As an AoS player, while I am happy Old World is coming back to the Tabletop, I am also excited for this because I also want to see the other factions HOPEFULLY joining along as separate dlcs or additional content later on with my hopes
@lordcommandernox919711 ай бұрын
That's so magnanimous of you. As a Fantasy fan, I wish AOS to be canceled and for its fans to be left wondering why GW would do that to them when not even a week before they were selling rulebooks and sets!!! Never trusting GW again
@TheMinidow11 ай бұрын
wake me up when sylvaneth or seraphon are up.
@staalforsfh11 ай бұрын
@@lordcommandernox9197Please excuse us while we play our non-dead game
@TalinSilverbane11 ай бұрын
How spiteful. Glad you won't be returning to the Old World then, you sound like you'd throw a hissy fit if you lost.@@lordcommandernox9197
@dafq914911 ай бұрын
@@lordcommandernox9197 go be angry on total war platform or something
@redluke811911 ай бұрын
Super excited about this game I am getting my 6 year old and I the dominion boxset kruel boyz and Stormcast for our first armies. Love AoS.
@bruuuuuuuuhhhh11 ай бұрын
Nice!
@radish_dash415511 ай бұрын
I have been hoping for something like this for ages, I feel like one of the reasons that people don't give AoS a chance is because it doesn't have enough good media outside of the tabletop while Fantasy and 40k chug on, I really hope this is finally kicks off the wave of online popularity AoS has deserved for so long now
@bradypus5511 ай бұрын
I really like Age of Sigmar's setting and premise. While Battle Fantasy is a end time apocalypse setting, Age of Sigmar is a post-apocalypse setting. Reality got destroyed in the end time so all the gods tried to rebuild pocket realms based on their theme (dead world for dead gods, violent worlds for violent gods, etc...). It's essentially barely held realms fighting each other for resources. The stormcast eternal i like a lot. Their lore is that Sigmar was losing the faith in men who all mostly turned to chaos so he artificially created people based on hero's souls who still worshiped him. Everytime they die, their body gets reforged and essentially are immortal. However, there is a dark grim twist. Unbeknownst to all of them, each time they get reforged, a piece of their persona gets lost in the process. So a Stormcast eternal can still enjoy sunsets but will eventually stop finding joy but will for, some reason, still watch a sunset cause that's their habit. It's not their memories they lose but the emotions they felt from them that disappears. Eventually, they will become just mindless soldiers who forget why they even wanted to be heroes in the first place. It's quite tragic! When Nagash the god of death offered them a way to stop being immortal and actually die for good, lot of them willingly accept the gift to get out of this cycle of depression. Pretty grim stuff!
@lordcommandernox919711 ай бұрын
The lore for AOS was that GW wanted to have copyrighted race names, even though they stole their races from authors such as Tolkien. It's not genius, original or creative, it was a corporate move that ruined the settingg. You look at the setting you can clearly tell where the seems are.
@expanddongerydoo3411 ай бұрын
@@lordcommandernox9197 Mhmm, sure buddy.
@lordcommandernox919711 ай бұрын
@@expanddongerydoo34 Definitely not your buddy.
@hewge707211 ай бұрын
Old WH Fantasy is as stock-standard Tolkien clone as it gets. AoS is exceedingly more fun & original@@lordcommandernox9197
@jonathanwatson448411 ай бұрын
I think AOS did start up rough but at the time the setting seem to be branching out, look at FEC which dispite having an small model range, has some of the best lore in-game it only an matter of time really
@kosm99911 ай бұрын
The game also has a map builder for those curious.
@hades_deathgod949611 ай бұрын
Great guide, shame you didn’t mention the map builder, can’t wait to see the community creativity with that feature, RoR has shaped up to be quite the incredible game and I hope many people discover the wonderful world of AoS through it.
@sev112011 ай бұрын
Watch how quick someone makes a penis or swastika
@chukksy11 ай бұрын
I like this game. I have one main complaint though: units are moving way too slow
@carbodude541411 ай бұрын
Big Guys in Big Armor sell so much money that they made a new Warhammer Fantasy setting where the good guys can have Big Guys in Big Armor too
@redluke811911 ай бұрын
Yes in order to make money and offer services a business must look at what sells best. Well done economic study has done you well!❤
@kosm99911 ай бұрын
From what I understand the stormcast don’t even sell that well. Slaves to Darkness is the best selling army currently.
@bruuuuuuuuhhhh11 ай бұрын
@@kosm999iirc it's a toss up. The Sigmarines and Slaves have so many models each, which usually means people like both. Some day we'll get some Beastmen updates. Someday...😢
@memed450911 ай бұрын
from what I heard age of sigmar models are selling worse than battletech now including demon models
@franzsanders95735 ай бұрын
@@memed4509Not to be _that_ guy, but what’s your source on that?
@toddvogel888711 ай бұрын
Kinda reminds me of a mix between Halo Wars 2's Blitz mode and Dawn of War 2.
@codybonds11 ай бұрын
It’s funny you should say that, my wife loved hall wars and has been playing the hell out of realms of ruin as well.
@Paddythelaad7 ай бұрын
it is quite like DOW2
@ArkBlanc11 ай бұрын
Can't say I like how it forces you to be agressive in order to win with victory points. There should be an extermination victory rule that you can use instead.
@myzorbos11 ай бұрын
there is! it's definitely a gamble though and requires t3 units to pull off without blowback
@Sir_Gerald_Nosehairs.11 ай бұрын
I'll wait and see if the Lumineth and named characters crop up. Be interesting to see if this game gets a DLC out before Thrones of Decay..!
@shadowlicked11 ай бұрын
the upgrayedd reference seems like a deep cut in 2023, very nice.
@omegon254011 ай бұрын
If i were to guess who is coming next i think gloomspite gots or ironjawz(goblins or bigger arder orks) cities of simgar or karadron (alliance of good and sky dwarves) khorne and flesheater courtes(they are ghouls and loads of new stuff is on its way)
@codybonds11 ай бұрын
I personally want to see Sylvaneth.
@LRSdet11 ай бұрын
I’d love to see slaves to darkness
@Grammar_police4209 ай бұрын
The paint option is fucking cool
@LRSdet11 ай бұрын
Maybe add Skaven/ maggot kind of Nurgle/ slaves to darkness as a faction. Any of those will be a definite buy for me
@theghostoftom991611 ай бұрын
I'm going to wait until they come out with more factions. It reminds me of the old Dawn of War. And honestly I know they only had four factions to begin with, but I think I'm going to go with a wait and see approach.
@WinnaTheKing11 ай бұрын
I love this game.
@Manwu511 ай бұрын
Gonna give atry seems very promising
@stevadr11 ай бұрын
Very interesting Title. Am liking everything im seeing so far
@nfnlord111 ай бұрын
I hope for Fyreslayers in this game
@Vileurple11 ай бұрын
Thanks for the info Cody! Another great tips video
@thanquolrattenherz966511 ай бұрын
but the most important question is up in the open, will the stormcast eternals become skaven allies you can play as?
@jimdob652810 ай бұрын
This game was so close to exactly what I wanted. I would have loved to create custom hero’s and be able to change equipment of my men. I hate storm hammers. I would give my shield boys either a giant mace or power sword. Don’t change anything but the aesthetic.
@julianpourdanesh333911 ай бұрын
Man I hope they put in ogor mawtribes I’ll buy the game in a second
@ImperatorZor11 ай бұрын
About 55% of all railways are set to standard gauge. This means that the rails are 1,435 milimeters apart and accommodates trains with wheels spaced out 1,435mm. This gauge was contrived by Robert Stephenson, one of the most important pioneers of railway technology in the early 19th century and who helped various European countries set up railways set to Standard Gauge. The US also bought British locomotives and adopted Standard Gauge. There are some exceptions. Narrower gauge railways are cheaper to build and maintain and can take narrower corners more easily and wider gauges offer a smoother ride and accommodate larger trains. For various odd reasons, the British Empire used wider gauges in Ireland (1,600 mm) and India (1,676 mm). The various colonies (latter states) of Australia adopted various gauges including Standard, Narrow and Irish Wide gauge, which caused a lot of problems that took a century to sort out. Spain, a latecomer to Railway Development adopted a gauge of 1,668 mm specifically so that if the French invaded they could not run their trains on Spanish Tracks. Though the Spanish Colony of Cuba both acquired railways before mainland Spain set to standard Gauge. The Russian Empire similarly adopted a Wide Gauge of 1,524 mm for the same reason, a move which a century latter would hinder the Nazis during their invasion of the Soviet Union. Japan during the Meiji Restoration would adopt a Narrow Gauge of 1,067 mm, but would use Standard Gauge for their High Speed Rail transport system.
@codybonds11 ай бұрын
I think Maglev might be a bit smoother.
@TheArklyte11 ай бұрын
Indeed, the transfer of railway gauge from russian to european gauge was one of the first defensive measure of new independent polish state. And it helped to stall the soviets a bit. Sadly Poland hadn't anticipated that autocratic socialists band together 😅
@kapitankapital658011 ай бұрын
That's very interesting, especially about the military considerations of different guages
@highmarshalbalian6807 ай бұрын
Waited for this to be cheap on G2A. Got the Ultimate edition for $1.42 and that’s about the price it’s worth after playing the Beta
@theswarmsquad360611 ай бұрын
So fantasy has total war and AOS has off-brand company of heroes?
@nwoizaakgoldmann451911 ай бұрын
I am not that much into AOS so i am wondering what happend to Karl Franz and the other humans? Are they still in this world as a faction?
@codybonds11 ай бұрын
They all got blown up in the End Times, some human factions do exist but they serve under Sigmar now.
@lorenbucko781511 ай бұрын
Very nice dude. Definitely a good first look for since I basically forgot the game was releasing
@REK4N3 ай бұрын
Hi, this game will run on 8 gb ram?
@zxt514811 ай бұрын
It sounds a lot like DoW2, which I absolutely loved.
@sheepfly11 ай бұрын
More like Dow 3
@stephenjenkins797111 ай бұрын
@@sheepfly After playing it; no its definitely DOW 2.
@HiddenEvilStudios11 ай бұрын
Question: Does this game require an external launcher and account, or can you play it directly through Steam? Also, is there EasyAntiCheat or something equally invasive? I seem to recall that Tencent was involved somehow, but I could be confusing things. Are blood and gore an option, or does that not exist?
@sverker782611 ай бұрын
The demo was directly through Steam, the full game should be as well.
@gregoryshinn980511 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video
@Ranckorr11 ай бұрын
I want Seraphon added to the game. At that time, I’ll pick up the game and play it
@Caliif11 ай бұрын
Looks quite good but I think I wait until it's on sale
@BlackWallMute11 ай бұрын
I may call it age of shitmar even if its pretty cool stuff. The meme is to strong. I may not buy the game on release either but damn is this cool, i do want it but i am sadly poor and have to wait for sales. God does this ever remind you of dawn of war 2 and like the hyper fantasy has so many cool layers to it. It will be added i am sure of it but the forces of life the Sylvaneth and the Pirahna fish people would be very nice to see later down the line :D
@Sharunock11 ай бұрын
before you press play or buy?
@eventhorizon49211 ай бұрын
Are we gonna get updates on Rogue Trader or no because it’s 40k? Just wondering. Thank you for another great video Cody Bonds!
@loganmavin127311 ай бұрын
Alright I’m guessing not but am I the only one who realized this is basically dawn of war three but good
@tincano-beans211411 ай бұрын
The demo had real dow 3 vibes 😅
@dpc10711 ай бұрын
Blessed Sigma!
@zxt514811 ай бұрын
The planet "Grrr?" I don't know if I should be amused or angry.
@victorcharles2711 ай бұрын
BOTH😊
@nachoguy511 ай бұрын
It's "Ghur" - the Magic Wind of Beasts from Fantasy.
@mguy592311 ай бұрын
@@nachoguy5 Ghur... what you said made me really angry... Ghur...
@nachoguy511 ай бұрын
@@mguy5923 Hey tbf I never said it wasn't silly in Fantasy lol
@thesaviorofsouls521011 ай бұрын
I find it odd yet i kinda welcome includinf a specific chaos gods army instead of either all 4 or just not any of them.
@saifkhandaker33417 ай бұрын
Like the game mechanic. Probably closest game to DOW 2 in a while. Only complain unit movement is too slow
@pappajappa1111 ай бұрын
so it is CoHammer?
@shinkicker40411 ай бұрын
Is it limited to multiplayer pvp outside of the campaign?
@barbos150711 ай бұрын
It has a rogue like skirmish mode. A series of skirmishes vs ai with different modifiers.
@NobalGaming11 ай бұрын
You can play Vs the Ai in the Single player section. You can also do Conquest mode which is a long Campaign function that is generated using a seed. You can also host custom games to play again Ai with a friend. There is also a map making tool.
@solomani595911 ай бұрын
Is it just randomly generated battles for the campaign mode? No story? Is there a campaign for all five armies? As in a story or just random maps?
@thingmate736111 ай бұрын
There's a dedicated story mode with a bunch of missions that has you jumping between factions, plus Conquest, which is kinda like a Roguelite game mode. Plenty of story fro those that want it, I bought early access and it's a blast!
@Kosmiverse11 ай бұрын
There's 1hr 30min worth of cutscenes so ye.
@solomani595911 ай бұрын
@@Kosmiverse TY
@solomani595911 ай бұрын
@@thingmate7361 TY.
@secretagenttau223311 ай бұрын
So this game is very similar to Dawn of War 2 correct???
@Vasily_Kotickovitch11 ай бұрын
Games Workshop has banned salling of its products in Russia. Frontier has banned selling this game in Russia too. On Steam only. We can buy it in Epic Games store, and the regional price is adequate - 1/3 at the world rate. Although I condemn politicss and double standards, I really love Warhammer Age of Sigmar!
@phreak81111 ай бұрын
So this is KIND of like DoW?
@Apallus189511 ай бұрын
Dawn of war 2 meets fantasy
@mustacobra11 ай бұрын
I want nurgle or slaneesh, but i know slaneesh doesnt get games because censorship issues
@bruuuuuuuuhhhh11 ай бұрын
They're in Total War. It could work
@royasturias178411 ай бұрын
The game is rated PEGI 16, close to ESRB M.
@mj9121211 ай бұрын
Meh, not super interested, let me know if they add Seraphon, might check it out then.
@DukeFavre11 ай бұрын
I want all this. But Turn based.
@royasturias178411 ай бұрын
AoS Storm Ground (published by Focus Ent), you can still buy, no playable representative of Grand Alliance of Destruction though
@Juria198711 ай бұрын
This reminds me so much of the DoW that killed the series...with the map set up of grab these points to build on generators, small squad cap, small maps, and capture point focus stuff but...eh maybe it will work better in this sort of setting.
@TheArklyte11 ай бұрын
DoWII was great, piss off. You may go enjoy your favourite DoW3 :P
@balrogdemorgoth474111 ай бұрын
No Skaven, no buy, simple as.
@meltingskeleton208211 ай бұрын
So this is Dawn of war 1/2 mixed with Age of SIgmar....how have I not heard about this months ago?! lol
@richardkutsera499211 ай бұрын
I dunno, I bought this game, cannot win a damn skirmish against normal AI. Orruk vs Stormcast, and they just overwhelm me every time, their hero kills all my units alone, my hero meanwhile is almost worthless...
@codybonds11 ай бұрын
Drop the difficulty. I wasn’t kidding about that part. It’s brutal at first.
@richardkutsera499211 ай бұрын
@@codybonds And I'd assume than that easy is not too easy?
@richardkutsera499211 ай бұрын
@@codybonds Yeah lol... Medium I could not win, Easy, was too easy to win. That sucks XD
@brianlammers928311 ай бұрын
new noob's guide when??
@celasthienf11 ай бұрын
Wow, cool new RTT game. But I will wait for another one in 40k or fantasy battles setting.
@chrisdude26757 ай бұрын
Hmm made for console., maybe its more fun on there cause it really sucks on pc. They took everything bad from Dawn of War 3 and made it slower.
@drakemguard140711 ай бұрын
Someones gonna make a Dota out of this on Map editor for sure
@DavidQuispePajuelo11 ай бұрын
No Skavens, no thank you...
@95DarkFire11 ай бұрын
So this game is essentially the AoS version of Company of Heroes/Dawn of War? Interesting.
@Erebus_the_trustworthy11 ай бұрын
To bad it uses Denuvo. No sale for Spyware.
@AlexWithington11 ай бұрын
It seems to be like dow aos edition
@MrDavis-oz6uw11 ай бұрын
1st tip. Game is total krap!
@jare345911 ай бұрын
this game sounds like it Win more type of game. You lose points you started down ward spiraling lose a unite cap building you will be out number. as well your income can go in tailspin as well. basically i can see Meta going be build around destroying focusing you enemy down instead taking control points.
@thingmate736111 ай бұрын
I haven't played against people yet so idk about metas there, but at least against Ai (even normal like I'm playing against) there is a lot of push and pull
@NobalGaming11 ай бұрын
I won a game last night with only 13 points left on my team's score. Our enemy had over 300 and we managed a strong cap and kept ahold of 4 points out of 5 (some maps have 3 victory points, some have 5) and it was incredibly close but rewarding.
@calvinater111 ай бұрын
What is with warhammer games trying to make the game a MOBA but try to trick the rts fans. game looks fine but its definitely not filling the need the community has.
@uupdown211 ай бұрын
so it's kinda a MOBA?
@royasturias178411 ай бұрын
DoW2-like, and I've played CoH2, Iron Harvest and Ancestors Legacy to be familiar enough with such breed of RTS.
@ProgenyofEurope11 ай бұрын
Looks like Dawn of War 2 (thats a good thing)
@eglewether552311 ай бұрын
Noobsguide when ? :D
@codybonds11 ай бұрын
Soon™
@xel_nave11 ай бұрын
Man idk if I'll get over the new look for the orcs
@charlesclark838711 ай бұрын
That’s just the Kruleboyz, they’re new to the setting, I don’t really hate them, I kinda like that they adapted differently from the Ironjawz and bonesplitterz, I’m sure they’ll add some of the classic boyz later on.
@bruuuuuuuuhhhh11 ай бұрын
@@charlesclark8387I want my Gloomspite Gitz!!!!!😅
@TheMinidow11 ай бұрын
it's warhammer company of heroes, there, done.
@ObliviousNaga11 ай бұрын
Gives me Dawn of war 2 vibes
@kdc85811 ай бұрын
Waaaaagh!!!
@Wyrmvonsturm11 ай бұрын
Why does it look like a ported mobile game from 2018?
@Decinomic0n11 ай бұрын
This is just dawn of war 3 but fantasy
@swiip10011 ай бұрын
this video feels like sponsored content without trying to look obvious about it.
@sheepfly11 ай бұрын
Exactly
@guildy31111 ай бұрын
LOL!! So someone makes a high quality video without being whiny or petulant and your first thought is 'conspiracy'? Dude, the TW community has done you wrong. Expect better.
@arthurpouzet609811 ай бұрын
Was kinda hype until I saw the retreat button, like in Dawn of War 2. Not a fan of this mechanic
@royasturias178411 ай бұрын
Then you must be a "Not One Step Back" kind of RTS player, you not fond of replenishing lost squadmates after an engagement .
@arthurpouzet609811 ай бұрын
@@royasturias1784 I like risks in RTS : if I have planned an attack poorly, I find it cheap to be able to just ultra run home, instead of having to fight my way back while suffering casualties. Basically what was DoW 1 and is AoE2.
@MrGrim11 ай бұрын
this is so sad lol everyone keeps comparing it to DoW. yeah the worst fucking one, DoW3. a game built ENTIRELY around the least fun meta of all time. sad.
@stumblinzz5 ай бұрын
Sir why are all your knights pink, cmon bruh
@animatronic240911 ай бұрын
Tip 1: dont
@melkhiordarkfell435411 ай бұрын
My big hate for AoS actually didn't come from the Sig-Marines at first, it was Nighthaunt, having a ghost for everyone. Take Old World, it doesn't matter if you were Bill the tailor or Ulthar the Orc Slayer, you both end up as zombies in the same unit. AoS has what I call "D&D syndrome" where like D&D you have like 15 flavours of zombie, regular zombie is a monster but a zombie of a drowned man is a different monster, a zombie of a man betrayed is also a new monster and somehow has a higher CR. That kind of thing took me out of the setting.
@CrusadiaIX11 ай бұрын
Basic Deadwalker Zombies are literally still a thing, the Nighthaunt are just Nagash weaponizing his afterlife punishments as weaponized convict-soldiers
@melkhiordarkfell435411 ай бұрын
@@CrusadiaIX I'm aware of the normal zombies are still around, it's not the zombies themselves, it's that in D&D it's silly to have one of every monster in the setting, it's actually very much a thing with Stormcasts to have just an overflow of everything. Then you get something insulting like the "Flesh Eater Courts" kitbashing the Crypt Horrors and pretending it's a new unit.
@CrusadiaIX11 ай бұрын
@@melkhiordarkfell4354 The fact you dropped that particular comment barely an hour before Flesheater Courts had their full range update announced with new heroes, cavalry, infantry and Ushoran himself is very funny.
@nazrertwo509811 ай бұрын
Warhammer fantasy and Warhammer 40k had an awful mutant incest baby and now we have Age of Sugma
@gunslingerspartan11 ай бұрын
If I have one complaint for this game its the combat looking cartoony, Warhammer of all flavours is and should always be a brutal affair, the impact of say, a giant demigod of a man with the power of sigmar and anime on his side should rend flesh and send lesser foes flying, but in this game its two sides playing animations at eachother
@Bojack113511 ай бұрын
Really surprised an age of sigmar game came out due to how little it's liked by the fanbase.
@hades_deathgod949611 ай бұрын
What are you talking about?
@lordcommandernox919711 ай бұрын
But they've already made one flop AOS game, guess they needed to be certain?
@brianwalsh133911 ай бұрын
I mean AoS is alright. We’re long past the days of people hating it. I’m more mad because I wanted Khorne and not fuckin Tzeentch in this game
@hades_deathgod949611 ай бұрын
@@lordcommandernox9197Storm ground wasn’t really a flop, it was a good game, they just missed on the longevity of such a game
@hades_deathgod949611 ай бұрын
@@brianwalsh1339Tzeentch fits the story better, at least it’s not skaven or nurgle
@Crimgar11 ай бұрын
Boring video. Would be nice if you spoke upon when to upgrade to tier 2 and 3 and for which factions benefit at which times as well as match ups between the factions. This bare bones description of the mechanics could be learned by reading and playing the tutorial.
@StormcastMarine11 ай бұрын
I wanted to love it, but it felt like a game of whack a mole 😔
@mullerpotgieter11 ай бұрын
So you want to play this game...don't
@Daiciyomon_459411 ай бұрын
Worst launch ever
@royasturias178411 ай бұрын
Explain the Mostly Positive reception from Steam subscribers alone
@Daiciyomon_459411 ай бұрын
@@royasturias1784 Then what is your positive, beside I don't trust the others
@gordonthefish11 ай бұрын
Cody Bonds, from funny dad to human advertisement. No thanks.
@clockwork137611 ай бұрын
Warhammer was always dumb but AoS is both dumb and simplistic. Lore being compartmentalised, with worlds, things and characters being "The X of Y" reduces the complexity of thought put into worldbuilding to something far less than the sum of its parts. Warhammer was messy and contradictory, nobody had power levels, things happened, characters lived and died just when it was needed - pulpy, fun fiction.
@Pelagion9811 ай бұрын
Couldn't care less about AOS.
@lordcommandernox919711 ай бұрын
Its fun to hate at least.
@sheepfly11 ай бұрын
Both Dow 1 and 2 are so much better than this crap, i guess new games can only be better at graphics because in gameplay they are failing hard.
@heobinhlovemeo11 ай бұрын
From someone have not even played it lol, i played both dow1 &dow2 till today, and this game have its own potential. Dont need everygame have to be like dow1. This game play exactly like dow2 with more effect and skill & economy control
@lordcommandernox919711 ай бұрын
AOS? HARD PASS,
@heobinhlovemeo11 ай бұрын
Who care 😂
@lordcommandernox919711 ай бұрын
@@heobinhlovemeo exactly, who cares about AOS when WFB is getting a release soon. Hopefully not you
@MySuperPowerIsITouchGrass11 ай бұрын
Ya who cares about the second most popular tabletop wargame. Clearly WFB, a game outsold by paint, is far more important and we should all ignore this!
@lordcommandernox919711 ай бұрын
@@MySuperPowerIsITouchGrass until WHFB sells more because you already built your AOS armies and obviously they can't sell them to you twice, so what better way to sell you more figures than nuking AOS?
@lordcommandernox919711 ай бұрын
@@MySuperPowerIsITouchGrass That is what GW did to WHFB fans, they took their setting from them because it was so popular everyone already had 1 or 2 armies, and that's why it wasn't selling. Had they revamped the rules and figures without the stupid end times, we'd all be happy and have reasons to throw money ast them.