammo yet, you will find one to shoot, with PRC your pretty much stuck with eldx which sucks as a hunting bullet!! And the CX in the factory doesn't really shoot well and has terrible fps, I shot 6 deer with eldx from 80 to 300 yards 28 nosler 175 gr and everyone exploded!! I would take a inch and a half group with a good bullet over a quarter inch group with a eldx cause crippling a animal with eldx is always high !! Just my opinion!!! Great video!!

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks for your comment

[@eddielombera5862]

If you want more velocity on factory ammo in a 7mm I don’t see why you would choose a 7mm backcountry over a 28 Nosler when the barrel life won’t be any better, and if you hand load the 28 Nosler is the clear winner.

[@richardminer1863]

Less powder in the BC, longer barrel life.

[@eddielombera5862]

@ less powder for sure but then again the 28 Nosler is still in another category in that aspect. Barrel life? Idk how much better can it be when you have pressures over 80kpsi, definitely don’t see it in the 1000+ plus barrel life expectancy.

[@Mountain-Man27]

Multiple people in the industry said they have been struggling to get better than 2.5 inch 5 shot groups. No thanks 7mm Brokeback

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I've also heard that... unfortunate

[@Mountain-Man27]

Especially since those are with high dollar rigs, lord knows what it’ll do in a ruger American lol

[@brianklamer3328]

Brokeback, LMAO. Federal might as well have named it 7mm DEI !

[@cadeclark]

You have to take that with a grain of salt though, people like Ron spomer have also tested it and got 5 3 shot groups sub MOA

[@nt3523]

@@brianklamer3328 Lol...Well, I was talking crap in the comments of one of Federal's videos and they called me a racist, bigot. 😁

[@chub4141]

RW you need to get one and try to reload it I would think that steel case would kink at the neck or deform some way.But what the hell 17 pulls threw the resizing die we all have time for that.But look on the bright side BYU finally won a bowl game😅

[@geothunder1971]

I'm going to hold off of both and see what transpires, yes the 7mm bullet is the sweet spot for hunting and long range with a good amount of bullet options out there. I would rather build a 7mm wsm over these two.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I'll wait for what Weatherby has to offer in the coming year

[@zacharyharwell351]

​@ReloadingWeatherby Oh has weatherby announced someone they're cooking up? Or is it speculation that they are?

[@nikos6220]

Agreed, if it is practically not reloadable it’s a dud. You missed one big plus, it gets you 200 fps more with quasi the same recoil. The ejecta mass is just lower.

[@Corrado4me7]

Most don’t reload and for those that do this new steel alloy case will be an issue!

[@operationNOBO]

I thought Hornady was annoying with promotions of new calibers...I am wrong, Federal has blown them out of the water with that.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Federal went all in

[@patrioticguy1791]

I own a 7mm PRC Bergara rifle. All of my Bergara's are very good. The speed from the 7 PRC is underwhelming to say the least. My reloading room is my happy place, stress reliever, get away from work, keep the brain working, you know. I'm not going to purchase a rifle in a caliber that I cannot hand load for with reasonable effort. If the chore of reloading gets to be exactly that, a chore, I get disgruntled quickly. I see no solace or serenity in undertaking ridiculous reloading steps. I absolutely love the 7 MM caliber and I own a 280 AI, 7mm PRC and 28 Nosler. Contemplating a 7 mm '08 just for fun. The 7mm Backcountry will never be on the list of calibers that I own.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks for watching and commenting

[@Winmod70300]

At this point we ask ourselves do we really need another 7 mm cartridge? Cool concept. I’m kinda of surprised no one’s making any new fast 25 cartridge with high bc bullet. Seems only caliber that’s not really getting any love.

[@richardminer1863]

Hate to break your bubble but your wrong on most counts. Accuracy is more a function of the bullet and rifle than cartridge. Also I have seen .23" group with the 7 BC with the 175gr. .37 with the 155. Also federal says they will sell the powder at some point. Plus you don't have any understanding of effects of pressure on ES. One guy got ES of 13 with early 168gr federal load.

[@MatthewKyle-sg5uo]

Grewt video, and i agree. I will happily keep my 7prc and pass on the 7 backcountry. However, im not gunna bag on it like a boomer. Im glas its here, maybe the next time they will make the steel softer, maybe mix some brass in it and target 70k psi. Who knows.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks for watching. For the record I don't dislike this cartridge. Just as a handloader it doesn't interest me very much

[@MatthewKyle-sg5uo]

@ReloadingWeatherby copy. I didn't assume you hated it. I just get tired of so many other hating anything new because their 270 or 30 06 can almost do it lol

[@albertlemont5471]

😂 federal owns the RE 26

[@joelclark2130]

What do expect from federal cartridge company. 2years out

[@davidlantz4560]

An am getting 2800fps with that load 58gr of winchester 760 powder an 150gr fosion out of a 18inch barral

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

In 280AI?

[@davidlantz4560]

@ReloadingWeatherby have ya tried it in 7prc?

[@jaimesanborn308]

Alterra's stuff isnt in the realm of what proof or Horizon is building. JvB/Spomer & Backfire Jims vids proved that on the accuracy front of this round.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I can't tell if you're actually being serious or trolling...

[@jaimesanborn308]

@ReloadingWeatherby Not sure if you're aware, but weatherby actually helped develop this cartridge for 2 years. Do you think the likes of Weatherby or Gunwerks would get behind this if it didn't perform on all levels? Alterra is a fledgling joke of a company with their rip off gunwerks stocks & seekins barrels. I'd take that review with a grain of salt.

[@beware3586]

I bought a 300 PRC. Because I think the bullets look cooler and I was in the Market for a 300 WM. Lets be real here this numbers dick measuring contest doesn't really matter except for the like .5% of shooters trying to hit things round about 1000 yards. For the other 99.5% of people that use a rifle, most of which can't hit anything consistently at 500 yards, pretty much any caliber with enough weight and speed for filling the freezer is all that matters. Which is most of them.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Very true

[@jonah988]

swiss RS70 is getting way more performance out of the 7prc than n560 or n570

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I crunched the numbers you gave me with RS70 in your 7mm PRC. FYI you're way over pressure.

[@jonah988]

@ nah I checked it with grt and it is Fine

[@jonah988]

@@ReloadingWeatherby 69gr rs70 59402psi, 175gr eldx, 3104ft/s, 5077j 22in Barrel. I Copied the 7prc from cip papers into grt and all compared it to Hornady and vithavouri load data. Its working

[@jonah988]

@@ReloadingWeatherby if you use the Rem mag Model you have Overpressure. If you want I could Send you the data

[@tornike1811]

300wm for long range hunting, cheapest working magnum.

[@GringoFusilero]

Here’s my prediction: Hornady is going to take the steel-cased, high-pressure concept and actually make it work, much to the chagrin of Hornady haters (me)

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I would be extremely surprised if they do that.

[@GringoFusilero]

@ you don’t think that’s where the market is headed eventually?

[@super_drupal]

Hornady would have to develop their own case/alloy though, Federal has patented the alloy case materials for the 7BC. If this is the "future" and everything is patented by a company that could be a problem. That's what makes brass great, anyone can create brass cartridges.

[@GringoFusilero]

@ if I were Hornady I’d be working on that right now

[@RobertSmith-xh4lx]

I got 7 sealed cans of reloader 26 for sale if anyone is interested.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Oh boy... you've got gold

[@RobertSmith-xh4lx]

@ReloadingWeatherby hahaha great points in this video....I really want the 7mm Backcountry/ technology to work....like imagine a 30-06 getting 300 Prc velocitys in a sub 20" barrel......I'am just afraid you all are right about it not being reloadable.... biggest red flag I heard last night on a podcast with a federal rep is you cannot anneal the steel case.

[@patrickjoseph5028]

Wow …YOUR honest opinion…and I’m impressed with an opinion that isn’t a sales pitch or a shill monologue…80k may be a great military machine gun round but precision shooting requires easily accessible load tweaking.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I agree

[@AP-ow5vu]

There's nothing special at all about the 7mm PRC and when all things are equal its inferior to the 7mm rem mag and the 28 Nosler. Meanwhile this backcountry is actually doing something a little bit different with these new cases, maybe they'll be a great innovation, maybe they won't and they'll be forgotten as a gimmick. But I know if it were my money and I was interested in one of these Johnny Come-Lately cartridges I'd try the back country as atleast it's doing something unique. You'll be able to resize the cases, factory ammo isn't an indicator of accuracy at all, however if you are shooting factory ammo only I'm sure it'll get expensive!

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I am certainly not a 7mm PRC fanboy. And the reason a 7 mag and 28 Nosler can be superior to a 7 PRC is because of handloading. If the rumors are true.. the 7mm Backcountry is going to be awful to reload for. With all of that being said I think there is a place in the market for the 7 BC. Most people don't reload, and a lot of people love short barrels.

[@AP-ow5vu]

Yeah look we can't help people with bad tastes... 😂

[@brandonhudson3093]

Here's an old argument 308 is more inherently accurate than 30-06. Might be true in factory rifles due to loose tolerance in 30-06 but custom guns 30-06 is just as accurate. Sounds like they were paid to give bad press. Other content creators getting sub moa.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

SAMMI chamber specs for 308 and 30-06 are the same on tolerances. I really don't think Allterra was paid to crap on the 7mm Backcountry. For the record... Hornady isn't paying me to do this video.

[@azntactical6487]

Waiting on Federal to send you a check to remove your video. ;-)

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Haha

[@RON-m8c]

🤔 Neither! Why Would I Want To Support Any Company Promoting (And Testing On) 1,000 Yard Shots At Big Game Animals (Our Precious Wildlife), Just To Sell Their Products? 🤮 This Nonsense Has Got To Stop and We Know Who and What is Creating The Problem (The "Long Range Hunting" Crowd)! 😡

[@Dalesarty]

I don’t think your point of one KZbinrs accuracy test holds much water. Especially considering their chambering a cartridge they have never chambered or previously built a rifle around. I don’t pay lip service to Hornady ( as they are obviously Hornady fan boys ) and all you guys are missing the point the point is the case technology, the 80,000 psi, the same performance from a short barrel. I seen the video you mentioned from that channel and I’m sorry but my biggest take away from it was never buy a rifle built by individuals that wear Velcro shoes.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

That's how I feel when I see one 3 shot group from Ron Spomer, no groups at all from Backfire. Allterra did extensive testing in a very high quality gun.

[@Dalesarty]

@ how is it your so sure of the quality of the rifle. How much experience do they have cutting that chamber. And had they done it without bias it would have been more believable then paying lip service to Hornady. Hornady can’t even build a decent hunting bullet and that’s from experience in the field from my own personal experiences. They even went as far as to redesign there 7mm copper bullets to shoot in the PRC which means the do not shoot as well in traditional 7mm cartridges, which has also been my personal experience. It’s not about the new cartridge it’s about the case technology and that’s what everyone seems to be missing. I’m sure with very little difficulty you could find many videos of 7 PRC’s shooting like garbage rods as I have seen. And well as far as old Ron is concerned I’ve seen you for many years post your three shot groups and only ever seen one bad day at the range video, everyone has a bias opinion especially those that have there channels sponsored by Hornady. It’s very obvious which channels get paid for lips service. And Alterra is one of them. Everyone wanted shorter barrels but hated losing velocity so federal gives you a cartridge that can produce magnum velocity with a 150gr bullet out of a 16” barrel that matches that of magnums with a 24” barrel and everyone poo poo’s on it. Kinda reminds me of the 6.8 it’s far superior to the 7PRC but didn’t pay for influencer lip service. And you have seen that proof first hand. Personal and hands on experience speaks volumes but at this point your experience with this cartridge is about the same as anyone’s else’s you seen the same videos everyone else has. As for that particular channel and rifle you have mentioned I’ll sum that up as they built a mossberg patriot chambered in 308. Because we all know that 3” groups is the best the 308 cartridge can do.

[@lesliegee42069]

No offense, but you have zero hands-on experience with the cartridge and are basing your opinion solely off of guntubers with next to no credentials beyond being shills. Don't you think it's a little early to be hating it for it's accuracy?

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Feel free to go talk with a local gunsmith or a professional reloader and ask them their opinion on the 7mm Backcountry... I think you will be disappointed.

[@nozrep]

@@ReloadingWeatherbybut u didn’t answer his question. just tell him no u don’t think it’s too early. and let it be. it’s internet u know i know we all know haha.