8th edition Codex Astra Militarum; review

[@SorcererDave]

I never would have thought my Guard would become a guilty pleasure. But that is the magic of 8th edition, it seems. :D

[@SorcererDave]

Knight Commander Pask, in a Punisher, firing 40 shots that hit on 2+. Ban this sick filth.

[@newtpondskipper]

SorcererDave Makes you feel like a craftworld eldar from last edition?

[@SorcererDave]

I dunno really. Thinking about it from a guard player's perspective, these buffs are nice, but the stuff that would beat us before will still beat us now. Harassing our tanks with melee charges, our guardsmen are still toughness 3 with a 5+ save and armed with flashlights, so a squad of bikers with twin bolters will just delete them if caught in the open. Guard are strong now, no doubt, but far from unbeatable. In fact come to think of it I've lost more games with Guard in 8th edition than I've won so far, and I don't feel like these buffs would have changed the outcome of those games. The Pask example I posted is hilarious, but ultimately Pask was a bullet magnet anyway - it's rare for him to survive past turn two. He'll just become an even bigger target now.

[@SorcererDave]

Guard play exactly how they should now IMO. Infantry are fodder, tanks are boss. If you really want to counter them to the maximum, play Raven Guard, and suddenly everything has to roll a 5+ to hit you. A tactical squad can delete an entire guardsmen squad in one round of shooting, whereas even with first rank, second rank, the same guardsmen squad will on average kill only 1-2 marines. Why spend points on a marine profile? Toughness 4, BS 3+, 3+ save. Survivability counts for more than you'd think. Not to mention everyone gets a bolter. In spite of all these buffs, the infamous flashlight remains as weak as ever. I play both Marines and Guard (Salamanders and Space Wolves, to be exact) and at the moment I feel like both are on par with one another, taking an average list from both. I don't care about spammy ultra competitive tournament lists because I don't go to tournaments, and playing that kind of list at my local store will quickly find you without opponents. If Guard steamroll tournaments now because they're so OP, according to you, then fine. I truly don't care, because that's not the kind of 40k I'm even playing.

[@SorcererDave]

Ah, it's snobbery then. You must be such a joy to play with in person. Maybe one day you people will understand that the codexes are written for more people than just you.

[@intense_pickle]

the c in scions is silent winters...

[@brutalchicken]

Grinding Advance only applies in the shooting phase, not in Overwatch. So no firing Punishers twice for Overwatch.

[@garthantash]

You will want to reread the Armageddon order. It expressly forbids what you say it does.

[@garthantash]

The Armageddon doctrine only changes the range at which they double tap, 18" instead of 12".

[@garthantash]

Grinding Advance only applies to Shooting phase, it doesn't affect overwatch.

[@EkkoFoxtrot]

Yep. You can't jump out, shoot, jump in same turn. You jump out, shoot, then next run shoot again, reembark. It lets you shoot every turn, even on turns you reembark. It does not let you disembark and reembark on the same turn.

[@zurran00]

it says "UNLESS it disembarked this turn"

[@16psyco]

agreed

[@ryanbenfield2708]

Awsome review winters, you're always very clear and show ALOT of stuff :)!

[@ivandejanovic4963]

Thanks for the review Winters. Looking forward to see what goodies are inside.

[@ShahbazBokhari]

I was on a date and watched your last bat-rep on low volume in the dead of night. Glad you uploaded this time while I'm trying to sleep alone. God dammit Winters.

[@tadcoder2848]

You are such a stud.

[@humanhaggis]

Couple of pretty big things missed/left out: -Conscripts are 20-30 instead of 20-50 -Armageddon doctrine increases rapid fire range to 18 INSTEAD of what it normally is, so you don't get any extra shots -Vengeance For Cadia only works against units with the Chaos keyword -Laurels of Command issues a second order TO THE SAME UNIT on a 4+. This is the only way to issue two orders to a single unit.

[@nassirahmad4873]

I am really looking forward to getting my hands on this book. VENGEANCE FOR CADIA!

[@rick_the_framer]

good objective reporting Winters, many thanks for another good review.

[@SnakeEyesGaming]

Wow can't wait to get my hands on this, I'm glad they put the Tempestus in the same book it make things easier. Lots and lots of options and rules though which is great. Cheers Winters.

[@natehammer]

Massive buff to the lemon tanks :) looking forward to getting my hands on the codex it's going to be difficult deciding on which regiment rules to use for my Albion rifles

[@SWIFTO_SCYTHE]

FLUFFY AND CRUNCHY the rules match the regiment story. i approve 100%

[@purdiusprime9792]

Awesome overview. You sir, are a credit to our society.

[@bearded_death_machine3592]

Great overview, Winters. Thanks for sharing.

[@Moredakkamus]

WTF we couldn't get a new cover? Good review btw!

[@jimwhite2541]

Thank you for the overview.

[@Wahlhund]

This sounds soooo great! I hope they update the Death Korps Rules as well someday

[@Katalmach11b]

I've been a die hard Cadian player for almost 13 years. I never thought I would be excited to try a new regiment, but now I'm very curious about how mobile the Tallarn might be, or how efficient at holding objectives and repelling charges the Mordions could be. Lots and lots of options to spice up my most favorite army! Can't wait to start building up the force again

[@paintalist4391]

35:26 On the top right side there is the plasma column (two entries, one for overcharge). Next to it I only see a single digit. Shaped like a 7. So I assume normal plasmaguns for infantery stay at 7 points :)

[@mateuszkuzio4736]

For bs4+ infantry stay at 7 points. For vets and scions its 13 points :P

[@tiny_worlds]

Conscript squads can't be combined with the stratagem. It specifies "Infantry Squad" which are a specific squad (i.e. 10 guys with special, heavy and sergeant options).

[@stigofthedump181]

thanks very much for the review / overview. Looks like ill be picking this up.

[@ccrraazzyyman]

27:18 The Strategm specifically states Infantry Squads are the eligible target of the order, not Conscript squads.

[@311pique]

if you don't play with super heavys, I think it's gonna be so much fun facing the guard! I'm so happy for my friend and second-most regular opponent. My Ultramarines have to use up all their resources to defeat his cadians now

[@sephiom]

Brilliant winters. Thanks for that fella.

[@RenegadePaladin]

Consolidate Squads doesn't work on conscripts. It specifically says Infantry Squads, as in the troops choice by that name, nothing else.

[@paintalist4391]

12:50 LOOOOOOL Crusaders are in the guard book :D

[@alexsp7086]

They should show more of the regiments and what colors they are :). Have you seen the 4th edition the different color schemes they put in there. That was brilliant.

[@lockepersonal]

I just finished reading Chickenhawk by Bob Mason, a book about a helicopter pilot in Vietnam. Now I want to use Catachans in Valkyries.

[@MrDeman40]

Not sure what to think after I have pretty much painted my whole army in a ground-based Harakoni Warhawks scheme . The selected Guard units, like Vahallan, Cadian etc have benefits, but as far as generic guard , not sure how to go about it . Great review

[@Mikey__R]

The Crusader profile might be useful for running Beastmen. +1 WS and A, and the special rules also work for a fanatical Abhuman crazed for absolution.

[@GreaPal]

why no rough riders in the codex ?? will there be a extra book later?? or it is rumored anything like it ?

[@Bonk1010]

you dont need multiple regiments for commanders you just need multiple commanders for multiple command squads just as with the MT since the FAQ :) Nice review tho

[@Suv62]

Praise the Emperor! Finally we gonna be rewarded for sticking with Imperial Guard for all those years.

[@RynaCrash]

Could you make a Tempestus specific army and take a vehicle and assign it the Militarum Tempestus regiment keyword, to gain the Storm Trooper rule?

[@ReachForTheSky]

Do Baneblade variants like the Shadowsword and Stormlord with the big blocky gun housing have rotating turrets, or is it just a fixed casemate?

[@AM_RUS]

Yes!!!! Finally!!! Thank you!!!

[@BeakerDubs]

Winters you are awesome.

[@solidcold9491]

Man im so hyped. I got my wish, they didnt mess up entries for primaris psyker, techpriest, and ministorum priests. Now for the dream; plastic steel legion.

[@watcherzero5256]

Knight Commander Pask warlord trait looks a bit weak, a potential extra tank order when he could already do two and hes lost the ability to order Characters (Tank Commanders), its only really useful if your fielding half a dozen Leman Russ but then staying within 6" of each other is already a pain with 2 or 3 Leman Russ. I love Cadian overall but I will be seeking out a new Warlord, perhaps my Tempestor Prime for the deny the witch or I might have to invest in a Creed.

[@alanoreilly1747]

The command squads rule was definitely mis-read just read it fully there its one commander per command squad it says in that detachment meaning you cant have the commander in one detachment and the command squad in another not limited to 1 per detachment

[@leont66wargaming31]

Great review, wow Guard just got a bit good, by the way, what battle mat is that? I'ts one ive been after for a while. Is it mouse mat?

[@TB-ps6wc]

Dangggggg! DANGGGGGGG! What else can you say but danggggg! They seem powerful. But speaking of powerful I'm looking forward to your eldar review.... I'm sure you'll enjoy it. Haha

[@PresidentoftheManosquare]

I bought one today but turns out it's the old one? I was going through it forever going where is this where is that... Time to go back to the store.

[@laxhammer]

Armageddon Units only rapid fire at 18" rather than double rapid fire. And they embark after they shoot rather than disembark and embark in the same turn.

[@samjsnz]

It’s a poorly written rule they needed to cut to the chase sooner. ...rapid fire weapons double the amount of shots at 18” instead of the normal half range

[@SRenshaw]

Have they gotten rid of the Infantry Platoon like there was in 7th? I'm hoping it's still there.

[@grimdoctorgaming]

@wintersseo what's the codex narrative/fluff like? I'd be relatively new in this respect.

[@kylegulliver2000]

Did the math. A shadowsword is less points than morty, and can kill him on the first turn of shooting. 3d3 on average will get you 6 shots on average, three generally will hit, usually all will wound. One or two 4+ invulv saves on morty, if two go through that's 4d6 damage. One is 2d6. On just the main gun. That's not even the lascannons. You can take three in a 2000 point list and still have ~700~ points for guardsmen. Now go Tallarn and use ambush on them.

[@mrherbalistt1019]

6 shots, 3 hits, 2.5 wounds x3.5 av. dmg= 8.75 wounds, disgustingly resilient rolls of a 5+ drops that to less than 6 wounds. So you will need 3 rounds of shooting.

[@seraphtc]

@Mr Herbalist - and that's before you take into account the deathshroud bodyguard he no doubt has hanging around.

[@SkonkBot]

Overwatch require a roll of a 6, or a roll of a 5 or 6 with the strat (note it doesn't say 5+ or 6+) - so would the +1 when firing overwatch cause dice rolls of a 6 to become a fail? (since 7 is not one of the values overwatch considers a hit)

[@scottcairns2933]

the text says "you CAN add one to the hit roll" emphasis on "can." so if you roll a 4 you choose to add one to make it a 5 and it hits. If you roll a 6 you simply choose not to add one to the hit roll. If the rule simply stated "add one to hit rolls" then you would have the problem you describe.

[@LALUMIAJ]

the overwatch rule states that no modifiers are applied to the roll so it will be on a 5 or better since it cannot be modified

[@scottcairns2933]

LALUMIAJ specific trumps general, the strategem specifically states you can modify the overwatch roll

[@LALUMIAJ]

the stratagem alters the base rule it still cannot be modified with a plus or minus to the roll from another source.

[@ONI09100]

you read the Armageddon one wrong it doesn't double the shots you double the shots at 18" rather then 12" that their rapid fire weapons normally do. so you only get 2 shots with lasguns or 4 with second rank fire. also you cant jump out then back in in the same turn.

[@intense_pickle]

not to spam the comments section...but i also found a very effective tactic that can deal with this sort of firepower. if you play marines, make sure all your units are in transports with smoke launchers...pop smoke on turn 1 (if you're going first) and AM are hitting you on 6s...marines are hitting you on 5s...and orks can't shoot at you at all!

[@olehinn3168]

intense_pickle Smoke only makes -1 to hit, not -2 to hit. So unless you played that mission where everything outside of 18 is -1 to hit, or you messed up your chapter tactis and gave the ravenguard trait to your tanks, I dont know how you got a -2. O_o

[@Gwaeddwynn]

27:10 They say you can merge infantry squads as in the troop choice infantry squad... you cannot merge other infantry... as e.g. conscripts or ogryns...

[@Spacefrisian]

9:00 i hear the music of the apoclypse being able to do so as well, Noisemarines.

[@ZatoichiBlindSword]

Hard to tell at 35:25 but were those plasma guns 12 or 13 pts?

[@ThePunisher_88]

Plasma guns are 13 points if your BS is 3+ they are 7 points if you are 4+

[@Mikey__R]

I've just bought my fourth Leman Russ!

[@michaelparsonage5889]

I'm on my 6th lol. 2 d6 for most super heavies though :)

[@25angel20]

Dang it! think you just made picking a regiment much harder >.

[@Shadowbow1000]

Where do i go to find out which are the next 5 codexes??

[@WilliamFlaetcher]

I have some questions At the moment i build a Tempestus Army. Are Tempestus Scions default troops? And can they have 4 special weapons too at 10 men Squads?

[@WilliamFlaetcher]

Yeah. But you can only have MT Keywords guys or u loose your bonuses.... 15 Points for a Plasma Gun...that means 1 command unit costs 100 Points.

[@werthherth4886]

Does vets again get in that codex carapace armor for +4 save?

[@Antigod91]

I noticed that this beatiful cat lies in the same point in every single video of this Dude ahahah 😂

[@Lord_Jamesinatre]

Damn with Stratagems and rules like these, it's no wonder that the planet broke before the guard!

[@janbos2163]

I f*cking love u for this

[@Gingerninja800]

does this have the same cover art as the 7th edition book? Think i may have just bought the wrong one :\

[@AlexBrown-mk1qo]

I'm surprised G-dubs gave him this after that ad mech review...

[@Jetcom10]

true, as its because of him i didn't buy that codex.

[@rasleighgaw2522]

Probably because he tells it as he sees it and doesn't kiss ass.

[@raptorjesues1445]

this doesnt makes any sense

[@Aerakade]

I appreciate an honest review.

[@andrewcharlton6080]

Aerakade. It wasn't really an honest review though. The Admech Codex is great but Winters isn't the best player and doesn't always see the combos and strength in things, he's naturally a narrative player. Check on Tabletop Tactics, Lawrence is a very good player who has quite a few major tournament wins under his belt. He seriously rates the Admech Codex

[@marq0992]

Could anyone please tell me if he said that the wyvern dropped in pts by 10?

[@Carmethion]

Maybe I'm just not familiar with the AM, but if Commissar Yarrick gets the ability to issue orders as your warlord, who can he issue orders to if he doesn't have a regiment?

[@mitchverr9330]

Other commissars.

[@snarf4058]

20:15 sad cat face :( ...does he not like the Guard?!

[@jcrosato]

If you make a Tempestus list, their Doctrine isn't as bad as you say. +1 shot and 6's at half range is still pretty good. Deepstrike a command squad of 4 Scions, 4 plasmaguns shooting 3 shots each. + an average of 2 extra shots from 6's. Thats 12 - to average 14 plasma shots, most likely overcharged cause they'll die the next turn.

[@jcrosato]

Nvm, I misread that, just extra shot on 6s..

[@assembly_language3948]

is the 50 conscript and commissar combo still going to be a problem or did they fix it?

[@garthantash]

Assembly_Language max 30 conscripts now.

[@marcellogenovese199]

Which doesn't fix it lmao, now you will just see 2x30 man units doing that same bullshit. Anyone remember when 8th leaked and GW said moral was going to be punishing? I am still laughing about that one...

[@arachnofiend2859]

It is punishing, just only for MEQ armies.

[@manicdemise]

Also must roll a 4+ for orders on conscripts, the problem isn't conscripts in guard armies, it's conscripts in non guard army, so not really a big help.

[@timothyschriefer2822]

You can go in blobs of 30. Makes it harder because due to positioning they may be able to take same number of commissars but they'll need more officers to order. Also more squads means more forced blamming.

[@MrFukushim]

To people saying new Guard is OP - remember they have close to no invulnerable saves so all those Leman Russes will still easily drop to lascannons, brutto lasers and anything high S high D. Not to mention mortal wounds from smite and the like.

[@newtpondskipper]

mnotu Add to this the fact that we haven't seen the new Codex for the rest of the armies. Balance will come.

[@dezertir10]

Does anybody knows, what is the price for plasmagun for Tempestus scions?

[@wintersSEO]

+Andrey Tikhomirov. 13 points

[@dezertir10]

Thanks!

[@McBurnside6380]

Are commissars the same?

[@rebelkommando6166]

MMMMM SO EXCITED GIMMIE THE CODEX GW PLS

[@XHobbiesPrime]

Valhallans look strong to me. Valhallan Warlord with the Deathmask of Ollanious gets a 4+ invuln and then with the Valahallan warlord trait pretty much has 5+ fnp. Annoying to kill.

[@legin3231]

sorry bruh but you are missing key points of these changes. 9:20 if you have disembarked in the prior movement you cannot hop back in. cant jump out, shoot then order to get back in. 19:50 the catachan +1Str and +1Ld part of rule only applies if you are 6" of an officer. 24:23- Strategem only applies when shooting' Chaos' . you literally just stopped reading it and make up the ending.there is more stuff but I'm lazy. anyways, its nice to see the new book, good on ya for makin the video regardless but gotta be careful.

[@HBK7239]

Music of The Apocalypse 😂

[@DarkCT]

theres a fair few misreads going on here winters. I particularly caught it with the mixing up the Infantry keyword and the infantry squads unit. anyone watching this, read what winters is looking at. personally, any hardcore MT or MT prospective players a bit annoyed here? the order seems solid enough if striking down key targets with a truely suicidal squad action, but the warlord trait, and stratagems are leaving me ice cold here. yeah, MT already do well- didn't stop every other army already doing well thusfar from getting something more potent, and most of the new tricks in the IG can't apply to a regiment Tempestus unless i missed something.

[@zurran00]

no , you still get access to the new stratagems that are frankly op as f**k with deepstriking melta/plasma units

[@DarkCT]

I suppose you may be right- the MT strategem may not feel like much but their is mindgame potential in it, and i wasn't able to get a good look at the generic strategem's that may still apply to tempestus here. that said, considering some of the changes to non-tempestus guard models (Grinding advance being a big one) dedicated tempestus doesn't have as much new to whoop about. guess im on standby for a bit with this one, because i was heading that way over other options before the dex- though for non-tempestus guard, have a freaking ball with it! any particular strategems i missed that apply to tempestus?

[@ONI09100]

it was to be expected they were the big focus in 7th tho if they made them good in 8th they would be really easy to exploit.

[@Tupinamba77]

Now that looked like super heavy GW power creep. Stuff got massively better and still cheaper? The index had to be very weak before for all these changes not to imbalance the faction.

[@joekerr-delworth6269]

I had to pause and shout "WHAT?!?" WOW" the moment you said shadowswords and hellhammers etc came down by 40 points!!!!

[@Greiverthelion]

no Death Korps of Krieg :(

[@SorcererDave]

They're Forgeworld now, so you'll have to wait for them to release something for Death Korps.

[@newtpondskipper]

The index is okay with only the Death Riders being really cool. Their orders are not as good. They can field chimera with autocannon which is a nice addition.

[@olehinn3168]

Krieg hav always been in the forge world books. ;D

[@TheAnon26]

newtpondskipper Um.... everyone can get the autocannon chimera...

[@newtpondskipper]

TheAnon26 Death Korps couldn't buy chimera at all until now. That's kinda big.

[@UberMenschNowFilms]

Where's my plastic ASL, GW? Where is it?

[@markrik1]

ARE MY MANTICORES STILL INTACT? :s

[@ahmedjaafar7500]

That Tallarn Stratagem... :D:D:D:D:D:D

[@olehinn3168]

Twoshoes23 only a tacktical genius could..... CREEEEED!!!!!!!!!!

[@drunkenboxer123456]

There isnt much to counter those drop troops except other drop troops. At this point my CSM list by next year is 4 daemon princes with EC Obliterators dropping in and alpha legion cultists running around in rhinos with middle fingers in the air while they sit on objectives. AM is not only army that can go "OP"

[@newtpondskipper]

So happy to be a guard player.

[@kurukblackflame]

NO ROUGH RIDERS?!!!!!! THIS WILL NOT STAND!!! >:O They'll be getting rid of the squat next. What's that?THEY DID WHAT?!!! Other stuff sounds pretty powerful (maybe a bit too good?). Will have to see what the other codex's are like I suppose. Now let the whining of the Tau and Eldar players from 7th ed begin! ;P

[@chaz32]

Damn, that nerf to scions... looks like I'll have to run two detachments if I want the two command squads full of plasma guns :(

[@mateuszkuzio4736]

Nope, Winters misunderstood rules. 1 command squad for each tempestor prime. You can even put them into cadia detachment as long as there is more cadian units than tempestus (but no regimental doctrine for tempestus then, so its better to stick with tempestus detachment, as doctrine buffs plasma guns a lot). But GW changed cost of plasma guns for scions and other 3+bs units (now its 13 i think).

[@chaz32]

ah jeez, whaddya reckon then stick with the index list for the alpha strike tempestus thing?

[@mateuszkuzio4736]

www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/05/codexes-your-questions-answered-july-5gw-homepage-post-2/ "Can I combine units from the index and a codex into one army? The datasheets in the new codexes overwrite the same datasheets in the index books. You can certainly use units with updated datasheets alongside units from the index that have yet to be updated. Once a unit has been covered in the codex though, we assume you’re using the latest version."

[@mateuszkuzio4736]

Tempestus Battalion prepared for plasma air drop cost 712 points. 2 Tempestor Prime with plasma pistols, 3x10scions with 4 plasma each and 1 plasma pistol, 2x4command squad scions with plasma each. Thats a lot points for a lot of dakka. U reroll 1 to hit, reroll wounds on monsters and vehicles and get extra shots on 6 to hit. Or you can use small plasma air drop in for example CADIAN brigade (tempestor prime with plasma pistol, 10 scions with 4 plasma guns and 1 plasma pistol and 4 command scions with 4 plasma guns) for ONLY 270 points.

[@chaz32]

nice man thanks for the pointers, I've been throwing similar lists around myself but this codex has kinda thrown everything up in the air.

[@desroin]

I honestly have no clue what Crusaders are doing in there... but I guess it doesn't matter all that much ^^'

[@migmig42]

If i read the blurry text currant they are getting the Astra Millitarium keyword, so they are now the elite cc unit for the guard, i am happy for this as i like the unit and now they can ride in my chimeras.

[@desroin]

If they can ride Chimeras I'm all in, have 4 of them buggers for my inquisition (originally)

[@Buhlmanzky]

So.....best doctrine ? I feel like the cadia one is to weak,while the Catachan one is way to strong,and the Valhallan one seems nearly useless (because of Commisars),at least i think so.

[@danielavalsangiacomo6691]

Valhallans Are the real winners here. Our russes fire at full BS till they have 3 wounds remaining, 155 pnts for a commissair sucks, just get more stuff. O so you charged our front line? Who cares, shoot into that combat, kill our own dudes, then counter charge, who cares? cause we can simply send in the next wave. So a blob of 20 guardsmen lost 12 dudes hu? Well no big deal cause Valhallan ice warriors! Good luck rooting us out of ur deployment zone, each turn we can potentially re spawn a full infantry unit. I think about 20 men infantry squads, would be wasted on conscripts, actually conscripts are kinda . . . Useless for what I think about doing. No commissars, no conscripts, valhalla has enough bodies already, send in them hitting on 4 las firing lines, charge every turn, you can potentially respawn a full unit of 20 guardsmen a turn . . . No fancy las doctrine but endless bodies.

[@janbos2163]

U forgot one thing about te super heavy tanks... Wees they attack in combat there steal tracks hit on 2's not 5's :)

[@TheAnon26]

Jan Bos Only if you use the stratagem, which also works on any other vehicles.

[@justinius2170]

They (GW) totally ignored the new timeline with these characters.... they would be long dead

[@ajtame]

I'm glad I don't play in tournaments, guard is OP AF

[@JasonWolfeYT]

So scions are nerfed? Sounds like it is 13 points for a plasma gun for a 3+ BS model. I have two sprues of scions and I am not sure what to do with them.

[@scholae8746]

Jason Wolfe 13 points on an amazing deep strike unit that is still pretty cheap is damn good still. Space marines pay the same. I personally highly approve becuase I played a full tempestus list and destroyed the salamander army by turn three.

[@manicdemise]

Feel free to post them to me, cheers.

[@JasonWolfeYT]

Yeah, I will still run them. This is what I was thinking. If the nerf goes through then my list lost 1 scion troop squad and 5 plasma shots. Sucks, but I still think my list is competitive. Astra Battalion 2x tempestor 2x plasma command team 1x plasma scion troop 2x conscripts 1x commisar Cawl Mars Battalion Cawl + enginseer 1x6 all phosphor robots 2x1 onagers neutron/icarus 3x5 skitarii foot troops

[@Svejir]

Scions are in a really good place right now. In a Patrol Detachment, you can get a Tempestor Prime, Command Squad with Quad Melta or plasma, a Scion squad with double Plasma that's under 500. Or go ham, take a Van detachment, double down on Tempestor Primes, two Command Squads and either a Commissar or Officer of the Fleet for cheap Mortal Wounds. They get their own regiment bonus, order/regiment orders, and can provide CP to your pool. They complement other Regiments fairly well in the point and click dedicated Anti-Monster Tank role. For everything else there's Tallarn Stormlords loaded with Conscripts, Bullgryn, and Commissars or Catachan TC with LRBT and Wyverns. Those are my top picks. Gonna have them with my AdMech. Have Thallax to use as my Bullgryn. Grand Strategist will be my WT of choice. Along with the Relic that can grant CP? AdMech and Guard gonna be hella fun. Though just plain Guard is scary on its own.

[@djoucla9734]

Is it me or does the buffs and synergy seem OP? Like taking a Cadian warlord trait with the order relic to bounce extra orders around. I would also like to know how the Mordian warlord trait and relic pistol work, does it effectively give you fearless on a 4+?

[@FieldMarshalFry]

outflank Leman Russes? that would take some kind of tactical geni-CREEEEEEEE wait, ain't he dead?

[@TheAnon26]

Field Marshal Fry Nope, just... inconvenienced. Kell is dead though.

[@fullsalvo2483]

Vengeance for cadia only works against chaos. You might wanna be a little more thorough. 40k people watched this brother. Side note: 40k people watched this 40k codex review.

[@zurran00]

is yarrik still the only aura hq?

[@25angel20]

3 Leman Russ Punishers into single squadron xD better to prepare bucket of dices of 120.

[@mateuszkuzio4736]

You squad tanks for army building only, on battlefield they are independent models and require separate orders and stratagems.

[@25angel20]

didn't speak of orders or stratagems, but if moving these tanks together to keep 3 inch for that buddy shooting. Is still loads of shooting done

[@MrSigmatico]

A minus 20 point reduction would in fact be a 20 point increase, double negative please take note.

[@Naraithlos]

im wondering if winters was only tought how to read half a paragraph at school.. hes got the armageddon rule half correct. and also vengeance for cadia.. read everything right up to the part which states against chaos units only.. sloppy work indeed