8x10" Pinhole Photography - Large Format Friday

[@RichardStroffolino]

Oh I've always wondered about trying flash with pinhole. Wow, lots of fun possibilities!

[@redruth-iq8uo]

I take indoor shots with my 8 x 10 pinhole using direct positive paper. Exposure time around 9 hours. Sometimes I start the exposure when I go to bed so the camera will start the exposure at first light. Worth the effort but just remember to take the lens cap off.😃😃😃

[@Brackcycle]

I find the pinhole approach really opens up my creativity and when I return to lensed large format I approach it slightly differently. Barrel lenses and long exposures seem easy after 3 or 5 minute pinhole shots. There is something so wonderful about working within those limits and getting a cool result!

[@MatMarrash]

Thanks Peter, I'm right there with you. The limits enhance the experience and there's so many different ways to impose new limits to the large format process.

[@lrrowley]

Watching this again a year later. Those shots of trees are great! The ones with the flash you did at the end are pretty cool too

[@MatMarrash]

Wow, just checking this out again and amazed to see folks interested in LF pinhole!

[@ImperfectPhotography]

Really great. I need to scale up my pinhole photography to large format!

[@MatMarrash]

Pinhole large format is great way to dip your toe into LF without going nuts on the rest of the kit that's normally needed. Plus, you get to make bigger contact prints!

[@WillGudgeon]

Wonderful set if images, would love to try 8x10 pinhole sometime

[@MatMarrash]

Thanks Will! The least intimidating way to try 8x10 and ULF is with pinhole!

[@cuevasjohnson]

Awesome video! I love the attention to details and your knowledge of detail information provided for the use of the camera as well as metering and developing. Fantastic!

[@mamiyapress]

WOW, what a great camera and a very enjoyable video, now where is my 5X4 pinhole camera.

[@MatMarrash]

Thanks! Making this video gave me a whole new appreciation for pinhole. Definitely going to have more results before the next Worldwide Pinhole Photography Day!

[@RalphWLundvall]

Why not use the dark slide itself as the shutter and skip the gaffers tape? Good tripod for stability and take care and be smooth.

[@MatMarrash]

Thanks Ralph! I guess having some sort of "lens cap" is force of habit. And I think for any of the exposures made in the video, darkslide only would have been fine. Not sure if I'll ever skip the gaffer tape. ;)

[@Narsuitus]

I made a single-shot 8x10 inch wide-angle pinhole camera that is very similar to the one you described made by Bob Graichen. However, I made mine out of foam core board and it was not as elegant as the one made by Bob. Mine had the following specifications: 127mmm pinhole to film plane distance .016mm pinhole diameter f/362 f-stop no filter no bubble levelers no optical viewer does not use a sheet film holder; instead, I use double-sided tape to attach the sheet film to the camera back

[@MatMarrash]

Thanks for the comment! Bob made a few more cameras that were a little more rough in appearance, many of them one-shot where the film/paper was taped into the camera. Still have to try one like that. I like the sound of an even lighter-weight foam core camera!

[@bloodswarms]

Wow man, this is great. Glad I found this. Liked and subscribed. Very cool channel!

[@MatMarrash]

Thanks for the sub and welcome to LFF!

[@quimby5150]

Would have liked to see a comparsion with the paint can camera

[@MatMarrash]

At the time of writing both pinholes have been given away on the channel. That being said, the 8x10 box blows the paint can out of the water!

[@someguyontheinternet-]

Your hair is like Jimmy Neutron's. Awesome.

[@Dwarvenchef]

I love pinhole photography, I currently have one each 35 pano, 120 6x9, and a 4x5.

[@MatMarrash]

Pinhole in LF is so liberating and the results are pretty neat!

[@67jmadison]

Awesome video, Mat! Your results were so much better than my (limited) previous experience!

[@MatMarrash]

I'm going to give all the credit here to Bob for making an incredible camera. You should definitely give pinhole another go, it's a relieving experience from the usual hurdles of large format.

[@flipflopsleica]

Great video and images Mat. I use the Pinhole Assist app with my Reality SoSubtle 6x17 pinhole. The app is a full-service app, e.g. built-in compensation for filters, reciprocity failure for numerous film, ... Thanks or sharing. It’s not TGIF now without LFF. Stuart

[@MatMarrash]

Thanks Stuart! I'm hearing lots of good things about the RSS 6x17 pinhole cameras, and if I do end up buying one I may have to review it as well.

[@key2adventure959]

That was really cool. I like your attempt on flash photography, that must be pursued further. I would have liked to see more of the paint tin camera, and seen it in use.

[@MatMarrash]

I've got some great news for you, there's an entire episode dedicated to it! kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZKkXopnjLOjlZY

[@terrywbreedlove]

Haven’t shot pinhole in years. Today my new 100 sheets of 8x10 ilford glossy fiber paper came in. I ran out two weeks ago and I have a bunch of paper from other brands given to my so tried them. Wow I can’t stand those papers. I really really like ilford glossy fiber so much nothing else works for me. So I am happy to get my new paper. Guess what I will be doing this weekend :)

[@MatMarrash]

Thanks Terry, you should give pinhole another go, maybe through some of that good FB glossy in there. Also totally agree on how good and consistent the Ilford MG FB papers are. Glossy finish all the way!

[@laurentbaig6059]

“Im not that jazzed about this camera, because well...it’s a paint can” omg, i cant stop laughing

[@MatMarrash]

Thanks! I actually ended up doing an episode on the paint can, you can check it out here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZKkXopnjLOjlZY

[@jiml989]

Loved it. Would have also loved to see what the 360 panorama camera (paint can) could produce.

[@MatMarrash]

If only he made an 10" panoramic camera so I could use a slice of that aerial film!

[@artstudionagoya9605]

Great video! I really enjoy your videos, I have a suggestion: why don you try to take a Picture of something that starts very very close to the lens and goes all the way far, so you can see what is the distance where it is sharper. Like a branch of a tree. I have the feeling that the sharpest area of pinhole cameras are very close to the camera. But I don’t know. Thank you.

[@MatMarrash]

Thanks for the comment and suggestion! Looking through the scans, I'm beginning to suspect the same. It appears subjects < 2m from the pinhole have a bit more "sharpness" than those further off in the distance. I also think placement from the center of the opening has an impact.

[@GenerationAI2024]

Nice vid, thank you for sharing. What about the other camera? Looked very interesting :)

[@GregorShapiro]

The shaking of the tripod (due to wind?) may have contributed to the softness of the images.

[@Headin_South]

That's a pretty straight camera, now crack out that paint can!!!

[@williamorford6966]

Looks like a well made and finished camera. Did the maker French Polish or varnish the wood? It shows they took great care in the making. If any viewers want a well made precision pinhole for homemade projects try Walker Cameras. He also makes pinhole cameras in Large Format. Great video Mat all ways enjoyable and informative..Just off to process my film from my Zero. I have posted this already but look and listen to The Lensless Podcast and on Facebook.

[@MatMarrash]

Thanks for the comment William! I believe the camera has a shellac applied to it and it has a very nice, smooth finish. Great recommendation with Walker cameras, they are super well made!

[@brianmccutcheon3205]

Amazing

[@davidletz9123]

Hey great video. Were you able to confirm the diameter of the pinhole on that 8x10 camera?

[@MatMarrash]

Hey David, never double-checked it against the camera maker's notes, but all the exposures metered at the stated f-stop were solid. This guy knew his stuff!

[@eltinjones4542]

It worked out fine 📷👍

[@richardstollar4291]

the 360' tin-can camera looked way more interesting to me - come on and let's see that one in action

[@RoastBeefSandwich]

Freestyle used to sell these pre-made, always wanted one.

[@dylangergutierrez]

Love the results from these shots! Have you ever considered darkroom printing these negs, maybe split grade printing? I know by the nature of the format they are low contrast, but it would be interesting to see what you can pull out of them!

[@MatMarrash]

I hadn't thought of doing any printing with these negatives, but if they print anything like they scan, they may not need to go through split grade exposure. A #3 or #4 filter would probably get them very close with a "straight print". Thanks!

[@guenin]

Cool video. The only time I ever shot pinhole was in jr high when we used oatmeal cans, tin foil, and photo paper. Obviously shooting photo paper in this camera wouldn't be enough of a challenge for you, so I won't suggest it.

[@MatMarrash]

Funny enough my first pinhole experience was with photo paper (years ago) and it almost turned me off of pinhole altogether. It was only once I found out about pre-flashing the paper that I started to have fun with it. Paper can be super challenging.

[@marcellus7016]

wow this is amazing what can be done without having fancy iphone camera, it looks like picture from 1800's

[@MatMarrash]

For sure! Pinhole is one of the more expressive forms of photography since the camera can be made out of anything you get light-proof!

[@Raychristofer]

Great job on this my man. Very thorough. I have many analog videos on my channel also but I've never tried LF

[@MatMarrash]

Thank you very much! You should definitely give LF a try, and let me know if you have any questions along the way.

[@Raychristofer]

@@MatMarrash one of my subscribers is sending me a Newton new view 5x4 with a Bausch and Lomb barrel lens for me to use with in camera cyanotypes. I've been using medium format and did a tutorial about it. I'll let you know if I need some help. Thanks

[@MatMarrash]

If you're starting fresh, checkout the playlist, there's nearly 6 months of content to help jumps-start the large format process. Good luck and have fun!

[@HeartagramTroll]

Yes, Ondu and Zero image make some too!! I wanted to get some of them-the cheapest way to get into LF. More videos would be helpful as there is limited information for LF pinhole photography.

[@toulcaz31]

Let’s not forget RealitySoSubtle that has a great 6x17 curved plane pinhole for instance.

[@HeartagramTroll]

@@toulcaz31 oh yes or other makers on ETSY.

[@MatMarrash]

I was surprised that there's not too many deep dives on pinhole. There's a reason I focused on only one pinhole camera this time around. ;)

[@HeartagramTroll]

@@MatMarrash especially for the large format. The Ondu large format include different pinhole locations to change the rise or pinhole location.

[@williamorford6966]

Take a look and listen to The Lensless Podcast. A excellent podcast and Facebook page with many pinhole users who will offer advice. While I’m on it try the same thing with the Large Format Podcast. This is where I heard about our Mat.

[@imuttoo]

Informative and entertaining! Have you learned anything more about the gentleman who made the camera? Thanks Mat!

[@MatMarrash]

Thanks Ian! I tried the phone number on the cameras, no such luck. Hoping I can find a little info on him since his homemade cameras are so interesting.

[@SteveKleinheider]

Interesting video Mat! I might just explore large format pinhole myself! So far I've only used Zero Image's 612F...which is capable of some really cool images too. Take care.

[@MatMarrash]

Thanks Steve, you should totally go for it! Pinhole is a good foil to over-thinking things like movements, lens selection, and precise focus.

[@ashtonwyss9757]

disappointed you didn't use the bucket!

[@regaling]

Awesome video, man! Love the Ektachrome shirt. Where can I get one?

[@MatMarrash]

This was one of the shirts Kodak licensed and sold directly through their site (I think also available on Amazon?).

[@erikepskamp1991]

Another great video Mat, love the shirt. Curious what do you think the curved surface of the paint can will produce, will it make the image more fisheye like? Thanks for the video and inspiration.

[@MatMarrash]

Thanks Erik! On the camera Bob describes it as an anamorphic type, so the end result will be a nearly 360 degree field of view with crazy distortions.

[@theoriginalbabycub]

@@MatMarrash Would love to see you have a go with this and see the results.

[@BeesWaxMinder]

As a kid we didn’t use film we just used paper to make the negative -would that still be a cheaper alternative..?

[@MatMarrash]

Paper negatives are a great way to have fun with pinhole. The slower speed of paper can make for some pretty long exposures, but adds to the challenge.

[@nickfanzo]

I may get a pinhole for contact prints. 🤔

[@MatMarrash]

Go for it Nicholas! They have a really nice look to them and that right hint of "sharpness".

[@kishascape]

I use a taxidermy cow ass as my pinhole camera. It's a great icebreaker and the aperture is adjustable >:3

[@BeesWaxMinder]

What was the Paint Can like?

[@MatMarrash]

Funny you should ask, here's the latest LFF where I use the paint can: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZKkXopnjLOjlZY

[@ambitionworldofficial]

Where can I get this big size photographic film ¹

[@MatMarrash]

There are lots of places that sell large format sheet film, but one of my favorites is the Film Photography Store: filmphotographystore.com

[@ambitionworldofficial]

@@MatMarrash Thankyou Brother, Another question please I have made a pinhole camera from matchbox. Seen a video on KZbin but I want to know that how much time I need to expose any object in front of this pinhole. I don't have light meter

[@MatMarrash]

@@ambitionworldofficial the web-based app linked above is good, as is the "Pinhole" app on Android and Apple.

[@zigatretjak75]

Nice but what happens with difraction ?

[@kollumthirteen]

Your hair is outta frame, to ways to fix that 😂 cool wood box pinhole that ol bob made 👌

[@olafwDE]

#TGILFF This gentleman has really put some well thought out work into that camera, thanks for sharing. A giant panoramic pinhole camera based on aerial roll film (~12 inches wide) is a DIY project I've been thinking of for quite a while now. Does anybody here have an idea where I could get some exposed, uncut rolls of this material, so that I could work with the coil dimensions?

[@MatMarrash]

Hey Olaf that sounds like an awesome project idea! If you're looking for exposed, uncut rolls of aerial film, your best bet might be an aerospace collector or former aerial photographer. Museums would definitely have them, but less willing to let you handle/borrow the film.

[@olafwDE]

@@MatMarrash Yes, collectors are hard to find, museums hard to convince. I'm going to make some phone calls with land surveying offices. Military units, where I've learned to handle the material, don't exist anymore, unfortunately I missed out on some opportunities when they started selling their analog stuff decades ago.

[@Ricky-nc2tt]

I feel like that was a big mistake ignoring the 360° pinhole "because it's a paint can".

[@MatMarrash]

There's a whole follow-up with the Paint Can!

[@BillMcCarroll]

I have totally fallen for pinhole photography. There’s just something so cool about not having sharp images, lol.

[@MatMarrash]

Thanks Bill! It's something I could see myself falling for with a little more practice. :)

[@frankhdh]

Yes, the result is not bad. But ... in my opinion, it's not important to make things sharp. The viewer automatically compares it to digital and thinks it is negative for this type of photography. It would be interesting to depict things that move slowly. Therefore I take photos on negative paper with 6 ASA and get long exposure times between 5 seconds and 20 minutes. Whereby the people have all disappeared during the very long times.

[@MatMarrash]

I could see how pinhole combined with a lower ISO material could yield dreamy results with things like a cloudy sky or moving water. Thanks for the comment!

[@frankhdh]

@@MatMarrash Clouds are a problem because you need short exposure time. After 30 Seconds all nice clouds look like boring winter..... grr.

[@Delphisteve]

The Hostilux

[@leonardolica5201]

Linus?

[@Ethan-vl3iw]

Jimmy neutron

[@MatMarrash]

Can't think of a finer compliment!

[@TheBkbass]

Ну я не знаю. Очень спорное занятие снимать на формат пинхолом. Ни чем не отличтмо от телефона. Портрет на большой формат выглядет круто, так ни чем не снять. Пинхол на БФ выглядет как фотка на телефон.

[@ometec]

get back to metol