9 thing you NEED TO KNOW before "upgrading" to TURNTABLES from a DJ CONTROLLER

[@priyonjoni]

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[@kippahthefrenchiewhippasni9689]

You just got a sub and like from me brother. Keep up the good work 👍🏼👏🏼

[@pashad8476]

First and the most important thing you need to know when you move from dj controller to the turntables is that you dont need to move from dj controller to the turntables

[@priyonjoni]

That’s right!

[@ItsWesSmithYo]

Gr8 run down, I learned on 1200’s so while the things missing totally make sense, the main one missing from all CDJs and most controllers, is any sense of a tactile spinning platter and as a result analog style mixing. This is what you get with the turntable and this can be the biggest factor in what you enjoy about mixing. Certainly is for me. Also gives you something to do (Mix) if your not feeling the button life. Anyway, that’s the thing you didn’t really hit on (you definitely highlight some issues) in terms of someone deciding why they might really enjoy turntables. Like all those anomalies can make mixing fun, cause you actually have something to do. Keep it poppin’ friend.

[@Deity32112]

Great video! you did forgot one point tho, Turntable users like myself will need to,eventually buy extra neddles plus keep cleaning them to keep the timecode signal clean! When i bought my turntables i had no clue what was waiting for me ..... then the smartest thing i did was to switch to Phase! For sure, turntables are so much fun and it feels much better than using CDJs! Great points overall! thanks for the video

[@valentingheorghe1693]

For me, at least, it is very easy to mix on both controllers and turntables, simply because I keep them in their native domain. If I choose to mix on controller I mix on digital domain and if I choose to mix on turntables I keep it all in analog domain. A turntable it is what it is, an analog and imperfect playback equipment, but the beauty of mixing on turntables comes from the simplicity of the mix. I don't have to do something fancy or complicated to keep the mix going. Just choose my tracks carefully, know them very well and do not "touch" them too much during the mix.

[@houstoner]

I was late to the vinyl game, but once you get used to it, it feels great. I do use a controller as a mixer as to keep some things like loops, hotcues, stems, etc. But I love the feel of having something moving to touch and turn when mixing tracks. A stagnant controller or CDJ wheel will never compare.

[@4842arendal]

This is what makes vinyl great. You have to work, learn to control it.. the artform og dj'n

[@maybellejoy9783]

I had a challenging experience this past weekend using a turntable controller for only the second time at a gig and had to learn a few of these lessons on the go, but your vid really explains these things and even brings up other points too. Thankful honestly. !

[@priyonjoni]

Glad I was able to help!

[@patofthesharingan6468]

This seems to be a comparison between a CDJ controller and a Vinyl controller. It would be interesting to compare controller vs analog vinyl. Vinyl had issues such as warped vinyl, convex or concave warping, loose or tight centers, thin vinyl, thick vinyl, cue burns, scratched surface, drifting bpms because of manual edits. All this actually helped develop a lot of nuance skill for old school vinyl DJs.

[@kennethmalafy8012]

There's not much of a comparison there. I used to DJ on two turntables (pure vinyl- no controller/ dvs etc.). Even the most basic entry level controller gives you a ton more control and features than the old set up. That's why he compared it to a controller vinyl set up.

[@DJAngusTV]

I wished this video came a month earlier because I discovered these differences after buying Phase DJ - especially the issue with the tempo ranges. I am thinking Reloop 8000mk2 will solve most of these issues.

[@evanrandall1675]

This was a video the internet needed. Well thought-out as well. Great

[@cyrushardiman2951]

Yo man I’ve been playing with turntables for a little over 2 years now and I’ve used a controller a few times but for me it’s just too much going on at once in my face. With vinyl it’s more straightforward, you put the record on and match the snares then mix in. With a controller I get lost in the screen. Got a lot of respect for those controller djs but I would 10 times over prefer vinyl. You hear raw technique and talent rather than a machine doing all the hard work… most of the time

[@priyonjoni]

Talent isn’t in the machine, it’s in the person.

[@jonathanbross]

Turntable advocate chiming in... One thing you gain with turntables and lose with CDJs/controller is the ability to beat juggle using record rotation. IMO beat juggling on a static wheel device (CDJ/controller) is inferior. Great video as always tho! 👍

[@kennethmalafy8012]

You can beat juggle on controllers- the only difference is that the platter doesn't move (unless you have motorized). The Pioneer DDj 1000 actually puts a visual marker (like the little marker vinyl DJs would put on the sticker on the record). It just takes a minute or two to adjust to the different feel. DJs don't do it because you can get the same effect with loops and the loops give you more creative freedom.

[@bonjovi7399]

Its like riding a bike with stabilizers then having to remove them. If you have a BPM counter in view its basically playing air guitar unless you are scratching beat juggling and incorporating a whole range of tricks into your set. Straight mixing you may as well stare at paint drying until you press a button to que in the next record. I've tried both and found BPM counting machines boring as hell. If I was learning on BPM counting machines I'd give up on DJing in a year because there's no challenge once you learn the timings/math of how two records go together and EQing. Once you "master" that you just stand there looking dumb. Thats why so many DJs on feel like they have to put on a show by going nuts on the EQ as if they are creating the song on the mixer, faking the EQ twists because you cannot hear it, and dancing, posing behind the decks. They have plenty of time to practice throwing love hearts with their hands.

[@priyonjoni]

Lol huh?

[@BigBlockEntertainment]

Man such a great video. I am using Rane 12 and a Rane 72 from a DDJ 1000 Srt and I thought there was something wrong with my tables because of the drift!

[@djd-man4255]

Basically DJs on turntables are GODS to keep the party rocking on beat!

[@g_reaper_2721]

Great insite now I am not sure if I want to invest to try out turntables. You touched on phase but would be great to see a comparison with cdj and phase🤔

[@mrpep1976]

I we t from turntables to Rane 12/Cdj cause I need moving platters. The biggest downside to TT is the wow and flutter, if you use DVS you’ll have to deal with dust and needles, if you go with phase you have to charge, trust the hardware and it’s more to deal with. The rane 12 is the perfect unit if you want to feel turntables but want precision.

[@jermainlinton2959]

Was surprised by your track choice. Instant smash on the like button 🖤

[@lustforlow-end6022]

I’ve been using vinyl & turntables for 20 years, never used digital. I’m not a purist though, I just can’t afford to go digital (yet). I’m not sure I’d consider it an upgrade going from a controller or cdj’s to turntables though. I mean turntables might look or “feel” more professional, but they’re actually quite basic & limited technology in this day & age… also just look what can be done on controllers. Hot cues, samples, rolls, pad fx etc! I’d love to have a go them some time 👍

[@kwirkLA]

Yeah I started on vinyl +1200s about 20 years ago and am jumping back into the DJing hobby and learning about the technology advances I missed in the past decade. Seems like the only reason to choose TTs these days would be if you had a sizeable vinyl collection you still want to play or if you're a scratch/hip-hop/quick mix style DJ and don't want to relearn or adapt the movements to a smaller controller (or if you're like "eff it I have the turntables already so why buy a controller"). The new digital systems open a lot of creative possibilities so I hate seeing old purist DJs diss em saying it's "not real DJing" or whatever

[@gerry_t_uk]

Should do a part 2 and use a normal vinyl. Looking at the dark and light areas on the vinyl, the OG reading waveforms😁

[@priyonjoni]

I would but I gave away my vinyl collection 12 years ago.

[@lowekeysole]

Thanks for the vid. I learned, & still learning, on turntables from rip. I do wanna get into converting to CDJ. With your experience, hopefully you’ll do a viceversa vid in the future. Peace.

[@priyonjoni]

glad to help!

[@DJ_V_squared]

Never looked at using turntables as an upgrade

[@en4ce_]

This is very amusing for me... thank you

[@djtitan]

In regards to number 6, the screen and info lags but the audio stays real time. So it’s the analog equivalent of using your ear with a real record. Just can’t 100% rely on your eyes when matching with vinyl in this case.

[@djhomiedaklown]

My vestax PDX 2000s have brakes and can stop as fast as a controller! The only thing that I think you’ve got wrong.I’ve checked this out with my vestax CD-R put as a controller on . But good advice for people who have never used records before or timecode.

[@NexuJin]

Very informative video again! Also the background is pretty nice!

[@WaltThizzney415]

I got lucky my college radio station had a pioneer set up and technics, Serato had just dropped and worked great with djm 900

[@lustforlow-end6022]

That is lucky, I bet you had a lot of fun 😊

[@DrivenUnder1000]

I just bought the reloop rp 8000 mk2 and found out no mater what slipmat I use the vinyl still doesn't want to stop spinning without slowing down the plater!

[@sumitromandal6173]

Thnx for the video sir, its quite useful. Hope you're doing well....can you make a video on making mashups or maybe using the full EQ for mixing different genres? It would mean a lot

[@LightBlazeMC]

great vid man!

[@at9015]

I will upgrade to cassette players!!!

[@rickquesada925]

Ha ha! 😂

[@DeeJayNayNay]

Thank you man Cause I want to upgrade 🥺💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾

[@priyonjoni]

for sure!

[@matthewjswider]

@ 18:54 I noticed that your cue point for that AHHH sound isn’t at the top of the noise, rather it’s kinda behind there. Can you tell me, is this a trick for when your cue lines up you still have sound behind it intentionally or is this to give you the sticker offset for lining up at the play head vs 12 o’clock?

[@priyonjoni]

I did that purposely for my gate cue scratch trick I do on the S11 and S7

[@matthewjswider]

@@priyonjoni gotcha.

[@dj_dezeo]

How are you viewing the waveform on the turntable?? I don’t get it I’ve seen this before. I just got back into DJing. Can someone answer me please 😂

[@mishensam]

On a vinyl there are sections that appear lighter and darker on the surface of the record. as you move through the record, usually the lighter sections will be a breakdown or intro/outro areas of a track whereas the darker sections in the vinyl would be the beat sections with the bass drop, melody etc etc.. as the needle moves through toward the centre of the record you can read the vinyl to interpret what the track will do next in the same way as looking at a full wavelength read out on digital platforms

[@_LOGA_]

Someone forgot that you usually play turntables with actual vinyl and not with a control vinyl.

[@priyonjoni]

Speaking to DJs who "usually" use DVS. It's not common to see actual vinyl played at gigs. But it's not to see every once in a while. You could say, it's not the "usual" thing to see these days.

[@DJ_PHILCO79]

Teach me how to create the chapters.. 😁😁😁

[@priyonjoni]

It's in the description

[@davidcarney4602]

I wonder what turntable or cdj has the least amount of latency or if it even matters if you switch anti drift on for beat juggling & scratching. But still curious I want to run some experiments with multiple different setups

[@K.mersch]

Does the controller (for example a XDJ XZ or DDJ 1000) show the BPM of the turntable on the controller itself?

[@DaSinghRP]

Awesome 😎

[@tonyhenwood9280]

for the instant turn table start your talking about that's what your slip mat is for so the turntable is actually running and the record is held so you get the instant start there is no other way to get the instant start from a turn table

[@davidr7997]

on my s7 i double tap sample and it opens transport orange green play and cue, pitch lock purple and sync orange appear on the pads

[@afeudale]

Do you want to "play music" or do you want to "be an artist"? That is the essential question here - and neither is better than the other, just your preference. I choose to be an artist, so vinyl and/or DVS it is 👍🙂

[@priyonjoni]

Doesn't make you less of an artist for using different tools. Art is about creating something, not preserving something.

[@binhiddin1]

Great video. Question ? Does using phase make the turntable behave more like a controller ?

[@priyonjoni]

No. It behaves like a needle that doesn’t skip or end.

[@binhiddin1]

@@priyonjoni thanks. Another question, I have one turntable and use instant doubles to allow me to dj with one turn table being in internal mode. Can the same be accomplished with Phase ? For example can I use one phase remote and do the same thing

Use a proper Technics SL1200 MK2 original setup with no digital assistants and non digital Serato/Traktor etc. turntables. That would be interesting just using your ears instead of just looking at a screen on the mixer (albeit I think you are showing the difference for younger generations)

[@priyonjoni]

I would, but gave away all my vinyl 14 years ago. I don’t really use turntable professionally. Only for content purposes every now and then. I’m not even a DJ.

[@MarceloMorales-u3z]

For me I would not call this an upgrade more like a downgrade because I can do so much more with a controller and has so much more features and advantages and for my business I don’t need to scratch.

[@mishensam]

Another point to mention is the timecode vinyls have an audible high pitched sound to them that can be heard when playing at low volume or with the volume completely lowered. This is due to the actual needle in the groove of the vinyl physically picking up the sound of the timecode signal. This phenomenon also happens with regular vinyl however it is less noticeable as the sound the needle would pick up on regular vinyl would match the music coming from your speakers as opposed to the timecode signal being a continuous high pitched hum that is distinctly different to whatever music would be playing along with it. Using phase would be an option to eliminate this issue but using traditional needles it’s unavoidable. At normal mixing volumes the issue is not really a problem as only noticeable when mixing or listening to tunes at low volumes but still a “feature” of timecode vinyl that should be considered.

[@syrup_710]

the output goes into a computer so how would it get to the speakers?

[@reydavidruiz7307]

I have been thinking of changing my controller for a pair of rane twelve mkII with a Pioneer S7 mixer which from what I have read is almost the same as using a controller but in the form of turntables I don't know what opinion you can give me about that configuration will it be good or not? Greetings and thanks for your videos are very helpful!

[@priyonjoni]

You can MIDI remap it to a first level pad mode.

[@manojkrishna2200]

But what about the motorized controller ?

[@priyonjoni]

Best of both worlds.

[@eli-shulga]

Noob question - the track on the right deck runs from the record or from the USB/Laptop? Or maybe both? And if its "digital" then can you do the same with the needle off he record? Love your vids going over them learning alot Thanks

[@priyonjoni]

The DJ software deck on the right is controlled by the timecode record on the turntable. The technology is called DVS (Digital Vinyl System) and is how DJs use turntables with DJ software.

[@eli-shulga]

@@priyonjoni Ok thanks ill look it up

[@oliviergaridou8525]

Hi Mate you should do this comparison with a real vinyl

[@priyonjoni]

I would, but I no longer have my vinyl collection. I donated a thousand records to a recycling center 12 years ago.

[@oliviergaridou8525]

@@priyonjoni wow what a pity! I've lost a lot a vinyls as well, anyway thanks tor the reply... Cheers&let's roll!!!!

[@dj.excess]

I see BPMs on screens and I automatically disqualify anyone who says their a DJ 🤷‍♂️. Relying on that is too easy mode. That’s why vinyl is life🙌🏼

[@priyonjoni]

So DJing is a sport? I thought it was an art 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@mrpep1976]

So I guess all those guys that rocks the big party’s are what? You’re funny 😂

[@chubbybunny3787]

Yo, can I ask you a question, I’m about to be a beginner at being a Dj, and I’m starting out with an DDJ-SB, and I don’t have a PC or An IMac, I only have a, Chromebook, so what can I use/ plug in to my computer, like what cords to you need to plug in from your set, to your computer, also, do you know of any free Dj websites where you can use free sounds and beats and they don’t charge you like 50$ a month or something like that, or just any Dj websites in general???

[@playbookshowme484]

K But how do I Paris Hilton dis Sh!t.

[@juansaladzar]

Come on man hot cues? Just reach down to the time code vinyl & cue it up you have a slip mat brah 😐

[@priyonjoni]

How would tone-play work?