Do or Don't: Seraphon (Lizardmen)

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BOK
0:00 - Intro
1:01 - Brilliant Sponsorship
2:48 - Background Lore
4:54 - Lore Positives
12:02 - Tabletop Positives
17:25 - Lore Negatives
20:23 - Tabletop Negatives
24:14 - Conclusion
24:58 - Frog Emperor Best Emperor
Music:
Kevin MacLeod - Lord of the Land
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[@thejuiceking2219]

bok

[@captaintitus4637]

@@thejuiceking2219 bok

[@xxbomba9780]

Please do a video on StarCraft races in Warhammer

[@johnd2058]

25:30 No, but that's because NO, not reasons.

[@PrestonDCox]

Excuse me, Mr. Pancreas. I have a question: Do you have plans to make a video on the SoulBlight Grave Lords? Kinda want to hear thoughts on that faction.

[@Glandorray]

The reason Nakai in Fantasy is my favorite character- A young woman screeches in terror as her newborn infant daughter is being sacrificed on an altar to Slaanesh by a group of cultists, she cries out to the gods for help. Suddenly a twenty foot tall gator-man stumbles into the scene and death-rolls all the cultists, looks at the weird screaming babe and picks it up, awkwardly placing it back in the arms of her mother. Nakai utters two words. "Where north?" The mother, still in shock but only barely cogniscent of what is being asked points in the direction of north. Nakai goes the opposite way. Two days later, an entire brigade of lizards shows up and asks where the holy one has gone. She points in that same direction. The Skink priest guiding the convoy of followers indicates that 'yes, he follows the great plan'. This is my own personal interpretation and characterization of the Lizardmen, they're likely to be more apathetic if not aggressive toward humans...but y'know what? Nakai's a good boy and this feels in character for him!

[@angrycup8708]

Funny

[@puffthemagicdaddy5761]

I like that he killed so many demons in one spot that they refuse to go there because he gave them ptsd.

[@seanmcloughlin5983]

Another thing I love about Nakai is that Lizardmen are driven by instinct, even Nakai being the most intelligent Kroxigor is only intelligent enough to speak and otherwise relies on his lizard instincts and the great plan So he didn’t even do it because he thought to, he just instinctually had the need to help her and all other people who live in peace with nature He’s like if the Wood elves weren’t completely insane

[@queenofsparrows9890]

'Here is your spawn, meatling. Directions please.'

[@killerflamingo9566]

Imagine a farmer being approached by a small army of lizard men asking for directions

[@albertomoreno6771]

"see chaos, apply club to face" - as a player whose first army is Seraphon, this man knows my soul.

[@Lumavah]

One of the AoS lore bits I enjoyed in the new Sepharon book was when a Stormcast Eternal and Saurus were guarding a gate to a city. The Stormcast keeps trying to make small talk to the Saurus, who just doesn't care, until the Stormcast mentions how many kills she got. The Saurus responds by slapping the ground with its tail to reply its own kill count. Was pretty nifty.

[@jonathanwatson4484]

just shows the serpharon are still noble predator beast

[@ce4879]

Main issue being Saurus aren’t engineered to talk non-seraphon language.(Skinks can and indeed are made to quickly learn any language to the point it’s actual a problem to get Them to shut up xD ) However Saurus can communicate through simple gestures, Old One devices or as “Stars and Scales” rpg supplement notes can learn sign language to communicate with an others like when they assist a Soulbound party. Which of love the idea of this massive reptilian warrior from the stars that just beamed down from a spaceship having to flex its digits around to talk and hope the nearby people understand. xD

[@jdjones7855]

Do you remember the counts?

[@RedCascadian]

I can picture the scene now. THe whole time they think this guy is some taciturn brute, someone who speaks a sign language the Saurus does shows up, they converse. "he want's you to know that it actually does hurt his feelings when you keep talking about him like he isn't here. And his name isn't Scales, he wants to know if you'd like being called 'skin' all the time." @@ce4879

[@Lumavah]

@jdjones7855 They were fighting Orruks, and it was 12 for the Stormcast and 14(?) for the Saurus. The Saurus communicated the count with one distinct slap, then four more, so that's how I'm interpreting it.

[@PhilosophicallyAmerican]

Seraphon pros: You have adorable, precious Skinkies! Seraphon cons: Occasionally, you must put the precious Skinkies in danger

[@johndunn1625]

I've got a block of club skinks I call the Redshields that I intentionally put out in front to soften charges against more useful melee units. To date they've killed maybe 6 or 7 wounds worth of models total despite regularly getting wiped out to a man in every fight, but their redshirt sacrifices have always ensured my warriors or kroxigors a chance to absolutely wreck house

[@PhilosophicallyAmerican]

@@johndunn1625 That is the most evilest thing I can imagine. You monster!

[@Shinshocks555]

Chameleon skinks are the danger.

[@MenwithHill]

How many saurus lives is a skink life worth ? Seven.

[@jannovy7229]

Where is the lore saying Skinks are gay? Maybe with that revelation I can convince some libs to start Warhammer.

[@docterfantazmo]

I love how even the genetically engineered, magic laser wielding, space dinos who were born and bred to curb stomp Chaos could NOT put down da greenskins.

[@arcotroll8530]

Well they were never any threat to Lustria... And the savage orcs of the Southlands cannot seriously threaten any of the temple cities there either

[@ratmeister9284]

@@arcotroll8530 Doesn't change the fact that even when the Old Ones were actively purging troublemakers, the Green boyz just kept on kicking.

[@arcotroll8530]

@@ratmeister9284 Yeah but what I'm saying is, this purge took place in Lustria and a part of the Southlands. The Lizardmen, as with the rest of the world had no interest on the Badlands and still don't. They don't care about any place outside their holdings really, unless they have a reason to, such as going there to retrieve a relic of their empire, and even then their interest is strictly temporary. In fact, the only time they cared to establish any kind of overseas outpost was during the war in Albion.

[@ratmeister9284]

@arcotroll8530 I thought we were talking about before the chaos gates collapsed when the old ones were still around and had more or less total control of the planet. Were the Greenskins not around for them to purge? Or did they only have the lizards in the places you mentioned even then.

[@arcotroll8530]

@@ratmeister9284 It doesn't matter. Also I think they also made the Greenskins same as with the other non-chaotic races (including the Skaven) so they might not have wanted to exterminate their own experiment, even if it went out of their control

[@angrymarine7974]

I love the lizardmen. Simple in their motives, juvenil but cool concept or dinosaurs riding dinosaurs with lazors. Brilliant.

[@Grishnag85]

Best faction in warhammer, love them

[@jaydensalzman5878]

Just bought my first models in a seraphon army box should arrive tomorrow. Any suggestions for a color scheme?

[@terrykrugii5652]

Juvenile? Yes. Fucking hype as hell? *Absofuckinglutely*

[@TheKlink]

Turok-ception!!

[@WurrzagsMorkyMischeif]

​@@Grishnag85best faction?! YOOS HAZ ANGERD DA GODZ!

[@dank_smirk2ndchannel200]

The Seraphon are hilarious when you think about it. You got the Skinks who are these little Vietcong dudes who can tame the deadliest of dinosaurs, some can become wizards, and some are master assassins that can blend into the shadows with ease. You got the Kroxigors who are like 8 feet of pure crocodilian muscle and bulletproof scales that spend all day doing construction and getting swole. You then got the Saurus who are these masters of combat with thousands of years of experience under their belt and are basically SM combined with dinosaurs who are able to swallow a human wizard like a slim jim. Then you got the other dinosaurs which consist of: - Carnosaurs: Tyrannosaurs but with actually useful arms and a velociraptor killing-claw on all four limbs (aka, angrier versions of the Megaraptorans from Kaimere on steroids and crack) - Bastiladons: Ankylosaurs with a massive laser on their back. - Troglodons: Simo Häyhä reincarnated as Spinosaurs who don’t need eyes to headshot you with acidic venom that'd make Hive Fleet Gorgon jealous. - Stegadons: Ceratopsians which can alter the laws of reality themself. - Ripperdactyls: Pterosaurs that got just a bit to comfortable with piranhas on one long winter night and whose resulting spawn got addicted to licking toads. - Terradons: Pterosaurs that took just a bit to much inspiration from Fat Man and Little Boy. - Aggradons: Raptors that make a Khorne berserker look hematophobic. - Raptadons: Raptors that are somehow as smart as the skinks, taking "clever girl" to a whole other level and are said to be connected to the literal Seraphon god of wisdom himself. They also act as paladins alongside their Skink riders. - Spawn of Chotec: Lizards who think that swimming in lava is a bit mild and breathe enough fire to put a dragon to shame, which of course is also acidic. -Etc. Taking all that into account, it makes you wonder what absolute beast could even hope to lead these things, and then you find out that it's an obese frog on one of those floating chairs from WALL-E. And you, understandably and rightly, chuckle at the sheer absurdity of the situation, until you realize that these especially rare Pepes are able to turn a continent inside out with just a flick of a finger and erase you from existence with a semi-conscious frog fart. God I love the Seraphon.

[@pizzalord6763]

Absolute w comment let goooo

[@dank_smirk2ndchannel200]

@@pizzalord6763 thanks, lol.

[@markusala-turkia3079]

Yeah I don't know if an explanation exists but I'd love to know why the Old Ones' interpretation of the ideal creature to master magic was rare pepes so fat that they need floating chairs to move around. I have two of their new sculpts waiting to be built right now and I love em.

[@thesittingacheroraptor7565]

@@markusala-turkia3079 "Look dave its way funnier if some dumbass chaos berserker got zapped by an obese frog, rather than a dinoman"

[@Razzrazz90]

"This is the ideal Celestial body. You may not like it, but this is what peak BOK looks like"

[@jewishdictionary1715]

LE BOK HAS ARRIVED

[@captaintitus4637]

Bok

[@pougetguillaume4632]

The Bank Of Korea is an institution it can't move God i hate saurus

[@amw5288]

BOK!

[@Zach-xf5my]

God it infuriates me when they talk about the Bristol orienteering klub

[@AmngoAsus]

BOK!

[@Evangel-aclr]

I love how GW sits their and hypes up the god skeleton of man kind and yet they keep making similar characters as him who do things better then he has ever tried to do in the past. if you want me to believe this guy is so cool then have him actually do something besides rotting on a golden throne that wasn't even meant for him in the first place.

[@cousinzeke4888]

They don't want you to think he's cool, they're deliberately tearing him down.

[@Evangel-aclr]

@@cousinzeke4888 then why is he so over hyped in the books

[@bajscast]

Jimmy Space is worse at fighting chaos than Nagash, who is their other god skeleton

[@WurrzagsMorkyMischeif]

He can't even "god" correctly

[@mrbigglezworth42]

@@cousinzeke4888 That feels more like a recent endeavor by some Black Library writers who both hate the setting and really, REALLY, like Chaos.

[@hammer1349]

In defence of the lizardmen going to space, the skaven literally dropped the moon on lustria and no one is surviving that kind of an impact. The seraphon also were responsible for guarding the remaining eggs and survivors of the draconian empire, thus giving us the dragons that are buddies with the stormcast we have now.

[@travislyonsgary]

I kind of like the idea the Dragons are related to Sotek somehow.

[@victory8928]

@@travislyonsgaryimagine if sotek is just an old grumpy dragon who looked at the lizard men and went “only good thing the old one buggers ever made” then proceeded to help them once he got addicted to warpstone filled Skaven blood and went on a Skaven killing spree

[@phantomwraith1984]

I'm also a skaven supremacist, but credit where it's due, Gorrok and Kroqgar fighting on a literal skyscraper of skaven corpses during the endtimes was so badass

[@thesaxon3966]

"Gorrok, he's an unhinged sociopath on a suicide mission to make you Uninstall the game. I know, because he almost did it."-reggie

[@alejandroelluxray5298]

​@@thesaxon3966Which video was that XD?

[@thesaxon3966]

@alejandroelluxray5298 "I used swamp monsters to become a God in total war warhammer 3" also the last sentence is not actually in the video.

[@Never_heart]

I will forever love that basically every other character that comes back from the dead needs either a complex meticulous ritual or a god to bring their soul back to life. But Lord Kroak just decides "Well that was a nice nap time to wake up return to life and mini sun nuke some Chaos" and just by deciding he is done being dead for now it becomes true. Or how Nakai was able to give demons PTSD. During a massive Chaos invasion, massive as in a literal flood of demons massive, Nakai's city was being attacked. The demons where seemingly unstoppable, until Nakai stood upon the one bridge deeper into the city and challenged the demons alone. He held the bridge by himself against the Chaos tide. He beat them so bad that even after the demons reformed in the Chaos Realms, they forever would hesitate when attacking a bridge because what if Nakai appeared here as well?

[@CrusadiaIX]

Kroak is literally too intelligent to stay dead; bro just manifests a new Tulpah every time.

[@dodojesus4529]

​@@CrusadiaIXoh no, its rem lezar. May he have mercy on us all

[@parkermaisterra8532]

Didn’t realize it but now I wish we saw the Lizardmen fight the Necrons. I Don’t care how and I don’t care if they are literal universes apart. I want to imagine someone tell these badass dinosaur people that all the old ones are dead and it was because of the robot space Egyptians then watch as two badass factions go to war

[@akumaking1]

I think in third Edition of 40K, you could use Lizardmen to represent the forces of the Old Ones in the War in Heaven.

[@fedupN]

There is actually some lore bits to justify this. There are snippets that state how the C'tan love the taste of the Old One's "degenerated descendeants" and hate them real good, a Slann exist as part of the Cabal in the Horus Heresy, the Slann race (more akin to Lizardmen as whole and not just Lord Kroak Slann) exist since Rogue Trader and while ignored have not been retoconned out, and GW have stated to use Lizardmen to represent backwards Old One/Old One Servants on the tabletop, like using Ork rules as proxy. Besides, lets be real. If the Squats can be completely Squatted into Leagues of Votann and Necrons revamped into having personality, Lizardmen can totally fit.

[@TheMinuteman]

A necron Pheron standing on a newly conquered world, only to see a flash in the sky and a single shout barking out across the sky “BOK” The danger sigils screaming across the royals sight. Warning alarms? Danger extreme? Another cry. Closer now “BOK” Sudden rememberance. Of danger. The forces that drove them back so often. It left a scar on their very culture. The knee breakers for the old ones. “Oh, oh no”

[@dustinnabil798]

​​@@TheMinuteman"The knee breakers for the old ones" Lmao

[@TheMinuteman]

You look at an 8 foot tall blue lizard shouting BOK against a cancer ridden space eypgtian at the behest of a space frog that rivals Big E as a psionic sun spot and you tell me they "arne't" knee breakers? @@dustinnabil798

[@nerdyvids1]

Looks like we’re getting a one-two BOK between Lorecrimes and Pancreas. Lord Kroak approves.

[@TheRemembrancer]

BOK

[@captaintitus4637]

Bok bok bok

[@Copperbagel]

Can we all agree that just hearing about the Seraphon/lizardmen beating the shit out of other factions in the coolest ways is the best feeling. We need some books from their perspective.

[@Tokumastu1]

If the Emperor ever saw the Seraphon not only would he feel inadequate , but he'd wonder why the Custodes didn't come out as good as the Lizards.

[@grmpynrthmn5371]

You've gotta mention Oxyotl, a Chameleon that makes Sly Marbo and Kaldor Draigo combined look mid.

[@roetheboat1]

-Is fighting against the demons from the First Great Chaos Invasion. -Gets pulled fully into the Warp itself alongside his comrades and his Slann lord -Is forced to watch as everyone he ever knew is either torn apart by demons or is turned to dust due to time running amok due to being pulled into the Warp -Ends up managing to survive by using his natural skills for stealth, which includes covering himself in the blood of slain demons to hide his own scent from pursuers -Keeps his sanity intact through sheer force of will despite spending an incomprehensible length of time living in the Warp itself -Finally figures out a way to get back to reality, only to discover that at least 7 millennia have passed since he was pulled into the Warp -Rather than give in to despair over how far his people have regressed during that time period, he immediately accepts the state of things and begins hunting down demons again -Due to the length of time he spent in the Warp, he has somehow managed to attain some innate ability to detect/predict when greater demons are attempting to break through from the Warp. He uses this ability to set up traps and ambush the demons before they can fully break through

[@speetza6265]

@@roetheboat1Also, he managed to kill great unclean ones with poisoned blow darts. While a simple-minded fool would say that’s impossible, a true lore aficionado would say “cry harder” as chameleon Doomguy melts Nurgle’s Jolly Green Giants with the Golden Staff of Pt’Ooe

[@jungko0216]

@@roetheboat1 And the Slanns DO NOT want to know how he escaped the realm of chaos.

[@MrNetWraith]

Fun fact; originally, the Slann and Lizardmen were two entirely separate factions. This is OLD Warhammer lore, going all the way back to the 2nd and 3rd edition, but originally the Lizardmen were the original inhabitants of the Warhammer world, reduced to barbarism after being conquered and defeated by the invading Slann, who reshaped the world in such a way that humans and elves could then grew to dominance, and then ironically degenerated into tribal barbarians themselves. Whilst slann armies could field lizardmen, they were press-ganged vassals only slightly better off than the legions of drug-addled, castrated human slave-soldiers that the slann also fielded, and the slann varied from the now-iconic mage-priests to warriors and scouts. 5th edition is where slann and lizardmen were rewritten into differing castes of a singular reptilian-based biotech robot race created by the mysterious Old Ones, thus taking the form they are now synonymous with today.

[@ravenRedwake]

“Seraphon” I think is one of the better copyright names GeeDub came up with.

[@ce4879]

It’s more fitting too. Seraphon = Seraph = angelic cosmic being Lizardmen =\= neither lizards nor men That’s like when the Slann from that old Burning Shores novel called the human & dwarven explorers “coast monkeys”. It’s rather disrespectful when you think about it.

[@TCStink3]

I find it amusing that GW just named them after Malekith’s old dragon mount.

[@Mecha_Hitler]

@@ce4879Good slur

[@markusala-turkia3079]

@@TCStink3I've been reading the End Times books recently and the use of the name gets a bit confusing when you're used to AoS.

[@jungko0216]

@@ce4879 well the Eldars name for humankind is literally Monkey (Mon-keigh).

[@ravagegames4963]

ever since i think 6th edition i loved how they redid lizardmen they took them form an odd kinda side race and made them incredibly badass! Lets face it the concept of dinosaurs riding other dinosaurs is just excellent

[@RotGodKing]

Kinda makes me want to play Ark and ride dinos around.

[@travislyonsgary]

The thing I really like is the pure conceptual coolness of them essentially becoming straight anti-demons. Like actually outfitting demons on both counts of bade features and plans

[@TheOriginalPoon]

as a first generation mexican american who loves dinosaurs seeing aztec dinosaur people riding t-rexes in Warhammer 2 made it an insta-buy. i can't believe this shit is real, and so amazing

[@CheshireTheMaid]

You might also like the Argonians of Elder Scrolls, who also have a bit of Mesoamerican look to them (at least in Elder Scrolls Online). They also scared the shit out of the God of Destruction when his arnies attempted to invade the Argonian homeland.

[@evanjk8151]

​@@CheshireTheMaidI still find it funny that argonians whooped demon's asses, invaded their realm and liked it better there than black marsh lmao

[@dank_smirk2ndchannel200]

I love how the Fangs of Sotek have this petty rivalry with the DoK. In the Free Cities, there are rumours of disturbing sacrificial rites wrought in the name of a so-called 'serpent god'. The skinks claim ingorance, citing only their desire to see their adopted homes flourish. When a noble is found dumped in a canal with their heart savagely cut out, many assume it is the work of the bloodthirsty Daughters of Khaine - especially when it is later uncovered that the deceased possessed interests many would deem vile and blasphemous. However, the Daughters note the fanged brands subtly carved into the flesh of the sacrificial victims, and argue otherwise. Basically, it's the two going "They’re the one sacrificing people and cutting out their hearts!", "No, THEY'RE the one sacrificing people and cutting out their hearts!" like a duck-season / rabbit-season skit

[@TheLordofMetroids]

One thing the coxices mention, the Seraphon are shockingly Kitbash friendly. They take on the traits and physicality of the realm they put their base in. So those who land in Aqshy might become pure fire or obsidian monsters. Those who land in Shyish might start to be born without skin, becoming skeleton lizards. Stuff like that.

[@minibotas9496]

Fuck now I want a Lich-esque skink priest

[@PerplexedArmadillo]

3 times I have majorly enjoyed Seraphon in AoS lore. In the 2nd Realmslayer audio drama a Skink tells Gotrek "No" In the Crawling City book a Stormcast and Verminlord are fighting when a Slaan floats up. Both are surprised thinking he'll obviously intervene. He just floats there observing and then leaves. In the FeC battletome a Slaan tries to summon a horde of Sarus warriors in the middle of a conflict, but has started to fall under their delusion and so to his horror they just start violently eating each other and then him.

[@MrWolfpack131]

For the 3rd bit, under whose delusion? Khorne? Great Horned Rat? Who caused the summons to eat both each other and their summoner?

[@zincgoblin7538]

@@MrWolfpack131 Flesh Eater Courts. Their whole premise is a Nagash curse that causes the ghouls to believe they are chivalrous knights serving a great lord but are instead cannibal monsters that slaughter and eat everything. I don't think this is a mechanic for anything other then one terrain piece, but lore wise if anyone is fighting the Courts, they suffer the illusion as time goes on. It drives the enemies of the court insane and cause them to fight themselves.

[@gabrielkow8867]

​@@MrWolfpack131the FeC, or Flesh Eater Courts, are a faction in AoS that is composed of cannibal ghouls that suffer from a collective delusion where they are civilized , noble people, so they'll see themselves as righteous knights enjoying a banquet after facing Chaos, when in reality they are feasting on the corpses of the peasants they just raided and slaughtered. The curse can be spread by partaking in their cannibalistic rituals or through other magical means, so i assume that in this instance the Slaan was facing a considerable force of FeC, tried to summon some Saurus, but fell into the curse and everyone ate each other.

[@echo_ironside8006]

What page is that in the FEC battletome?

[@mikd157]

Did that skink survive?

[@puffthemagicdaddy5761]

Tzeentch: "Just as planned." Old Ones/Slann: "You mean just as WE planned."

[@capriciouscat6679]

That official Age of Sigmar ttrpg that was mentioned, Soulbound, actually has a small supplement book that allows you to make Skink Starpriest or Saurus Oldblood player characters, and while as mentioned in the video the book says that they are especially fitting for dipping in and out of adventures (for players who can’t always regularly come to games), they’re still perfectly fine to run regularly as any other character

[@philiphockenbury6563]

Neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed iiiiiiiiiitttttttt! I so want to play as Dino lizard robot man thing! Head empty only smash chaos and enemies of friends because they are part of the great plan! BOK!

[@ce4879]

To add to the “in AoS they solved their spawning numbers problem so are everywhere now aren’t doomed by losses” their space ships and temple cities multiply too. When they gain enough energy they unfold like golden puzzle boxes and self-replicate.(Old One STC’s/3D printers) This is how they went from the End Times having only a few dozen temple-ships fly off the planet to now their faction map shows they have vast fleets stationed all across the Arcane Cosmos with more temple cities besides that are on top of AND on the underside of the Realms. That’s even why with the recent Life Flood Alarielle made causing unexpected havoc and disrupted the cosmic balance which angered the Seraphon(to the point the no longer can ally gameplay-wise with Sylvaneth like they could in the past) they did let it slide because the cosmic energy unleashed energized both their fleets to multiply, cities self-expand & even reawakened long dormant buried vessels in the Realm crusts which were repaired and able to fly off.(for the Sylvaneth’s part they’re making amends by hunting down the elementals & monsters the Life & Beast floods have unleashed) Also makes and interesting symbiosis where the Seraphon maintain the ships to replication point and the ships in turn make more spawning pools for them to continue populating from(and occasionally unlock hidden vaults of powerful weapons or unhatched monster eggs they can take).

[@BossEvasion]

My precious lizards are finally getting a spotlight! I’ll be cradling my comfort skink as I watch this, don’t read into that.

[@PhilosophicallyAmerican]

Precious Skinkies are the highest form of life in AoS and Fantasy. All my Total Warhammer campaigns are fully dedicated to preserving their lives.

[@terminator572]

My favorite Lizardmen moment was when in the Burning Shores novel a Knight Errant from the Bretonnian expedition declares a crusade on the Lizardmen and goes off to fight them, only for an Oldblood to pile dive his ass off a cliff

[@RRed19]

He got Reinhardt charged… ouch.

[@thequietman5934]

I actually believe that any faction can have good novels written starring them as the protagonist. For example a novel about a Beastman rising through the ranks of beastmen to become the leader. A novel about lizardmen could work if it's a comedy.

[@RedCascadian]

An ensemble cast series, told from one perspective per book. When it finally gets to the Saurus warriors perspective... we find him to be a surprisingly thoughtful soul who's torn between not being able to talk to the others, and the skink finally shutting up by virtue of being dead.

[@thejuiceking2219]

i want a story about a beastmen that's half beaver and is constantly fighting between his beaver instinct to build things and his beastmen instinct to destroy things

[@thequietman5934]

@@thejuiceking2219 I would read that.

[@thejuiceking2219]

@@thequietman5934 'look at this wonderful dam i've built...KILL IT!!' also they keep wondering if they're actually a skaven

[@RedCascadian]

@@thejuiceking2219 the duality of beaver-man.

[@EliteWarrior1026]

Me stumbling across the Total War Warhammer 2 trailer a few years ago: "Meh, elves doing magic stuff and dark elves attacking them. Seems like a standard fantasy setting." Dinosaur suddenly runs up and eats some dark elves before a giant army of AZTEC DINOSAURS appears! Me: "........Well that's new! SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!"

[@jebrooks]

I'm basically only into 40k in the warhammer universe but lizardmen make me wanna get into fantasy/aos, not gonna lie

[@austinjohnson6642]

I'd recommend reading gotrek and felix

[@shadow-monger5189]

Both are good. I also lean a bit more in the 40k direction, but total war got me into the fantasy setting. I actually think Age of Sigmar will be fun.

[@Zerato]

Used to play fantasy tried sigmar pretty much every new edition and still hate the game and lore lol

[@gamingwolf6735]

@@shadow-monger5189 Total warhammer III is what got me interested in fantasy, the Seraphon (lizardman) is what got me invested in fansasy

[@EmonWBKstudios]

T.rex was a scavenger. It was also the apex predator of its time, but it wasn't about to pass up a free carcass. Fun fact, T.rex's bite force could rip into ankylosaur armor.

[@RipOffProductionsLLC]

That is not what scavenger means, that term is used to specify animals that eat the dead for the majority, if not entirety, of their diet. Otherwise every carnivore, and even some herbivores, could be called classified as "scavengers".

[@echo_ironside8006]

​@RipOffProductionsLLC every carnivore eats the dead-

[@RipOffProductionsLLC]

@echo_ironside8006 that was my point, thus why the term "scavenger" is more particular than just "eats dead things", but specifically "the overwhelming majority of their diet is dead meat". Thus, apex predators like T. Rex are not scavengers, even if they'd obviously not pass up a free meal if they found one.

[@dixieslav1274]

I mean, bears and lions today will take carcasses from other predators, like wolves. Makes sense that a T-rex would do it to. Doesn't make it a scavenger, as it could and did regularly kill things for itself. Unlike vultures.

[@taylorbarbieri4018]

Not much of a scavenger but more of an “opportunist”

[@synth8519]

Oh, I’ve been waiting for this one! Amazing content as always. Kroq-Gar never ceases to be a win.

[@pougetguillaume4632]

So sad he ded Kroqy was such a legend, skrolk definitly understands why

[@synth8519]

@@pougetguillaume4632 the hell you say, you tellin me someone killed him??

[@pougetguillaume4632]

@@synth8519 grimloq was killed but kroq gar, because he was the manliest lizard to ever lizard, survived his fights... We simply haven't seen him board the ships, hence why i assume he is dead because every kroq gar model right now isn't actually kroq gar. During the endtime he was doomguy in a sea of skaven he might not have been able to board the ships. But if you're an optimist you can just say he hasn't shown up yet in aos because reasons. grimloq is deader than dead though that's for sure.

[@synth8519]

@@pougetguillaume4632 shit man Grim-Loq was such an MVP poor guy

[@Kroq_Gar]

Appreciate you

[@romeobelisario3190]

To be fair on their End Times failings, they did give everyone a chance to at least try to succeed since they stopped the Moon from crushing the world thanks to the Skaven trying to draw orschliebb down to earth.

[@timebrain3188]

Oh hell ya, Lizardmen! I they were the main reason I got Total War: Warhammer and became a fan of Warhammer Fantasy. What can I say, dinosaurs with LASERS are cool as hell.

[@TheStargateNerd]

I bought this year's christmas boxset for the Lizardmen, and the Army Set from earlier this year. I don't even play Age of Sigmar, I just need more aztec reptiles in my life.

[@TheDocPlatypus]

They have arguably the best minis in all of Sigmar, the quality is through the roof

[@BidnessGoose]

Honestly, there are so many interesting characters they could have that they just aren't. Like imagine Oxyoatl having survived the realms of chaos, having guided a spirit of Nakai out leading a new templeship to keep leading raids into the 8 points and stealing important relics for either recovery or destruction. With the classic big guy small guy slap stick routine.

[@seanmcloughlin5983]

One of my favorite things about Warhammer Fantasy was how old things felt, like you say the Saurus killed most of the preceding species but some like the Zoats and the Formir still held on the most remote of places And how little we know about them added to the mystique of the world before the Old Ones

[@jefrosiers8880]

The mighty children of the gods, their servants, their soldiers. Truly the Old Ones blessed the warhammer world when they created them

[@dank_smirk2ndchannel200]

Interestingly, it seems that the Seraphon have been working on trying to understand the other races of Order. This has resulted in the Skink Starpriests having an extra role as diplomats: *Besides expertise in the magical arts, Skink Starpriests are amongst the most gregarious of their breed and possess a natural talent for dealing with non-Seraphon. The Fangs of Sotek particularly make use of Skink Starpriests, and within the Free Cities they serve as chief ambassadors to the city authorites at the behest of the skink embassies.* - Battletome: Seraphon (2020): Priests of the Seraphon, pg. 28-29 Speaking of the Fangs of Sotek: *The Fangs of Sotek are most closely aligned with fellow forces of Order, or so they claim. As Oder began to enroach upon the realms once more, the strategy of the Fangs shifted. Once defined by their massed saurus assaults, Zectoka's true desire was to forge a united front against Chaos - albeit with the Seraphon pulling the strings. Therefore, the Fang's skinks, being more civilized, were embedded within the societies of the Free Cities. These skinks serve as crafters, scribes, and readers of oracular portents, growing more renowned as the decades passed. Thus, the Fangs of Sotek became a curious hybrid constellation, partially Coalesced yet keeping much of strength hidden within the temple-fleets.* - Battletome: Seraphon (2020): Fangs of Sotek, pg. 17

[@blakeking1125]

Kroq Gar was so badass the old ones made an entire species just of him

[@williamvillatoro302]

It's my birthday and Pancreas releases a vid on my favorite Warhammer faction? Couldn't ask for a better gift.

[@5n4k3d0rk]

Happy birthday!

[@williamvillatoro302]

Thanks man!@@5n4k3d0rk

[@Raboon115]

Imagine, if you will, a green Seraphon blending in with the Orruks.

[@Bluecho4]

"They didn't ruin the Lizardmen's lore." Yes and no. While the "Seraphon" _currently_ allow you to flavor your army as either constructs of light or flesh-and-blood creatures, this option wasn't present in the very first iteration of them in AoS. In 1st ed, constructs of light was the ONLY option. A part of GW's general initial mishandling of AoS as a whole. It's later that they did a saving throw by retconning the division between them, to give Lizardmen fans the option of running them the way they used to. So in a sense, GW DID ruin the Lizardmen, but then un-ruined them. Probably after people complained.

[@daasbuffy]

The worst thing about 40k is that the Space Wolves exterminated the Space Lizardmen during the great crusade.

[@BossEvasion]

Another reason why the Space Corgis suck.

[@edmundthespiffing2920]

The nephilin? The one mentioned by Loken in Horus Rising?

[@daasbuffy]

@@edmundthespiffing2920 No, the Nephilin were fought by the White Scars. I have been searching for the species name but all I can remember is: "Encountered by Expeditionary Fleet (can't remember the number) and exterminated by the Space Wolves sometime during the Great Crusade." It was a literal 2 sentence explanation of what they were.

[@noahjester8471]

So the Seraphon are basically "Ancient Aliens" as an entire Warhammer faction. You need not say more, let us revert to lizard together

[@discountplaguedoctor88]

I literally beat my first campaign with these guys in Total War: Warhammer.

[@igloo8159]

is it weird that I kinda want to do a weird battle where the lizard men somehow end up in 40k and fight like space marines and shit

[@danielaverbuck5475]

No, no it's not

[@hansofkrieg8022]

The Lizardmen artwork for TW: Warhammer 2 is what got me to take an interest in fantasy Warhammer

[@DeusExAngelo]

Finally, I have been appeased! A video on the best faction is finally here! Jokes aside, I was wondering if you didn't like or care about the Lizardmen (the best men) at all. I am pleased to here you sing them such high and honest praise as a follower of The Great Plan.

[@chrisedrington7945]

I was so excited when i saw the new models! I love the Lizardmen: they're dinosaurs riding dinosaurs with lasers, and in battle they're stong enough to be forgiving of misplays, but havve enough shortcomings to feel like winning takes skill and finesse.

[@PANDORUM12]

Yes! Lizardmen where always my favorite, and I've been waiting for you to get around to them. You just made my day.

[@justahobbiest]

I cannot express how long I've been waiting for you to do THIS video! Very excited to see your take on the Old ones children, the chose ones, those who taught your elves the ways of magic!

[@victorhoyseth180]

This is my favorite faction hands down, across both settings. Thank you pancreas for following the great plan and giving us a video on them.

[@franzsanders9573]

Excellent work, dude! The Seraphon are one of my favorite AoS factions, and this was an utter delight! :)

[@gavinbob5697]

Hey bud just letting you know me and my partner sit down and watch your videos together all the time your sense of humor is wonderful and I find it very charming the way you speak. Kudos to you and your gaming prowess

[@MinisMapsMayhem]

I really enjoy this video. Love the lore/strat style and speed. More please.

[@yamibakura8597]

I love it how every Warhammer Faction that made it to AoS got their shit shoved in and had to be put back together after being mercilessly brutalized by Chaos and then the world exploding, except for the Lizardmen, who saw the End Times coming and decided to just leave. It kind of reminds me of how all the Doplhins left Earth right before it's demolition in "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy".

[@notareptilianiswear.6600]

Finally! My boys are here! Thanks for covering them, Pancreas!

[@Lusus-zj9pt]

Glad to see more AOS, Espesally Lizardmen, I was really interested in this faction

[@avocadoarmadillo7031]

I had an absolute blast painting and basing a bastilodon. Really fun models.

[@chromerabbit]

Legend! I've been hoping for this vid a long time.

[@Lunch_Meat]

Not sure how Pancreas would take this given his relationship with space marines, but I am currently building a Frank Frazetta caveman/Conan the Barbarian themed army that uses the dino monsters from these guys in place of vehicles/dreadnoughts. Because the fact that there ISNT already a dinosaur space marine army is yet one more reason that 40k is just not living up to the same standards as fantasy/AoS.

[@davidcollins9213]

Slann: Go ahead call me fat, that just means you failed to note the fact that my skull is half the size of my body

[@avocadoarmadillo7031]

Ripperdactyls and terradons have a place in my heart. Glass cannon that synergizes well with their flying leader and a buff spell or two (which you can manage if you're committing them)

[@MrGetPWND1]

If i had a dollar for every Aztec themed fantasy lizard race, I'd have at least 2 dollars

[@colorblindwizard7200]

Just yesterday I was looking for a do or don’t for lizardmen and was disappointed that there wasn’t one. Glad to see this!

[@Vanquish.0909]

So happy the algorithm (the Warp) has blessed me with your channel (the Emperor's Will)

[@TalonsAU]

Awesome, uploaded as I was going to sleep. Thanks for the sweet dreams.

[@AJweathersby]

Oh, you did the Big E dirty in that comparison to Lord Croak. Lord Croak was only dealing with 1 planet, and is now dealing with “realms”. The Emperor is busy powering an Intergalactic lighthouse, monitoring and performing divine intervention across an entire galaxy, creating his own daemons and daemon princes out of some of his followers, and doing who knows what else in the warp. I imagine that there are plenty of chaos daemons who don’t like seeing a giant man-made beacon flashing in the warp that the Emperor has to deal with.

[@jesperkarlsson2853]

Love the lizardmen, favourite total war faction, Go'rok and Kroak combo is never beat

[@greenxxxable]

And no acknowledgement for Oxyotl? The one Lizardmen Skink badass enough to not only Doomslayer his way against Daemons on their home turf, but got kicked-out if said realm BY THE DAEMONS. Maybe.

[@samwalch5374]

Great video, probably my favorite faction. Looking forward to total war lizard men episode (if you grab enough settlements as nakai you can afford multiple Saurians in your main army and it’s amazing)

[@justsomewitcherwithalongsw4233]

I’ll be honest. What drew me to them is my favorite beast race in Elder Scrolls. The Saxhleel, commonly known as Argonians.

[@villax5376]

Greetings marsh brother/sister

[@justsomewitcherwithalongsw4233]

My frills twitch in greetings towards a familiar presence. May your scales never dry and your Hist Tree ever prosper.

[@bismarckbonedaddy6899]

Finally!!! Ive been waiting for so long! Im so happy to see my lizard bois!!

[@switterbeet9580]

Great video as always! Are you planning on making Do or Don't Adepta Sororitas? Nothing would make me happier than hearing your take on them :)

[@byzantinebyron6947]

Their premise is just the best thing ever. You may say Oldblood on Carnosaur, I say 'Angry dinosaur riding even bigger, angrier dinosaur shooting God-lasers out of his hand' AoS is just the best.

[@scionoftheemperor1240]

I hope you do a video on the Kruleboyz soon. They’re probably the best and most interesting thing AoS has done with the Greenskins and I’m genuinely thinking of making my first AoS Army of them.

[@logandaley1544]

Ah the faction that convinced me to get Warhammer Total War 2 because of their looks and a childhood love for dinosaurs. One of my top three factions no doubt.

[@thesmashingbadger4644]

Imagine being that chaos Lord. You dedicate your life to the dark pantheon, only to be fucking obliterated by a 8ft lizard, and in your final moments you look up and see a celestial pepe... Yeah, I'm starting a Seraphon army.

[@gutfriedvonguttenberg5614]

As far as I understand the lore The only thing they can't restore are the Slann every single one of them is older than the new age and even Sigmar himself, they were created directly by the old ones But in AoS they tend to die by the dozen every time a new big event happens...

[@ce4879]

Yeah, they’re their only finite resource. Like when one got cursed while orbiting Shyish and fell ill the skinks on board were so desperate they beamed up a traveling Lord-Relictor Stormcast out of the blue and begged him to help with his healing powers to save the Slann. Bright side though is the Star Priest skinks are stepping up more to fill that job roll now in guiding their race so they’re not left devoid of leadership or cosmic control. Also with how every new Era also has the Old One stuff unlock new abilities for them(like the new Raptadons & Aggradons whose hatcheries on the ships were long predetermined by the Old Ones when to appear) there’s probably also a fail safe when Slann numbers get too low to start spawning a new adaptive breed(thus new models to sell)

[@Formula_CHNO]

Love these do or don't age of sigmar videos, really helping me quickly learn the lore, hope they'll do the Ossiarch Bonereapers soon as they're what dragged me into this setting making me a big fan after being a major hater

[@aaroncsantana]

Great video! Your view to subscriber ratio is insane. Never seen anything like it.

[@leonidasking7502]

Yaaaaaas, i been binging you for a week or so. Wondered why there wasnt a lizard one. It it here!!!

[@johnwayne387]

I truly do appreciate keeping the AoE/AoM music for all this time

[@UnholyWrath3277]

My headcanon: At the end of fantasy the slann and lizardmen who left the planet decided that chaos could only be stopped by wiping out the sentients that feed it and thus performed a ritual similar to what the emperor is said to have done thus creating a powerful hive mind that sought to consume all life. After traveling several galaxies they arrive in 40k as the tyranids and use the collective power in magic they held to create the shadow in the warp

[@Max-bg7oo]

The lizardmen are legit my favorite figurines to paint, i'm currently painting Kroq-Gar (the guy from the last defenders) and he's very cool to paint, on top of looking very good.

[@angelangelis8362]

If I had to give a reason as to why they are all Kroq Gar now is that, he was so good at his job, the Slaan asked him to sacrifice his life to make an entire spawning of ones like him, pretty much making ever single one of them one of his "kids." They are trying to make him proud.

[@trizick5379]

I've been waiting so long for this episode

[@BrandonVonOtt]

I had no idea these existed, but this is incredible to learn about

[@rjaredm]

I've been waiting for the lizardmen video. Great job

[@aroguespartan7627]

While I am a 40k fanboy first snd foremost, I absolutely love the Lizardmen/Seraphon, and they are by far my fav race in Warhammer Fantasy! Especially now that they are a lot more proactive and cooperative with other good races!

[@CanaiLore]

My brain trying to listen to the cool lore explanations, but also hearing all the unit voice overs from AoM because of the background music lol. Awesome stuff either way, used to play Lizardmen in WHFantasy, might try them again in AoS!

[@THEGREATMOLINA]

Ive been waiting for this for so long

[@Hello-1814]

I love your channel. I’m also pancreas no work. I’ve been a type one diabetic since 1989 and I’m on a pump now my last A1C was 6.1. I hope you’re doing as well.

[@ChucktheSpicyChicken]

Funny thing about the intro, i was actually re-watching your fulgrim video then i saw you made a new one.

[@paragonrobits809]

I've been waiting for this one for a while! Like... literally ever since I heard you mentioning the Lizardmen in past videos, or acknowledging in some way that the Lizardmen might hytpothetically be referenced. I'm a simple man, I heard 'Aztec dinosaurs riding bigger dinosaurs while fighting with magic frogs and crocodile ogres' and I have been obsessed with them ever since. (And true, citing them as a big good faction involves a LOT of caveats but... lets be honest. This is Warhammer and that's kind of part of the territory.) Fun fact but ever since I learned about how the Lizardmen are essentially biological robots that find satisfaction in upholding the function they were created for, I first keep thinking of it in terms like 'Ah, they're the SECOND thing that fits that motif like SU's Gems' which is surprisingly hard to find. And secondly, it occured to me that they technically function well as a direct equivalent to the Astartes for Fantasy/AoS, even more than the Stormcast Eternals. Literally made and built to fight the impossible and win, biologically engineered to fight Chaos and similar threats, immensely huge by human standards... they're essentially Astartes as their own species caste. The idea of a thousand Kroq'gars is a tremendously appealing one. (Also, a LOT of Grymloqs. Ironically this technically means that not only is he NAMED for the King of the Dinobots Grimlock, there's technically more variants of Grymloq than there are individual Grimlocks in established Transformers continuity, and there's a Transformers continuities. Even more if you count sub-continuities, like whatever's going on in the relation between Beast Wars and G1. That is no mean feat, let me tell you!) On the topic of 'Big E sucks, Kroak best emperor', I'd note that Kroak is arguably THE big good guy to all of the non-Chaos/destruction factions, at least in the sense of him ensuring all of this can even exist. (He might not be a statesmen in the same way as Karl Franz, though to be honest I am a little fixated on the idea of the Lizardmen taking notice of Franz because he's cool like that.) Conversely the Emperor is... well, there's multiple videos on that!