8s 1717 Sensored vs SensorLESS Big Block Limitless

Not trying to break records, first time out passing 120 mph with the new 1717 1650kv. Topped out in gearing so you can certainly gear higher.
1st test is Sensored, 2nd run is SensorLESS. I was skeptical with gearing taller than normal regarding the motors KV, but it actually performed very well. Next step is CNHL batteries and taller gearing... Motor wasn't straining at all, especially with being on the short road for a quick test.
#CastleCreations
#New1717
#InnovationRC
#ArrmaLimitless

[@heat305rc]

holy moly Brandon keep pushing it brother. heck of a run 🏃‍♂️ 💪💪💪🔥🔥🔥

[@marksmola7299]

Excellent build , run and video. Thanks

[@earlmoorhead5555]

Always appreciate the testing as I’m having an issue with sensor vs sensor less on a dual esc after a few comments I believe the to motors might be causing my problems as the esc don’t know where the magnet are when starting or I might be able to adjust dual motor thru my receiver but not sure still solving it trying some pretty crazy comments ppl are asking so your channel really inspired my old butt to think again so I definitely appreciate what you do for this hobby and ppl around you 💯💯🔥🔥🙏🙏🙏🙏🧲🧲⚡️⚡️👑👑

[@thelifeucrc58]

Nice contents you're putting out always enjoy your information and ability to be creative

[@InnovationRC]

Thank you sir I do appreciate that

[@MrPlasticdinosaur484]

Nice rig! I have been running the old castle 1717 in a 1/5 scale redcat xb-e on 8s with a cooling fan for several years with no issues. I did gear down some. The old motor is rated at 6s as you stated,but many people have run it on 8s without problems anyway great content 👍

[@kcmullins6179]

Dude I love watching your videos lol those 1717ys are bad ass. I got one in my Arrma Granite mega v3. Im going for a world record for a Arrma Granite mega / brushless conversion before I turn it into a monster senton then to a drag rig then to a big rock lol. It's crazy with all we can do with these rigs. Good job on the builds and good luck in the future builds brother.

[@derjoh1986]

Ha,ha!! Your castle creations cap pack setup is something I would do!! Lol

[@kevinrc.marino2068]

Good little motor there.

[@CoachDRC]

Good first out pass with the 1717 fam! #rcfam4life

[@rcpd3157]

He can definitely take some more grar! Those where some great passes. I hate the tire unglued on you. It could always be worse though. Great video.

[@paokang1242]

I really love it

[@HAPPYJACKRC]

Very good. Keep sharing brother

[@InnovationRC]

Thanks Happy Jack 💪

[@jaymitchrc]

Nice runs, from what I see she can def take a little more gear. Did you find the 2nd lipo?

[@InnovationRC]

Yeah I found the other one. Absolutely, I have a much faster setup planned to be tested very soon. Appreciate it man 💪

[@scottg8177]

What gearing were you running?

[@TheRCMaster]

I lost my dynamite GPS first day I got it 😐 spent hours looking for it too and the road I ran at was 11 hours drive from home! Needless to say I never got to do a comparison test😂😂 Cool video bro 👍 I hope you get it all fixed up great numbers too 💪

[@InnovationRC]

Sorry to hear, that really sucks especially being 11 hours away

[@derjoh1986]

I would have kept looking for that puppy! Lol

[@TheRCMaster]

@@derjoh1986 we looked back on the footage later and the GPS actually appeared to have let go and come off the car while I done the U-turn before the pass. We were looking in the wrong spot the whole time 😂

[@bigboytoyzrc9258]

That's a big ass pinion man!

[@billyhandleton6902]

More heat means more power! But that thing runs fast and cool. Sweet rig

[@InnovationRC]

Yessir! Very solid setup

[@rcbustanut2057]

Nice bro! 👍 I feel ya, I been there lol. Hahaa, once I had to literally run to get the car cuz I had walked to the spot where I did the run. That fear of "hope its not in the middle of the road & gets run over by a vehicle" 😂 And the parts search, oh yeah! 🤦‍♂️😄 Quick question, did you have to do any mods to fit that 1717 motor in, cuz that's one chunky motor lol!

[@chriswade3986]

How are you running two 4s batteries stacked with the stock body? I can’t fit mine

[@rchobbylyfe6449]

I would like to know the same answer

[@modelaircraft6576]

127mph that why I like castle they know their stuff

[@nolimitrc1]

Really.. i dont really notice a different between the castle and the hobbywing got the same 138 mph the castle was a little cooler than the hobbywing

[@antoniopagandiaz2189]

Nice pass rc innovations 💪👍🚦127 mph sound god

[@antoniopagandiaz2189]

Hi brandon with one wire solder you use for motor conector with one you recomended for mi thank you apreciate

[@klynnroberts9406]

Would love to see a drag setup

[@sr5689]

What gear set up do you have I have the same motor on my typhon extended I currently have 40t gear and 26t on spur...want it know if that's a good set up im looking for top speed.. thanks

[@froz3ntree40]

Awesome run, man, nice, clean, straight like an arrow. Good job, man! Really interested to see how a taller gearing and better batteries will affect the top speed, I bet the car will do at least 140 mph. Keep it like that!

[@John-np2bf]

Love this bro! Nice run, sorry about the spill. I swapped out my Felony's stock motor with a hobbywing 1650 and bumped up to a spare 8s spectrum 160 amp ESC and an 8s cap pack and I'm only hitting 80! :( I was hitting those speeds on a stock setup minus the large pinion.' 29 tooth' My programming and calibration are good and so are my temps. I'm thinking I need to gear up more? Maybe a 1 to 1 ratio? I have a limitless roller waiting for me. I just need to find the right place to run it.

[@ant9072]

Did you ever figure it out?

[@duder280z]

On a Mamba X, If you have smart sense turned on, top speed will be unaffected by sensor use. The way it works, it only uses the sensor to start, after around 10% rpm, it switches to sensorless automatically.

[@InnovationRC]

Yes that's right, given the sensor portion is vastly more efficient at low rpm, I wanted to challenge if it would be any temperature differences after a run. Being a crash happened after, well, null 😅

[@Openthrottlerc]

How do you turn it off? Just not run the wire?

[@KaizerTest]

Hey bro is it ok for balance and weight to have 2 high batteries stacked high like that? Do you have the car suspension set up differently to run a flipped motor mount and batts on one side as opposed to one batt on each side and the motor in the stock motor location?

[@InnovationRC]

Everything is fine. Aerodynamics are balanced out at high speed so it balances out at speed

[@KaizerTest]

@@InnovationRC Ok good to know. I will be doing the flip on one of my cars soon as well. Hey I'm running a TP 4050 CM motor 3200kv (high I know) in my Felony which has the Limitless diff gears front and back 3.30 ratio. Also running a MMX 8s with a spool. I was running 34/34 pinion and spur but I know that's too high. Any idea what I should run pinion wise with a 34 tooth Spur? I can rarely get out that why I ask for the help.

[@nolimitrc1]

You should use the qs8 connectors for any 8s

[@MatrixRC]

Great run very well done. I run IC5 connectors and power hobby lipos no problem but I keep getting a sputtering sound in the beginning of my speed run then it goes away. I believe I need more capacitor capsules I currently have four external soldered on may need a total of 8. What you think?

[@InnovationRC]

Appreciate it. I think you are fine, the sputtering is cogging from the motor load trying to overcome its static friction from a stop with a high geared setup

[@MatrixRC]

@@InnovationRC thanks Brother I appreciate that insightful diagnosis. I love your work its refreshing to see your innovative ideas put to work.

[@leowatson1580]

Hey you think you could do 170 miles per hour on the Limitless or over

[@dirtrider88]

so if you have 2 4s batteries in series like that then your only running the full voltage of both batteries through one half of one connector right? all others are only seeing about 14.8? wouldnt it be more of a concern if you were just running 1 8s battery with a jumper in the other connector?

[@apachebone7591]

Did you have to shave a little off the 1717 mounting plate? I can’t get the motor mount to slide in the bracket.

[@InnovationRC]

Take the left side skirt out. That's what's blocking the motor from sliding in. It's the bolt to the side skirt support. Once in, bolt back in

[@ctbcrf50]

Do you know about how much your car weighs? Trying to decided if that 1717 1650 Kv is enough for my erevo 2.0, weighs about 10-12 pounds and trying to hit 100 with it

[@mam362]

keep in mind that smartsense turns off the sensor on the motor once it gets going

[@deaf.dumb.blinded]

With this combo and stock gearing on the limitless, could you run this for a whole 6s pack just street bashing without over heating?

[@InnovationRC]

Absolutely

[@ALLPROFAMOUS]

What Pinion gear was you running

[@speedracer123222]

What about some small air tanks and blows at high speeds. Like the Tesla roadster space X edition

[@joshherrman3201]

Someone was saying you had a video on the 1717 with solder or sensor issues? Have you had any problems with yours?

[@InnovationRC]

I never read issues with a 1717, but I did desolder the lead off one, it just got too hot for some reason. Testing the Turnigy batteries a couple months ago

[@joshherrman3201]

@@InnovationRC im having some sensor issues. Seems to be hit and miss

[@kryptonitelegacy4050]

Hello i got the 1717 1650kv now I installed it to my infraction brand new I thought I calibrated it right it runs forward backwards and breaks but the issue I have is I turn the remote on then the car it does not make that sound your car does at the beginning it blinks red for a while then recognizes the receiver and starts the green blinking process ? What did I do wrong hope you can help me on this would be great

[@bjkgamers2217]

Can we get more drag racing

[@KaizerTest]

Nice pass! And in socks! lol. If that hits your foot say goodbye to it. 👋 I wear high top shoes on every speed pass. Is this the same motor that comes in the X-01?

[@InnovationRC]

This is the newer castle 1717. Traxxas rebranded the original 1717. I sometimes wear only socks so I can be quick to jump over the car if it were to get close rather than big shoes. I dunno if rather jump than stay still lol

[@KaizerTest]

@@InnovationRC Yeah I hear you. I've been nailed in the ankle but my car at 90mph before. The high tops saved me. But I have jumped before on occasion..

[@mesanders1113]

I got nailed by my Traxxas Jato 3.3 at around 70mph back in the day couldn't imagine some of these newer cars.

[@JimmyB55]

Blow out at 127 and car looks pretty good 👍 go limitless

[@paokang1242]

It so fast 💨

[@TW39]

Do sensored rc motors need cooling fans

[@DESOUSAB]

Newbie here - what does increasing the number of capacitors do for you?

[@InnovationRC]

More capacitors in line increases Capacity. If the caps are in a series configuration then it'll stack Voltage

[@DESOUSAB]

@@InnovationRC Doh... I appreciate the response, but I am afraid I still don't understand functionally what it will give me. Is it sort of like an amplifier storing power to allow it to blow the roof when the beat drops??

[@spooky_dreamshaha5584]

how much did you buy it for

[@unboxinglife7114]

The possibilities are......

[@stankakol5195]

I am new to the hobby. Are there gears with, say, 50, 60 or 70 teeth?

[@InnovationRC]

What are you trying to do? You don't need 50-70 tooth gears really

[@stankakol5195]

@@InnovationRC I want to exceed 203 MPH. I think the motors have the power and that the key is massive gearing. Agree or disagree?

[@InnovationRC]

@@stankakol5195 should get a way to put the power to the ground safe and consistently and that will be your speed. You need a lot of power for anything over 140 to begin with

[@CR5rc]

@@stankakol5195 new to the hobby and want 200mph? There is a lot of knowledge, money, and skill required to go that fast. Try being a little more realistic, as your skills and knowledge increase so will the speeds. Be happy to do 120mph to start with, your car is already a very dangerous projectile at those speeds. Do you have anywhere suitable to even attempt going that fast? You'll need a surface almost perfectly smooth and long enough to wind up and stop. Watch some vids of how small of a bump in the road it takes to make these cars airborne when moving over 100mph. Good luck Be safe. And be sure to post some videos, I'd love to see a car go that fast.

[@thornmatthew8395]

Why put your hood up if you are always with it? Just a question...

[@InnovationRC]

I usually top off batteries after a run so I charge with a DC charger. Full charge batteries per run will give consistent results. Hence getting 127 twice.

[@thornmatthew8395]

Ahhh.... gotcha. Sometime people who break down do this. Thanks 😊

[@derjoh1986]

I guess you are new to this type of hobby. Yes?

[@abdulrahmanshariff351]

Are you able to get 127 with 6s battery?

[@InnovationRC]

This 8s setup was (very) mild. I did 127 on 4s before. I wasn't trying to go the fastest I could possibly go for the tires sake. Unfortunately 127 still took a tire out.

[@lowridr2]

Can you do a video on switching the connectors im running 8s 2028 castle on my xmaxx woth xt90 and wondering if i went with larger connectors will that give a little more kick

[@angelteamnolimit624]

Yes bigger connector more amp will go threw giving you more power 8mm is the way to go Brandon will even tell you

[@racingrivals8934]

Yes of course

[@camrowdrone6497]

No fan on the motor,is it not needed ? 👍🏻

[@InnovationRC]

Not needed for one pass. Also wanted to see the bare temp after a semi-high speed run.

[@Rcghostnrk]

Good pass Brando I still run my xo1 motor the first version and 140 mph is easy capable gearing 34 pinion 27 spool with that motor should get 140 to 150 plus easy

[@InnovationRC]

Awesome, yeah the v1 are hard to come by nowadays. This run had massive voltage sag, plus connectors hindering it. I am building something to make a new pb.

[@Rcghostnrk]

Innovation RC let show the people the xo1 motor is the best get 140 or 150 160 mph speed out of the motor

[@derjoh1986]

I would definitely like to see that. 🤨

[@Rcghostnrk]

@@derjoh1986 it coming soon 140 plus mph with xo1 motor maybe 150 mph or 160

[@Rcghostnrk]

@Red Coat RC Racing yes

[@thornmatthew8395]

These tire manufacturers need to get their shit together.

[@tropicthunderbolt]

Is that a mmxlx2 esc

[@InnovationRC]

Mmx8s

[@jasperracingmotorsports7232]

Hey man I’m having an issue if anyone can help highly appreciate it I have this same set up but my motors in the original spot meaning turns opposite direction meaning my forward control is actually reverse it’s slower I’ve tried everything what am I missing thank you in advance

[@RilatinePopper]

Hi bud, you need to reverse the outer motor wires which go into the esc. So let the middle wire stay plugged in and switch the outer ones. Good luck~

[@jasperracingmotorsports7232]

@@RilatinePopper ya tried that didn’t work I had to go in and switch motor direction in esc settings thanks for reply though

[@RilatinePopper]

@@jasperracingmotorsports7232 that works too. Strange that it didnt reverse the direction without the settings. Glad it worked for you! Have fun

[@CR5rc]

You can't just swap wires with a sensored setup. You need to go into the ESC programming and reverse it there.

[@lorenzfriedmann2829]

127? Miles? Or what

[@derjoh1986]

That's why I don't trust those gsp velocities anymore!! They supposed to be geared for high-speed runs like that!! What a joke!!!

[@KaizerTest]

I had GRP's come unglued on me too. I run Hoons now and BSR foams.

[@adamniven]

Think you forgot your flip flops

[@toysforboysrc]

How come data log tells me my 1717 is running @ 75kRPM on 6s and 89kRPM on 8s??? Gearing 21T 46spur/stock diff. AM I UNDER GEARED??

[@1etergen]

800kv is the only big block.

[@tropicthunderbolt]

Lol. Hahaaa. He said. O crap..i heard sirens. Thought he got pulled over ... SHIIIIIT.

[@lilamaduk6402]

U

[@ballatician06]

Stand back a little 😅

[@pacopakito4576]

it cogs it sucks