How Dark Souls Turns Motifs Into Music

[@TheMightyGiantDad]

You don't need booger-kid. Your opinions and lore speculations are valued and appreciated.

[@justicew.6106]

what

[@llandynlubs9203]

Good comment but ik m not gonna like it bc I dont want to ruin the 666 likes

[@FellishBeast]

Yeah holy shit that bit he does is so annoying and unnecessary.

[@Heyprinny]

Yeah, that was really annoying whenever he did that.

[@Bophades93]

THANK YOU, I'm enjoying this video and then this annoying unnecessary gag keeps coming back....

[@paulvandenberg4969]

I'd just like to add that the entire composition of the Gwyn, Lord of Cinder boss theme uses only the white keys. It's almost like the composition itself fears the Dark, just like Gwyn.

[@27shogun58]

And like my Texan cousins

[@Geocrazygaming]

Are u vaati vidya in disguise

[@KJS988]

Big if true

[@timmontgomery7136]

Nice Catch Paul.

[@featheredice]

This simply isn’t true. Have you read the music?

[@tokilladaemon]

You should have called this “plin plin plon-explained”

[@misrahul18]

Such a shame

[@Larken42]

Or how to be “filled with nostalgic sorrow”

[@PhilTruthborne]

Hmm... Yes... I know some of these words

[@TaisanMaverick]

Sir Phil po

[@TaisanMaverick]

Misha Hall p

[@TaisanMaverick]

Misha Hall ppp

[@randaru1527]

Smough pieces with Havel chest armor in the ending scene? Someone call the fashion police!

[@Zadamanim]

Gotta get that +1 defense.

[@TerryVideoZone]

stacking poise smh scrub strats

[@RatchetandSly]

Randaru HappyHeists Not even his game footage. He didn't give credit to boss fight database, which is where he got the footage.

[@yungmalaria]

it's called being THICC ya casul

[@imaginationnone9297]

are you a casual? ITS CALLED T H I C C AND WANTING TO GIVE THE S U C C

[@realkingofantarctica]

I read the title as “How Dark Souls turns moths into music” and I was like “Yeah. How _does_ Dark Souls turn moths into music?!”

[@yaojo27]

Nice video and analysis; only criticism would be that the booger-kid segments seemed to break the flow of the video and felt a bit out of place.

[@dlivingstonmcpherson]

Yeah. It felt like you (8-Bit Music Theory) were self-censoring your earnest enthusiasm about the feelings and narrative they were able to convey musically. I would've loved to here you talk more about the narrative and was always mad at the snot-nosed kid for curtailing that. Infusing your video with some comedy was and is a good idea, but you don't need to self-criticize so much. Your opinions are valuable and we want to hear them!

[@7DaltonDoms7]

All comedic elements other than 'booger kid" are great, probably due to their subtlety. Edit: Especially the Patreon plug, not as subtle- didn't need to be since its at the end of the video- but top notch.

[@Trostlosigkeit]

Gotta agree, just like the subject you talk about your interest and observations hold us enough on their own, like you said in the video, repeating it just really breaks the rhythm and the flow. Other than that, could listen to this breakdown for hours.

[@morganlak4337]

Yeah don't do booger kid again please

[@emptyshellaxiom]

Totally agree. Nice work beside that. I hope 8-bit Music Theory will do an episode about Shadow of The Comet : very short OST but excellent structure and delicious moogish 16bit textures.

[@keeponrockin22]

Am I the only one that is totally cool with you going into the lore of the game as much as the structure behind its music?

[@tk_the_onion]

*no. Most fans of the game like the lore of Dark souls. So it was more of a distraction to have wind waker boi in there*

[@dolphinboi-playmonsterranc9668]

@@tk_the_onion What?! People who like the story in a game that's known for telling its story through the world instead of cutscenes like the lore of the series?! I am shocked and appalled! Overbearing sarcasm aside, I think it's a brilliant story, and the fact thay he's so ignorant to the fact that anybody playing can enjoy it subconsciously without being forced into the generic canned animation cutscenes that were popular at the time is amazing.

[@ASmartNameForMe]

@@dolphinboi-playmonsterranc9668 I think he was joking

[@nanamacapagal8342]

I do enjoy the lore as well. There's no need for booger kid.

[@janugur2241]

That's actually very necessary when talking about video game music since composers will compose their music both for the gameplay and for the lore.

[@maidenchynna2725]

I have NO FREAKING IDEA what is going on in this video... but I still find it SO FASCINATING. I'm definetly waching more of your stuff and sending it to my more musically inclined friends.

[@lokuzt]

there's something so inherently and unmistakably _sad_ about Gwyn's theme that transcends game mechanics or technical explanation, there's so much in those piano notes that feels like slow crumbling stuff, frost and dust; asphyxiation and a vast grayness... perfect for Dark Souls

[@DreamlessSleepwalker]

Precesely, the one chord throughout around 8 bars may seem to just be bad, but it is just hollow. Like Dark Sould 3.

[@ClaeFace]

It hits even harder for me because of the sheer contrast between the idea of a final boss battle score and the score we're given.

[@Armazillo]

Yes.

[@feihnbuckland5291]

Absolutely right

[@Boobo_000]

I read grayness as gayness

[@mwatkins0590]

also, please make more "how to develop small ideas into full song" type of videos. Stuff like arrangement and development. There seems to be a lack of good videos of this on youtube. Would love you long time.

[@GaraxyAurora]

A is lonliness B is false redemption(variation 2 is defeat) C is resignation thats how I initially receive it and that build up at C I think is meant to be last breath of will to fight 9:33 I feel like its the element of doubt 11:25 I think it can be called "realisation on what is to come"

[@liamwhite3522]

"You can get away with writing 15 seconds of music and stretching it out however long it needs to be." *looks at Toby Fox *looks at Homestuck in general Yeah.

[@minnarewers3573]

Liam White tru

[@manicpanic1]

Both of which are good games!

[@michaeladams3762]

@@manicpanic1 yes toby fox is a good game. what? i know this was 7 months ago but what are you talking about

[@andythompson1998]

Toby Fox, the creator of Undertale. He's known for using a certain level of repetition in his OSTs but with a twist to make each piece unique

[@animeworld5847]

Holy shit my thoughts exactly XD

[@GutterTurtle]

2:07 i Just got distracted with the genius that is fighting Gwyn with a lightining spear...

[@zyaicob]

Omg yessss

[@zimjim4500]

10/10 skill

[@wight2211]

I always feel so excited when I see a video of yours in my sub box.

[@8bitMusicTheory]

This actually warms my heart

[@ByakurenEnjoyer]

n e p n e p

[@columbus8myhw]

So does arson

[@josebocanegra8720]

Jeez, the music in Dark Souls is pure genious, love how most of the pieces are so fitting with the context of the chapter of the story

[@PrettzL]

Could I trouble you to dissect one Souls piece in particular? The Twin Princes from Dark Souls 3 [Yuka Kitamura - [Dark Souls III #21] Lorian, Elder Prince & Lothric, Younger Prince] is overpowering and forceful, but why?

[@aditya-ie2bc]

seconded

[@EidolonOrpheus]

The intro is very chaotic but unified like a fanfare over the tonic. Cluster chords and splashes of controlled dissonance increase the sense of density already established by the broad and large instrumentation, essentially filling holes between the steps of the consonant chords. As the violins carry the intro motifs, a harpsichord and eventually other strings begin a rhythmic acceleration, sending the behemoth sound flying faster without changing the tempo. Other moving lines in the texture surface such as in the cellos, creating a somewhat polyphonic motion. Eventually, the melody reduces to the first stand violins, evoking the twin princes themselves and taking on a somewhat lonesome or isolated tone within the frenzy that continues around them.. From here, a large homophonic progression ensues where the choir and brass take the center stage. Choirs often have a religious or regal atmosphere to them, especially in this arrangement and magnitude. The piece is no longer a frenzy but a controlled regality with imposing, slower rhythms than the intro and distinct harmonic progressions. For the most part, this section dances around the dominant without making it the dominant until the end of the section where it can resolve in a cadence. It keeps you on your toes but doesn't use dissonance or leading tones to do so until it wants to. Most of the overpowering nature comes from the sheer density of instrumentation.

[@PrettzL]

EidolonOrpheus Great video.

[@EidolonOrpheus]

Sick in a hotel bed, in my delirious state I was like, "Know what, I wanna know too."

[@corneliusjohnson2473]

I agree. what a powerful composition.

[@dgp2024]

oh btw, i think how the bass line repeats endlessly like a hollow, while the mighty theme of what gwyn once was plays over it trying to overshadow it, but never able to.

[@corusal]

I think I've learned more from you about composing/songwriting than from any other youtube channel and I've just watched 3 of your videos so far... great work!

[@j.j.4708]

This looks like I'd need at least 3 hands to play it on piano

[@coffeecup1196]

Nice video, but don't be afraid to put the theory in 8-bit music theory. You don't need to restrain yourself from the lore of the game based on one subset of your subscribers, and you don't need booger-kid.

[@FootprintsForTwoTravel]

This video was very interesting to me, I have studied the psychology of gaming and books, and it is great to see the musical science to it also. Thank you. Subbed.

[@Bermeslivre]

Good video, but I hoped to see some exploration of the relationship of Gwyn's theme with the rest of the OST.

[@8bitMusicTheory]

Good point! I didn't hear much in common with Gwyn's theme and the rest of the soundtrack, but I would love it if someone corrected me on that 'cause it's not like I transcribed the whole OST or anything

[@poopsymcloopsy]

Maybe that can be emphasizing how separated from the world he is? He's trying desperately to keep off the time of darkness because of the chaos it would bring but ironically enough he's only making things worse by prolonging the age of light. You can even hear similar music in the lord of Cinder fight in the end of DS3"s main campaign so that same symbolism of prolonging the inevitable and making things worse by doing so is still there.

[@ryugasen]

The themes in the soundtrack seem to be all very different. Except the demon bosses. Taurus Demon, Chaos Witch Queelag, Ceaseless Discharge all share a certain melody (in the choir).

[@anyshittynickname]

watched most of your videos up to now. There's both clarity in explanations and analysis depth, please make a video about games that use layered tracks, such as Darkest Dungeon

[@vanderkarl3927]

So... OnlyAfro took simple mechanics and turned them into the amazing epitome of min-maxing PvP builds, Giant Dad. Motoi Sakuraba took simple motifs and turned them into a beautiful soundtrack, essentially min-maxing. ... OnlyAfro is Motoi Sakuraba confirmed!

[@potentiallyRealWarrenGraham]

Vander Karl POWER UP THE MOTIF CANON

[@EHyde-ir9gb]

THE LEGEND!

[@Nyuu3]

I've been kinda obsessed with music theory videos for a few months now and this is easily one of my favourites. You're just changing my whole understanding of musical motifs.

[@noraaaaaaa]

i havent played through all of dark souls, ive barely played ds 3, demons souls, and bb. ive been into elden ring recently though, a lot, and im ensnared in the souls franchise before. this is the first time ive heard "Gwyn, Lord of Cinder" and im in tears. what a beautiful piece and a fantastic dissection of it.

[@ibearo8500]

Thank you SO MUCH for taking on this subject! This a theme that I've been discussing with friends, and been surprised that not many people noticed, haven't seen any of your videos before this one I was expecting a more narrative thematic analysis from the player's perspective. If you pay attention (assuming you go through the game in a more or less intended route) you can notice the rise of intensity in the music until you talk to Gwynevere, where your discover you role, and from then on a descending theme right up until the battle with Gwyn. Althought this was WAY more technical than I expected, I enjoyed it lot and learned a lot about music theory. Again, thank you so much!

[@DrakolfGrimm]

Hearing this explanation of how the song is structured reminds me of how the mechanic of respawning works. The eight bar transition section calls to mind 'death', the song wants to end, but is forced to press on in spite of this desire to stop, just like the Chosen Undead and every respawning Hollow is forced to persist in their undead state. In many ways, Gwyn's theme echoes just how much he's fucked the world by prolonging his Age of Fire, there is no true resolution until it's stopped by an outside hand.

[@kozmo7]

Dammit I freaking love this channels so much. It takes both of my loves of music and video games and analyzes what makes our favorites so great. It’s so interesting and so well done, thank you SO much. I hope all the best for this channel.

[@Rad1caLxChurcH]

this was the first video of yours that I had seen, and I would just like to say. it is utterly refreshing to listen to something about on Dark Souls I have no knowledge of. Brilliant work dood.

[@gaspump]

Somehow I missed this video. I would kill to have you analyze Motoi Sakuraba's battle music. His work in Souls was a real eye opener that he could branch out and do amazing things. But you know what's super rad? The Valkyrie Profile battle tune and all the others like it from Tales and many other sources. When you hear it you *always* know it's Sakuraba and I'd love to know more about how a composer can craft that sort of signature sound... hell, even if it isn't Sakuraba. I hear it in a lot of them.

[@lazaruscomplexofficial]

I find myself coming back to this video several times a year to help with my writing

[@RequiemOfSolo]

I just found your channel and can't get enough of this.. I've watched all of your content in two days. I've been writing a lot lately and video game music has always been a huge inspiration for me. I think hearing ocarina of times soundtrack so much as a kid is what even got me into loving music in the first place. either way I absolutely love this stuff so keep going!

[@DeadlyxxBullets]

As a senior in high school and a percussionist who took AP Music Theory and absolutely loved it, not to mention being a gamer from around the time the N64 came out, seeing two of my favorite things blended together in a channel like this is absolutely amazing. Thank you for your services.

[@purpleperplexer]

Wow, this video really helped me get some things about music structure to click in my head, and you've done a great job of explaining how different parts of the song fit together to build a powerful, unified piece. Your discussion of lore also provides good context for the piece as a whole and for particular sections of it. I particularly like the way you relate the notes trailing off toward the end to the flame burning out. Outstanding explanation, thank you!

[@keystonerecords4541]

Major theory fan and dark souls fan here. I loved music theory classes in high school, and I'm quite frankly amazed at how clear and concise you are with explaining your observations in this video. I feel bad for anyone that doesn't understand what you're talking about here, because this is really something special. I never put any thought into the final boss theme before, thank you.

[@mwatkins0590]

I feel like I haved waited 15 years for this after your last video. Alas, I am sated. Now go make more.

[@8bitMusicTheory]

I'm on it *types furiously* No but thanks, I know it's been awhile haha. I'm gonna try and get them out more regularly from now on

[@mwatkins0590]

You have some of the best videos. Sometimes you gotta sacrifice speed for quality.

[@jordddn]

Your best video yet. Seriously keep it up bud these videos are great.

[@cristianotota1796]

I LOVE how you pointed out "in a universe where Sakuraba is a slightly worse composer". Those tiny details show the effort in editing.

[@lligeiro]

Dude, the work you make is unbelievably good. I mean, there isn't more niche oriented shit to me than having a very specific dark souls theme used to explain music composing in less than 15 minutes. This is the first video I see and I just love you so much for putting this out there. Thank you so much and please keep up this amazing work

[@achrafazouagh253]

Please do bloodborne ;-;

[@carlos-zy7vx]

Gehrman theme

[@skncl9859]

Okay, you are a saint for making this video. Sakuraba has honestly given me so much inspiration in my compositions and now I understand what he's doing it's lifesaving. Thanks :D

[@WindSage44]

This is legit the best new channel on youtube right now, great content

[@neoshenlong]

Its nice to see every day there's more and more channels that go into the *art* part of videogames, making analysis and recognizing the hard work, talent and beauty that is behind a lot of really well made videogames. Its also nice to see that along all of these channels that analyse writing, structure, gameplay, music, lore... there's always a constant: Dark Souls. That game is definitely something else.

[@Hezkun]

For the short time I subbed, I noticed one thing. All your videos are gold! I'm super excited to see more, as each one of your videos can really make my day.

[@neonseacow]

mentioning the narrative of the game that the song comes from helps listeners understand the motive and purpose of the composer's choices. thank you for making it clear!

[@keixayaka]

I think... I'm going to marathon your videos. This one was really informative. Also, you don't have to downplay how the story and music are related. I think it really helped with the explanations.

[@Honeystain]

Really love the thumbnails! Nobody goes for the 'R:255 G:0 B:255 Magenta' but you somehow make it work! I can instantly tell it's your video!

[@8bitMusicTheory]

Thanks!! That was the goal hahah

[@joreldecipulo2835]

Absolutely loved everything about the analysis, but please, in the future, feel free to continue your thoughts on how the piece relates back to the themes of the game. Great video :)

[@andys6204]

Actually amazing, I am going to be learning chord theory from a music major friend of mine due to your videos. I understand vaguely about tonics and chord movements, and due to your videos, my curiosity has been piqued enough for me to want to learn and memorize fully.

[@8bitMusicTheory]

That's amazing!! Good luck man, if you have have any questions feel free to message me or tweet me something

[@EMajor440]

I love your music lectures. I've been playing piano for 20 years and still learning more and more about music theory. I've never studied in college. These kinds of videos are great for moving forward from your basic music theory

[@RaxiazRedux]

I'm in love with this channel and this is the only video I've seen. I hope to see more videos like this on your channel. I love music theory... I've been out of it for half a decade though...

[@matheusmterra]

I don't understand anything about music, but I love games and their soundtracks, so listening to this and paralleling with Dark Soul's story motif was very enlightening, thank you.

[@xxxmarmasterxxx]

Very much of a Dark Souls fan. Just found your channel and instantly subscribed.

[@GamezJohn]

I gotta say, this channel is amazing and informative in a very accessible way. thank you for doing this

[@austin50100]

I'm glad someone with knowledge of music theory is analyzing video games. Exactly what I've been looking for. Thx

[@RukSaw]

Urghhhhhhh this video was SO HELPFUL

[@xiloscient3335]

When you said that the final boss theme of dark souls was a piano arrangement that made me instantly think of pure vessel from Hollow Knight, which is piano and a choir with a very non boss fight feeling theme.

[@XRandomXShinigamiX]

* Analyzes Gwyn's theme* *Begins to cry thinking about THOSE THREE NOTES.* What a wonderful song and game, thanks for making this video!

[@JOHNMARTIN-zm6zz]

I too revisited old memories at that melody, soooo many memories.

[@elihodges5593]

This is probably one of my favorite channels on yt, mostly because I know absolutely nothing about music. I know how to read play saxophone, but I had no idea music was so logical.

[@toprak3479]

I subbed because of this video. Would love to see more Dark Souls music analysis / ways of song development etc.

[@AugustBurnsSam]

That bit at the end with the Patreon dropping the money corpse in the cell cracked me up. So, a thought about the piece. It's in A Minor at 120bpm, yes? A minor, being the relative minor of C Major, uses only white keys on a piano (excluding the notes that stray out of the key). And 120bpm is a pretty standard beats per minute. I've yet to find a composing software where the default bpm isn't 120. I find it pretty interesting that the song uses two fairly standard components in its structure; being a key which uses only white keys on the piano, and also a pretty standard beats per minute. I wonder if Sakuraba took these two things into account when composing this piece.

[@Wryler8]

It’s insane how a simple sounding piece can be so complicated

[@JimFaindel]

I love how the ending seems so desperate and anxious when compared with the slow and sad start. It really brings forth the idea of an old king trying to hold to his last breath just a bit longer.

[@Sir-Dor1]

You rock, as a band kid and a Dark souls fan, this kicked ass

[@Estuways]

As a complete newcomer to this channel, I especially liked how you explained motiv variations and associated trickery in a way that seemed logical and clear. What I liked least was the snot guy.

[@klop4228]

Also, the final large section's last bar and the beginning of the last bridge form the first motif as well.

[@matag95]

The best final boss soundtrack imo. The clarity and brightness of the piano makes such an amazing contrast to the rest of the soundtrack. Also, really hearing that Erik Saties' Gymnopedies on that particular piece. Masterpiece.

[@redify9758]

Thank you for putting the 5th symphony as an example.

[@julianjohnmichael]

Your videos are awesome!! I grew up listening exclusively to video game music, which I would hum and sing to myself all the time. Then I took a music theory class many years ago and loved it. But I never saw them brought together until your videos... and it's so inspirational!!! I honestly might get my keyboard and dig up my old copy of Sibelius to try my hand at composing again :)

[@malignantastralinfestation5834]

This is an incredible video, I'm about to binge on all your videos. I'm actually learning music theory from this, and that's smashing! Thank you for the work put into this video!

[@captain_kurbis3954]

Awesome video man. I love the tie in of lore to the analysis of the piece. Thank you, I hope to see more !!!

[@nokkusuu]

Why didn't I find this channel sooner? This is amazing!

[@sound-engineer]

Having the knowledge of the motif has dramatically changed my composition skills instead of playing just random notes and consequently the composition journey already became more interesting

[@PeterAvastrat]

Dark Souls (DkS) blew me away once again recently when listening to Uprising Grand's interpretation of the Main Theme of DkS3. There's a small motif in there that I hadn't ever noticed before when listening to the full orchestration. It was at this point that I had also played the Ashes of Ariandel DLC with Sister Friede's theme. This motif in the theme was the same one used to develop the entire Friede theme... Upon finding this I immediately checked the date of the Main Theme interpretation video to check if it was a coincidence. The video had been released even before the DLC was announced. Meaning Sister Friede's theme was beautifully based on a hidden extract from the Main Theme that may only be noticeable when pulled apart. Musical genius!

[@laflecack]

is there a way to convince you to do a video on the horror themes of Bloodborne?

[@AzrenSA]

Very cool! I don't know much of anything about music composition, but this was really neat. Edit: I'd really love to see this dissection done with DS 3's Abyss Watchers theme.

[@NOOBWELLXD]

that g6(sus4) at 10:30 tho, holy shit that thing gives me chills

[@NotLegato]

this is super helpful for composition techniques.

[@YTDariuS-my6dg]

Honestly, a lot of this flies over my head, but I literally came here to enjoy a pro in his field talk about how fucking great DS is and I got what I fucking wanted

[@yellow4633]

I really liked this video. I haven't seen anyone pick apart Dark Souls music before, and I actually understood what was being said. Unfortunately, one of the first "Serious" videos on KZbin that I liked.

[@bluesnail9263]

I LOVE you man, for this video. I always thought souls 1 and 2 had uniques pieces that I only ever found on jybh012's channel and then max Richter's pieces

[@TechMetalRules]

Gwyn's theme is so, SO good.

[@johnrad9512]

Here’s a little secret that surprisingly not many Dark Souls fans noticed. The beginning part of Gwyn’s theme is the same as the prologue theme when it starts to talk about the lords challenging the dragons. I never noticed this and learned from a completely different comment in a different video. It is very well hidden.

[@zeekyzoid]

I know nothing about music other than what I got from a beginners piano class. But I feel like I've used some of these methods while whistling or humming. Too many video games with awesome music and boredom while washing dishes. Never knew something could make sense of something nearly subconscious to me (especially in a field I am clueless in). People can pick up on some interesting stuff, yo. Thank you for this.

[@Lyrdoran]

I was studying for my music theory exam and your channel actually teaches it pretty simply without even realising that you're learning lol

[@user-gu5dv7vj8r]

Kinda blows my mind you haven't done a video on Resident Evil yet. Some of the most iconic game music for sure.

[@rusca8]

6:28 that E in bar 28 sounded actually as an F. Which is interesting cause it makes 27-28 as a second, slowered version of the same three note scale

[@terrahatvol7960]

Man I really enjoyed this video. I know nothing about Dark Souls but this makes me really interested in the game as well as makes me think about how I can become a better composer. You're totally awesome. Keep it up!!

[@LouisSerieusement]

I think this is one of your best video !!

[@looney1023]

Love the motif discussions. Would love to see a video analyzing Final Fantasy 6's use of motifs, since that game has such a an operatic soundtrack (there's literally an opera in it, too).

[@SamurottDarkrai]

love this so much, so helpful for composing!

[@clairecheng9044]

You should do a video on Bloodborne, especially Gehrman, the First Hunter. It's easily one of my favourite tracks, especially since Bloodborne uses leitmotifs so much!

[@lifetranscendence3711]

Lord Cinder song Reminds me of Resident Evil 2 Precinct theme. So amazing.

[@jipowap]

Love to see you do this with the dark souls 3 return of this motif.

[@Krystalmyth]

Gwyn's theme sounds like a duet performed by one person.

[@THESTRUGGLER95]

Great video. Love all of this game's music so much and this is my second favorite of them. Only thing I didn't like was the armor you were wearing in the gameplay during the Gwyn fight lol! The Smough chest piece is even stronger than Havel's AND it weighs less, so to have them mixed is a bit odd and not optimal. Other than that it was awesome! (Also booger kid was a bit annoying for interrupting the "lore" segments since I LOVE this game's lore just as much as the music)

[@profilename1456]

This is possibly the most useful video I've heard so far on this channel! Any recommendations on where to learn more about putting motifs in practice? I feel this is a big issue I've been trying to overcome as a composer (not only does it take 4x longer but my music tends to lack identity), and it'd be nice to learn more.

[@tavastian3288]

Aahhh yes, the legendary Plin Plin Plon. Time to cry, again..