90. Fixing the sliding door handle (fully) on my Toyota Proace (Citroen Despatch / Peugeot Expert)

[@Alex-s7y3d]

I love the thought of someone discovering this channel through looking for door handle advice and falling for David’s charms which we are all really here for.

[@Vandemonium]

Surely not!! 🤣🤣🤣

[@thomasfrench2012]

Raise your hands, who knew David would never get around to replacing that gaffer tape? 🙂

[@Vandemonium]

Meeeeee!!!!!

[@thomasfrench2012]

@@Vandemonium LOL Let's be honest, there are much bigger problems in the world. 🙂

[@francollingborn4606]

What a riveting episode 😂😂😂

[@thomasfrench2012]

@@francollingborn4606 lol

[@floydbertagnolli944]

David, I don’t own a van & will likely never have to do this repair, but as a fellow DIYer I completely enjoyed watching your discovery/learning process, and logical & through approach. Well done! 😅

[@paulhaynes8045]

Hmm - instead of getting off my lazy backside and getting on with one of the half dozen annoying, tricky things I'm supposed to be fixing, I've sat here and watched you fix an annoying, tricky thing! Prevarication taken to a whole new level...

[@Vandemonium]

🤣

[@johnp99550]

30 minute video on repairing a door handle, well yes please 😊

[@mep1624]

The use of the queens-English technical-terms (e.g. "pivoty-bit") is just off the chart entertaining and educational. 🇨🇦 Cheers for Canada and well done!

[@BadgerBotherer1]

King's English.

[@mep1624]

Right-Oh then, jolly-good and well played. I concede to an outdated reference based on my impending senescence. I assure you the level of the Kings-vernacular currently in use anywhere in 🇨🇦 is a second or third derivative away such that it is fascinating we can still converse at all. Keep Calm, and English On and long live the King. 🕺 😎

[@markcoles7667]

I could watch David pant a door white and find it interesting ! patience personified

[@Vandemonium]

🤣

[@TheBlueOwl21]

What a very tricky job David ! You have more patience than me. 👍

[@martincannon1078]

I don't have a van, I don't need to take doors apart on my car, but what an entertaining video from my first you tuber. You're still my top man David. From canals before Covid days to now.

[@Vandemonium]

Much appreciated!!

[@pattie5267]

Alright, your just starting and saying you have to gently drill the rivets out. I am not mechanical at all, but gentle and drilling doesn't seem to go together. 😂 Wishing you well as I continue to watch. Have to hand it to you you tackle some big projects and do a great job.

[@macmcelroy6165]

over all the years of watching you , throughout all sorts of mechanical and carpentry situations first with the narrowboat (now Twiggy) and the campervan i got to say that "undaunted David " you are ! perhaps Toyota should send out a more substantially built part free off charge

[@andrewdolinskiatcarpathian]

“Yikes”! 😮 David, I could not have said it better myself. It beggars belief that the designers of such mechanism had a moments thought as to those tasked with carrying such repairs. Well done on being brave enough to tackle this problem. 👏👏👍😀 Now if only I could get “pivot bit” out of my head. 🥴😂

[@earlaagaard8175]

I admire your self-control in not expressing your opinion of the "engineer" who planned the internal workings of your door......afraid I'd have been saying some bad words..... 🙂

[@kathyjohnson2043]

I'm sure it was never supposed to be serviced because they would rather sell you a whole new door or better yet, a whole new car

[@JohnSmith-pl2bk]

It's all one "cartridge" pre assembled and fitted to the "empty" door at the car factory on the assembly lines... meant to last the three year new car warranty period.. and then "who cares"

[@clownhoof]

I’d like a video of the outtakes from this video, please. Brilliant stuff, sir.

[@shirleylynch7529]

You have the patience of a Saint David. Well done.

[@PaulGodfrey]

Great video. I really admire your patience and persistence and ingenuity fixing that door handle.

[@Vandemonium]

Thank you very much!

[@Deb_Downes]

⭐️ - for perseverance, David! Those self tapping screws are a much better replacement for the rivets, I’ve never drilled out rivets, so good lesson for me, thank you. What a job well done! 😻

[@pierregildert6808]

I cannot find the words for how grateful I am to you for this video! I had the same problem on my Fiat Scudo 2014, which interestingly is using exactly the same mechanism and components. Couldn't even drive the van since the mechanism had jammed in an open position, so the door wouldn't lock at all. I was about to give up yesterday, and leave it to an expensive workshop, but this video completely turned things around and my van is now working again thanks to you! The repair took me only a portion of the time I would have spent finding out all of these small hick-ups myself, and to be honest I really hesitated to even start drilling the rivets away and likely would have stopped there without seeing you doing it first. I especially appreciate the "honest" approach of showing all the things you did maybe not as successful as a specialized mechanic would have done it. Those things were the once I almost certainly would have messed up myself... A big big BIG thanks! 🙏 Some tips to future viewers: - Putting sticky tape on the back of the rivets while drilling the remains of them away took care of almost all the metal shavings that otherwise would have fallen into the door. In addition holding the nozzle of the vacuum cleaner close while drilling took care of the rest. - I used a zip-tie (open in U-shape and not locked so it could easily be removed afterwards) around the wire to attach it on the back of the outer cover before pressing it back into position. No fingers pinched!

[@Vandemonium]

I am extremely pleased it was useful!

[@dirtdigger949]

The idea of fixing a door handel could be so entertaining only you can pull it off!

[@JohnSmith-pl2bk]

David disavowed having pulled it off...in the first place...oh wait...

[@martinhyde9663]

I share your frustration with rivets spinning while trying to drill them out. We recently had to replace one of the two solar panels we have on the roof of our travel trailer. They are riveted to 'L' shaped standoffs/brackets on the roof of the trailer Sixteen rivets to drill out, sixteen holes in the panel frame to drill and sixteen rivets to replace. All of them while standing on ladders propped up against the trailer. Oh and it was hot and sunny too just to add some extra joy. One of my frustrations (and I think you alluded to this in your video is trying to get adult sized hands into areas only accessible to a baby's hands. It is almost as though you need the hands of a toddler but with the grip strength of Sampson.

[@craigw.scribner6490]

Great video, David--really appreciated by me: someone with far less mechanical aptitude than you! I laughed out loud at 10:54 (empathetically, of course) and chuckled every single time you said "pivoty-bit." Thanks for another informative and unexpectedly entertaining video!

[@Vandemonium]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@Rovinman]

Love watching these Mechaniccy videos ! Rivetting ! Well done David ! Usually those Rivets are made of Aluminium, so DON'T rust ! ! The steel pin {head}, that pulls the rivet tight into place, is the ONLY steel bit that could possibly rust ! Very nice replacement for the Rivets ! It is now repair-able for the next time ! Stay fixed ! Stu xx

[@johnshaw4140]

Peugeot mechanic extraordinaire , even if it is a Toyota , well done David

[@howardclarke7631]

Well done, I would have given up very early on. 10/10 for perseverance.

[@pixie706]

I sat watching this cringing and holding my breath.....what if David cant get it all back together. 😮 Well Done😊

[@Rick-wu9gu]

I have always maintained that the engineers who design these "fiddly gadgets" should be made to work on their finished products. I'd that were the case, I can't help but believe that tasks such as those David just undertook would be MUCH simpler for all! OR....design engineers belong to a guild of sadists who enjoy making us scuff our knuckles!!! Great video, thank you!

[@markd5350]

its probably designed fine until management says "thats to expensive to make, it needs to be cheaper"

[@kathyjohnson2043]

They aren't designed to be fixed, just replaced😕

[@paulhaynes8045]

@@Rick-wu9gu after some time of being involved in the design and development of computer systems, I came to the conclusion that it should be a general rule that whoever designs anything should be made to use it!

[@steveroperfilms]

Epic repair. Thanks David. I have the same problem with my van. Now I'm thinking of fitting it with a Suffolk Latch. Cheers from Bali.

[@geoffreyroberts7613]

Congratulations David. Top marks for patience and perseverance. God bless you brother.😀🙏

[@Nerd3927]

David, I am impressed with your progress in this DIY stuff! Job well done and hardly any "sitting with crooked toes" from my part. Respect!

[@caniacstevehenderson7115]

Well done sir ❤❤❤❤❤

[@petetibbs6103]

We have all been there, you just had a camera with you. Amazing the plastic bits held up so well. Great job.

[@peteraspinall3355]

Hi David. To stop the cover plate falling off, get a hairdryer trained on the tab until relatively hot ( not too much so as to deform the panel) and bend the tab to rejuvenate it's springiness. You can have a bowl of cold water handy to plunge cool the part whilst you hold it in it's tension position. I find this works on most plastic items. Loose rmote battery door covers etc.

[@Vandemonium]

Good tip, cheers!

[@susanmarker2164]

Well this has to be one of the most unique bed time videos of my life! And as i am 77 yrs old thats saying a bit. I do believe you deserve a metal for bravery! 🎖 BRAVO. David!!👌👍Scrubbing out the fiddlybits was probably best!......🤓😅Well done!

[@Vandemonium]

Wow, thank you!

[@thejerseylady1]

Brilliant, as always. I love watching you fix things. Sending all the best thoughts, Gloria

[@lesliepropheter5040]

Omg David, you are so precise and the filming detail is as if we were in your head doing it through you. You have achieved ! Success! So now I’m watching one of your early van conversions, I.e. sink etc. you use a little white saw… you should seriously consider a Japanese saw blade. They are very sharp and exquisite in fine cuts. A pleasure to use.

[@Tinker001]

Excellent work and quite entertaining David! Two things to keep in mind for next time. (You KNOW there'll be a next time...) 1) Those rivets you drilled out are aluminium, so rust isn't going to be an issue. (Tho losing one into the door guarantees an annoying rattle...) 2) While the self drilling screws are a totally valid solution, Look up "riv-nuts" (sometimes also called "nut-serts"), they're like a rivet, but with a threaded hole for a bolt. They come in all sorts of sizes & you'll also find them handy while doing other van & boat projects.

[@Vandemonium]

Cheers. I'm aware of rivnuts, I used them on my narrowboat but their purpose is to provide a threaded hole for bolt insertion rather than mechanically fixing two plates together as here.

[@Tinker001]

@@Vandemonium If you put them in the holes the rivets came out of, then bolt that plastic piece in place, Next time you need to fix it will be easier. (Tho the screws you did use will also be easier than drilling rivets.

[@Vandemonium]

I see what you mean but then the plastic piece would be offset from the metal by the width of the rivnut which could mean the final plastic trim piece not snapping back into place.

[@Tinker001]

@@Vandemonium I'd bet on it snapping into place just fine. Close tolerances in modern automotive bodywork (much like Santa Clause, The Tooth Fairy & honest politicians...) are mostly mythical. OTOH... Your self-drilling screws are also doing just fine.

[@alanjackson4646]

That job was a real pain in the butt, well done.Regards AJ

[@bosse641]

Well done, David!

[@tommarshall1660]

Ah David,I wonder if you look in the instruction book will there be a sentence on the " pivoty bit"? Very interesting made my Saturday evening. Such patience. Great video as usual.

[@jgriff3218]

Well done. I believe the rivits are made of aluminum so may not have a rusting issue.

[@helenarachelthomas5233]

Love these videos.. informative and entertaining. Lord Reith would be so proud

[@jacobparry6212]

Thanks this video helped me fix my door. I found your channel with this video and now am subscribed.

[@Vandemonium]

Glad I could help 😀

[@jamesmoore9511]

After drilling out the rivets - replace them with "Rive-nuts". A rivet that only goes on the inner part and is threaded through it's center. Then you can use regular machine screws for next time it breaks - no more problems

[@zapfanzapfan]

I applaud you restraint from going full Clarkson on that door handle 🙂 Now that you know the design fault, design a better one, patent it and make a million from licencing it to car manufacturers!

[@wretchedmess]

Perfect time to use rivet nuts- would be an inexpensive and very useful addition to your toolkit. Excellent for attaching things to sheet metal, tubing, housings, and situations where you only have access to one side of the material.

[@malibugrove]

You can always file two edges of a rivet to get a better hold with pliers.

[@jacksomb1]

By sliding a small flat-bladed screwdriver, behind the face of a spinney rivet, with a slight twist of the 'driver you should be able to stop the spinning. BTW, with the exception of the central pin, the rivet is ali, so rust shouldn't be a problem. Perhaps magnet-fish for the pin(s) if the noise of them rattling around becomes too much? Great video!

[@Vandemonium]

Ooh good tip

[@ken.northeast]

Hello David, Very entertaining. I found this video very riveting, Keep up the good work.

[@stanleyclark7758]

Well done David. I enjoyed that interesting video so much, I am half minded to go and buy a van similar to yours and hope that the door mechanism fails so I can have a go myself. 😂

[@Vandemonium]

Haha steady on!

[@goofe.washington953]

Just an idea. The cover that keeps falling off…..heat the protruding tabs with a blow dryer, and then GENTLY bend them out a little bit. Might work, I think worth a try, but obviously don’t break them off when bending them out. Take care.

[@loki7441]

Dont worry about the missing rivet David. Its aluminium so it wont rust. Now the possibility of a rattle,50/50. If you do get one; turn the radio a bit. Double sided tape wrapped around a mildly flexible stick like a fiberglass tent pole shuld get it out if you can see it. Also a couple of very small dabs of super glue should hold the last panel on. Blue tack could work too. As an ex motor and aircraft mechanic, buggering about inside doors and blind spaces with spanners etc. is the most annoying of persuits

[@centauri61032]

It's possible that if you would buy replacement parts for that outer door handle, that the newer replacements may be designed differently to prevent your issue. Or a 3rd party supplier may have a handle of a different design from the original. If you continue to have problems, you may want to consider new parts the next time you tear things apart. Probably even available on places like eBay.

[@davidhudson5452]

David, that looked like fun hope it holds

[@Vandemonium]

So do I!!

[@TheSandman614]

If this turns out to be a continued repair you can use rivet-nuts in place of a standard rivets on that plastic interior piece.

[@Vandemonium]

Rivnuts would, I think, raise the level of the plastic insert away from the metal which might then prevent the final plastic trim from snapping in correctly.

[@mattevans-koch9353]

Well done David.

[@PKWeaver74]

Absolutely rivetting.

[@cyberi4a]

I give you credit for doing that. I would have paid a high price for the dealer to fix it, or just purchased a new van.......LOL

[@SecretSquirrelFun]

Riveting stuff 🙂 Thanks for sharing.

[@pattie5267]

Great job, you did it. Not a job I could do. Lol self screwing screws - ok go I need 4 right there. 😮😮Well why aren't they moving???? Ok I hope I gave you a laugh from someone that couldn't have fixed anything on a car when they were fun to work on. Not telling my age. 😅😅

[@davidpyle7333]

Likely over time the cable has stretched and requires more movement from the pivoty-bit to disengage the lock. This translates to needing to pull the door handle further out, and causing it to pop off the tabs. You see it with boot-release levers, when the car is new you lift it an inch, give it a few years and it needs a lot more….

[@horstszibulski19]

I never got it why they switched from rigid pushrods to cables...like switching to electric push-buttons on rear hatches that are just millimeters away from the lock... 🤨🤔

[@cristelvideo]

Definitely time for a cheese sandwich and a cup of tea, Well done.

[@Earthling418]

In my experience with drilling rivets, if the body of the rivet spins, lay the drill at an angle. It may still spin but the drill will continue to cut.

[@Vandemonium]

Cheers, I tried that!

[@NiallWardrop]

They design these things to use the absolute minimum of materials so the tolerances are unreasonably tight. They work when new but it only takes a small amount of wear, movement or stretching of the plastic then they don't. They are also designed to separate or break when forced against a locked door for security.

[@terrycrane9459]

You did very well. I would have bought a new door

[@dennisbishop3842]

Great can-do video.

[@MotownJT]

Love my Toyota Corolla! Although I hope that I never have to replace a door handle.

[@layalabi1667]

I would never try this!!! Good for you !!😂😂

[@benjamingibson7999]

Would a dot of silicon hold the inner panel door thing. In place

[@jamesa7506]

Almost as bad as watching you make bread! 😂 Glad you got the door handle sorted. 👍

[@sprint955st]

No rust issues from those fallen rivets; they are aluminium alloy.

[@mathismuller6033]

An idea to "fix" this issue would be to fix a piece of something to the plastic piece that sits to the left of the handle in such a way, that it pushes the plastic tab toward the latch mechanism, esentially taking up the slack and avoiding to have to take the door apart again, in case someone opens ths door "wrong". I think elongating the latch would require a very strong material and glue, as I am sure the forces exerted there are quite high.

[@sharktripdan]

Since it has happened more than once, I suspect that at least one of the pieces has worn or warped to the point that it will happen again. doing it yourself will save enough that you might just be able to replace all the plastics.

[@Vandemonium]

The odd thing is, it all looked fine apart from how you could pull the handle so far as for it to just move past the end of the latch.

[@sharktripdan]

@@Vandemonium maybe check out the look and feel of some used ones, or check the forums and see what the common failure point is.

[@paulhaynes8045]

​@@Vandemoniumplastic is a wonderful thing for making stuff, but a pain in the backside when it comes to fixing things. It always wears, breaks, warps, or becomes brittle. No one who ever had to live with things for years afterwards would ever make stuff out of bloody plastic!

[@stephenr6427]

@@Vandemoniumthe rivets are made of aliminium so wont rust

[@paulhoughton5266]

There is always one screw or rivet that just won't play ball

[@OhioticketswithRobert]

Very informative

[@littlechris5656]

Been a while since I've laughed so much; 'All you do is' - caption = not it wasn't actually. 'oopps', b%$££@&s, oh my G, to 'I've just managed to snap off' etc. This is a true account of how 90% of the population fix things!!!! Well do David, we've all got your back while we giggle!!!

[@benjamingibson7999]

I don't know the that im right but the part of the door where the handle connects to the inside looks like there should be a piece of plastic or something that should slide in the keep it together, judging only by the shape in the bracket

[@propulsar]

Good job Reg!

[@Vandemonium]

🤣

[@jmcarp0]

I was talking to the screen, you just need a cable tie to hold that yellow bit in, and what do you know, one appeared! Also i am blaming myself for the self tappers you used at the end.

[@markwhitcher2138]

keep up the practice, people will come to you for advise.

[@Vandemonium]

I would advise them not to 🤣

[@mabecka]

Same as Fiat Scudo II. Cheers.

[@PhilPage227]

Very well done.

[@MarcelEling]

Good thinking, you did it🎉

[@maidbloke]

Worth a like for the title alone

[@carycoombe3380]

The pop rivets are aluminum so they don't rust, I believe.

[@JohnSmith-pl2bk]

The shank of the rivet that the rivet gun pulls on...is steel... as is the head of the shank (the expander button) left inside the rivet after the shank has broken off..

[@cinccave5459]

One word for that last rivet...vice grips.

[@bobwilliamson5574]

You could replace the rivets with rivnuts and screws.

[@Vandemonium]

Rivnuts would, I think, raise the level of the plastic insert away from the metal which might then prevent the final plastic trim from snapping in correctly.

[@bobwilliamson5574]

@@Vandemonium yes I think you made the right choice with Tek screws 👍

[@adrianheywood]

I've had an epiphany. I think that the reason I enjoy watching you - if you'll forgive me - 'faffing' about with things is that it makes my own moronic attempts at repair-ations slightly less embarrassing. :)

[@hamshackleton]

Carefully designed to be nearly impossible to repair! 🙂

[@jonclare6058]

Hello great channel, could I ask you how you stop the internal cab alarm going off? I have rhe peugeot version of your van and can't for the life of me turn it of . Thanks

[@Vandemonium]

You mean when you're inside and you use the keyfob to lock the van? It seems that always activates the cab internal motion sensor. The way to lock the doors without the alarm is to press the button that's top left of the set of buttons on the centre console (it's a pure lock but doesn't set the alarm)

[@jonclare6058]

Thanks I'll have a look😊​@Vandemonium

[@kuukeli]

thank you for video

[@christ6968]

Blimey that's a lot of patience. My video would have been a sea of ***** words

[@brain8484]

cut a piece of rubber and fit it in the gap you showed on the outside handle , that will stop it moving forward

[@fenrichlee2867]

You always get one, even rivets.

[@jamesellsworth9673]

To be continued at a too-early date.

[@kennethjones1441]

Thank you.

[@jimhshull]

Enjoyed your latest episode however I’m unclear exactly why you needed to repair your door mechanism. Was there the same failure as before, did the inside lock mechanism fail, or was the cause something else?

[@Vandemonium]

I explained that at the start - the entire internal mechanism had fallen away rather than just disconnecting from the handle as before.

[@carycoombe3380]

I was shouting "Use LOCKING pliers!" at the screen when you were having trouble with the last rivet.

[@davidoickle1778]

Yes, me also.

[@anfieldroadlayoutintheloft5204]

good vid on channel keep up the travel vid you do

[@bababooey3855]

What’s the difference between a Hoover and a Harley? With the Hoover the dirtbag is on the inside.

[@101egals]

Try some double-sided tape to keep that plastic piece on behind the inside door handle.

[@stevenjohnson4190]

Don't like the sound of plastic breaking ?? But do you like the sound of breaking glass?

[@Vandemonium]

Can't remember who sang that!

[@stevenjohnson4190]

@@Vandemonium it was nick lowe, he also sang Cruel to Be kind.

[@BdManus]

You fixed something meant to be thrown away. Eventually you'll need another handle assembly, but great job for now.