91 - The Truth Behind Why Acts 29 Removed Our Church

[@adamjohns78]

I really hope this goes viral; sharing multiple places. Sunlight is the best disinfectant and the corruption in big Eva needs to be eradicated. PS: AD Robles provides great commentary on his channel about this.

[@yeoberry]

I'm grateful our church didn't get included in Acts 29 when we were looking into it about a dozen years ago. The Lord shepherded us away and protected us.

[@sparenoarrows]

What a crazy and disappointing conversation. I'm so sorry you guys experienced that. Bless you for being faithful. You kept your cool incredibly well during that conversation. Super admirable.

[@FullProofTheology]

Thanks!

[@KingdomeBleachers]

I have attended 2 Acts 29 churches in my life. They will act and tell you to your face that they love critiques and welcome criticisms. They'll even invite you to church meetings to placate you or make you feel like you have a part in the church. A voice. You never do, and it's so frustrating watching them crash and burn when they could have just listened. There are too many prideful, hard headed gen x'ers in Acts 29. I am so happy to be out of these manipulative conversations.

[@nathangarn9922]

This was fantastic. Thank you brothers. I’m a lead pastor of a church that left Acts 29 in 2020. We’ve felt somewhat “homeless” since then so things like this are extremely encouraging.

[@EthanRHolden]

You two handled this very well. They handled this like effeminates. Very disappointing.

[@FullProofTheology]

Thanks!

[@matthewhowell8718]

Interesting that "effeminate" is used as derogatory - what about their behavior here is typical of females?

[@EthanRHolden]

@@matthewhowell8718, their speech and behavior. Thanks for asking. (:

[@yeoberry]

@@matthewhowell8718 : Effeminate doesn't mean feminine. A man is effeminate who acts in a feminine manner.

[@cubs3072]

@@matthewhowell8718 Yeah I didn't see the strong effeminate behavior in this recording. It's normal church speak which is effeminate but nothing abnormal to regular church today. The absolutely ridiculous behavior to me is the lying. I'm sorry not specifically telling someone what they are doing wrong when your accusing them of doing something wrong is lying. Lying isn't a effeminate trait.

[@megofiachra3247]

Matt mentions CRT as one of the questions/conversations he’d had with leadership. I think this is one example of the looming Faultline that Voddie Baucham predicted in his book of the same name.

[@adamjohns78]

Yes it is

[@JW23551]

They won’t let you see the bylaws…yet hold you to the rules and standards therein. Got it.

[@jasonburgess7745]

Hmmm. Who are you guys to "answer back to God", or say "what doest thou", if God ordained for His greatest glory for the Acts29 network to kick you guys out without just cause? Isn't this just something you need to rest in as Calvinists? Or is God's will being thwarted by the Acts 29 Network?

[@homerjneil]

Acts 29 started well, but has seemingly imploded. We had a great Acts 29 church in Houston before moving 8 years ago, but apparently, they left the network. We joined one in Charlotte that had great theology . . . until they didn't (the pastor inexplicably went full Bill Johnson/Bethel, so we had to leave). Another local Acts 29 church was already fully "woke" 8 years ago. And a third folded up shop last year. Sad to see they did a disservice to this church.

[@DeeperRoots116]

I was truly saddened when I listened to that conversation. That is a tuff situation you brother went through. Continue to stand firm in the faith.

[@vanb0057]

This was frustrating to listen to. I can’t imagine being on the receiving end. “Pattern” would indicate consistent and repeated actions. If that is true it shouldn’t be difficult to provide a single example.

[@jaredlowry3547]

There’s always a circling of the wagons when you point out leftward drift in Christian organizations, but it’s wild to me that they went into this conversation without a single receipt to point to. Honestly, it’s probably because they didn’t want to defend points that are biblically indefensible.

[@adamjohns78]

Indeed there is.

[@navykip]

Thank you for sharing this conversation.

[@RyanKSDrac]

I feel for you guys on this, Acts 29 was way messed up. It’s times like that in evangelical circles and politics that I really don’t miss and am super glad to be a Catholic convert.

[@joshlegare]

Great conversation guys! Thank you for your heart to teach scripture as an application to our lives. We have been given unending grace by faith in Jesus Christ and by that faith we are made righteous, but it doesn’t end there. We are righteous by His blood but we are being made righteous by sanctification. How could one gloss over that fact?Take up your cross daily, die to yourself, live in Christ. This is all hand in hand. Appreciate you brothers. God bless!

[@luftstanza]

“It’s not that you guys are evil…” gee, thanks!

[@FullProofTheology]

So encouraging!

[@lydiabouts8572]

Not "demonic", either, so they've got THAT going for them! 🤦🏼‍♀️ Good grief.

[@Chilly83]

Matt, you hit the nail on the head - someone's feelings got hurt, they can't put it that way, let's get them on the phone and have them come up with a reason themselves by asking absurdly vague and leading questions without personally commenting on any actual evidence (because it not) When you cannot reference a single incident yourself and can only reference an event put of context over and over, then the accusations are clearly juvenile and unjust. Sorry you guys are having to deal with this nonsense. Ita maddening to hear this call and shows that they are clearly an organization that is set in their way and will not hear an opinion that is contradictory to their own view.

[@BenjaminKreis]

My family experienced a very similar situation in 2020-2022. Agonizing and frustrating.

[@adamjohns78]

Me too

[@johnriegle7099]

@@adamjohns78 Same.

[@blynkers1411]

Sounds like the former members ought to reform with different leadership - maybe for the purpose of fellowship and mutual encouragement. And with a better name.

[@edeancozzens3833]

Accusations without biblical specifics is what the devil does. Condemnation is of the devil.

[@ericedwards5034]

Boy, they could not WAIT to end that call! But that's how you act when you know you're wrong...

[@nateopfer7542]

"Thou shalt be nice."

[@projectE4]

In the secular world, to remove someone from employment, there must be documented evidence. Act 29 and all church leadership should learn from this. We can’t just say, this is how we feel, for all relationships involved, there must be direct collection of evidence. This helps all parties involved to fully understand what actuality happened. So sorry guys you have had to go through.

[@FullProofTheology]

Thanks Mars!

[@gwashington65]

Thanks for posting this. Acts29 couldn't provide any evidence. They are pathetic. Matt Chandler has gone communist. I wonder if CRT/communism is the real underlying issue here. I'm one of the early people who went to Mars Hill. Acts29 seems to have the same "don't ever doubt my leadership" attitude Mars Hill had. I'm sorry about all the pain you guys are going through. I don't know either of you guys but just trust me that you will be better off without Acts29 in your life.

[@Jruuuuu]

I can’t believe how little evidence they gave.

[@ds29912]

That is standard operating procedures for someone getting rid of someone getting to close to exposing the truth. It's gaslighting at it's most repulsive.

[@carloscardenas88]

thanks for sharing

[@marshallalbritton9521]

You guys are right in your perceptions. You were cancelled because you questioned the wrong people and you might have had fellowship with the wrong crowd.

[@FullProofTheology]

Thanks!

[@oneagleswings8456]

Brutal guys. That stings. Don't get discouraged stay close to Jesus and recognize these are the times we are in, its God's judgment. Many many many hirelings and cowards some that started off the race well but there is a great falling away. We HAVE to understand the times we are in count the cost and accept it. Russell Moore is a WOLF David French is a WOLF.

[@hokieham]

Yup. Defending Russell Moore? LOL……

[@noxvenit]

Man. Talk about some 9th commandment violations: censure without process: no charges, no specifications, tried in absentia, no opportunity to confront evidence against, or to depose witnesses. But they love you guys. So...there's that.

[@dubyag4124]

What's tragic about church "leadership" its almost like they have zero interest in reconciliation. We are to be minister's of reconciliation AND have more grace for fellow believers, even than sinners. We are to have a special love and forgiveness for fellow believers and this has not been modeled by Acts 29 or SBC. If our church leaders refuse to model reconciliation, the organizations have the authority in themselves and are above accountability, they are effectively acting like Cults. The fact you as pastors said this is "wrong", "sinful", should have been taken seriously by them as a real charge (with 2 witnesses) that they have no problem completely ignoring. This is toxic leadership. This is why nominal believers are deconstructing. No accountability, no transparency, and effeminate leadership more interested in pleasing people more than God.

[@Nickteny]

The call is hard to listen too…I’m absolutely disgusted by these men. Doug Logan is absolutely disgusting to listen too.

[@wfcperrine]

I don't understand why a church would voluntarily join a group like Acts 29 in the first place. If I wanted a church that was woke and "culturally relevant" I would sign up for the Joel Ostend book club. Screw Acts 29, TGC and all the clones. Find a local church unattached from higher influences (that always go woke.) Find a church that is unimpressed with cultural trends and preaches the one true Gospel of Jesus.

[@ericbrown3664]

This was very difficult to listen to with church leadership making completely unsubstantiated claims evidenced by the number of times the word “feel” was used during the conversation. They also misleadingly used the word “public” criticism multiple times with no actual evidence of it happening. It’s self evident that this was an emotional decision and not well-reasoned or thought out. I used to think highly of the Acts 29 network, but not anymore if this is how the leadership handles tension and difficult situations.

[@sierragrey7910]

So, speak about Russell Moore and and get kicked out of the club?

[@FullProofTheology]

Correct.

[@ashleynevins3595]

My wife and I left an Acts 29 church (Redeemer Modesto Ca. ) approx 3 years years ago. The church split over it going WOKE. The senior pastor then left the church soon after moving to that theological position and that left church in a strained financial state. Before that the Redemption Ministry was found to be spiritually abusive and it ended. I found out right after that the spiritual abuse issues had been a problem in that particular ministry since 2014 in the larger network. This situation sounds very familiar to those of us that left that Modesto A29 church. When a church, network or denomination goes cultic it makes you the problem for pointing out any problem, it makes itself we alone are right, if you disagree with something you're disagreeing with God, control of thinking and expression are tantamount, what is rational is made irrational but it thinks itself rational (that is crazy making), dictatorial, arbitrary and exclusive judgements are made, it is blind to how it is toxic and/or spiritually abusive, etc. (The short list) An excellent expose' and discussion. Thank you.

[@FullProofTheology]

Thanks for listening and sharing your experience!

[@LifeandLifeMoreAbundantly]

Great video, Praying for you.

[@FullProofTheology]

Thanks!

[@Vevay1961]

The audio recording proves the leaders at Acts 29 needs Proverbs 19:5 on their hearts.

[@jamessheffield4173]

Bureaucracies don't deal with questions or change.

[@lrspet01]

These "leaders" tag teamed their way through not making a single point. Apparently there is a pattern of constant public critique without bringing a single specific example. Doug gets a jab in that they said something wrong, and was asked mulyiple times what he means and they other guy refused to let Doug actually respond. This whole invisible docket thing where the leadership met with no notice and made the decision to kick a church out without allowing any defense...that is wrong. Plus, how obsurd to kick them out while still concluding they weren't in sin, but more of a difference in "philosophy". This network seems to be a good group with shady leadership that now has all the financial and influence power.

[@masterdaveedwards]

That’s rough bros. Have been going to an Act 29 for a while. Overall I like the Eldership. Not sure how connected they are to the network. This one is a Church plant from Red Deer Alberta. Appreciate you guys putting that out there. Just trying to put some feelers out. I don’t like Tyrants what ever flavour they come in… I always smell them out and the general rule is they don’t like me when I act like a man, and I hate being manipulated. God bless you and strengthen you in your next chapter. May His Kingdom come in your neck of the woods like you could never imagine. Shalom

[@johnjelinek3983]

Me too. I was a covenant member in Matt Chandler's church for years. The staff accused me of spousal abuse without evidence. The same type of effeminate communication style came from them (I think that's a requirement to being a good culture fit, but they think it's called "grace" or "compassion"). In the end, the claims never materialized, but membership revoked. Still married to the same woman today, but we moved far away from everything Chandler. Good timing too, because then the news of his inappropriate conduct dropped.

[@YARDMAN-g6h]

It’s pretty simple, don’t you dare say anything bad about our spineless, effeminate silent leader, Russel Moore.

[@navykip]

“You see how you did that? You see how you did that? You see how you did that?” What an immature response?

[@mikeinva8563]

It is sad how unChristian the Acts 29 goons were. Mathew makes it very clear how to address a fellow Christian with specifics of the sin.

[@yeoberry]

The first red flag about Acts 29 was when they expelled Mark Driscoll, apparently also unilaterally, and there was no disruption within the network. Mark Driscoll probably deserved some kind of discipline but such a mob-mentality without dissent is a symptom of a problem.

[@andrewnunez7894]

Kicking someone out and then saying “guys thank you” that has me dying! 😂 these are cowardly vindictive men and they try and act cordial lol

[@mikedickison244]

Ten years ago a congregation, i help found, went towards copeland/hinn/ charismatic away from fairly orthodox church. I didn't bend. I called them out on it. Within hours , first the very yongue preacher, 20 minutes later two deacons, just minutes later rest of "leadership". They used proverbs 6:16-19, mostly 19. Sowing discord. The church closed in a month . Still closed. Empty building. Leave the compromise.

[@yeoberry]

Ah, at about 35:00 it is revealed that all this is apparently about Russel Moore, which means that it's basically political. Men of integrity should know that if you're going to accuse people of doing something, you have specific examples. Here, they make an accusation -- publicly criticize the network -- and are repeatedly challenged to give even one example; they cannot do it but continue to make the accusation. The most charitable interpretation is that they don't understand the meaning of "public," somehow thinking it's anything more than one-on-one speaking. The reasonable interpretation is that they are bearing false witness.

[@IvanAlvarezCPACMA]

Wow! You know what you did. Repent for your many public "sins," but not one specific example.

[@FullProofTheology]

😂

[@gdot9046]

Sad to see Dave Bruskas and Doug Logan to act in this shameful manner.

[@thediamondcreeper7566]

You asked them to specify how you’ve been combative but then they kept asking you how you’ve been combative. Sounds like they they booted you based on feelings and vibes or a “collective overall reality”. 😦

[@jonherrera]

Acts 29 doesn't act like a church planting organization that has been in existence for 25 years. This is more than just disappointing.

[@truthseeker5698]

What is the Theology of Acts 29? We believe that through the work of the Holy Spirit, God will draw the elect to faith in his Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, graciously and effectually overcoming their stubborn resistance to the gospel so that they will most assuredly and willingly believe. Is this statement true?

[@minizimi3790]

According to notes from our members meeting, you are correct the call took place on a Tuesday. Specifically, Jan 17th 2023 at 3 pm.

[@FullProofTheology]

😂😂🙏🏼

[@loneyb11]

Someone got their feelings hurt and they wanted you gone. Can you imagine the letters that Paul would send Acts 29. Maybe that would be a fun exercise. Write them a letter as if you were Paul writing to them.

[@loneyb11]

This is what happens when business corrupts the church. I am 100% certain that Acts 29 is funding each of these Acts 29 leaders lavish lifestyles that they cannot obtain from their own churches.

[@atysinger]

43:24 the problem is if they were clear about what the lines were and made a particular view of missional or etc. then they would lose churches by the dozens.

[@misterjeff716]

Acts 29 leadership did not follow Scriptures. Matt. 18 says to go to your brother privately first. Etc.

[@edeancozzens3833]

In Matthew 20 Jesus taught against hierarchical type systems. I dont play that game any more.

[@williamalderson5328]

Amen!

[@JesusPeopleSF]

I have to say guys, you kind of should have seen this coming based on the foundation on which A29 was founded: Driscol's horrific personality-driven "church." That notwithstanding, this was wrong for A29 to do. I am not surprised because my own experience in A29 was terrible.

[@jimmybrowning4888]

You gave them hundreds of thousands of dollars, no, your congregation gave them that through you, and what did your congregation get for that money?

[@googIesux]

He said they were young, and I get that, but its sad how little sound, wise advice there is for young pastors. I keep hearing them describing having had to learn the hard way. There are so many questions that need to be asked about these kinds of para-church organizations.

[@samuelhaupt3217]

This made me quite angry

[@atysinger]

“Pattern of combative and critical” that somehow justified expulsion but was not sinful. Seems legit.

[@jordannewland5848]

These Acts 29 men are cowards

[@Seiskid]

Would have been better by far if they met up with you and asked you guys what you wanted moving forward. This was the opposite of that.

[@simonbrown1486]

That does not reflect well on Acts 29 leadership.

[@sallieborrink9067]

In retrospect, you will see this as a gift from God to be freed from a sick organization. Acts 29 has chosen their path and it is leading to their destruction. Be thankful you will not be further subjected to the mess to come.

[@JoseRuizMagic]

Wasn't Dave at Mars Hill with Driscoll?

[@Jshackett]

Yes.

[@pazu8728]

This is how todays leadership works across corporations (secular or religious). "You know what you have done". Leadership refuses to give details. Natural reaction is to over explain that "I am not what you said". Then leadership uses what you provide against you and continue to accuse you did the "wrong thing". Moving goal post in words "difference" become "attack", "good discussion" but " not acceptable", and "private discussion" becomes "pattern of public combative attacks" and so on and so forth. Bottomline decisions already been made. Leadership is here to tell you. Suck it up, please. Listening to this is like listening to HR dept laying off an employee. You do not deserve an explaining.

[@LeonardGarden]

Why were you not permitted to know the by-laws of the Acts 29 Network to which you were participants?

[@Richardcontramundum]

Love Matt's beard and hair. He's giving me a younger version of 'most interesting man in the world' vibe. Give'em a Dos Equis

[@FullProofTheology]

😂

[@MappingtheArchetypes]

Dude... those people on the call with y'all were incoherent. That's such a good example of using a lot of words to say nothing. They also did this thing where they kept returning to the idea that "all of them" or "the entire senior leadership" etc. as the lion's share of their argument. You'd ask questions on why, and they'd just say "we all think this" ...ok but why? That's a horrifying tell that an organization is off. They're appealing to authority and using the "well everyone here thinks this" as the argument. That's some culty stuff...

[@MappingtheArchetypes]

Also it sort of just sounds like you didn't line up with whatever political ideologies they were trying to promote through the veneer of a church plant organization.

[@googIesux]

This. They're there for the reason unbelievers get into seminaries: to educate and influence the educators, and thus whole flocks

[@Jordankulbeck]

There’s so many boys who had hands laid on them too early in really pretty suits given fancy positions out there, I was one of them in many ways. Also, I believe God can work through one local church without our propensity to make “larger” governments even if we believe it’s for the Kingdom.

[@j.heathlloyd8539]

I have no affiliation with Acts 29, never have -- and after listening to this crap I never will. Sad excuse for Christian leadership.

[@c.m.granger6870]

On a related note, why in the world are Christian ministers using foul language? Repent. Don’t just bleep it out. They won’t let you see the Acts 29 bi-laws? Crazy. You're better off without them.

[@ericedwards5034]

Because they're people who struggle with the flesh just like everyone else. And since he didn't use foul language towards you, you don't need to be part of his repentance.

[@c.m.granger6870]

@ericedwards8902 It doesn't matter if it was toward me. It's being broadcasted publicly. It's unbecoming his office. I guess that's the legacy of Mark Driscoll.

[@Mr2001ghost]

The apostle Paul uses a curse word in his letter to the Philippians. Jeremiah contains curse words in describing unrepentant Israel/Jerusalem. He was not calling down curses, he was a frustrated human being in a difficult situation.

[@c.m.granger6870]

@Mr2001ghost and what curse words were those in Hebrew and Greek? And since Paul himself (under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit) said to let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, he has violated this command? Or could it be, perhaps, you're mistaken? I'll go with the apostle Paul here.

[@truthseeker5698]

Are you two reformed / calvinists?

[@Jruuuuu]

Man such bad leadership

[@Birddog1689]

Brutal. I’ve seen reality show cat fights offer more substance and integrity than this delivery. Shameful denigration of the faith

[@Birddog1689]

That’s regarding the A29 team for the record

[@loneyb11]

Show them the by laws, passive aggression was “see how you did that?”

[@conceptualclarity]

I'm really sorry that you guys put hundreds of thousands of dollars down this rathole but you are better off out of this corrupt organization

[@akadwriter]

Ya, you are going in different directions. Acts 29 is running away from the Bible, and you seem to want to remain faithful to His Word.

[@FullProofTheology]

Only by His grace!

[@akadwriter]

@@FullProofTheology Amen!!

[@KingdomeBleachers]

Bros (to use their terms), you can't just be critiquing Russell Moore, interviewing guys like Stephen Wolfe or Samuel Sey. This messes with the image Acts29 is trying to convey to the world. You do that, and the high roller churches won't wanna join the network. Stop. Messing. With. Their. Money!

[@JesseStevenPollom]

VERY maturely handled gentlemen! There’s no excuse for how poorly they handled themselves. I’m proud of your self control. Also, it seems a bit disingenuous that y’all act like you have no clue what’s going on. They absolutely should have given specific examples, but at the same time when the black guy said “you all know what we’re talking about,” I think he’s right that y’all all know you’ve been an annoyance to them for quite some time. By no means does this justify their actions, but it comes across as dishonest that y’all act as if you’ve never ruffled their feathers. For the record, I think A29 is so woke that I couldn’t even have been in their network, so y’all already showed much more grace and patience than me simply by remaining in A29 and seeking to change from within. But to act as if you had no idea they were so turned off by your pushback seems borderline dishonest. Again, very well handled overall and I’m happy to call you faithful brothers!

[@FullProofTheology]

Thanks Jesse! Yes I heard from a friend about this confusion or an appearance of disingenuousness regarding this situation. I'll be addressing more of the context and details in a follow up episode.

[@JesseStevenPollom]

@@FullProofTheology Looking forward to it brother!

[@2wheelz3504]

Don't know about the Well Church but know some about Accts 29. I've listened to 25 minutes of this and still have no idea what you are talking about. What are the issues? That should have been reviewed up front unless you are playing to a small group of Christians. And, if that is the case why not take your discussion off-line. I was interested to know the foundation for the podcast and it still hasn't come to light - even during the first 10 minutes of the phone call. Not well done at all.

[@GodlessGubment]

you knew they were snakes and are surprised you were bitten

[@jetrpg22]

They just didn't expect the Sheppard to assist the snake.

[@nicobrits5111]

The Acts 29 guy doing the talking missed his calling. He should go into politics he talks like Justin Trudeau.

[@johnjelinek3983]

Perhaps y'all are not aware, schism is the Protestant way. From Luther, the Calvin, to Zwingli and beyond. 40k+ denominations, each claiming Sola Scriptura and inspiration of the Holy Spirit, while maintaining irreconcilable differences and incompatible soteriologies, this doesn't just occur out of thin air. When I talked to The Village Church staff about schism, they said, tongue-in-cheek, they call that "campus spinoffs"

[@sethevans1506]

Peak cringe and effeminacy from Acts29

[@datacipher]

Uh… don’t know what acts 29 is.. or any of you are, so I’ll just say it 25 minutes in: the one guy (sounds like the Black guy going by voice assumption) is outright lying through his teeth. I don’t have to sugar coat it. When he can’t confirm that “public” conversations were in fact private conversations - there you go. Total dishonesty right there. That isn’t an accident or a different perspective. His weasel words attempt to avoid it when trapped: Yeah I’m sticking by “public” I don’t even mean the private ones lol….

[@unkemptcasanova1476]

Wow. It legit sounds like they kicked you out because of Chase's social media posts (which they didn't like personally), and your so-called "combative nature" (which they couldn't provide evidence for). At the end of the day the call reads like a breakup, which sucks. I thought Matt was remarkably restrained giving how obviously pissed and hurt he was. Talk about being blind-sided. Hope you guys are doing better now, this really doesn't paint Acts 29 in a positive light. It very much sounds like a politically motivated decision, which is very worldly and petty. It's sad that a church planting organization is making decisions just like a corporation or government would.

[@CultrCnnundrm]

well brothers... at this point... there is a mantra that we should do well to remember... Get Woke, Go Broke... Acts 29, the moment they went woke, the lack of viable leaders, the reformed theology that mingled w/ feminist ideology and black liberation theology is where Acts 29 is. It's a woke movement governed by weak woke beta men who unfortunately are given way too much power and credence to be able to handle critique in a manner that is becoming of a leader. These men of Acts 29 are not leaders worth respecting. They have position. I've stopped associating w/ the likes of Chandler and Platt and those associated w/ Act 29 and the like because of their woke position as a theological stance. You guys would do well to simply disassociate and trust that God will carry The Well forward instead this woke joke organization. I'm sorry this happened but when you have woke leftists governing a prominent organization that fleeces the church than feeds it, expect it to burn down. I foresee it happening in the next few years.

[@TheSMEAC]

It all seems intentionally contrived doublespeak and mean hearted; certainly went off passive aggressive and effeminate. Dust you feet off brothers, I just feel horrible for the other guys in the cohort you all mentor and love.

[@Revolver1701]

Super secret bylaws. Can’t be specific. This is bad organizational behavior much less behavior of a church organization. Just an opinion but it sounds like Acts 29 folks don’t want to be specific because that opens them up to criticism on those points that may cause legitimate criticism from other people in their churches. This truly is, as you say, “disfellowshipping” by Acts 29 and you don’t know why. Bad business.

[@truthseeker5698]

Are you reformed/calvinists ?

[@kts_solboy6216]

It proves Israelites we’re in England and Ireland! Proves Druids we’re Israelites!

[@kts_solboy6216]

Thought this was about the scriptures.

[@atysinger]

Can’t expect biblical ecclesiastical accountability from an extra biblical, extra ecclesiastical arrangement.

[@GodlessGubment]

Sin is a myth - we are human and free

[@JP_21M]

Then why can't you stop sinning? Its almost like you are a slave or something... lol

[@hokieham]

Okay, sinner.

[@GodlessGubment]

Rock on you human being

[@SerenityNow22]

Someone kills your child in cold blood because they felt like it. Still sticking by this stupid statement?

[@yeoberry]

Freedom is a myth. We live in a universe of cause and effect.

[@G.O.A.T_EDITZZ_10]

I understand stand why they used the word unhinged. That word has varying degrees of understanding. When a pastor curses, I can see why someone would use that word.

[@peterxuereb9884]

Liar, is there anything in scripture that Jesus said, which could be or should be treated as trivial and not necessary for salvation????

[@peterxuereb9884]

@C P I don't particularly care about why they were removed from site all I do know is that they being protestant have no Authority to preach and teach scripture, what ever else they do I don't care but I am calling them out on their so called preaching and teaching Authority as they claim because they have none.

[@peterxuereb9884]

@CP-dk8oi No, I'm not ordained, like all Grifter protestant leaders are not ordained nor do I have Authority like any Grifter protestant leader has Authority I am just an everyday Catholic trying his best to live out his life in truth, in the way the bible says rather than in the way I think it say's which is the protestant way misinterpretation of scripture to suit their perversion. Because your issue is the same like any protestant, believing that Authority, is not something that is God given, but rather anyone can claim it for themselves, and presto they have Authority. In truth and therefore in reality that is not the case but rather a lie, something that only GRIFTERS would say and claim they have but they have none. I have provided you with several section's of scripture, that you and all protestant's refuse to accept, by your own action's. Truth does not change just because you want it to. The problem with protestantism, is that it reads the bible Subjectively in what it thinks it say's, instead of Objectively; as in what it actually says. My suggestion to you is to read these section of scripture as if it was Jesus Himself talking to you directly, in doing so with an ounce of humility, you will recognise what Jesus is saying. The first section John ch 5 has to do with the Authority that Jesus has which comes from God the Father, it is because of that Authority, that what Jesus said in John ch 6 that, unless people do what is said here then people won't be saved even if they are baptised. And in John 20 and Matthew 28 Jesus passes on that same Authority to the Apostles, that unless they believe again they will not be saved. I also add where it is emphasised and emplored of Peter Authority as the head of the Church in Luke 22 vrs 31,32. _______________________________________ John ch 5 vrs 16-42 16 It was because he did things like this on the Sabbath that the Jews began to harass Jesus. 17 His answer to them was, 'My Father still goes on working, and I am at work, too.' 18 But that only made the Jews even more intent on killing him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he spoke of God as his own Father and so made himself God's equal. 19 To this Jesus replied: In all truth I tell you, by himself the Son can do nothing; he can do only what he sees the Father doing: and whatever the Father does the Son does too. 20 For the Father loves the Son and shows him everything he himself does, and he will show him even greater things than these, works that will astonish you. 21 Thus, as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so the Son gives life to anyone he chooses; 22 for the Father judges no one; he has entrusted all judgement to the Son, 23 so that all may honour the Son as they honour the Father. Whoever refuses honour to the Son refuses honour to the Father who sent him. 24 In all truth I tell you, whoever listens to my words, and believes in the one who sent me, has eternal life; without being brought to judgement such a person has passed from death to life. 25 In all truth I tell you, the hour is coming -- indeed it is already here -- when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and all who hear it will live. 26 For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself; 27 and, because he is the Son of man, has granted him power to give judgement. 28 Do not be surprised at this, for the hour is coming when the dead will leave their graves at the sound of his voice: 29 those who did good will come forth to life; and those who did evil will come forth to judgement. 30 By myself I can do nothing; I can judge only as I am told to judge, and my judging is just, because I seek to do not my own will but the will of him who sent me. 31 Were I to testify on my own behalf, my testimony would not be true; 32 but there is another witness who speaks on my behalf, and I know that his testimony is true. 33 You sent messengers to John, and he gave his testimony to the truth- 34 not that I depend on human testimony; no, it is for your salvation that I mention it. 35 John was a lamp lit and shining and for a time you were content to enjoy the light that he gave. 36 But my testimony is greater than John's: the deeds my Father has given me to perform, these same deeds of mine testify that the Father has sent me. 37 Besides, the Father who sent me bears witness to me himself. You have never heard his voice, you have never seen his shape, 38 and his word finds no home in you because you do not believe in the one whom he has sent. 39 You pore over the scriptures, believing that in them you can find eternal life; it is these scriptures that testify to me, 40 and yet you refuse to come to me to receive life! 41 Human glory means nothing to me. 42 Besides, I know you too well: you have no love of God in you. ____________________________________ John ch 6 vrs 44-59 44 'No one can come to me unless drawn by the Father who sent me, and I will raise that person up on the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets: They will all be taught by God; everyone who has listened to the Father, and learnt from him, comes to me. 46 Not that anybody has seen the Father, except him who has his being from God: he has seen the Father. 47 In all truth I tell you, everyone who believes has eternal life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate manna in the desert and they are dead; 50 but this is the bread which comes down from heaven, so that a person may eat it and not die. 51 I am the living bread which has come down from heaven. Anyone who eats this bread will live for ever; and the bread that I shall give is my flesh, for the life of the world.' 52 Then the Jews started arguing among themselves, 'How can this man give us his flesh to eat?' 53 Jesus replied to them: In all truth I tell you, if you do not eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Anyone who does eat my flesh and drink my blood has eternal life, and I shall raise that person up on the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood lives in me and I live in that person. 57 As the living Father sent me and I draw life from the Father, so whoever eats me will also draw life from me. 58 This is the bread which has come down from heaven; it is not like the bread our ancestors ate: they are dead, but anyone who eats this bread will live for ever. 59 This is what he taught at Capernaum in the synagogue. __________________________________________ John ch 20 vrs 19-23 19 In the evening of that same day, the first day of the week, the doors were closed in the room where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews. Jesus came and stood among them. He said to them, 'Peace be with you,' 20 and, after saying this, he showed them his hands and his side. The disciples were filled with joy at seeing the Lord, 21 and he said to them again, 'Peace be with you. 'As the Father sent me, so am I sending you.' 22 After saying this he breathed on them and said: Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive anyone's sins, they are forgiven; if you retain anyone's sins, they are retained ____________________________________ Matthew ch 16 vrs 13- 20 13 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi he put this question to his disciples, 'Who do people say the Son of man is?' 14 And they said, 'Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.' 15 'But you,' he said, 'who do you say I am?' 16 Then Simon Peter spoke up and said, 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.' 17 Jesus replied, 'Simon son of Jonah, you are a blessed man! Because it was no human agency that revealed this to you but my Father in heaven. 18 So I now say to you: You are Peter and on this rock I will build my community. And the gates of the underworld can never overpower it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of Heaven: whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven; whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.' 20 Then he gave the disciples strict orders not to say to anyone that he was the Christ ___________________________________ Matthew ch 28 vrs 17-20 17 When they saw him they fell down before him, though some hesitated. 18 Jesus came up and spoke to them. He said, 'All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Go, therefore, make disciples of all nations; baptise them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teach them to observe all the commands I gave you. And look, I am with you always; yes, to the end of time. Luke 22 vrs 31 'Simon, Simon! Look, Satan has got his wish to sift you all like wheat; 32 but I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith may not fail, and once you have recovered, you in your turn must strengthen your brothers.'

[@peterxuereb9884]

@CP-dk8oi All protestants do not teach and preach the truth because they have no Authority. There are people who are not Catholic priests who also preach and teach, but when they contradict Truth, then they are in error. Regarding Authority, one would have to be a priest to hear confessions; as Jesus said, "Who's sin's you forgive they are forgiven, who's sin's you retain they are retained. That Authority was given to the Apostles it was from and with the Apostles that the Catholic Church came to be. It is only a priest who can perform marriages it is not up to the state nor up to those who are protestant or of any faith since Jesus said marriage is a Sacrament and as a Sacrament only a priest has that Authority to conduct. Also, the last rites are a Sacrament of which only a Catholic priest has that Authority. My comments are all about Authority, which I have proven time and time again, of which only a Catholic priest has. Although preaching and teaching are a different matter, I put it to you that they are just as much essential, that the preaching and teaching must also be done by someone who apart from, having Authority must also know what they are talking about, protestants and protestantism have no knowledge of Truth, if they all did they would all preach and teach the same Truth, but they do not. If they did preach and teach the same truth there would not be 50000+ different protestant denominations, faiths, beliefs, religions, and theologies. Just like in a school, all teachers teach that 1+1=2 there would not be any different teaching and so the same with teaching and preaching about the bible, all would the same. It is not God who lies by having 50000+protestant denominations, faiths, beliefs, and religions. It is protestant and protestantism, "a man made construct," which lies, whereas the Catholic Church is One, therefore there is no contradiction. Therefore, it is God inspired. And the gates of hell will not over power it. Matthew 16 vrs 18

[@abidingi]

Why are you arguing with people that don’t feel comfortable with your way obvious no compatability. It’s not a fit right now. Maybe trust God with your reputation. You just said you don’t like their posture, why don’t you just leave and stop being a victim, trust God , who judges righteously!

[@ericedwards5034]

They're not being "victims" and had not been addressing this publicly. But when the network keeps saying that they were "unhinged" and "out of control", they have every right to set the record straight.

[@Given119]

... may you never experience this type of manipulative, heartbreaking circumstance, and have someone speak such... Words, as you have in this comment.

[@truthseeker5698]

Acts 29 promotes/ propagates calvinism.

[@makedisciples8653]

That’s where the problem began.