This Is Why Your 8 String Guitar Tone Sucks...

[@BaenaCarcosa]

Enter the giveaway for your chance to win a Neural DSP Quad Cortex here: kingsumo.com/g/mhfbqr/baena-x-sweetwater-quad-cortex-giveaway

[@cultistsash]

My 8 string tone sucks cause it's a 6 string with a 7 string set on it, down tuned to G.

[@cedricrobitaille2627]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@MatthewBurn]

​@@EnvisionedBlindnessYeah I'm on a 26.5 with a 74 on in F and it's clean 👌

[@PotatoKing86]

Lmco

[@goobingtons]

​​@@MatthewBurnbruh I have some shitty old Ibanez Gio that I have the Floyd Rose blocked on so that it stays in G#. I don't even think it's 25" or higher LMAO

[@MatthewBurn]

@@goobingtons Power move 😂

[@thegreateskate]

You can definitely set the pitch/pedal parameters per scene, just as you are with the bypass switches. Just press and hold the knobs in the same way.

[@BaenaCarcosa]

Oh shit thanks for the heads up

[@TheCampbell254bme]

Came to the comments to say the same thing

[@benthewavecame]

Just a couple of notes from a QC user. Big thing you have clearly missed which will make things so much easier for you! You were bypassing the blocks per scene, but you can do this with ANY parameter by pressing and holding until the symbol appears. Now this parameter is assignable per scene. This being said; 1. You do not need a splitter for the time based effects. Bypass time based effects per scene. The way you did it in the video means you have dry signal mixed in when time-based effects are engaged, which I'm assuming is not what you want.... 2. Regarding changing the pitch shift setting. Change the pitch parameter per scene, press and hold -> four squares, assign per scene! 3. There is a noise gate built into the input block of each line of the grid. This saves a block on the grid :) This is also assignable by pressing and holding so you can switch it off for cleans etc.

[@dustinhopkins6470]

Dude this couldn’t come at a better time. Got new gear on the way and have a lot to learn about making a good digital 8 string tone.

[@TheWRCS]

I’m thankful for this channel and drumeo, I learn so much from both channels

[@LimitlessPotential12]

I would say you would benefit from reducing your gain on the amp a little but. You have a very mushy tone and in these low tunings you need string seperation

[@Kroschkolow]

Exactly what I was thinking.

[@Craigs_mums_bush]

Thanks for the video man. You actually have a noise gate at the very start of the chain. If you click on your input you can activate it and save yourself an extra slot.

[@Escapevelocitync]

Super helpful as I’m wanting to make the full switch to QC for my live rig!

[@himbourbanist]

This is a sick piece of hardware and software, I'm curious, why use the Noise Gate instead of the Compressor? I've always really liked the heavily compressed scooped mids sound with a compressor where it sounds like the guitar is getting sucked through a tube lmfao

[@docrockland9464]

Andrew: "We're gonna make a brand new tone from scratch!" (proceeds to make identical tone using different plugins) I fucking love you Andrew.

[@BaenaCarcosa]

I know what I like 😏

[@ankedevyver9749]

I'm a beginner at this tone creating stuff, but I've been wondering: if you hear something you don't like, how do you know if it is the amplifier/the cab/a certain setting within either of those?

[@laser5able]

Just try, listen to the others at some point your experience will tell you where the problem is

[@flashraylaser157]

Because it's not always just one valid option that's crying out to us. This goes for mixing in general actually.

[@IntheDAW]

Honestly the starting tone used in the beginning was kinda not my jam but damn you made a dope one from scratch.

[@bobbyr]

I don't djent or 8string, but I gotta say that the most appealing part of your video is your humble disposition ❤

[@didtoknan8128]

My 8 string tone stopped to suck in last August when I bought the Mixwave Spiritbox !

[@toddruizguitar]

So stoked for this! I tried for the Quad that Fluff was giving away a while back but no luck lol

[@Sierra-xi2ty]

Awesome walkthrough. Thanks for that. Out of your Aristides guitars. Do you prefer straight scale or multiscale for your 8 strings?

[@BaenaCarcosa]

Multiscale feels better for sure on 8 strings, but this one has an evertune so that is why I prefer playing it live. Now that multiscale evertune guitars are a thing though, I would happily go with that if they work as intended. Hopefully I will get to try one soon

[@Sierra-xi2ty]

@@BaenaCarcosa nice. Didn’t know they now make evertune multiscale.

[@noizfx]

@@Sierra-xi2ty At the moment only Aristides offers a multiscale Evertune, because Aristides custom made a housing for the multiscale Evertune using Evertune's modules. That being said, Evertune have authorized Aristides to do so.

[@Sierra-xi2ty]

@@noizfx okay that makes sense. Thanks.

[@joeynone]

FYI the Cortex has an input gate. So if you click where it says In 1, there is a gate already there so you don’t need to add one, you just have to turn it on

[@ThatBeTheQuestion]

Glenn Fricker would go nuts watching you build a tone in this video, but I can't say I'd do much different myself! 🤣

[@BaenaCarcosa]

Tried and true ain’t bad haha!

[@xxitz_pr0gxx631]

Glenn Fricker can go suck eggs. I cannot stand that guy. KEKW

[@Astralanthony]

I think my 8 string tone is pretty sexy. When I palm mute chords, it sounds like Godzilla is shitting.

[@Honey_Daddy]

Yep, a giant lizard shitting is what id define as sexy.

[@LeeJoRo]

Ive been fine tuning my HX stomp with a pitch shift for a while (using a schecter KM7 MKIII tuned to drop A). Sounds good

[@MaximusRaeke1]

Super informative video on how you build your tone. Also, good luck on the giveaway everyone!

[@ModernDayMalice]

I have such an itch seeing reverb before delay 😅

[@anonymouswolvenclaw536]

Yooo which IR are you using? In your "old" preset you are using an IR Loader. I think an IR is a huge part of the tone you are getting. Which ones do you like?

[@perrtown]

Finally a drop e dial in vid by the drop e 👑! Thanks man!!!!

[@vladharanich]

Looking forward to see how would you set up the automation for QC

[@EricMorettin]

If the patches are called scenes, does this mean we're all scene kids?

[@BaenaCarcosa]

Very good Eric

[@EricMorettin]

@@BaenaCarcosa I learn from the best (that's you)

[@M3tal_matt]

This video just solidified how bad you guys need to come back to chicago. Gotta see that 2024 carcosa tone live again!

[@mullandglow]

In case you didn't know if you click on in 1 it has a built in gate so you don't have to waste a block on it

[@LTLdarylriffs]

Sounds awesome. I do it almost exactly the same for live. Few extra things with eq and a light compressor for the low tunings. 🤟🏻

[@DiamondLifer]

Do you think we’ll ever get the OttoAudio 11 11 inside the quad?

[@DangerDMA]

Thank you for explaining scene mode!

[@quinnquitars]

Me, who doesn’t have any extended range guitars: *interesting*

[@PaulOuzounov]

This video is sick man!!! Love the guitars... ;) Fucking great tone out of that raw boi!

[@cambloklandmusic]

Super useful video! Thank you ❤️

[@jessekuntz458]

i got a killer 8-string tone with my helix LT by splitting the signal, and routing the lower end to a bass amp/cab and then the traditional guitar frequencies to a guitar amp/cab, and then merging them back together. Sounds fuckin siiiiiick.

[@doju4166]

I use an Bass Overdrive and an guitar overdrive. One Noise Gate first and another one at the end. Sounds very tight but punchy

[@H0WI3]

Killer tone as always!🤘

[@crwn_munkz]

My guy... you need a compressor... 😖

[@williambordeman1653]

Great demo of how👍

[@veilofmayo1538]

Why did you drop the Line 6 Helix and Seymour Duncan power stage? I know you been moved on from that but I’m curious. Been a fan for years, keep it up brotha

[@tkugsify]

$$$

[@BaenaCarcosa]

Helix is a great platform too don't get me wrong! I just wanted to try the QC since I worked with Neural for a number of years now with their plugins and I didn't need both after I got the QC.

[@veilofmayo1538]

@@BaenaCarcosa ahhh that makes QC sounds fire. Currently running the helix with the power stage because of one of your videos a while back. Never been so happy with tones and effects I have at my disposal. My metal tone is candy for my ears. This channel definitely helped a lot towards my sounds thanks!

[@jd5393]

“Ridiculous amount of amps” Laughs in axe fx III

[@Evi1penguin5]

There cannot be NO DOUBT - the KZbin algorithm now knows my 8 string tone sucks some ballllz

[@TomBragaMusic]

What's the name of the song from 11:50? I'm dying because I can't remember lol

[@BaenaCarcosa]

Wave of Babies

[@floridawilldrown]

Why does that 7th sting sound so low only in b?!?!

[@thisguy2973]

When I saw this preview, my mind said “it’s because you’re using the quad cortex.”

[@jessegomez559]

Is 8 string hard?

[@BabaGhanoushMusic]

I’ve been trying to sell my Krank Krankenstein stack for months now just so I can get the Quad Cortex. Definitely entered, good luck everyone!

[@degstep9968]

Thank you!!

[@8KilgoreTrout4]

I hope someone AWESOME! wins the Cortex!

[@PNWGuitar]

Can we have a tone off? Ill make a patch from acratch in the helix and you can copy pasta your tine in the quad 😅

[@deadSalesman_GD]

It’s so weird to put reverb before delay

[@peomystudio6909]

Great video! Thanks ;)

[@idk393931]

Casually plays Wave of Babies. Okay Tosin! :)

[@JoshuaMRichard]

Finally a contest that I can enter as a Canadian. 😂

[@BaenaCarcosa]

I made sure to get Sweetwater to include Canada :)

[@JoshuaMRichard]

@@BaenaCarcosa amazing you're doing your fellow citizens a solid 🙏🙏🙏

[@he-01]

Actual proof that a 5150 with a Mesa Cab > all

[@eliastorres4461]

Sounds so fire. Can't wait to capture my triple rec and try that through the recto cab sim and see how it compares to analog

[@StoneGraveBand]

Taking notes ✍🏼

[@baumansound]

Thats awesome!! Any reason you didnt use the Input 1 Noise gate instead of adding a block? Maybe is a feature you haven't seen since is a bit non intuitive? I didnt like their update where it changed how scene assignments work and also took me forever to figure out how to change values of knobs to scenes, before was press and hold, and just tap the switch you wanted it on and done... now there is a new setting somewhere. But it's awesome. I only gig with QC now as well, 1 preset with 8 scenes and thats it for about 3 years! lol For carcosa's recordings, do you and cooper double track each rythm to sound this awesome?? or is it 1 rythm each and done?

[@BaenaCarcosa]

Just one hard left/right each we don’t quad track

[@baumansound]

​@@BaenaCarcosa Oh Nice!!! I've been suffering with quad tracking for the new album so much hahahaha.

[@BaenaCarcosa]

RIP also I honestly didn’t know there was an input noise gate to answer your other question haha.

[@TheJustinside]

I try and enter via email and it doesn't seem to work. The button just throbs and doesn't seem to enter me. :/

[@BaenaCarcosa]

Try on a desktop or different browser on your phone. It seems to be working for most people but some people are having issues on mobile. Looks like there are already about 150 entries so far so it definitely works!

[@TheJustinside]

@@BaenaCarcosa I tried on multiple browsers on desktop and on mobile and when I submit the email it just refreshes the same page. 😕 oh well. I'll keep trying.

[@riverryan6216]

@@TheJustinsideyou have to agree to accept marketing emails or it won’t let you enter. That’s all.

[@tkugsify]

"Just throbs and doesn't seem to enter me" Phrasing 😂

[@TheJustinside]

@@riverryan6216 Yeah it wasn't showing up on my browser so i tried a new browser and made sure to tick that checkbox but it still wasn't working. I tried again a few hours later and it finally worked.

[@JamieSlays]

sickkkkkk

[@swietoslawprozak]

My 8 string guitar tone sucks because I play a 7 string and pitch shift down 5 semitones

[@TheRiffingFatboy]

Try Neural Amp Modeler (NAM), not related to NeuralDSP, its free open source amp capturing that is more true to life than Kemper/Axefx/QC, its incredible, anyone can capture any amp or pedal full rig with the cab baked in or direct. The Yerasov Meshuggah capture is incredible

[@Jt7166]

Not fortunate enough to have a Quad Cortex, but even just using Neural DSP on my PC…any tuning below Drop A just sounds awful. If anyone has any other tips or videos they could pass along to help I would greatly appreciate it

[@BaenaCarcosa]

The basics of what I explain here should still be applicable to most plugins imo

[@Jt7166]

@@BaenaCarcosa thanks for the reply Andrew I will trying some of your steps in this video tonight.

[@chamucomusico]

I use the neural plug ins for everything, covers, recording, producing etc My biggest takeaway when it comes to drop tunings is, if you’re going under Drop A, I’ve gotten the best results with an active guitar, and by actually being in that tuning. The pitch shifter is good, but nowhere near great. Lower the gain on the amp for some clarity and don’t try to overcompensate bass in the EQ, if you’re adding bass to your project/cover That’s the magic of plug ins, you don’t gotta commit to an amp recording So experiment with the EQ and trust your ears Also Gojira,Nolly and Fortín are great for drop tunings

[@themightymcb7310]

With the neural DSP plugins specifically, I've found the tone gets really abrasive and hissy if you crank the tone knob on the overdrives. I usually keep it somewhere around 9 or 10 o'clock to avoid this

[@RenanSocoloski]

Quad cortex is cool but... do you even podfarm m8? 😂

[@DavidAllenMD]

dope video i enterd the giveaway too i never win shit so if i win itd be nuts but i prolly wont lmaooo. also we have the same taste in tone man i was thinking the same shit when you were dialing it in lol

[@DivinityDown]

Ha silly guitarist with your tiny strings😂 Bass is Dominus! jk. I do love my 7 string though.

[@LeeJoRo]

Same. 5 string bass, 7 string guitar and a pitch shift is all you need

[@briansmith7223]

6&7string bass and 9string guitar here

[@omgwtfbbq2011]

my 8 string guitar tone sucks because i only have six, i wanna get an 8

[@jergilmartin]

Hell ya dude

[@alejandrodiaz8978]

u sure u need those 2 fist strings?😂

[@scaleitback1055]

It’s actually because nothing could make modern metal sound good.

[@autechrr]

Hope I win!!!

[@Flaeron1]

My 8-string tone sucks because I'm terrible at guitar 😎

[@user-qh5en1io5v]

How does he know my tone sucks? The nerve of this guy here

[@matthewwillinger8475]

Don't go down the Captures rabbit hole. You'll never come out. Lol

[@jeremyschiesser7086]

Once he immediately went to the conformist V30, I lost interest.

[@BaenaCarcosa]

Glenn Fricker viewer detected

[@strongestwaffle]

Am I first?

[@codybrown1531]

first

[@jii-ro7083]

Well it sucks cause its an 8 string. 7 string is the sweet spot.

[@miaouew]

There's maybe one or two 8 string players out of every single one that I have ever heard that I can tolerate listening to from a musical standpoint. It all sounds absolutely horrible to my ears, which was really strange to me when the 8 string started becoming popular a few years ago because I love heavy music. I have arrived at the conclusion that very few people actually use the 8 string properly. I don't know if it's technique or what but hardly anyone can manage to make the instrument sound any different than some clumsy little kid at guitar center randomly strumming the open low strings.

[@vincentalix-renaud7430]

man i hate living in quebec

[@BaenaCarcosa]

Sorry! Idk why the rules there are so fucking weird for giveaways though, nothing I can do about that unfortunately

[@ankedevyver9749]

I'm a beginner at this tone creating stuff, but I've been wondering: if you hear something you don't like, how do you know if it is the amplifier/the cab/a certain setting within either of those?

[@FastFret758]

It’s all about the amp you favor like this example he knows he likes the peavey range and which cabs are best suited for his type of playing. When you are familiar with that you can eq things a lot faster and avoid having to deal with things you don’t like in your tone.

[@abdullahkuzhan7247]

The cabinet is the one aspect that effects tone the most, it basically defines the character of your tone and does a bunch of shaping in advance, so does the power amp but not as much. So that's usually where you'd start and just go by taste. Everything else is just experience. Too muddy? Usually too much gain or the low end is not tight enough, an overdrive helps. Too fizzy? Usually too much high end. To better cut through a mix and more punch in your tone you need mid frequencies. Too much mids is going to sound boxy though. With these kinds of tone you'll always have to get rid of a lot of bass because the guitar is already tuned super duper low and needs clear separation from the actual bass guitar.