8 String Guitar Tones Are Dumb.

[@BaenaCarcosa]

Be sure to check out Kye Bull's channel for more amp nerdery! Get the gear we used here: Ibanez RGDMS8: sweetwater.sjv.io/Nk63MK Orange OR30: sweetwater.sjv.io/751XBY Blackstar St James: sweetwater.sjv.io/rQJE1j Blackstar HT Stage 100 Mark III: sweetwater.sjv.io/eKkn51

[@mana20]

Against all the evils that Hell can conjure, All the wickedness that mankind can produce, We will send unto them... Only you. Tone Shaper!

[@andreslefttesticle]

Djent and chug until it is done

[@reubenk7331]

"Wow that's crazy" 🤣 Cool stuff guys! I also wanted to tell you seeing Carcosa and Angelmaker at Preserving Underground was so awesome! You guys killed it, and the clarity of your sound was awesome. It was really cool meeting you and Johnny too.

[@BaenaCarcosa]

Thank you so much for coming to a show! Happy you had a good time

[@reubenk7331]

@@BaenaCarcosa For sure! It was also my first Deathcore show ever. Definitely an awesome experience. When I saw Carcosa and Angelmaker I had to go!

[@SoopaGaming]

yooo I was at that show too, was a great time and was able to get a photo with Andrew :D

[@reubenk7331]

@@SoopaGaming Yeah it was freaking awesome! I didn't get to hang around after everyone played, but I still got to see Andrew and Johnny by the merch tables.

[@alrecks619]

that fuzzy quality of the orange amps somehow work well with 8 and 9 strings, as long as you can make the low end appropriate for different genres.

[@DCJayhawk57]

I think it lends itself to more stoner/doom rather than syncopated djenty stuff. I have an Orange Rocker 15 Terror and rarely use it for modern metal, but if I'm playing Mastodon? Hell yeah. I have a Fortin 33 pedal, haven't tried yet in front of the Orange (I mostly play 8 string through my Mesa Triple Crown 100W), so I'm curious if it would tighten it up enough. The Orange has so much low end compared to the Mesa, so wonder if it would balance it out.

[@SplotchTheCatThing]

I bought an OR15 with my 8-string (because I played something like it in the store and really liked how it sounded in spite of that bassiness) and the best trick I've found so far is putting a DS-1 in the effects loop, and splitting the amount of gain I want between the amp's drive and the pedal's distortion knob -- it doesn't affect the timbre of the distortion very much but if I put the pedal's tone knob anywhere around center it really tightens up the sound and cleans up that bottom end. Only downside in my bedroom is it gets a little bit tricky to control the volume :D

[@CorbenEdward]

Imagine sitting in a room in GERMANY with an 8 string multiscale ibanez, filled with fricken ENGL amps and being forced to play through an OR-30 lol. Comedy gold, sounded badass and crunchy when dialed in with lower gain.

[@higler.]

This was fucking awesome. Hope we get to see more of you two together!

[@belligerentamateur]

He's gonna stay the night next week if my mom says it's ok

[@higler.]

@@belligerentamateur Hope mom is cool about it!

[@amirtak9886]

Nice to see the boyzz linking up !!

[@TobyKBTY]

BRO it's two of my favorite belligerent chug monkeys. Despite playing completely different metal styles, you both are among my top metal channels

[@belligerentamateur]

My guy

[@halsinden]

seriously? is NOBODY going to mention the clear & present effect on tone that such *short* shorts have? major leg-room.

[@TheNorthernJake]

Kyle would be amazing as an amp tech on the road, he seems so knowledgeable, and he has a great ear!

[@belligerentamateur]

Would be V sick, but also, I don't know SHIT about repairing amplifiers. 😂😂

[@thehunter7422]

Came across your channel recently and couple others and Been binge watching some vids last couple days lol you earned a new sub and also you and couple other people sold me on getting not only a 7 String but also an 8 String guitar. Cant freaking wait to try these out. Ordered a Satin Black Amaranth 7 String Jackson JS Series Dinky Arch Top JS22-7 DKA HT and an 8 string White Ibanez RG8WH with IBZ Humbuckers. Both look beautiful and price wise after seeing and watching reviews of it, look like an awesome great starter cheap 7 and 8 string guitars. These 2 are definitely gonna be my most quality wise guitars i have lol. 2 electric guitars i have are off branded . The 4 string bass guitar i have so far is the most expensive thing i have guitar wise , an Ibanez bass ( forgot the name of it lol but it looks beautiful and it costs over 300 Canadian dollars, i think nearly 400) excited to test these guitars out. Dipping my toes in new territories here lol and I'm all here for it. Hopefully can master some Meshuggah songs is my goal in the next couple months. Wish me luck when they arrive, thank you for the awesome vids in convincing me to get an 8 and 7 string guitar

[@misfitwookiee3177]

You guys rock together, and the chemistry is real! 😂 Seriously, having just a couple points of reference can be awesome just because of the differences of approach - in this example, tone. I appreciate you two allowing us to join you on this experience! Thought I was subbed to you, Andrew, and rectified that now! May not always be my style, but I grow by learning from others outside my wheelhouse!

[@belligerentamateur]

If only you could see our behind the scenes conversations. Good, moral people would hate us.

[@misfitwookiee3177]

@@belligerentamateur Dude, make it a PPV! Or maybe for Patreon peeps - "Kyle Bull: Belligerent & Uncensored!

[@belligerentamateur]

I legitimately didnt even know you played a DOOM riff during this video. I was too deep on the tone zone, baby.

[@BaenaCarcosa]

😎😎😎

[@themightymcb7310]

I think what all three of these amps needed was an EQ pedal in front, in the fx loop, or both.

[@danmaycock9238]

Post distortion is massively underrated.

[@chrisshanteau5353]

Just met you in Seattle, said lemme see this baby when you opened your case and said man no killswitch in drop c today?? You used my shoulder to get on the stage edge.. legebdary

[@boohoo7565]

I was at an afterparty a few weekends ago where a group of musicians were talking about this guy. They kept referring to him as Kyle BS which is funny now that i know his actual name.

[@josearjona3728]

That Orange wipes the floor with the other two amps

[@andrefludd]

Okay, I'm watching and taking notes because I have no clue how to get heavy tones. Thank boys.

[@cultistsash]

I want a 4 string guitar like PotUSoA play, but only the top two and bottom two strings from an 8 string guitar.

[@cynicalsaint5690]

I've been playing mine with a PRS MT15 and its been perfect for the job because its such a tight and articulate high gain amp.

[@dreammachine86]

Very tempted to get one of those MT15s, they seem incredible value for money and ideal for modern metal. Although 8 strings can be a challenge so that's even more impressive that it handles one of those Ibanez 8 strings well.

[@cynicalsaint5690]

I’ve been using a solar A1.8 instead of the Ibanez but regardless of the brand I highly recommend you try out an mt15 for your 8 string. The dirty channel almost feels so tight and so laser focused high gain that it almost reacts like a plug-in. Very brutal

[@mattypoptarts]

He hit him with the “thats crazy” 😂

[@josephofschlagenheim1971]

This is so smart, exactly what a lot of us new 8-stringers need to know. Thanks to both of you.

[@ethanjenkins8121]

I love orange amps so much, they respond so well to any style and/or pedals

[@actuallyasriel]

"and if not, I'm gonna throw it out the f*u*cking window" I died thank you forever

[@chandlerdant8088]

Even though 8 strings is a ridiculous amount, you cannot deny that it sounds absolutely brutal. (NO hate)

[@TheWRCS]

Watching you mess around with the guitar tones takes me back to the days of seeing local shows at the VFW.

[@ultratacoRX7]

I would have liked to hear those engls too

[@macklehnertmusic]

The Revv Generator 7-40 in the background kills them all!

[@jrlee243]

I have an OR50, and I really dig it with a 7 string. I use a dirty tree and sometimes a guptech PTSD. But I have to run the guptech in the front because those amps have no fx loop. I just digg the orange tone.

[@TStop52]

I’m so curious about choosing the Ibanez for touring. On previous reviews, he stated a string preference for the neutral fret to be lower, around 7 or 9. AFAIK Ibanez always sets theirs at 12. Wouldn’t that be way less comfortable for touring? Wondering what else that guitar offers that led to that change in preference.

[@JohnnyTwuft]

Baena in Erie?!

[@Samuraijake93]

This is a cool video Kyle is awesome

[@absence7445]

Pleasantly surprised by how good the Orange sounded. The St. James was decent, but god that HT Stage was atrocious, even with all the tweaking. Great video overall!

[@josearjona3728]

Blackstar never fails to dessapoint 😆

[@JohnWiku]

The new blackstars sound worse than the cheapest chinese distortion pedal, what are they even doing? I love it that these amps are being shown as the next Jesus coming 😂😂😂 Money talks, money buys opinions, but all that won't make me buy any blackstar amp EVER, I'm not sure if I'd keep it even given for free!

[@JaredMuskego4490]

You and Kyle are awesome shit rock on guys

[@belligerentamateur]

We love shit rock!

[@Cmac0099]

Kyle convinced me to buy a silver stripe peavey bandit! Awesome amp for home or small gigs.

[@spongebob6664]

“We are almost out of gain” ☠️☠️

[@fatsuperfly]

Lol! This is a funny cool idea vid, love both your guys vids. Much Mahalos

[@allanpatterson6741]

I got this Chancellor bass crybaby wah with fuzz builtnin it, I use when playing 8 string. Shit sounds morbid

[@TobyKBTY]

As someone who plays a 27' scale baritone in drop F# through a Rockerverb, that Orange tone is definitely up my alley. I gotta try an OR30

[@Fistful0fSteel]

I use gauge .80 on 27" and my low string is really loose...I dont know how you people do it 😀

[@TobyKBTY]

@@Fistful0fSteel Admittedly I'm a fan of being on the slinkier side and boosting loose amps. I use a 10-74 in drop F# and it's ideal for what I like LOL. It's pretty loose, but with the right setup still sounds snappy and brutal.

[@Fistful0fSteel]

@@TobyKBTY awesome!!!

[@Fistful0fSteel]

@@TobyKBTY Im turning 40 next September and will have a perfect argument as ammo for my lady to buy another guitar. This one is def gonna have an Evertune in it. Just gonna see which pickups and which guitar maker... ;-)

[@acidpancakes420]

@@Fistful0fSteel how??? My .74 in F# on 26.5 is plenty tight

[@saberreiter8569]

yoooo, Kyle in the house !

[@jasonbates2687]

I take it that Kyle and Andrew are roughly the same age but Kyle is definitely more old school which is more relatable to me, there is no substitute for a big hot tube amp. As for 8 string guitars, I suppose they have their place if played well but everyone I have heard sounds like a dump truck falling down a mountain, random noise.

[@idiosyncraticmushroom3030]

I think the or30 is untapped for sludge metal potential.

[@ericskinner7355]

Sounds like when I put new strings on my bass before I tune it up...🤘

[@kennethsmith5383]

Andrew Baena: *says name* Captions: Andrew B*ner

[@rr-fn5bs]

Kyle is my buddy. We're getting bunk beds.

[@Fistful0fSteel]

That low E string has to be cooked spaghetti with 27"

[@thanebear]

Nah Bru it's just a bass string. 😆

[@Fistful0fSteel]

@@thanebear I have an .80 on my 27”. Drop E it’s just too floppy

[@thanebear]

@@Fistful0fSteel I mean. . I used to use .75 for drop B(when I was younger and dumber haha) I'd say you need bigger ones. Never played in double drop e tho. Sheeesh

[@Fistful0fSteel]

@@thanebear normal drop E. I don’t play anything double whatever 🤣🤣

[@thanebear]

@@Fistful0fSteel yeah I was making a joke because there is nothing normal about E-0, my guy.

[@getgoblin]

Dude just reminds me of Matt Damon in every video!

[@bengreenbank]

All of them sounded good once dialed in. But imo nothing sounds better than a 5150. Yeah everyone uses them but they just sound the best.

[@ErikAnders]

Good one

[@connorpayne2671]

"8 string guitar tones are dumb" Really? Right in front of my Ibanez RGDMS8?

[@towerofresonance4877]

Mastodon feel in a way!

[@ChernobylAudio666]

Can confirm. Sack is getting saggy.

[@BaenaCarcosa]

Happens to the best of us

[@belligerentamateur]

Your sack is sagging to meet the rest of your meat suit

[@Durkhead]

You should make t-shirts that say just buy a bass

[@Razrback]

What do you mean it sounded good im pretty sure Kyle would beg to differ

[@TheMirrorify]

Kyle has 13.5 amps for every string on your guitar.

[@belligerentamateur]

I appreciate you noticing

[@TheMirrorify]

@@belligerentamateur and I appreciate the amp demos 😁

[@Turboy65]

I agree, that sounds dumb. Fanned frets are also dumb.

[@drew004jc]

8 strings are great, you can break 2 of your strings and it wont even affect your playing

[@ericdravenX00X]

It sounded good.💀🤘

[@DavidAllenMD]

Bro kyles funny as shit yo turned everything down lmao

[@wyldeslash2003]

Good oinky tone tho!

[@markscohier9308]

That 8 string sounds like sheeeeutttttt

[@davidburgess5689]

I can't believe anyone takes Kyle Bullshit seriously.

[@savoirfaire8979]

*Kyle needs to stop skipping leg days.*

[@dadoffour]

Ye 8 strings in general are dumb

[@palanthis]

"Cut out some of those low end frequencies." You do understand the point of an 8-string, right? It has two LOWER strings. They are supposed to be prominent in the tone. Not gansta rap level bass, but the chugs should thump. Or the breakdown will just be silly.

[@belligerentamateur]

I don't think he gets it, he never really plays those.

[@adamsteelproducer]

Yeah nah. Not how it works.

[@Durkhead]

I'm so confused

[@belligerentamateur]

@@Durkhead me too. I don't even work here.

[@Durkhead]

@@belligerentamateur "I'm not even supposed to be here today!"

[@davidencoification]

I hate when people, especially you, call 8 string guitars dumb, since you're one of the biggest 8 string advocates on youtube. It's the best thing to happen to metal in more recent times. Why center your entire channel around extended range guitars when you constantly call them dumb? I know you don't actually feel that way because I've been following your channel for many years. Every instrument has "ups and downs" but calling extended range guitars and their tones dumb, is dumb within itself.

[@BaenaCarcosa]

It’s just a video title 🤷‍♂️ obviously I don’t think they’re dumb but you gotta play KZbin’s game if you want people to click

[@crankymcgee]

@@BaenaCarcosa I dunno man, I’m looking into 8 string guitars and your titles in the search results are off-putting. Once I watched a video I realized you like them, but I was looking for any and all opinions on 8 strings anyway. You’ve probably missed out on views from 8 string fans with no knowledge of your actual stance. What motive would they have to want to click? What is your thought process? Are you trying to get views from 8 string haters? Most people don’t go out of their way to focus on something they don’t like…

[@Theonly_Onyx]

​@@crankymcgeeyour name checks out 😂😂

[@B31L]

cool 👍