8MM: We'd like to commision a film. A Dino Velvet original.

[@desiderious1]

Personally I think this is one of the best underrated movies ever made. It had a creepy vibe to it and Joaquin Phoenix did a fantastic job in this film.

[@AaronEllisOfficial]

Nicholas Cage was fantastic as well

[@DivineAtheistWannabe]

Underrated because all the pedo elites were thinking "better not let this film get too popular, or they'll be on to us!" The popularity of this film had to be snuffed out at it's infancy

[@Boxingbear]

I agree. Great movie, sadly underrated.

[@rts1795]

Definitely. One of my top 3 favorite Dark/noir movies

[@MU-we8hz]

For me, this movie, Constantine and Stand by me, are the best movies ever made

[@yurifeh7842]

People think Dino was Stupid when you have to be pretty damn smart and paranoid to not get caught and survive in something like this.

[@metalgrinch]

Love Dino's funny hand gesture at 3:56 😂🤣

[@ChaplinCo]

My boy Phoenix did great in this film

[@freddiemercury4evr]

In every film. He disappears into his characters completely.

[@wondermcthunder8835]

Exactly

[@davidbonillajr9959]

You damm right he did!!!

[@davidbonillajr9959]

@@freddiemercury4evr ..1,000 % correct on that statement 👏.. He's such a great actor who happens be to Puerto Rican so proud of him.. The last Puerto Rican actor I looked up to was Raul Julia from Adam's family!...

[@seansullivan7928]

Do you know him or something?

[@genemaguire]

Dino put Mr Pink in the wood chipper in Fargo...

[@thoughtsurferzone5012]

Peter Stormare is king of the creepy actors, much like Tim Carey was.

[@neilsingh5923]

Did you mean Tim Curry?

[@thoughtsurferzone5012]

Nope, Tim Carey, Google the name.

[@mulapare2593]

Yeah... Kubrick's Paths of Glory!

[@thoughtsurferzone5012]

And The Killing.

[@denisepleines1513]

I like Peter Stormare. In Fargo he was perfect. A strong silent don't fu*k with me Swede. 👑 I like him better with the dark hair. 👍

[@elfonero1492]

Dino Velvet is the best artist of this century

[@caseyhafer2550]

A truly magnificent filmmaker and pioneer of the avant garde. A god damn genius.

[@capoislamort100]

@@caseyhafer2550which is your favorite work from him?

[@caseyhafer2550]

@@capoislamort100 well I know if I had to choose it’s be either Choke or Devil. The subliminal in Choke is what really gets under your skin. As for Devil…wow. It certainly frightened me as much as it excited me but I’d be hard pressed to choose a favorite. Nobody has Dino’s integrity…the grainy look of his VHS transfers sets him apart

[@NarutoKindOfGuy]

this guys' infilitration and espionage skills could use some work.

[@VredesStall]

NarutoKindOfGuy Money talks.... that's all the "infiltration" skills he'll ever need.

[@mattcunningham9235]

This movie is fucking retarded. If they had an inkling of evidence that he had the FBI wouldve busted this shit wide open easily. He gets that max california guy killed for no reason basicslly

[@joecoupon8299]

@@mattcunningham9235 the FBI was found to be corrupted recently. And, not every field office is run with the purity of their Academy in Quantico.

[@VredesStall]

@betatalk357 Awesome analysis and I like the way you think. Well done. But we have to remember that Dino Velvet is not only an artist but is (just as importantly a business man) to sell his "art" and make money. When (Investigator) Tom and his "associate", Max, arrive at Velvet's 'office'... We see Dino on the phone apparently discussing business with another associate so we can deduce that Dino is a fairly busy man with his art-business and has a fan-base... so it's not like it is completely out of the ordinary for someone to want one of Dino's films. Or, to put it another way... Porno / S&M / Bondage / Fetish fans come from all walks of life and as Max explained a few minutes prior, Dino will do commissions for the right price... nothing illegal... but borderline. If Dino is doing nothing illegal (and we will assume that he is not) than he knows that he has nothing to worry about. Unless, of course... Dino is making a snuff film and will do all he can (and/or use only what is absolutely necessary) to document the snuff-murder in order to get away with it. As far his phone call with Eddie Poole... we can tell by his tone of voice and the way that he talks down to and dismisses Eddie that Dino again feels he has nothing to worry about and/or thinks little more of Eddie than an occasional business associate. Of course, while all this taking place... the rich-man's lawyer, Longdale, is trailing Welles because as we learn, both Longdale and his deceased client, Mr. Christiansen, were the conspirators & ring-leaders behind the snuff-film (as well as that of Mary-anne's murder). But my biggest question is once the snuff film had been uncovered by Christiansen's widow... why didn't the lawyer just find a way of getting rid of and destroying the film when she wasn't looking... or... contact all of those involved (Eddie, Dino & "Machine") and inform them ahead of time that an investigator was hired and would soon be looking for them and asking strange questions?? Getting back to Eddie... he again has only what is little more than a passing business relationship with Dino and when pressed by Welles about who "Machine" is, Eddie states that he (Machine) is Dino's boy and both shows up & leaves wearing his mask. So... the two closest "friends" out of this mixed bag of lowlifes would be Dino and "Machine" as they are the first two who are at the 'movie-set' when Welles arrives and it is Machine he rushes to Dino's aide when he is shot in the neck by Longdale.

[@VredesStall]

​@betatalk357 Another good analysis.... but here is my rebuttal. ** "Dino was running the whole show". Indeed... Dino Velvet "ran the show" as far making the film from behind the camera was concerned. However, it was the deceased steel-baron, Christiansen, who was the catalyst behind the snuff-film in the first place. Or, as Tom Welles during is rendezvous with Longdale: Christiansen could not locate one... so he paid his lawyer to find (that is, make) one for him. Since Longdale was not exactly an expert on porn (and especially snuff films) it probably didnt take him long or a whole lot homework to find a shoe-in to the porno-world down in seedy Los Angeles with Eddie Poole. Eddie saw a chance at quick, easy money and took it... Not unlike how Max California was a "friend of a friend" of 'Frenchy'... Eddie was a "freind of a friend" of Dino's... who also knew a 'friend' who was just right for the job for a snuff film (ie, "Machine"). ** "Longdale probably already called Dino" **. Longdale did indeed call Dino... but this was AFTER Tom and Max had had their meeting with Dino under the guise of commissioning a "Dino-Velvet Original" (that is... Tom was trying to set them up to see the murderer "Machine" in person). Dino confirms this when he tells Welles that he didn't know what to make of him at first but that an old acquaintance (ie, Longdale) re-appeared to explain the whole thing to him... so when Welles arrived at the "set-location" they were already light-years ahead of him and knew he was investigating who made the snuff-film and wanted it back from him immediately. ** "Eddie would've called Longdale directly" **. Not so sure about that, as Longdale would have likely changed and/or used different phone numbers as per his dealings with a scumbag like Eddie (and perhaps the same goes with Dino). Afterall, Dino knew he short-changed all of them and (more importantly) knew what they were all capable of and didnt want to have to deal with them any longer or anymore than what was absolutely necessary. Or, being that he is a lawyer, he likely knew how to locate them on his terms without them locating him... because like you said, Longdale did not want to risk embarrasment... or worse. And like you had said in your previous comment.... since Tom Welles knew that Longdale had double-crossed and was lying to him the entire time, he had no hesitations whatsoever about ratting him out to Dino and Eddie about how Longdale had short-changed the two of them... which was a clever thing to do at that very tense moment as it got their attention off of him for just a few moments. I've always wondered what they had planned on doing with Tom once they got the film back from him. Yes, they could have destroyed it and sent him on his way... but... since they killed Max right in front of him and since Tom knew that they were all responsible for Maryanne's murder they probably would have had no choice but to kill him because Welles "knew too much". ** "As for Longdale, it'd implicate himself if he stole the snuff film" **. ????? Well, he KNEW full-well that he was already implicated in Mary-anne's murder... which is why I don't understand why he didn't have the film destroyed and/or at least try to convinced Mrs. Christiansen to destroy it so that they could all save face. Now that I think on it... he probably did try to talk her into destroy it... but Mrs. Christiansen being the kind descent woman she is, decided that she wanted to get to the bottom of this atrocity once and for all... and Longdale did as she wished because he didn't want to lose his gravy-train with her when she could have easily fired him if he didnt play ball or do as she told him. Now that I think on that more... perhaps to stay in good graces with Mrs. Christiansen and not bite the hand that feeds him Longdale likely cooked up some story to her that he would keep an eye on Investigator Welles to ensure that she got her money's worth and that he did his job as a convenient excuse to keep an eye on Welles to see just how far he would get and/or as a means of protecting her family's reputation (which, he actually was... but his as well... especially since he and his deceased client were ultimately responsible for a snuff-film and a girl's murder). Furthermore, Welles makes it clear that he would only be working directly with her and that her relationship with her attorney Longdale was her own... so since both Mrs. Christiansen and (by extention) Welles were determined to investigate this matter and leave no stone unturned... all Longdale could do was hope that Welles would either fail and/or give up (which almost did happen a number of times along the way). ** "If caught, he'd have to implicate the deceased Mr. Christiansen, thereby embarrassing Mrs. Christiansen" **. Mrs. Christiansen was already well away of this... which is why she had decided to use a private investigator in lieu of going to the police (in other words, to "keep it in the family" in the event she learned of some nightmare that she was dreading to be true... which, unfortunately... was the case). ** "Dino and "Machine" being close friends - good eye - I didn't pick up on it myself. I wouldn't say they're close friends, since "Machine" arrives and leaves wearing the mask" **. When Welles ambushes and beats up Eddie, he demands to know where "Machine" lives. Eddie pleads that he doesn't know and that he's Dino's boy and that he always wears a mask. This is probably the only time I believe anything that Eddie says. -- Considering that the story of "8mm" takes place in 1998-1999 and that the events of the snuff-film and Maryanne's murder take place about six years earlier (around 1992 or 1993)... AND... -- ...that the film used to make the snuff-film was discontinued about a year or so before Maryanne's killing (likely an intentional foresight & precaution on Dino's part to better prevent it being traced back to him)... ...this would imply that Dino and "Machine" have known of each other for quite a while and well-before they made the snuff-film and continued their relationship in the years since considering that "Machine" has appeared in Dino's subsequent works since then... (ie, in Dino's "Devil in the Dungeon" video when Welles spots and identifies 'Machine' for the second time and speculates that both Dino and "Machine" know of each other on some level). In summary... if Dino and "Machine" knew of each other prior to 1992-1993 and have worked together since then, than it stands to reason that they know of each other quite well, perhaps are close friends (especially when considering the circumstances)... and maybe Dino even knows "Machines" mother... or... perhaps the two may even be related.

[@dmays4964]

Lol notice how Cage never turned his back to Velvet

[@angelamatlock1932]

I love this flick so much I named my black cat dino velvet

[@juanelorriaga2840]

“Where the fuck is Laura?!?!” Sounded like my pops when he was alive.hehehe

[@desiderious1]

Dino Velvet is a wacko.

[@NarutoKindOfGuy]

"you're a genius. a god damn genius." he should have toned down on the flattery. makes him look suspicious.

[@daleandrews367]

Agreed. Just something like: "Mr. Velvet, you're a genius" would have been sufficient.

[@thermonuclearcollider4418]

He also doesn't really sound like a fan meeting someone he admires - too detached, you can tell he doesn't like being there. He should've come up with a better story, like "I am here on the behalf of someone else who wants an original movie from you". The slimy lawyer (spoiler alert) would set him up anyway, but at least this scene would've been more credible. Peter Stormare is stealing the show btw.

[@ethangibbs4400]

yeah but it sounds fucking hilarious when he says it, especially when he says "Hello, Machine...Love your work"

[@freddiemercury4evr]

It seemed a bit sarcastic to me.

[@DivineAtheistWannabe]

As if putting Eddie on MAJOR alert just recently who CALLED Dino about this issue wasn't ringing enough alarm bells already. He comes up and wants Dino to make a new film with Machine in it. Lol. That's already suspicious asf

[@genemaguire]

Machine was a sicko with a creepy voice... funny scene later where Tom tells him he "loves his work"...

[@drDEVILOCK]

What do you espect a Monster???

[@VredesStall]

@genemaguire I think the "funniest" scene (if you could even call it 'funny')... ...was just after Dino burns the film-footage and Tom Wells breaks down... and starts mocking them for all still being a bunch of "low-time motherf**kers" even after all the 'millions' that they got paid. As it turns out... those three cronies only got about $50,000 to split among them while Longdale pocketed the rest. When they all learn of this, they (Dino, Eddie and 'Machine') all turn their attention away from Tom and back to Longdale. As they're closing in on him, "Machine" picks up a knife and hides it behind his back as he makes his way towards Longdale. Ohhhh.... as if Longdale didn't know what our boy 'Machine' likes to do with a knife. 😈🔪🔪

[@silversobe]

These snuff film businesses are real. Daisy's Destruction made by Peter Skully is an example. He was a lower level op in asia. The top never seem to get investigated as infiltration & blackmail keeps it all together and prevents any chance of prosecution.

[@comicbookreviewer4856]

To me what makes Tom work as a character is role in the film is a message and a moral that once you enter the inferno and the other world you might not be ready for the truth fully and that sometimes entering the inferno and the other world will always come with a price

[@Disharmony]

Daisy's Destruction doesn't count as snuff because no one actually gets killed. Both victims were found alive.

[@Nick-qf7vt]

One of the girls in the movie WAS killed.

[@Disharmony]

@Nick-qf7vt No, they're not. Read the articles. Daisy survived but with horrific injuries. The other girl in the video is a collaborator.

[@felicity4711]

I love Peter Stormare’s hair in most things he’s in

[@dr.juerdotitsgo5119]

He's role as Satan in Constantine is quite embarrassing though ha

[@denisepleines1513]

I prefer it darker. His hair was too blond in Fargo

[@Hellblazer311]

dino velvet reminds me of my dad

[@MudPeppers]

Hellblazer311 lol

[@nyxvolture1520]

Creepy

[@renzokata]

He looks like a cop though. I would have came in there with a hustler shirt and jeans.

[@billsykes2977]

Or better, to say he's representing some wealthy guy, who wanted to stay anonimus. That would perfectly explain why he didn't show any enthusiasm about Dino's work.

[@BaileysMariner]

Can't you answer my simple question: WHERE IS PANCAKES HOUSE.

[@carolannpacificadam1944]

Will there be waffles?

[@amarieoflothlorien]

Dino knew they were fake when he got the light from Max. People who commision extreme hardcore BDSM or worse movies like that usually are into that scene and love pain. Max should have loved the way Dino crushed his hand.

[@VredesStall]

Or... maybe (like many porn fans) they just like to watch more than they want to participate and/or they watch because they cannot participate.

[@LimSky420]

Huh? Didnt you watch it? He already knew...the butler who paid him 25k to make the film told him.

[@christofferjenzen78]

​@@LimSky420 No,The butler told Dino after this meeting.

[@jadentheprinceofdarkness4824]

So Castor Troy and Arthur Fleck visit Gaear Grimsrud....... Let’s just say shit went down when Troy wanted peaches and Gaear wanted pancakes

[@Meeeeeech]

The Machine= Frank Sabotka

[@ИванКаракчеевПиктчюерс]

AKA Lloyd Gettys.

[@chriswilson1968]

@@ИванКаракчеевПиктчюерс AKA Huge hog beast

[@danielbaugher826]

Mitch Cuellar he played a killer in the devils advocate

[@drDEVILOCK]

Chris Bauer

[@sumoni]

It's what happens when they take away the stevedore jobs. Man's still got a family to feed.

[@dmays4964]

If i was dino velvet id know it was bull shit off the bat. They acted timid and for the kind of money they were talking about spending ud think they would have a little more stipulations than what they said. Plus Cage sounded like he didn't know shit about Velvet's videos nor did he shake hands with the guy. Lol

[@sdawg4834]

That's what made the scene genius!! Nicolas Cage acted exactly what an undercover private investigator would sound like! The whole admiration speel about DV's film making "the grain the grittiness" ....Even the novice DV's with half a brain would see red flags all over this movie request lol.

[@VredesStall]

Dino later said at the "red-room" location that he didn't know what to make of Tom Wells. Tom Wells certainly didn't fit the profile of your typical S&M / hard-bondage weirdo. But, then again... we have to remember that the rich-man and/or his lawyer got in touch with Dino about 7 years earlier. The rich-man couldn't find a snuff-film... so he paid / "commissioned" Dino to actually make one. Said another way: that 8mm film of that poor girl being murdered on film was in fact.... A Dino-Velvet "Original".

[@juliaplous9092]

This is one of my favorite movies. Such a good thriller.

[@cmm98]

oh god i love flattery lol

[@jakeynightmare8482]

Ohhhhhh God I looooove flattery

[@xxlivebaitxx3363]

"We'd like to commission a film. A Slippery Pete original, one of a kind.

[@NarutoKindOfGuy]

3:45 it looks like he's onto them.

[@christiane.g.4142]

"Those are 2 different kinds of trust"

[@Risingsun294]

that animal....machine :D :D uahuahauhau

[@MrKlaudiosable]

I'm camera shy xd

[@lambadamarkasi]

the best movie ever

[@noahmijo]

The other performer has to be that animal…..the one that killed joe peeps….Blundetto

[@FRANCISCOANZALDO1978]

This movie is sooo good 👍👍👍👍👍

[@francocorradi5818]

Dino Velvet goes to hell after his death and then becomes Lucifer.

[@mulapare2593]

Constantine!...

[@bigdaddytrips6197]

Dino knew he was a undercover .

[@VredesStall]

I don't think he knew he was undercover.... but... I think Dino was fairly suspicious of him. If Max could tell that Tom looked more like a cop than no doubt Dino also picked up on it.

[@AaronEllisOfficial]

@@VredesStall agreed

[@psychedelicpain420]

@@VredesStall Longdale might have told Dino he was undercover, since he was behind this

[@2000dpdpdp]

@@psychedelicpain420 smart

[@constantinedeanfrownysmila2421]

@@psychedelicpain420 He did but after this meeting. Dino says they had Eddie on pins and then a friend from the past cleared things up.

[@bertiibarrasalazar5628]

0:46 Aphex Twin Come to Daddy 😈

[@christofferjenzen78]

Dino didnt know what they were up to at this point,he just had a sixth sense or....common sense. When shit goes down,he says"I didnt know what to make of you at first....then an old business partner from the past etc..." So the lawyer hasnt told him yet but he still knows theyre full of shit.

[@VredesStall]

When they met later at the "red-room"... Dino did indeed say that he didn't know what to make of him. Tom Wells certainly didn't fit the profile of your typical S&M / hard-bondage weirdo. But, then again... we have to remember that the rich-man or his lawyer got in touch with Dino about 7 years earlier. The rich-man couldn't find a snuff-film... so... he paid / "commissioned" Dino to actually make one. So this wasn't exactly Dino's first rodeo encountering or maybe even dealing with unlikely, straight-laced, suit-&-tie people occasionally coming out of the woodwork... who want a taste of Dino's "secret hot-sauce". Said another way: that 8mm film of that poor girl being murdered on film was in fact... A Dino-Velvet "Original".

[@fernandomoisessoriarangel1919]

The joker and memphis rainne to visit Dino velvet

[@twitterlegend5066]

sick this is done in real life too and not just a movie

[@gabevachon326]

Thats my old running buddy Rhino as the doorman. Too bad he had no lines. I was on the set with him that day. Weird vibe....like Se7en.

[@VredesStall]

@gabevachon326 Wow!!... no kidding?? Did he have any stories from working on this movie?? Holy Cow, that is awesome!!💯

[@gabevachon326]

@@VredesStall Just Joel Schumacher lamenting he was getting old and not the sex magnet he used to be. Peter Stormare was great to talk to, very approachable. Too bad the film didn't do better. It's well done

[@danielbaugher826]

" your a genius Mr Velvet " lol

[@betinvior1419]

que pelicula tan mas chingona

[@drDEVILOCK]

saludos Mexicano Chingon de un Chileno Chingon XD

[@yorkshire3939]

Joaquin was researching his Joker role in this movie.

[@lesterfiend876]

I 2nd that. If you can upload the entire film, that would be awesome. I'm still waiting for its Blu-Ray release.

[@2H2521]

Lester Fiend 6 years later you finally get your way, it’s finally been released on Blu-Ray by scream factory.

[@erniethechicken8581]

German voice of dino is soo much more sinister

[@gregbradshaw7220]

Swedish

[@73dustpan]

Maaaaaaachine…

[@sashabalsam2186]

Peter Stormare is my crush

[@mulapare2593]

Really, baby?

[@tomerbar5025]

full movie

[@chastitymelissa4130]

Will the real 32 please stand up ❤❤❤

[@chastitymelissa4130]

Es bueno para ti, es bueno para mi.

[@JoeJohn777]

machine ......

[@ahsansiddiqui4263]

I would like to say this is wherer cage was at his peakk but he peaked again in Weather Man

[@Blodia1990]

Ahsan Siddiqui Leaving Las Vegas and Adaptation are pretty good

[@HendersonHinchfinch]

Got Heem

[@ratuadilFF]

Buat apa film inj dibuat? Ya untuk aku menyelidikinya, dan menumpas perdagangan manusia, semisal kasus vina cirebon, Aku dan tim red flag disuruh memburu pelaku perdagangan manusia di masa depan, film ini dibuat tahun 1999, disaat itu aku masih sekolah, kamu masih naik angkot, mereka masih minum es cekek

[@benmelman9505]

That's how the Joker was born.

[@NarutoKindOfGuy]

wow. that was terrible. dino velvet or whoever figured out they were plants.

[@freddiemercury4evr]

@@SpikeMichaels Max isn't law enforcement lol

[@senkaiden22]

who know the name of the video music in 00:47

[@famousdraven5443]

It's the official video for Aphex Twin - "Come to Daddy". The sogn later played in Machine's home. Subtle foreshadowing.

[@VredesStall]

@@famousdraven5443 Good Eye!!!

[@jenknight1897]

Like that at the end taking your money but not your picture 2 different kids of trust well mayb someone needs to tell these young girls today that get sent down the wrong path selfie turn into something much darker

[@templartookie2122]

Can anyone direct me to person like Dino Velvet? I wish to purchase or fund an original film

[@polpot4595]

You may have to give up some Paladin levels

[@templartookie2122]

@@polpot4595 man i dont even remember writing this comment lmao. And why am i not surprised that pol pot and aristotle are in these comments

[@edrodriguez4822]

Cage is not a good actor

[@VredesStall]

@edrodriguez4822 I concur. I never was a big fan of Cage as an actor. Tbh... I always thought he was quite overrated. That said, I think he did very well in this movie. Which is saying alot, as I'm not a fan of his.

[@2H2521]

@edrorodriguez4822 Not true! He can be an excellent actor in the right role which he’s displayed many times, he was pretty great in this film.

[@2H2521]

@@VredesStallI admire that you could at least acknowledge that he did quite well in this film.

[@anactaneustheeleventh2542]

@edrodriguez4822 He is a very good actor, he was great in this one, he was also great in Windtalkers and many others, so don’t know what you’re talking about.

[@Sunfadedlovejaded]

Who doesn't want to be involved in this kind of underground business I Belarus I know people, people who do this sort of thing and deal drugs. They have brand new cars every week

[@joecoupon8299]

Not much of a future when their brain and blood ruin their new car's upholstery. Colombian sicarios had lots of toys, sex, and money. But, they died by lead poisoning--in the thousands.

[@mulapare2593]

@@joecoupon8299 Where was the lead coming from? The waterpipes?🤭😆😄

[@peachoxo4099]

It's evil and immoral for a start and if there's an afterlife those fancy cars certainly won't be worth it.

[@pvcfetishman6171]

you're genius mr velet a godamm genuis a love that line