$80,000 DISAPPOINTMENT!? 2022 Ford F350 7.3 Platinum Gasser Review

Nice Truck, but I expect MORE for $80,000! How about Air Suspension, Air Seat, Lower Ride Height?
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00:00 Introduction
00:28 Update on 2018 F350 Diesel
01:25 When and Why New '22 Gasser
05:10 Gas vs. Diesel Pulling Power
05:50 Gas vs. Diesel MPG
08:13 Gas vs. Diesel Cabin Noise
09:22 Bed Height TOO TALL
10:24 AMP Research Bed Step 2
10:47 Power Deploy Running Boards
12:25 AMP Research Side Step
12:51 How Much Did It Cost?
13:54 2018 Super Duty Front & Rear Camera Failure
14:18 Ford Super Duty 360 Degree Cameras
16:05 $80,000 Disappointment
18:40 Suspension Too Rough
19:08 Kelderman Air Suspension?
20:23 Air Seat?
21:33 GVWR/GCWR
23:12 Proximity Lock/Unlock Push Button Start
23:58 Thankful For New Truck!
24:40 2023 Super Duty Redesign
25:40 Used Truck Values Going Down?

[@ourkentuckyvalleylife2333]

Here's something crazy, our 13acres and trailer was $10,000 less than your truck. 😯

[@greatmoose17]

I did the same. Still drive my old paid for truck and instead bought land. Lots of land :)

[@Retarded229]

16.5 acres with house, brand new tractor for less than price of that truck.

[@Nightshade_6.7]

@@Retarded229 what state?

[@Retarded229]

@@Nightshade_6.7 Kentucky

[@Metal_Stacking]

Lol

[@jesseboehler8900]

Great video, and I agree with everything on the new trucks. It makes it harder to buy new ones when older or flat bed trucks are more friendly to work out of. Thanks for the honest review.

[@tuffram2165]

Tim the main reason these trucks are so tall now is because they have raised the body up higher, so the floors are almost flat. The older generations trucks had a huge transmission tunnel for the trans and the drive shaft aka the hump as we use to call it.

[@DanoFSmith-yc9tg]

Yeah I have a 2001 Ram 2500 (second gen) , it has 3500 rear suspension, and 2” coil spacers on the front to level the truck out with the beefier rear end, and 35” tires, my roof line is at the same height as all new modern 1500’s but I have nearly a foot more ground clearance. All new cabs are more upright, and taller for more headroom, making the truck seem a lot taller then it actually is, yet the frame is so much lower.

[@gordonborsboom7460]

Is a trans hump any more of an obstacle then a full size console?

[@tuffram2165]

@gordon borsboom I would say yes because you have a choice on the console. The console is functional for the occupation of the cab. The trans tunnel is just an obstacle that the occupants have to deal with. In crew cabs the tunnel affects the rear seats also.

[@davidkendall6801]

Absolutely love my flat rear floor. If that makes the truck higher, that's a good tradeoff to me. I have a dog crate on my rear floor.

[@myballsitchsomethingfierce6319]

@@gordonborsboom7460 Consoles are leveled and don't extend to the rear passenger compartment.

[@drewwagner7985]

Good video bringing up some valid points. I bet the air ride suspension would work with a minor tweak to the exhaust. IMO, it would be worth it. I found that dropping the pressure in the tires and upgrading to Fox 2.0 reservoir shocks helps tremendously with ride quality. Good luck with the new ride. It would be great to hear your thoughts from time to time on it.

[@s_hassell97]

Bought my 2017 used with fox shocks. Not sure when the previous owner put them on because I bought it with 43k, but just replaced them at 62k. Ride never felt good from the time I bought it. One of the fox shocks had absolutely zero gas/liquid left. I could have rebuilt them but for the price of that I went out and bought billstein 5100s. Hopefully I get more than 20ish thousand out of these compared to the terrible foxes.

[@PurpleCollarLife]

Good info about your decision. We switched from the F350 Super Duty Diesel to the 7.3 gasser this year too. We have few regrets. I like how quiet the truck is. I like how you can hear that exhaust note rumble when you are pulling heavy. Ours is the XLT and we really miss the leather seats and the center console. We actually did a couple videos on our channel of why we made the change and what options were “must have” for us. We tow a 12,000 lb 5th wheel with ours.

[@chrisdebolt2122]

This is why I prefer my old 1995 F 250. Full length running boards. 7.3 diesel. Low bed rail height. Simple technology. Old reliable. Plus it’s hard to break things when you only make 200 hp.

[@NXT_LVL]

Twin tanks... my dad's work truck was a 97 F350 7.3 5spd Std cab short wheelbase dually.. Had a steel flat bed on it and towed a 32ft goose neck trailer with a 1982 4400 JD and a Detriot diesel powered Herbicide spreader with chemical+100gal of water. pulled like a Freight train, still on the road now with well over 275,000 miles

[@crewdawg2008]

@@NXT_LVL 275k on a 7.3? That's not even broke in good yet.

[@l8tapex]

I had the 1994 250 XLT 😊 till 2018.Chevy2500 with 8ft. leaf springs suck ass. I just bought a Ram with coil springs. WOW rides so great it crazy. Im about what works... not a brand.

[@AmericanSurvival001]

@@crewdawg2008 actually it is because it will need a new radiator and it will need bulletproof a new head studs around 300,000 miles and the cost of all that will be about $6000

[@AmericanSurvival001]

@@l8tapex yeah ram has been building better riding trucks since 94. I bought the first year of the new model ram and I had so much more horsepower on a better ride than my brand new Ford. I traded my Ford back in at the dealership and went and bought a ram and put 400,000 miles on that gas engine.

[@jdfleetguy28]

Great video Tim. Congrats on the new truck. I have seen that in the Ford fleet Specs guides that I use where I can on certain models alter the weight ratings like you mentioned. I found that really Interesting, when you showed what happened to your cameras, I immediately thought that looked like what I would think looking through the back side of a cloudy headlight cover that had been sun etched would look like. Makes perfect sense that sun will eat away at the clear plastics on the headlight housings, that it would do the same thing on the clear plastic camera lenses housings. All be it for different reasons, I too buy the big Ford Godzilla gas motors in my business HD trucks. For me I buy diesel trucks for myself to use, but because I have seen in the past that many of my employee's that drive the trucks have no clue to diesel truck operations, much less all the emissions equipment. Almost guaranteed if I ordered those F450s we use with Diesels they would end up on hook because one of my people is bound to put either DEF in the diesel tank or Diesel in the DEF tank at some point. LOL The reason I still prefer diesel for myself is nothing really to do with fuel prices one way or the other. For the past few decades Diesel HD trucks have really held their value far and above about any other vehicles on the road. I recently replaced my 2015 RAM 2500 Diesel with a 2023 GMC 2500 HD diesel, and I got about 8K more out of my RAM then I paid for it 8 years ago. Even prior to Covid I would book check the value on that truck typically once a year just to see where I was at. That truck never booked more then 4K less then I paid for it. Due to Covid supply chain problems my old RAM brought a lot more than I ever dreamed it would. Generally, there is a substantial premium in used segment for the diesel option. Which when compared to gas residual values, the diesel always wins by pretty wide margin, typically enough to cover any added cost. With these new more powerful gas trucks of recent years I am going to be very curious to see how that and the high diesel prices effects the HD truck market over the next few years.

[@Lumber_Jack]

This was great Tim, it all resonates with me and my truck uses. I have the same observations even on a different brand. My biggest gripe is the price of new trucks -- while my truck does the job, at some point you can no longer talk about value because the trucks have gotten so expensive. But until consumers stop forking over the money, the manufacturers will keep charging high prices. These big trucks are extremely profitable and they know it.

[@andrewslagle1974]

All the dealers (all makes ) near me are all charging 10k over sticker! no way in hell would i pay that, i will keep running my current trucks. i would like to trade mt 2018 ram 3500 dually diesel for a new model but not for the crazy prices, no way!

[@briangc1972]

The 20" wheels and tires do not make the truck taller. The OD of the 17", 18" and 20" tires are all the same from the factory. The 20" rim is taller but the sidewall is lower, which results in a more stiff ride, but better control on the highway, with less load capacity (the air in the tire is what actually carries the load), and a much higher replacement cost later.

[@randalls5210]

It would all depend on what tires were installed at the factory . Between the 18 and 20 inch tires from the factory options with 20 in installed the truck could sit 2 to 3 inches taller.

[@briangc1972]

@@randalls5210 No true. going from 18 to 20 is only a 1 inch radius change. More importantly, it is the tire OD that matters. When I bought mine, the factory tires on the 17", 18" and 20" rims all had the same OD.

[@carperdiem8754]

Not true the 20s are about a 34” tire and the 18s are 33”. 275/70r18 vs 275/65r20

[@briangc1972]

@@carperdiem8754 There is a very minor OD difference between the 18" and 20" combo. Most people are unaware that there is more variation in OD depending upon the brand of tire and the specific tire chosen. In a given size (275/70r18) one brand may be 33" OD and another brand 34" OD of the same size tire but different tread tire.

[@carperdiem8754]

@@briangc1972 does ford use different brands on the two sizes? Coopers run a bit big at 33.4, but most are at 33.2. On the 20s the smallest AT tires run around 34.1. So still a small difference.

[@ChrisSteiner]

One of my favorite features on Ford vehicles is that keypad on the driver door. I highly recommend learning the door code such a great feature, imo.

[@jasonbrown7258]

How is the keypad any easier or better than using the key?

[@stevesmithson9593]

The key pad is a feature that I never thought I needed, until I had it. I use it most often when camping. Truck is locked, keys are in the trailer, type my code in, and just like magic the doors are unlocked. It’s not earth shattering, it’s just convenient.

[@ChrisSteiner]

Sometimes won't have the key with me but I need to get in the truck, key pad. It's handy. You'll never be locked out of your vehicle again.

[@15Jeep]

I like that feature too. However, no way to get into the truck without a lock smith if the battery (or batteries) are dead. Good reason to install R2X - Remote Battery Post Terminals.

[@Itsa_Mea]

@@15Jeep I thought Ford has it too but my RAM has 2 battery sensors that monitor and if they get low it goes into battery saver mode so the power locks will still work.

[@buildingsalvage]

This was a great review! Appreciate the input as we’re looking for a 20+ superduty and unsure if we’re going with gas or diesel

[@blueboatone5653]

You're absolutely right about height. I did a major project that involved daily hauling of many small but heavy parts for 6 months. I have a 2011 Dodge Ram 1500 and a 1989 GMC 2500. The Dodge is nowhere near as tall as your truck, but I ended up using the 89 GMC for almost all of the project because it was so miuch easier to load and unload. This is despite the fact the air conditioner didn't work in the summer! The newer trucks are not actually built to carry loads that are loaded or unloaded by hand, because there's no practical way to get items in or out. As you said, I think it's just a cool factor. We need trucks that actually work! If you're not happy now, wait until you're stuck with a government mandated electric truck that won't even pull a trailer for a hundred miles. That's a subject for another day and another video.

[@philipunderwood477]

amen brother!!

[@daviddolch2842]

Tall as it is at both ends, your truck still has some rake (the back end is taller than the front, probably 2-3”). You should be able to replace some of the blocks between your rear leaf springs and axle with smaller ones or you might be able to replace the shackles with ones that would lower your rear ride height down to level with the front without affecting your load capacity. If you’re going to be loaded heavy, you may want to add air bags to avoid your rear end squatting lower than the front. A lot of folks that pull rv’s or big horse trailers do this for clearance under their fifth wheels or goosenecks.

[@Deskpilot57]

Be interested to see what you (and Christy) think of the power running boards after using them for a few months. My initial reaction was like yours, but now I love them. They are the first running boards I have had that actually make it easier to get in and out of the truck because they lower to the correct height to step rather than leap! IMO, fixed running boards are too high to actually be useful. Great video - I agree that the truck market is ripe for disruption - the big three have gotten "comfortable" and they are all having huge reliability issues!

[@christhomas9837]

I would like to add that the power running board sits farther from the truck allowing you to use them to exit the vehicle. I find with the fixed running board on could only get the back of my foot at best on the running board and it usually slid off. I also think the power running board provides more protection for the truck as it is tucked under and up against the body where the fixed running board is mostly outside the truck area.

[@jeffro582]

I don't see heavy duty Rams having reliability issues..

[@jenspopshoppe]

Thank you for sharing these pros and cons of these new SD’s I have been contemplating which engine i will choose on my next Ford. Every con you shared on this video are also mine currently. Sometimes its the little things in life that really make the difference.

[@miguelgarcia2480]

Tim, the power running boards in the Chevy new 1500 (and maybe other models) trucks have a feature that you can push them when extended and they shift backwards to use as a step into the bed. Great video, thanks for doing it.

[@fuzzywigglebutt]

Funny, the auto deploy running boards is one of the features I like most on my F150. They go further out from the truck and lower to the ground when deployed. The wife hated the old fixed running board but likes the auto deployed ones much better.

[@chadvanorden5602]

I have no complaints with my 2022 F350 7.3. I love it. It’s a beast. I have the same lime green trailer lol. I tow about 15,500 with mine no problems. I love the rumble coming out of the back. I have a MBRP on mine.

[@bryonmartin1386]

Great video. Funny about the height of trucks these days. Had a ‘96 f150 and could easily load it flat-footed all day. These days its best to get the heavy duty full extension slide out bed trays. Of course bolting down the hardware into the bed of a brand new $80,000 truck would be painful. Air suspensions can be good if you are constantly hauling, but you may loose the use of your shocks(rougher ride) when driving normally. You may be surprised at how much better the ride is with a basic set of bilstein or fox shocks-I did on my f150, front and rear with great results, no decrease in hauling or towing. Along with being pulled over due to operating the truck over max gvwr, if you get in a wreck you could be at fault, potentially charged with manslaughter worst case, even if someone pulls out in front of you.

[@vinniegillotti9347]

I agree 100% on the truck height. I remember the old Ford camper specials.

[@dennisconlon5810]

Tim I bought a step for my truck that hung over the back of the tire with a step in front of the tire. It was a great way to reach into the bed of the truck. The only issue with this step is forgetting it’s there and driving away and crushing it.

[@michaels8706]

Hey Tim, CDL A operator here. A lot of states the go off of weight rating of each vehicle, regardless of whether you're loaded or unloaded.

[@thephishh]

All states. It's federal law.

[@wormgoodman]

Thanks for a honest review. For comparison I drive a 2000 Ford 250 7.3 diesel with a zf6 manual transmission. 19.7 mpg highway lightly loaded, 13 .5 pulling maximum trailer load.

[@christopherhenderson4820]

Good review! I just traded my 6.0 Ford for a 2021 XLT with the 7.3 gas. I love it so far, it pulls everything we have, without the diesel headaches. I’m getting 16 mpg unloaded on the interstate.

[@PatrickHallTheStig]

Love the videos, Tim. I’m sure someone beat me to it and I’ll only succeed in adding fodder to the GM/Ford debate, but my GMC half-ton’s 6.2 makes just a few hp/ft-lbs less than your 7.3 and routinely gets *measured* 19mpg unloaded and 12-13mpg loaded with 9klbs of bumper pull and Kubota L4060+implements. My electric fold-out running boards have a feature that slide them back to the rear tire to reach the bed. I use it quite often and have no complaints. Everyone has loyalties, but entertain options…

[@gordonborsboom7460]

He would need a 3500 to tow his equipment. That would be the 6.6 gaser Heavier truck and larger engine would reduce the comparison advantage. GM put 6.5 liter non turbo Diesel engines in HD trucks way back in the 80’s, I think. Dog slow but economical. Mfg’s give us what they think we want coupled with what they can afford to do.

[@greenwoodsbushhogging6704]

Sadly, you're one of the few that truly uses the truck as "intended". The mass majority of truck owners these days are just driving it because they're HUGE and a status symbol more or less. Or just pull a camper and once a year with it and drive it daily anyways. It seems the newer trucks cater to this group more than the ones who needs to use them as a true truck. Like no bed access except a step that can't be used with a trailer, etc.

[@bjenkins803]

Yeah my cousin bought a chevy 2500 gas truck and he was mislead completely. Not only does it not pull very well but the fuel mileage is extremely bad. It gets 12 mpg at best. I have a 2020 duramax and it pulls anything and gets 15 mpg. 25 when not pulling.

[@greenwoodsbushhogging6704]

@@bjenkins803 I'm still in a 2001 Cummins and its the same thing. Zero "luxury" but will pull a tank up a mountain and gets roughly 20mpg doing it. Lol

[@bjenkins803]

@@greenwoodsbushhogging6704 Yeah those are good trucks. My cousins gas truck is a 2021 and they told him it will pull whatever and they improved the mileage. They just wanted to sell him a gas truck because they had so many. Everyone wants a diesel and they didn't have any then. They threw window tint if he bought it lol.

[@John.ThirteenPoint6969]

Greenwood sounds like sounds like someone gets upset an jealous a-lot that people get nice things. Not being able to reach in a truck and being super sensitive to loud noises makes it used as “intended”? The complaints made a video, but all I hear is 1st world complaints. What about tall people? Are the manufacturers supposed get your height before ordering. Maybe you should “lower” it since you personally don’t like the height. Some people are tall that’s why they’d move to a larger truck so they’re not cramped. Also the wheels don’t Raise the truck Tim the outer diameter of the tire size changes it. The Japanese cars/trucks you spoke of also have 10yr outdated technology maybe stick to the ridge line or get an older truck you could definitely get a nice low mileage rig for as much money that is wasted trading new trucks in complaining over a whole lot of nothing just for a video. Or stick to something smaller your more comfortable in. Doesn’t sound like the trucks problem.

[@tylersowa3858]

The ones who can't lift trucks are ones who usually buy f250s

[@grantd1011]

I have 2021 f350 dually fx4 with 7.3 gasser and 4.30 gearing. I special ordered the truck, took forever to get it. No regrets so far. Have hauled a lot of stuff with gooseneck trailers. It’s not a diesel but it gets the job done with confidence. Thanks for your review, enjoyed it. Good luck with the truck!

[@daniele.woodhead1218]

Tim, I love your honesty and transparency of the channel and with that comes the rant's an I don't blame yah 1 bit . It's my experience with truck's you don't always get what yah pay for. Although I've always bought used trucks for various purposes and uses, 4X4 was a must when I lived in Central Maine I plowed snow during the winter months now I'm in South Carolina it's firewood cause no snow , I've had all major brands Ford , GMC , Dodged ( Ram) gasser's , my point is no matter what you get you don't get what you want if that makes sense. As God bless y'all Merry Christmas from Gaffney South Carolina viewer 🙏❤️💯

[@BobsOutdoorActivities]

Interesting review. I am glad you mentioned more than once how grateful you are to be able to afford such a vehicle. We all take so much for granted. Yes, Detroit has gotten into a race of who can build the bigger more outrageous truck the last decade. I too think the new trucks are very cool, but good grief are they huge/tall.

[@thepitpatrol]

The truck prices are ridiculous especially for all the trouble they have with them. As far as affording it you have certainly worked hard for it and deserve it.

[@jeffro582]

And in the case of Ford. Ugly, very ugly.ugly and tall.

[@SuperDalite]

The review here is stated extremely well. You’re very practical. Thank you for your thorough review. I appreciate my half ton truck but can’t see spending more for the tows that I pull. People who are clamoring for more flat screens in their vehicles are looking at expensive repairs down the road. Yet that’s what the manufacturers are hoping for, throwaway the old and just buy another brand new.

[@roberthutchison8416]

Thank you so much for your evaluation. I am going through the same dilemma and you helped so much by answering all my questions and concerns. I think I will keep my 2017 lariat 6.7. Peace.

[@Matt-kf4bw]

Tim, thanks for the walk through on the truck. I am actually looking to purchasing a new HD truck within the next 18 mos. I will say however, I DO LIKE the height in the trucks. I have a small farm and pull a Horse trailer, a car hauler trailer for my equipment and hay, etc. but really enjoy the height.

[@ralphjelomono9068]

Thanks for showing the new truck. I believe you are spot on when you stated manufactures are trying to built them big, tall and "mean" looking even when it detracts from being useful. Seems crazy not to have options for adjusting height and different suspension packages. My old 2004 Chevy Duramax has crank windows, a huge 8 ft bed and can tow anything I put behind it. Plus no DEF needed !!! But I do like your new truck and I am sure it will serve you well.

[@MrCstone1]

A duramax won't tow anything you put behind it. It'll either blow or the trans will fall out.

[@ralphjelomono1066]

@@MrCstone1 I have been fortunate thus far and it has served me well. I don't push it too hard anymore. 😜

[@stevenlharris]

I guess I got a rare dmax then. 2015 with 250k miles, heavy towing with a lift and has been bulletproof so far. The only thing I've had to replace was the thermostat.

[@ralphjelomono9068]

@@stevenlharris have to agree my 2004 has served me well with few issues and a pretty hard life in the early yrs. I don't push her too hard now but does all a need..and no DEF needed!!!

[@gregnewlin1074]

We purchased a 2014 Ram 3500 about 6 years ago. It had a 6.7l Cummins engine with a 6 speed manual transmission. Honestly it didn’t have the raw grunt low end power that my 2003 2500 has. The fuel economy of the 3500 was just so, so, and the engine detuned for the clutch/flywheel combination. It was almost criminal what the EPA and Ram did to that engine. I got so tired of the hassles with the 2014. I have since decided to rebuild my 2003 from the frame up. So at least I know what I have, and save about 70,000 in the process. Nice truck you have. Everything I have read about the 7.3l gas engine has been positive. It should give you many years of service.

[@orrinbelcher6593]

Amen. Greatly appreciate your truth and integrity, agree with you on every comment, I hope Ford, GM, Ram truck manufacturers take your comments and implement them. Thank you

[@barryespeseth7355]

Great review. You did a good job. I just received my 6.3 gas F350 last week at the Lariet level and so far am happy with it. I do understand your height points, but my 2012 F350 was the same height so I am used to it. It seems your trade in value was low. I traded my 2012 my F350 6.3 gas with 125K miles for $20K. It took me 3 dealers to get that trade in value but I was happy with the deal I made last march. Hope you enjoy your new truck.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

I PAID $13,500 With trade. I think this was good.

[@sdmc1972]

the motors are 6.2s

[@nclanreimer]

I had the chance to tow with a Ram 3500 dually that had the factory air suspension, the added stability was amazing, it should be standard on all heavy duty trucks. Another note Semi's also have leaf springs in tandem with their air suspension.

[@hellkitty1014]

You just summed up why I love my 2021 Limited 3500. Air suspension and 2-stage engine braking makes the towing a breeze! Sure, I'd love a more modern trans, but under towing, the Aisin shines!

[@stevensievert8375]

The power steps are an advantage for older people and for me with large feet. I had a 2010 Ford 2wd Expedition with factory steps and my 74 year old mother had issues getting in and out. I replaced it with a 2010 Limited model with power steps and she could now easily get in and out. The steps come down 2 inches further than the factory steps, stick out from the vehicle further by at least an inch, and were at least 1" wider than the factory steps. If you keep your speed under 15-20mph (depends on tire) gravel is not thrown up from the road/driveway. Gravel roads are not meant to be driven at fast speeds. I have a 2017 Ford Expedition and a 2015 F350 diesel and I have found the factory fuel MPG estimate within 0.3 and 0.7 for both vehicles every time I check it with an actual calculation. The camera going foggy is not an electric failure, it's a plastic quality issue with the antiglare coating on the camera that has failed under UV light, cheap material. Any vehicle over 10,000lbs is considered commercial under federal law, but does not require a CDL unless it's weight/Combined weight is over 26,000lbs or has over 15 passengers. All states adhere to these laws, but some states may require additional requirements for it's citizens. Like I'm supposed to have a NC Class A License (non CDL) because my trailer has a GVWR over 10,000lbs. Mr. Hoover could probably explain better.

[@SeboltLawnLandscape]

Great review. I would think a reroute of the exhaust would be a simple fix. The air setup should work wether it’s gas or diesel just might need to modify the exhaust. I’m surprised they aren’t supporting the 7.3 as I’ve seen quite a few guys lately switching from diesel to gas. Regardless, very nice truck congrats!

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Me too. Agree on both.

[@1STGeneral]

Nobody wants 😕 to be around 🙄 someone that has gas

[@kjg0405]

Great review Tim. In my 40 years of driving (90% pickup trucks) with 30+ brand new vehicles because of high mileage driving, I have owned Chevy and Fords. Two years ago I took the plunge on a Ram 1500 Limited 4x4. I will never go back to Chevy or Ford. The ride quality and creature comforts are amazing on the Ram. Other than changing oil and tires I have spent $0.00 on any type of repairs. Good luck with your beautiful new truck!

[@TheTradosaurus]

Give us a review of the Dodge as you get close to 100k miles. I’ve heard nothing but bad about Dodge (any vehicle).

[@user-yd1dx5qs4j]

@@TheTradosaurus the big 3 truck manufacturers have their issues. None of them are perfect. Ram is no worse than any of the other 2. Just different issues.

[@atvrepairsandmore2482]

That color is really slick. Jumping from the diesel to the 7.3 or any gas engine is a smart move. I know your fuel mileage is not amazing right now but the truck only has 500 miles. It still needs to break in. I am really not a huge fan of diesel trucks anymore. They are expensive to buy, expensive drive, and expensive to maintain. With Diesel being about $1.50 more a gallon where I am, it would take probably at least 200k miles of driving to offset the cost. Something you forgot to mention is you no longer have to ay for DEF and any expensive repairs related to the DPF(Not that you had a issue, yet). I can not believe Kelderman would not do the kit on a gas truck because of the exhaust. That is ridiculous since the exhaust system on a gas truck is smaller and less complex. If it really is only the exhaust, you could order the kit and have a exhaust shop do custom routing for you on the exhaust. Just a thought.

[@donaldstrishock3923]

EXACTLY, "rooling coal" takes 200,000 miles to pay for itself.

[@jeffro582]

Yip 7mpg towing. Smart move...

[@vitaliyburlaka691]

@@jeffro582 for guys like me who tow maybe 1-2 times a year. Yes. It is a smart move.

[@jeffro582]

@@vitaliyburlaka691 how much weight do you tow? 5th wheel?

[@vitaliyburlaka691]

@@jeffro582 travel trailer and dump trailer. Maybe 13k fully loaded

[@kylebauer4242]

FYI you can recalibrate your gas mileage meter. It’s in the engineering menu. You can adjust it up or down by whatever percentage it actually is

[@chadhaire1711]

you cant know what it is until you measure the odometer accuracy.

[@horsetrader1991]

Can you do that on a Dodge?

[@ednelson4793]

Good video - lots of valid points- I also have a '22, its an F250 long bed Platinum with the 7.3. I'm averaging real close to 15mpg, doing the actual math. (lowest was 12, highest 17) My trip meter is usually within 1 mpg, sometimes its even under actual mpg. I DID see a video showing how to correct the reading on you tube but I forgot the steps involved but it's pretty easy. My truck was ordered the saturday after thanksgiving in '21, it was in my driveway in under 10 WEEKS! Apparently I was one of the lucky ones. I'm pretty happy with my truck overall, but it does have a significant blind spot at the bottom front corners of the door windows with the large mirrors -not an issue for a taller person but for shorter people like my wife its something to be aware of. My biggest complaint on a truck with a near $80.000 price tag? it has to be the QUALITY of the cameras! VERY poor resolution even compared to my phone camera- especially if you're backing towards a dark area. As far as the bedside height? it IS tall, but it does't bother me too much being 6'4 but my wife can't see into it. FYI, the'23 DOES get both bumper and side steps built in for access.

[@15Jeep]

Yep, you got lucky on the order date and delivery date. A good friend and I ordered trucks from Graner Ford in Iowa with purchase price of 2% below invoice on October 7, 2021. The trucks are identical except the color - 2022 F350 Lariat 7.3L 4WD Tremor and Warn winch and numerous options including two of the three options that delayed the builds (Tough Bed and 5th Wheel / Gooseneck Prep Package). His truck built in mid April and delivered May 24, 2022. Mine truck was built in mid August and delivered October 12, 2022. That all said, we got exactly the trucks we wanted.....including the Carpet Delete.

[@loubzac3]

I definitely agree with trucks being to tall. With all the aftermarket options surely there’s something to improve the comfort for you. But for $80.000 you shouldn’t have to go to aftermarket. Overall the issues you have are good issues to have.

[@jaykapur9588]

You said the 2023 Super Duty has all the same problems, but the 2023 actually now comes with bedside and rear bumper steps built in. There is also the option to order flip out steps for additional ease of access to the bed. That is a huge improvement for the issue you have with the truck height and the bed access.

[@AmazonWebService98]

just copy paste from GM

[@15Jeep]

The flip and fold steps are way better than the built-in steps. Much easier to balance and place in or remove items from the pickup box.

[@jaredricker6994]

My uncle had a platinum F150. The automatic side steps are a nightmare for him. After heavy salt or even a little mad around the farm they would get stuck out or get stuck in or just not come out at all. After about five years the motor and the side steps were completely gone it was a very expensive fix. Automatic side steps are great when they are new but when they wear down they lock up.

[@15Jeep]

I agree, mud and or snow build up can cause the power running boards to not function. That is reason why I set mine on the 2022 F350 7.3L 4WD Tremor to not deploy when the roads are snow packed or during mud season out west. In addition, I have a Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon Hard Rock and an older F-150 4WD. Very little salt is used on paved roads in the Rocky Mountain states. I know people who have 10 - 12 year old trucks and have never replaced the motors.

[@jbeaty6375]

Good video and great truck! What axle ratio did you go with 3.55-3.73 or 4.30?

[@bstephens4801]

Tim, Great review of the Platinum Truck. I haven't read down through all of the comments (for like info) but there has been a move to make everything with wheels have a stiffer ride like you are going to do autocross (smaller sidewalls, stiffer and bolstered seating, thicker and fewer leaf springs). My wife and I are around 60 and most seat comfort started diminishing around 2007 time frame. I think you will find that fabric seat vehicles, especially trucks that I have owned, have a softer & cooler ride for long trips. We own three trucks but my heavy tow truck is a 2000 F-250 7.3. Mild turbo mods and running about 50hp above factory. It rode pretty awful after some age due to the front diff leaf springs. I couldn't keep tires on it due to cupping. So what would i do? Get a new truck, no way, I swapped the entire front and rear suspension to 2008 f-250 version, coil front, longer rear leafs. It rides so much better now. Also has the bigger brakes to help with stopping. I think it took my about 2 weekends to do that on my own and mostly due to the nit picking parts I had to wrangle to make that change. So one of the amazing things about the older Fords is that you can pick and choose the best of the years and make your self a frankenstein truck that meets your needs for way less than even a used later model. Premise though, you need to enjoy doing that work yourself. Oh and we run 18" wheels on ours. As a commenter below says the tire heights are about the same, 31 to 32 inches is common diameter for my generation truck. I would not lift my truck at all. It's hard enough to get in the bed now. I got it one piece at a time and didn't cost me a dime...

[@kennetho5393]

I've found to the fuel economy on my two Fords to be accurate to +/- 0.5 mpg. I don't top off ever so my fill-up routine is somewhat consistent. I've actually had my Mustang get almost 1 mpg better calculated over what the computer said. Also, the mpgs should improve somewhat on the 7.3 around 5,000 to 7,000 miles.

[@MJF40]

A lot of fleets have dropped diesel powered units due to costs, additional maintenance and emission equipment. It’s a shame too.

[@somaliskinnypirate]

Same boat. Ordered the F350 KR 2022 w/6.7 in December 2021.. Got it in October... Purchased from Chapman in PA and got the 4 percent under invoice; not bad considering other options at the time. I have a lot of the same gripes or at least understand. To be honest, I will probably rarely tow anything... I got the diesel (bucket list) as this will probably be my last dinosaur burner as I will likely keep this 15-20 years... as long as it lasts as long as my 2004 Ram 1500 did, I'll be happy. I see you got the fender badges. Mine were missing and I'm fighting with dealers trying to get them as they are now available.

[@chadh6899]

Nice video and good points about some features not fitting everyone. One of my frustrations is that Ford and likely other manufactures seem to refuse to make vehicles that people want or would buy. The F150 lightning is a good example in that the cheaper Pro version is all marketing for Ford as they actually don't make many and rather push people to buy the higher trim packages which is more profitable for Ford. If they really wanted adoption they would make a vehicle that people can afford and they would sell all they could make. BTW, I have a 2020 F250 Lariat with the 6.7 and love it. FYI, I have the Lariat Deluxe package and I do have the proximity entry, remote start and push button. Not sure if in 2018 that was an option but the deluxe package provides the features you mentioned not having on a Lariat trim.

[@RustyZipper]

Who doesn’t want a $100k electric truck 🤷‍♂️ I like the Maverick at $20k , plus the $10k dealer mark up really is appealing 🤣

[@badgerlandturf]

It’s not only the big truck market that does this; we have 3 CR-V’s in our family. My 2003 takes 15” tires, wife’s 2006 takes 16, now they have 19 and 20” tires! I spent as much for 5 tires on mine as the newer ones have for 2. Too many people think bigger is better and have these low profile, 20-22” tires on their trucks and ruin the capability of them.

[@Jakeamura]

I always put my foot up on the back tire and pull myself up and over the bed side of my lifted 99 F350, but I guess I'm still a young feller that doesn't need running boards and bed side steps. Always interesting to hear what you have to say Tim! Real beauty of a truck that you have there.

[@Colinpnewbrey]

Hey Tim! Good video! The only thing I saw was when you were talking about the key and keyless entry, that has been around since 2017, but on the “technology” package lariats and above I believe. My 2018 lariat has all that and I love the features. Also just touching the outside of the handle to lock the doors. Oh, and the 2023 models now have steps in the bedsides behind the cab and the rear bumper!

[@willardivins3736]

Thanks for the video. All your talking points are plain to see by both the customer & Ford. Whether any of the items will be addressed or not for our benefit is a waiting game of patience. I have a '22 Lariat FX4 gasser with most of the available options - except the heated steering wheel, I kinda regret that - and it has the proximity setup for the key fob, so, like you, I just need to touch the handle to unlock the truck. For my towing needs and expected mileage accumulation per year, the 7.3 Godzilla does the trick, and at a significantly reduced cost vs the diesel option. Safe travels!

[@1smokan]

They should offer a flat bed option for those that want a shorter truck. A flat bed option with removable sides and boxes for storage below the bed.

[@richardharvey8939]

I replaced the 2035 lb per side leaf springs with 3300 lb per side leafs from husky spring and upgraded my factory shocks to bilstein 5100 shocks and my truck now rides better than a half ton. The husky springs have more leaves and have a more gradual arch. No lift in height from stock but amazing ride and load handling improvements.

[@robmd3851]

Heavier capacity springs, and stiffer valved shocks somehow makes the ride like a 1/2 ton, huh… must have been all that snake oil the springs were soaked in😂

[@richardharvey8939]

@@robmd3851 actually they have 8 leaves I believe and they are not as stiff. Many years ago I remember in 4 wheeler them writing if you ever change leaf packs get the ones with more leaves because they will ride better. I was shocked actually. Figured it was going to ride awful. But my factory leaves had flattened out and it was beating me to death already so I tried it. I knew I needed more capacity because the flat bed I added was heavier. Turned out great. But it might have been the Pb blaster during install. 😂

[@brooster87]

Great Review Tim. Thank you for helping me to keep my 2012 6.7.

[@leetomkinson9852]

My 2022 Super Duty Lariat has the keyless entry. I can use either the door handle sensors or the keypad. This was the same on my 2019 F150 Lariat. For the height issue, I purchased the step that hangs over the tire. It works well for me to access my 5th wheel hitch. There's no doubt the ride is a bit rough, but I consider it a trade off for the payload/towing capacity.

[@trd4me]

My 2020 Lariat also has the keyless with the touch handles. I suspect it was an option issue with his previous truck.

[@craigsmith8217]

Diesel noise: Don't underestimate the fatigue factor associated with noise, sonic and subsonic. It makes a lot of difference at the end of the day.

[@stevenpaxton9244]

My 2018 lariat 250 does have keyless entry and push button start, I think it's part of the Lariat ultimate package so you don't have to go to a platinum just for that. in 2018 the only option the platinum had that was actually better IMO than the Lariat was the massage seat.

[@fenderstrat720]

You’re 100% correct, you have to get the lariat ultimate package to get the keyless entry. It’s the best. I also wish I had massage seats lol 😩

[@adambauman8044]

This is one of the best reviews I've seen because you talk about stuff that matters. I just got a 2020 f250 with the 7.3 and I like it but jeez it has a lot of electronic tech stuff that I dont care about at all. I would be just as happy with analog gauges and no screen at all. Is this because I'm 45 now and they are building these things for younger people who grew up with screens everywhere? Oh well. Yes they dont need to be so high either. It's not that you couldn't go off road with the older ones. I went off road (job sites) with my 97 all the time and ground clearance was never an issue. I own and operate a semi for a living now and honestly air bag suspension is simpler and more durable than leaf springs. It rides way better too. The good news is that all the kids that want their pick up to look more like a semi will probably drive the manufacturers to make this standard before too long and coincidentally it will be a useful upgrade for guys who actually pull trailers a lot.

[@paulmollise1856]

Agree with you Tim, those power steps should be a separate option , air ride suspension and air ride seat isn’t too much to ask when your paying 80k, I’m still upset you can’t get a manual transmission, I bought my 10 acres with a old house with gas rights for 55k and people told me I was crazy now trucks cost almost twice that, nice looking truck you got there

[@davidbalvin8112]

Enjoy your videos. One of the reasons for the higher trucks is the extended cab. People wanted a flat floor in the back seat. Look at older models that are lower and you will see a big driveshaft tunnel running through the cab.

[@michaelmactavish4445]

we all ways have the best luck with the big ram 3500 and 5500

[@jackbegley8573]

Ihave to agree with you on your points. The packages cause you to have to spend more money to get 1 feature. I try to keep the rim size down! A big complaint I have had is that the manufactures abandoned the size trucks. the Ford Maverick proves that the small truck has it's place. Wished GM still made the S-10!

[@donnierussell4187]

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[@houndsmanone4563]

Tim, I have a 2020 F250 and your comments about the Super Duty are valid. My wife hates the height of my F250. It's too dang high and she's close to 6 foot tall. I have the XL model and it does not have the fancy add-ons that some of the higher end trucks but it has a lot of nice modern devices that my older Ford trucks didn't have. My truck doesn't have a smooth suspension ride like my F150 since it's designed to haul heavy loads. I have the F250 to haul the tractor and my livestock trailer. If I had a F150 strong and heavy enough to haul my livestock trailer, I'd go back to that. Can't wait to see your side steps for your truck. BTW, I deleted the comment and redirected it to the rightful owner (Grampies Workshop). He got a good chuckle when I told him that I sent the comment meant for his channel to your channel. Sorry for the flub-up. I'll eventually get it right. Alright, I wish the best to you and Christie and have a great new year. 👍🏽🤠 1/19/23

[@MyTechWebTV]

For a truck used off road or as a work truck I agree on the running boards. I have these on my F150 and they are lower to the ground than fixed running boards. This makes it possible for my 80 year old dad to get in my truck pretty easily. He comments on it every time he gets in. For my use I really the running boards.

[@jeffsmith4525]

Went from a 2016 F250 diesel to a 2022 F350 7.3 to pull my 5th wheel. Ordered in Nov.2021 and dealer received it in late May 2022. Had 20 inch wheels on both and the 22 is higher. Both are Lariat’s. Loved the diesel but the DEF system and all the garbage they put on never worked properly. Electronics had me on the side of the road to often. Dealer had the same answer every time, “unable to duplicate”. Oil changes are $65 now compared to $180. Will find out in a March what I think when heading west across mountains. I do miss the engine brake already.

[@sdmc1972]

the tow haul mode is great for upshifts but its a little aggressive on downshifts i find the motor always screaming going downhill after tapping the brakes

[@alexmills1329]

I really think the next big thing for these truck is air suspension so they can squat enough to be loaded. They are tall which is great for on road visibility and poor conditions, but loading is almost impossible.

[@foxbodyguyeightyeight3672]

Depends how tall you are I'm 6"4 the height makes it easier for me

[@ryansheard8092]

Good info and very straightforward. I do agree that unless one is towing heavy (15K+) on a weekly basis for 35K+ miles a year diesel isn't worth it. I live in TX and see all these diesel Super Dutys where the guy bought it simply because he has an inferiority complex (not what he would say, LOL). The 7.3L is the way to go IMHO. I am only 5'10" and yes, the height of the trucks today is crazy. The '23 Super Duty now has the integrated bed steps which is almost a necessity unless you're 7' tall! LOL

[@bobpurs]

Tim I went back to gas 2 years ago with my 3500 Gmc. Very happy with it. No it don’t pull as hard as Diesel but I’m not in a big hurry. Between cost of Diesel option being 10k, cost of fuel and maintenance couldn’t justify diesel. Don’t drive it everyday ,it just pulls. Figure my Mpg by hand and not seeing a big difference between gas and diesel. Pulling 13k (weight empty)5th wheel I’m getting 9mpg which I’m happy with. Height of truck I’m happy with as I need clearance as I do go off-road with a cabin in the middle of no where up north, and GMC have steps front and back so hooking gooseneck and 5th wheel is fine. Nice looking truck.

[@OldGuyGolf]

The rim size has nothing to do with the height. The 20” wheel as a smaller side wall than the 18”. The diameter is the same on both. The 2023 coming out fixes almost every option you are having issue with.

[@DanoFSmith-yc9tg]

Yeah the wheel size has nothing to do with it, the tire sidewall adjusts per rim size to make the same diameter for each trim level. They aren’t going to reprogram the trans for every specific wheel/tire package diameter from the factory. Every diameter is the same.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Everyone keeps saying that..but this one is about 4” higher than my 2018 which was equipped same way with smaller wheels. Others even say that they lowered the 2020 models. Wish I had taken photo of my 2018 right beside this one to prove the 4”.

[@Dan-nj8du]

One very simple way to smooth out the ride on these 350/3500 series trucks is to lower the tire pressure when traveling unloaded. The ride is still stiff but it gets rid of a lot of the harshness.

[@ericgregory3005]

Thats why I love my 2011 f250 diesel. Looks great, hauls whatever, and can get to most things in the bed.

[@JohnSmith-kz1ll]

The 7.3l gasser is a dang good motor lots of people choosing it over the diesel

[@mitchspry843]

Like the truck. In my 2022 with the 7.3 with 4:30 gears the fuel mileage improved as I put miles on it. By the time I got 5000 miles on it I was up to 16mpg (hand calculated) unloaded. When towing (10K) I would be around 9mpg. So you should see some improvements as you put miles on it.

[@calebthacker2162]

You are not getting 16 mpg with a big block heavy duty truck

[@TevisC]

@@calebthacker2162 is a 6.4 (392c.i.) a small block or big block? 16-18mpg interstate driving. 2015 Ram 2500 CCLB.

[@mitchspry843]

@@calebthacker2162 you can think what you want, but that is what I got on the hwy with some city driving. The 10 speed transmission helps a lot.

[@charlescoushaine]

Very much liked your video! I too have a 2022 F550 but had Liquid Springs active suspension added to replace the heavy duty standard leaf springs and the ride is fantastic! The truck rides like a F150 empty! Call Elevation Off Grid in Denver to have this installed and you won't be disappointed!

[@cessealbeach]

My Dad just bought the 2023 , yes Platinum, he towed 12K lbs across states more than 8K miles, 360 camera got hit by a rock, he stopped at a dealership in N carolina, Dealer got a new camera free of charge , oil change and the works , yes free of charge, Man Loves his truck, He loves all the technology that came with the truck. Ford did hit the truck out of the ball park EXCEPT $82K

[@slmjake]

Tim I think the first OEM to offer a practical lower to the ground work truck could sweep up all of us folks who use them. I need a new half ton but my 2004 ranger allows for ease of load inroads. If they made a new one in crew with 6.5 bed and 48 inches between wheel wells I would buy it. Designers are in a rut.

[@15Jeep]

The Chevrolet 4WD and GMC 4WD trucks with IFS axle and low hanging frame rails sit considerably lower to the ground compared to Ford 4WD and Dodge 4WD trucks. That is among many other reasons is why I would never buy a GM 4WD truck.

[@erik_dk842]

@@15Jeep Those who don't need the ground clearance, but do need 4x4 for traction, would be better served by GM's offerings.

[@Formulabruce]

Tim, you are 100% correct, Lower is Better for towing. Also 3/4 ton and 1 ton trucks do NOT "Give" enough in the suspension to be a real "off road' truck. 16 inch rims is plenty tall enough, and gives you MORE side wall. Tires are PART of the suspension. .

[@137whoa]

16" wheels do not give adequate clearance inside for the larger brakes that these trucks require.

[@RustyZipper]

Trailer has its own brakes

[@15Jeep]

Correct......OEM suspension on Class 2 and Class 3 trucks is not ideal for off-road use. However, the aftermarket has the solutions. For a superior ride.....Check Out the following websites --------> Carli Suspension and their number 1 retailer CJC Off-Road. The springs and shocks are superior to OEM. Larger tires are not necessary or required. The Level System only raises the front end to level the truck and optional Firestone Air Bags will retain OEM payload and towing specs. The suspensions are awesome. Check Out the KZbin video ---------------------------> kzbin.info/www/bejne/bWSlgnd4gKlmoas

[@drewr13NJ]

Tim, I couldn't agree more when it comes to truck height! I have a '19 F-250 STX, 6.2 gas with FX4 package and man it is a tall truck! I'm probably Christie's height at around 5'4" and I can barely see into the bed. I always liked my older trucks with a shorter stance because you can easily grab things out of the back, ie a gas can when you run to the gas station. I like the stance of the new, taller trucks, but it is not very functional, especially for short people.

[@drewr13NJ]

According to your gross combined weight rating, you ordered the truck with 3.73 axle ratios. Do you regret not ordering it with 4.30 axle to increase your gross combined rating and have a faster take off from stop? I’m looking at possibly buying a new Super Duty and was wondering if you feel a higher ratio axle would be beneficial.

[@Ishowspeedshorts488]

God bless you Tim, and your family. Thanks for all your videos.

[@gclaytony]

I'm 6'-3" and we've had trucks as long as I can remember (65yrs old). This newer generation started 'rising' it seems around 2001-2003. I had a '94 GMC that was slightly taller than my '83 that was a bit annoying but not outrageiously so. Our current '17 F150 KR is just ridiculous for an everyday driver. It was the same on our 2009 although it was a tad lower, I don't even look at the new ones. If not for the built-in tail gate step, it would be very difficult for me to get up in the bed as I'm aging. My wife wouldn't even try. The rational, from what I've read, is driven by government EPA rules. The truck builders get some sort of benefit/mpg 'factor' vs the CAFE standards based on vehicle size. Yea, there is likely some cool/competitive aspect between the big three, but it seems the EPA regs may be the biggest driver on this upward evolution. Typical government, creates a rule that unintentionally incentivizes building bigger vehicles that the general marketplace isn't really asking for.

[@m9ovich785]

I'm 6'4" and 62 and permanently keep a 3 step, step Ladder in the back of My truck. Which is a 1999 F-350, Crew Cab, LONG box, 6 spd w/granny low. 7.3 Diesel (turned Up) w only 92,000 miles on it. I bought it used from a Dealer owned since new with 36,000 Miles With a High Cube Topper I can get almost a Full cord of Wood Back there. and with the slider Window, Can Cary a 14' long item inside the truck. If I keep the Tack below 2,000 Rpm's I'm at 18+ MPGs on the Highway. I love every 23' 8" and every DB of the Diesel Eng. I'll keep Fordzilla ( Forest Green ) going as long as I can . Driving a Computer sucks in My Book... Mike M Central Wis.

[@Zanderthelab]

Rodent damage? With 3 cats?? Congratulations on the new gasser! It looks slick!! You might like the led headlights.

[@JamesThompson-ol3eu]

Agree! Useless cats. I have had cat(s) around for 35 years and NEVER a rodent problem. His are not doing their job.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

The rodent damage was outside. The cats are holed up inside most of the time.

[@Ghostrider304]

So, my question to Kellderman would be, if I move the exhaust, would their kit work? I know that’s not ideal, but if the exhaust is the only issue, there are ways around it. Especially on a gasoline power train.

[@jimellenor1607]

Good points you brought up. I have a 2018 F450, with about 40,000 kms(I live in Canada) and I was thinking of trading it in for a 2023 F350 7.3 L gas model. You certainly have got some good points to consider before I decide what I am going to do. Did not realize there is still a long wait, if you order one of these trucks.

[@REVNUMANEWBERN]

Takes awhile to get those parts from CHI NA

[@stevengawlik1282]

The 3500 Rams leaf spring in the air ride suspension is mainly for locating the axle. Having ridden in one with air, there is a NOTICEABLE difference in ride quality. As far as truck height, remember that axles and frames and such are bigger. If you section the frame if your dad's truck and your truck, one is probably 3-4" taller. Plus you got 4wd... 2wd are shorter.

[@keithwalker7151]

My biggest complaint with the ride height on these new trucks comes into play when pulling goosenecks. I'm 6' 3" so reaching stuff isn't much of an issue for me but trying to get the trailer to ride level can be nearly impossible, especially on the older trailers. Then by the time you've got the coupler retracted far enough to level things out the clearance between the neck and the bed rails is down to nothing so you can only turn on a perfectly flat surface. Totally impractical if you're actually using the truck the way a truck should be used.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Yep!

[@chalkrockranch]

That’s the exact reason I’m staying with my 2016 f350. My horse trailer would only have one wheel on the ground behind the newer truck or have an inch of clearance.

[@curbAL1]

2wd will fix your complaints. Don’t buy a 4wd. 🤦‍♂️

[@johnirwin1837]

@@curbAL1 My 2wd is only 2" lower than a same year 4x4. Not really much help.

[@chickenman298]

My uncle bought a new 350 last year but his was a ,well I forget the correct term but with no bed on it. He had a custom aluminum bed with tool boxes an auxillary fuel tank built in. Well it sits way lower than my 2016. And yes both are 4x4 so there is an option for a new one that sits lower

[@1958johndeere620]

If its only the exhaust keeping you from the Kelderman kit exhaust is easy to modify. Kelderman knows their stuff and has been doing air suspension for a long time.

[@fredhart7904]

Enjoyed your review of the truck, I am not financially able to buy a new truck, guess I will just have to keep my old 2005 dodge diesel, so far so good, great old truck without all the epa requirements, You have a beautiful truck enjoy it,

[@tinderbox218]

I love watching auto vehicle reviews on KZbin, but truck videos never fail to pIss me off immediately for how manufacturers rip off consumers with outrageously overpriced junk that's years out of date. You're right, it's not really an elective purchase in many cases and manufacturers know this.

[@On_The_Farm]

We bought a 2022 Silverado 1500 with the 3L Turbodiesel. We get about 26 mpg. Sure, diesel is more expensive, but the power difference is immense. We also traded our 2015 Silverado, 5.3L gas, for $23,000. It made the blow of the new truck cost better.

[@freedomlawnservice1987]

Gm 6.2 gas will kill the 3l in towing. Your truck is more for fuel mileage in a half ton than towing. I had to resell mine

[@On_The_Farm]

@@freedomlawnservice1987 It has far more power than my 5.3L. I can't comment on the 6.2L. Better fuel economy pulling my trailer than the 5.3L also.

[@anthonyunderwood684]

Funny , I traded a 6.2 for the 3.0 and it out tows the 6.2 easily and gets way better fuel mileage. I pull a enclosed trailer 4 or 5 days a week and would buy the 3.0 over the 6.2 again if I was to trade.

[@davidcaskey4669]

I went from a 5.3 gas suburban to a 6.2 yukon wow what a difference the 6.2 so much smoother power and they get the same fuel milage the 6.2 may get even better with the 8sp and 3.23 gear ratio the 5.3 had 4sp and 3.73 if the yukon had 3.73 it would be a rocket

[@Doug-gp2qw]

I tried to purchase a Ford F350 or Chevy 3500 in 2020. I checked every dealer within 500 miles. The only trucks available were loaded models, with a hefty surcharge. On the last day of the year I bought a F150 XLT, for $9,500 under sticker, so 30-40k less than the F350s available at the time. It has the 3.5 Eco boost. So far I am totally satisfied. It's very comfortable, great mileage, and easily tows 10,000 lb. I'd like an EcoBoost in the 4.5 - 5 liter range for the superduties.

[@klrskir]

I guess I'm one of the lucky ones to have been able to roll over into a '23 from my '22 order. Ordered the '22 Platinum February of '22. The VIN was pulled the second week of December. When I saw the '23 announcement, I promptly contacted my dealer and they were more than happy to allow me to create a new order. The upgrades in the '23 were too good to pass up! Hoping for a VIN by March or April. Great video and thanks!

[@TractorTimewithTim]

I was told I would lose the $5-$6k price increase. In other words, my price was locked in from Dec ‘21

[@WisconsinDIYGuy]

I agree with you on the high suspensions. Add to that gimmicky things like flared fenders, fake bolts in the body features, etc. All junk to make it look tough. I had a 1991 F250. Height of truck was way better and it had none of the macho crap. And you know what? The bed held 2900lbs, just like F250s today. Back then F150 F250 and F350 all looked very similar. Today the 250 and 350 are way larger but do not carry more than my 91. Towing is better... Fortunately today they haven't started adding gimmicks to power tools. If Milwaukee ever starts making their drills macho-ized...lord help us. If HD pickups were lower, used same efficient body style as F150, no 20 inch wheels, they would ride better, corner better, and get better mpg. 20 inch wheels also have a lot less cushion for rough roads.

[@15Jeep]

How are the fenders flared on a newer F250 Super Duty compared to 1986 - 1991 Ford F250 or 1992 - 1997 Ford F250? What is a "fake bolt"? The plastic item that most mechanics call a "christmas tree"? Since 2017, the Super Duty has virtually the same body as the F150. The cab is identical. The doors are interchangeable. The exterior sheet metal on the doors, front fenders, hood and pickup box is different along with different sizing of the pickup boxes.

[@WisconsinDIYGuy]

@Two45s The super dutys diverted from the F150 in a major way years ago. They got way larger but payload in the bed stayed the same. You can't possibly think that's not marketing. ? Fake bolts - Just look around at all the flared fender and plastic body styling features on trucks. They have fake bolts molded into the plastics. That is marketing. Same as the grills on super duties. They got way larger vs the half ton years ago. No functionality there btw. Marketing to guys. That's all it is. I could go on and on but don't have time for this anymore.

[@15Jeep]

@@WisconsinDIYGuy Yes, I agree with you in part. Ford realized the value in making the Class 1 (F150) quite different in style than the Class 2 (F250) and Class 3 (F350). Tha alone is a function of marketing. Ford introduced a new style F150 in 1997, the same year for the new Expedition...both used many of the same parts. However, I disagree with you in other ways. It is not all marketing as you stated. The first model year for the Super Duty was 1999. Payload capacity has improved since the introduction. The F250 and F350 Super Duty trucks have more payload capability than the previous Ford F250 and F350 Heavy Duty trucks. Ford Super Duty rear spring architecture, design and engineering has improved along with larger rotors, calipers and pads compared to the older Ford Heavy Duty. Finally, it is not the marketing department at Ford that is responsible for using lower cost parts.....it is the accounting department. In addition, larger grilles do have a function and purpose.....the 6.7L high HP and high torque diesel engine requires more air than the older diesel engines.

[@bobjoatmon1993]

Two responses 1) the retractable running boards are actually part of the aerodynamics the manufacturer is trying to get better gas mileage. Running boards don't act as side skirts like on a racecar, they add huge drag so by retracting them it cleans up the airflow a small bit. 2) I absolutely agree that trucks have gotten too tall and I miss the stepside old trucks used to have

[@aprilgeneric8027]

it's a truck, they aren't designed for air flow lmao, you haul and tow*, they are designed to power thru loads, not to get 50mpg like a geo metro. notice the difference everything you can't do with a high mpg vehicle vs a muscular work horse, it's about ability. other wise throw a snow plow on a tesla. the real reason the running boards retract inward and upward like landing gear is to keep them from being broken when you are backing and going over curbs, or tree stumps, or burms and boulders and windrows in farm fields and pasture lands, hence the KING RANCH

[@bobjoatmon1993]

@@aprilgeneric8027 yes, trucks are very UN-aerodynamic but all the truck manufacturers spent millions of CFD and wind tunnel testing to get them as good as they can to help their Federal fleet fuel economy standards. Ie, they cleaned them up as much as possible. You argument is only partially true. Yes, having them retract is a convenience for entry/exit and over high objects BUT the time a vehicle is being driven and their need for better numbers for fuel economy is a much greater reason to retract. There have been numerous articles about this in the section of the magazine industry covering automotive aerodynamics

[@sethcollins3313]

Questions- 1) Will it fit into a garage with a 8' door? or do you need a 12' door? The taller it is the more owners will have to leave the truck out in all weather. 2) Wonder if the "computer" MPG is off because it doesn't take into account the fuel used when starting? When one calculates it manually this is included. 3) Does this extra height effect its center of gravity amd make it more rollover prone?

[@yamaguy]

Mine fits in a 7’ door

[@krisbohn4118]

Great review Tim, Great color and great truck. I have a 2014 ram and my younger sibling has a 2016 F150. The mice seem to be attracted to the Ford. In my research they have been using soy and other eco food products in plastics like wire coatings and the mice like it.

[@bodie29]

I think you're going to have a positive overall experience with this truck despite some of its downfalls. Good luck. What's the rear axle ratio? That would affect tow ratings some.

[@88corinutza]

i would bet 3: 73 ??

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Yes.