9mm +P vs 10mm: Didn't Expect These Results

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Banana Ballistics

Banana Ballistics

5 күн бұрын

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On this episode of Ultimate Barrier Testing, we will be comparing the performance of 9mm +P to 10mm on 5 different targets. Each target is worth 20 points, for a grand total of 100 points. Whichever cartridge ends up with the highest score will be the winner. Testing was setup at 10 yards. Thanks for watching!
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*These tests are meant for entertainment and educational purposes only. Do not try any of these tests at home! Always verify your firearm is rated for and can safely fire any ammunition that you intend to use. Always follow standard safety procedures when handling Any firearm.
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@bananaballistics
@bananaballistics 4 күн бұрын
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@PotatoeJoe69
@PotatoeJoe69 3 күн бұрын
I would be VERY interested to see .380 +p vs standard 9mm ammo. On paper, they're nearly identical.
@mhughes1160
@mhughes1160 3 күн бұрын
This wood knot be a fair comparison IMO . LoL 😂
@PotatoeJoe69
@PotatoeJoe69 3 күн бұрын
@@mhughes1160 bullet weight, diameter, and velocity are identical on paper, or at least very near identical..... I just want to see how they do against each other
@mhughes1160
@mhughes1160 3 күн бұрын
@@PotatoeJoe69 wood 🪵 knot 🪢 LoL 😂
@johnryan6658
@johnryan6658 22 сағат бұрын
Why are you still not listing the bullet weight and load of the rounds in these tests? Without those key pieces of information, these tests are meaningless and useless.
@Lagassejames
@Lagassejames 3 күн бұрын
When you strike a knot another shot should be taken, the knot is much harder and will drastically effect the bullet. When using sand, place a piece of cardboard at the 2” and 4” mark which will give an indication of which penetrated further giving better data.
@petesheppard1709
@petesheppard1709 3 күн бұрын
Yep. I saw that knot and went, 'Oh no'.
@fritzd2116
@fritzd2116 3 күн бұрын
Agreed. Knots equal retest.
@petesheppard1709
@petesheppard1709 3 күн бұрын
@@fritzd2116 Unless they have worked with wood, folks don't realize just how hard knots are.
@tagg946
@tagg946 3 күн бұрын
@@petesheppard1709 i was using a 2x4 as a target for my .22 with subsonics loaded, one round hit a knot and shattered into pieces while only putting a small dent in the wood. was impressive. normally, the subsonics fly straight through the 2 inches of wood like its butter.
@rebelsqk
@rebelsqk 3 күн бұрын
Would not be difficult to use wood blocks with very small or no knots. Couple bucks more per dozen...
@jaysnipr107
@jaysnipr107 3 күн бұрын
If you pull the sandbox, a clay block would be a cool alternative.
@ashe1.070
@ashe1.070 2 күн бұрын
Good idea!
@calebshaffer2283
@calebshaffer2283 2 күн бұрын
This is something I'd be for as well. I don't mind the sandbox at all. But, replacing it with a clay block for pistol rounds would be interesting.
@SuperCoopdogg
@SuperCoopdogg 2 күн бұрын
It absolutely would. I dont think ive ever seen a pistol round go through the sandbox. Even if a round didnt go through a certain depth of clay you would be able to see the energy dump in it.
@rolexr
@rolexr 22 сағат бұрын
Yess...would be really impressive because no handgun round can make it through the sandbox! It´s always just a hole on the front!
@bdr32965
@bdr32965 20 сағат бұрын
Hoo Tee Who uses clay blocks in his videos, it's pretty cool to see some of the damage certain caliber bullets cause
@pewpew9193
@pewpew9193 3 күн бұрын
10mm & 5.7x28 are the calibers that suffer most from "pudloading". A lot of the factory ammo is just painfully underloaded. Luckily, there are some high quality boutique rounds Buffalo Bore & Underwood (10mm), Vanguard & Elite Ammunition (5.7x28) or some good ole self rolls to solve that issue.
@RNG-999
@RNG-999 3 күн бұрын
I EDC 10mm and I use DoubleTap. They have the best prices with the best performance. All the way up to 800 ft-lbs if you want.
@pewpew9193
@pewpew9193 3 күн бұрын
@@RNG-999 Yea I've shot some Double Tap 10mm & recently some weird 9mm. It's 165 total grains, with like a 115 Grain JHP & a 50 grain disk behind it. It was too weird not to try.
@kazimierzspaczynski7401
@kazimierzspaczynski7401 3 күн бұрын
I reload 9mm so powder is always the same weight. Never under loaded.
@whatsmolly5741
@whatsmolly5741 3 күн бұрын
That's crap my man, they load them like that because that's what people buy..... because all the .45 and 10mm fan boys just like telling everyone they carry them bigger calibers and not actually shooting 750 foot pound loads out of a handgun. Yes .45 and 10 mm can be more powerful but the factory loads don't lie, people are actually buying loads that are below 9mm +p Buffalo bore has the spiciest of spicy loads but it's a small market.
@pewpew9193
@pewpew9193 3 күн бұрын
@whatsmolly5741 I'm afraid you have no idea what you're talking about. People buy it because it's all they can afford, or because they simply don't know any better. Nobody buys a 10mm to shoot .40.
@erictownsend4236
@erictownsend4236 3 күн бұрын
Would like to see a match-up between 3 calibers. 357 sig, 357 mag., and 10mm.
@RNG-999
@RNG-999 3 күн бұрын
.357 sig isn't even near the same power as the .357 mag or 10mm.... It genuinely irritates me when people compare it. It's like same power as .45ACP +P
@JonRangel87
@JonRangel87 3 күн бұрын
Those are cartridges. Not calibers
@Salieri47
@Salieri47 3 күн бұрын
Factory .357sig is very close to factory .357mag.
@jamesdmyrick5809
@jamesdmyrick5809 3 күн бұрын
357. Mag will win
@jasonchatham4170
@jasonchatham4170 3 күн бұрын
This
@senormusica81Gaming
@senormusica81Gaming 3 күн бұрын
the clarity of your ballistics gel is getting more and more impressive! not sure why others do not appreciate the sandbox test, that's some legit testing methodology. its why the military uses sandbags, that stuff stops bullets hardcore.
@md_vandenberg
@md_vandenberg 3 күн бұрын
For pistol rounds, I think the sand test should be dropped. We know 6-inches of sand will stop common pistol rounds. Rifle rounds are the only ones to stand a chance.
@RNG-999
@RNG-999 3 күн бұрын
"The clarity of your ballistics gel"... He just bought it from Midway USA. They sell clear ballistics gel in various forms.
@fatalvenomX
@fatalvenomX 3 күн бұрын
@@RNG-999stuff is still expensive, it being clearer showcases he’s either better able to maintain the supply of fresh gel for these vids or has gotten better at recycling used blocks and still having them be fairly clear. Could even be mixing and moulding them himself.
@senormusica81Gaming
@senormusica81Gaming 3 күн бұрын
@@md_vandenberg his video on the .44spl and .44mag showed that (one or both?) of those went through the sandbox. but yeah, common semi-auto handgun calibers 6" sand sand will stop
@senormusica81Gaming
@senormusica81Gaming 3 күн бұрын
@@RNG-999 in some of the previous videos it's not that clear
@milochindary29
@milochindary29 3 күн бұрын
THE BUTTERFLIES KILLED THE CATERPILLARS!!!
@nonconsensualopinion
@nonconsensualopinion 3 күн бұрын
They ate wormy!
@redfaux74
@redfaux74 3 күн бұрын
😢😫
@kevinross7311
@kevinross7311 3 күн бұрын
How about replacing the sandbox with some sort of clay that can show you the amount of energy on target and it can be measured by the width of the impact and the depth
@danielrobey1759
@danielrobey1759 3 күн бұрын
I recall in the late 90's shooting into the rootball of a good sized tree that had been grubbed out with a bulldozer, range was about 50 yards and I was using my 338/06 AI shooting 200 gr speers for a fire forming load, I was able to dig the bullets out and evaluate their expansion. Clay would be a great test medium, not sure where Mr Banana man lives but clay is generally pretty easy to come up with....
@jordanhorst6
@jordanhorst6 3 күн бұрын
unfortunately, other than underwood and Buffalo-Bore, most 10mm is underloaded by factories, basically performs like 40sw.
@ap1s2k78
@ap1s2k78 3 күн бұрын
Yup I can get rounds for my .40 that perform almost like 10mm too. Double tap 135 grains at 1450fps is cooking.
@jordanfreeman4170
@jordanfreeman4170 3 күн бұрын
@@ap1s2k78 Yeah double tap has some wild rounds my 10mm loads from them (granted still pretty similar to.40) I think my 135g 10mm from them is 1600 fps. But the LCD 60g 2400 fps rounds are nasty.
@modakkagitplugga
@modakkagitplugga 3 күн бұрын
Been loving these Extreme Defenders from Underwood. 1700 fps and 115 grains
@MalleusSemperVictor
@MalleusSemperVictor 3 күн бұрын
I really wanted to be the "Um, Akshuyally" guy but you're right and I hate it.
@RNG-999
@RNG-999 3 күн бұрын
@@jordanfreeman4170 I literally EDC that DoubleTap 135gr controlled expansion round, lol. Gets 1650 FPS out of my 4.67" ported barrel.
@anan0moose
@anan0moose 3 күн бұрын
My uncle finally succeeded in getting rid of our ant problem. He had to go through divorce court.
@mikewithers299
@mikewithers299 3 күн бұрын
🤣🤣
@johnwurfel2862
@johnwurfel2862 8 сағат бұрын
LoL
@Metalgearmadness
@Metalgearmadness 3 күн бұрын
10mm is still impressive even though you weren't using full power loads and bleeding velocity with the 20C.
@bananaballistics
@bananaballistics 2 күн бұрын
I’ll agree the 20c bled some of the velocity, but these are the hottest I could load before getting a Glock smile on the cases
@opinionsvary
@opinionsvary Күн бұрын
A little unheard of to see someone walk away from one hit of 10mm like with 2 or three hits of the 9mm. The only thing that matters the most is penetration. Stopped bullets in their terminal ballistic stage is like a shitting fat vs a solid turd in your underwear when a 10mm comes to play. Oh, well can't tell some people anything & all their analysis articulates their desired outcome to keep mythical minds secure.
@opinionsvary
@opinionsvary Күн бұрын
You can over achieve easier with .40 caliber. It's just a matter of powder vs bullet weight. 138 gr can exceed 1,800 fps in 40S&W. 10mm can take 180gr just as far. 9mm in a 130gr or 158gr aren't all that remarkable, 164gr - 180gr probably be impossible. Why waste time on a insufficient caliber round?
@johnryan6658
@johnryan6658 21 сағат бұрын
​@@opinionsvary Caliber is the least relevant metric in penetration tests. The key relevant factors are velocity, energy, sectional density, and bullet construction.
@saltysaty8686
@saltysaty8686 6 сағат бұрын
​@@opinionsvary I've heard enough interviews with people who have got shot 15 times with 45 and have shot people 30+ times with a 45 before putting them down. Its not about the rounds its about shot placement.
@anthonyalmeida3658
@anthonyalmeida3658 3 күн бұрын
10 mm is supposed to be 200 gr bullet at 1200 fps per original loading. If your load doesn't do that, then it's no 10 mm, just a 40 S&W equivalent.
@jacobackley502
@jacobackley502 3 күн бұрын
Lots of folks have chronoed the original 200gr Norma loads. They run about 1100 fps. 1200 was always optimistic
@fatalvenomX
@fatalvenomX 3 күн бұрын
He chronographed the round he was using at the end, those 10mm rounds are definitely within 10mm spec with 180 grains hitting 1240fps avg putting out 616ft/lbs which is about what you’d get from standard underwood 10mm. Only their exotic line is packing more punch.
@johnandrewserranogarcia7223
@johnandrewserranogarcia7223 3 күн бұрын
Keep in mind that he was using a compact 10mm, not a full sized 10mm with the longer barrel.
@rsbreeze
@rsbreeze 3 күн бұрын
I run 165g @ 1700 fps....... it's screaming!
@rsbreeze
@rsbreeze 3 күн бұрын
​@fatalvenomX that's what I get out of my plinking rounds, cause the Berry plated bullet is only rated for 1250 fps
@Alan-hb8pd
@Alan-hb8pd 3 күн бұрын
You should take all the old steel plates and weld them to the protection screen you have. That way you have protection from anything coming back at you
@TheDarkSkorpion
@TheDarkSkorpion 3 күн бұрын
Good idea. He could even just zip tie them using the bullet holes, if he doesn't wanna weld them.
@Alan-hb8pd
@Alan-hb8pd 3 күн бұрын
@TheDarkSkorpion didn't even think of that, that makes the job even easier
@NatureMan50
@NatureMan50 3 күн бұрын
9mm shot into knot of wood
@deaconblooze1
@deaconblooze1 3 күн бұрын
Wood you knot?
@rossfelton1955
@rossfelton1955 3 күн бұрын
Ww2 US tankers, actually tied sand bags on their tanks to increase their survival against the very powerful panzers. Sand is a very good heavy bullet stopper.
@williamkowalchik572
@williamkowalchik572 3 күн бұрын
12" will stop a 50cal.
@Charon-5582
@Charon-5582 3 күн бұрын
They tested it during the war. It doesn't help. The added weight does cause more transmission and driveline problems though. They let the crews keep it though because it made them feel better.
@VolkerHett
@VolkerHett 3 күн бұрын
Back when I was in the german navy I learned one complex lesson. 9x19mm is fine in a Uzi, 7.62x51 is ok in a G3 but better in a MG3 and when you want to make an impression you start with 76 (no dot!) mm and work your way up to AGM 84! I have to admit though, lightweight torpedos are hard to use on a gun range 😄
@steveshouse392
@steveshouse392 3 күн бұрын
You hit that knot on the 6x6. Not surprised that it didn’t go through that. I’ve had knots completely seize up power tools/saws.
@jasonmorris2813
@jasonmorris2813 3 күн бұрын
Use books or magazines pre soaked
@bpuaz
@bpuaz 3 күн бұрын
I have no problem with the sandbox test its a kinda useless for pistol testing but am not so impatient that its a issue for me. The guy who criticises everything in the bathroom though his a good laugh👍
@chaseshay2307
@chaseshay2307 3 күн бұрын
I love this man's sense of humor lol
@papmaster8874
@papmaster8874 3 күн бұрын
that Queen 👑 ant would make a great Merch character
@alanmurdock4319
@alanmurdock4319 3 күн бұрын
+p 9 against real 10 mm, is no contest. I have both, love both. But it is like shooting 308 against 300 mag. And yes I have those too.
@egregiousblunder5395
@egregiousblunder5395 3 күн бұрын
The 10mm ammo needs to me hand loaded to old Norma spec, or needs to be from Underwood for these tests.
@RNG-999
@RNG-999 3 күн бұрын
Don't buy BuffaloBore, the owners are cucks. Underwood, DoubleTap, and Liberty make the best. The price of hand-loading is actually about equal to just buying from DoubleTap in-bulk.
@jasonshults368
@jasonshults368 2 күн бұрын
Glocks are hard on brass with full power loads
@egregiousblunder5395
@egregiousblunder5395 Күн бұрын
@@jasonshults368 Not all of them, depends on the Gen.
@anon-means-anon
@anon-means-anon 13 сағат бұрын
He said he loaded them right under getting pressure signs in another comment.
@egregiousblunder5395
@egregiousblunder5395 12 сағат бұрын
@@anon-means-anon It's going to vary across different manuals. The manuals for years have been stepping down the actual loads for many cartridges. I use new Starline brass when I do Normal spec loads from the 80's when 10mm was 10mm.
@crazycoffee
@crazycoffee 2 күн бұрын
My 10mm loads are 180g hollow point and about 700-750ft lbs of energy. With the stiffer spring in my glock it really roars and shows the truth of 10mm in its original spec
@christianarrington6492
@christianarrington6492 3 күн бұрын
I was also unaware you had a camera in my bathroom
@TheDarkSkorpion
@TheDarkSkorpion 3 күн бұрын
I wasn't. We all know what you do in there. Patreon has it's benefits.
@christianarrington6492
@christianarrington6492 3 күн бұрын
@@TheDarkSkorpion you're right. I should really get paid for my digital japanese toilet asmr
@10GaugeManiac
@10GaugeManiac Күн бұрын
"You'll still have an ant problem" *Laughs in flamethrower and molten aluminum*
@TransformersHoarder
@TransformersHoarder 3 күн бұрын
The best 9mm +P++ is no doubt 357 Sig. Would love to see a match against 10mm
@kevinrichardson8859
@kevinrichardson8859 3 күн бұрын
That's misinformation...the best 9mm +p+ is NOT 357sig!!! The best 9mm +p+ (safe) will propel a 124/125 grain bullet at 1300 or so fps....357sig loaded properly can easily reach 1500 fps with the same weight bullet fun facts 👍
@TransformersHoarder
@TransformersHoarder 3 күн бұрын
@@kevinrichardson8859 maybe I should’ve said best 9mm +P++++ is 357 Sig.
@kevinrichardson8859
@kevinrichardson8859 3 күн бұрын
@TransformersHoarder 9mm+p++++ will likely blow your gun up and maybe take parts of your hand with it...if you feel the need to add that many pluses....maybe it's smarter to get a more powerful gun??? 🤔
@TransformersHoarder
@TransformersHoarder 3 күн бұрын
@@kevinrichardson8859 stuff goes right over your head all the time, doesn’t it…….
@TransformersHoarder
@TransformersHoarder 3 күн бұрын
Maybe you don’t know that 357 Sig is a 9mm projectile?
@yukon065
@yukon065 3 күн бұрын
Love the videos. The humidity reminded of growing up in St. Louis. I now live in the desert in Utah, and a couple of days ago the humidity was only 9%. I'll take the dry heat any day.
@Scott-kc5fg
@Scott-kc5fg 2 күн бұрын
Fellow Utah resident and dry heat any day over heat and humidity.
@jeffreylocke8808
@jeffreylocke8808 3 күн бұрын
The 44 Special and 45 Colt both made it through the sand in the sand in the box test.
@tonyromano6220
@tonyromano6220 3 күн бұрын
Why?
@camarokidbb4347
@camarokidbb4347 3 күн бұрын
@@tonyromano6220High mass and relatively low kinetic energy means they wouldn’t destroy themselves going through the sand. Higher velocity may improve anti-armored personnel performance, but higher round weight improves penetration in general.
@fatalvenomX
@fatalvenomX 3 күн бұрын
The fine particles of sand basically act like a solid version of hydro-shock. The low velocity means they don’t displace so much volume so fast they destroy themselves while their weight gives them enough momentum to keep going until they make it through.
@camarokidbb4347
@camarokidbb4347 Күн бұрын
@@fatalvenomX Thanks for the explanation. Mine was mostly (educated) guesswork.
@irafowlerjr.7492
@irafowlerjr.7492 2 күн бұрын
Another great test and info, thanks 😊
@williamgaines9784
@williamgaines9784 3 күн бұрын
The queen ant declares, "Your concrete spalling has ZERO effect on my relentless egg production! And, thanks to your sand box tests, I will move my chambers to 8 inches from the surface! AHAHAH HA HA!"🐜
@guitarlessonswith4480
@guitarlessonswith4480 3 күн бұрын
No one doubts a 10mm has more stopping power. But, 1) Your accuracy will drop, and hits matter more than noise. 2) It's well over $1 per round for a decent 10mm which limits practice. 3) It's a far less common round, so good luck when supply dwindles or society breaks down.
@areyoutheregoditsmedave
@areyoutheregoditsmedave 3 күн бұрын
this sounds like a comment a bear would make 🤔
@gabek1381
@gabek1381 3 күн бұрын
Devils advocate: in the early days of COVID 10mm was easier to get than 9mm. The price argument and the accuracy argument are legitimate.
@johnandrewserranogarcia7223
@johnandrewserranogarcia7223 3 күн бұрын
"It's a far less common round," I hear this silly excuse all the time. The fact that there are less guns shooting it also means that the supply dwindles down slower. In the last couple of ammo shortages we saw that the first ammo to disappear from shelves were the most popular rounds. People buying uncommon guns were able to find ammo for their guns on shelves after the common calibers had already run out. The .41 magnum, 5.7x28mm, .357 SIG, etc. people were having an easier time in the early stages of the shortages than 9mm, .45 acp, 38 spl people. What this tells us is that if you cared so much about supply dwindling then you'd buy multiple guns in a variety of calibers.
@guitarlessonswith4480
@guitarlessonswith4480 3 күн бұрын
@@areyoutheregoditsmedave Hahaha. You got me!
@guitarlessonswith4480
@guitarlessonswith4480 3 күн бұрын
@@gabek1381 Fair enough friend
@solomongrundy9735
@solomongrundy9735 3 күн бұрын
That's one nice box of compaints!
@wodenswheelgun3278
@wodenswheelgun3278 3 күн бұрын
Instead of getting rid of the sand test why not use different thicknesses to see how each caliber can make it through.
@J0K3-R
@J0K3-R 3 күн бұрын
10mm underwood or buffalo boar hard cast
@tannerfoust2346
@tannerfoust2346 3 күн бұрын
Sandbox would be cool if it was multiple thin boxes lined up. 1” thick max per box, the cubes are always going to be holding too much sand.
@jasonmcclish2580
@jasonmcclish2580 3 күн бұрын
I say keep the sand . For one, it's your channel two it's a real-world barrier that has to be worried about.
@Stylepoints71
@Stylepoints71 2 күн бұрын
Your editing is top-notch. And you're hilarious. Thanks!
@callumbush1
@callumbush1 3 күн бұрын
Knots are harder than the wood around it.
@HUMBLEMANTRYING
@HUMBLEMANTRYING 3 күн бұрын
Great video and great humor!
@oifmarinesgt
@oifmarinesgt 2 күн бұрын
It amazes me that the 45 ACP is almost never talked about. I have always believed and known for a fact that a 45 caliber pistol has more stopping force than a 9 mm and even a 10. Why they hatred for the 45 so much?
@bobbarker5884
@bobbarker5884 3 күн бұрын
Loving your channel brother!!
@Thousand_yard_King
@Thousand_yard_King 2 күн бұрын
Considering most 10 mm cartridges are loaded 40 caliber capacities or less, that 10 mm is not anywhere near its maximum knockdown power. I guarantee it
@kevinrichardson8859
@kevinrichardson8859 2 күн бұрын
Try 357sig vs 10mm...i think youd be surprised
@thefink1990
@thefink1990 3 күн бұрын
Battle of the lever actions. 30-30 vs 35 rem vs 45-70
@timclaus8313
@timclaus8313 7 сағат бұрын
Add the 32 Win Special
@scottroder5516
@scottroder5516 2 күн бұрын
Like the way you just do the testing, no bs lead in. Great video
@luckythirteen77
@luckythirteen77 3 күн бұрын
Easily your best work yet you sir, are hilarious and informative.
@roybiv7018
@roybiv7018 4 сағат бұрын
Why it looks burnt in the gel. When the squishy stuff goes back to shape, it raises the pressure. It's called *adiabatic heating*. Molecules in hot gasses are farther apart and less dense (that's how hot air balloons work). If you squish the molecules together, rapidly, they they heat up, like an air compressor or diesel engine. The opposite is when uncompressing a gas. When you spray canned air on your hand, the gasses take energy from you (feels cold).
@WHEELGUNNER1
@WHEELGUNNER1 3 күн бұрын
9mm guys are already crying and stomping their feet. KNOT FAIR!!! (pun intended)
@lardomcfarty9866
@lardomcfarty9866 3 күн бұрын
Don't you guys always make the excuse that the 10mm is underloaded?
@WHEELGUNNER1
@WHEELGUNNER1 3 күн бұрын
@@lardomcfarty9866 I don't underload it, but realistically 9mm will never be able to keep up with 10mm - bigger bullet, more case capacity... I have loads that push a 180 gr. Speer Gold Dot to 1350 fps safely. Not bashing 9mm but it will never be 10mm.
@lardomcfarty9866
@lardomcfarty9866 2 күн бұрын
@@WHEELGUNNER1 I know, 10mm is a great round. I don't have one yet, but I definitely want one. Has actual practical advantage over 9mm în some cases.
@crazycoffee
@crazycoffee 2 күн бұрын
​​@@lardomcfarty986610mm was cut down for a reason. The standard rounds are still below spec. Blame the feds for being wimps
@dbx1233
@dbx1233 20 сағат бұрын
I hate shooting pressure treated lumber because the hole created by the projectile, allows all the pressure to escape.
@dannyalexander2241
@dannyalexander2241 3 күн бұрын
.357 Sig would have been closer probably…. They might as well have called it “9mm magnum”. 😂
@Balticblue93
@Balticblue93 2 күн бұрын
It would definitely punched through that second plate. I have seen .357 Sig punch through many targets that only Underwood 10mm could get through. They scorch when loaded hot and a good projectile is used. An Extreme Penetrator is one of my favorite. Extreme Defender will work for EDC otherwise.
@dannyalexander2241
@dannyalexander2241 2 күн бұрын
@@Balticblue93 it really is a decent round. The bottleneck shape would make it feed well I would imagine in a carbine or SMG…. Wonder why no one has done that yet? Maybe they have and I’m not aware or it’s something obscure. I probably buy either 😂
@bobwilson758
@bobwilson758 3 күн бұрын
You have quite the artistic talent ! Good videos too - thanks man .
@arloalps6215
@arloalps6215 3 күн бұрын
I love the sand box test. So little can get thru it & that sand bags work better than anything else to protect you.
@REexpert44
@REexpert44 3 күн бұрын
45 Super vs 10mm pls
@randelmcmillin6957
@randelmcmillin6957 3 күн бұрын
8mm mauser vs 308!
@donwyoming1936
@donwyoming1936 3 күн бұрын
More like 303 vs 8mm Mauser vs 7.62X54R vs 7.7X58 Japanese vs 7.5X54 French vs 30-06 M2
@fatalvenomX
@fatalvenomX 3 күн бұрын
@@donwyoming1936see he gets it
@timclaus8313
@timclaus8313 7 сағат бұрын
@@donwyoming1936 As long as the test is with Norma 8mm. At least that is up to a military loading for heat.
@weathermanwx9199
@weathermanwx9199 3 күн бұрын
My suggestion: Replace the sandbox with fabric (like sheets or denim) or copy paper so you can count the layers they penetrated if they get stopped.
@jonnythunder76
@jonnythunder76 17 сағат бұрын
I laughed so hard at that wall break while sitting on the toilet
@christianarrington6492
@christianarrington6492 3 күн бұрын
9mm +p has my vote
@alfredoverno9674
@alfredoverno9674 3 күн бұрын
I subbed. ive been watching you. wait that sounded creeper. haha. you rock. great reviews brother.
@robertgantry2118
@robertgantry2118 3 күн бұрын
I'd still take a 10mm over a 9mm. Impact energy is something few people talk about, and it's very important.
@Daniel-qe8qe
@Daniel-qe8qe 3 күн бұрын
Nah, ill take more capacity, smaller weapon profile and less recoil.
@XRakkgruntX
@XRakkgruntX 3 күн бұрын
I’m a 10mm owner, have been for 34 years and though in a barricaded situation the 10mm would be the clear choice. I’d take the 9mm+p for the capacity, the damage to organs is very close so I’d prefer more rounds on target, less recoil.
@Kriss_L
@Kriss_L 3 күн бұрын
@@XRakkgruntX Standard Glock 20 in 10mm is 15 rounds vs 17 rounds for a Glock 17. If that difference in capacity comes into play, you have bigger issues to deal with.
@robertgantry2118
@robertgantry2118 3 күн бұрын
@@Daniel-qe8qe - Glock 20 carries 15 rounds.
@robertgantry2118
@robertgantry2118 3 күн бұрын
@@XRakkgruntX Here's my reason for 10mm: There are people out there with overactive adrenaline glands or who are hopped up on d_ru-gs. They don't know they've been un-lived, and can keep coming at you for a few seconds. Best to have impact energy. I'd go for .44 mag but I'm afraid that some DA would start calling me Dirty Harry to sway the jury in a self-defense prosecution.
@ericbergfield6451
@ericbergfield6451 3 күн бұрын
LOL, I love your ADD riddled videos Banana man 🍌
@PChelpism
@PChelpism 3 күн бұрын
bro please the sandbox test is filler at this point please include a more realistic test it is a handgun caliber... if 5.56 can't like whyyy
@scottsmith31
@scottsmith31 3 күн бұрын
Agreed, the sandbox is stupid and boring
@stanpotter7764
@stanpotter7764 3 күн бұрын
If 5.56 can't 😂
@PChelpism
@PChelpism 3 күн бұрын
@@stanpotter7764 bro i swear i don't understand like for real if 5.56 can't go through sand why in the hell are you wasting time with handgun calibers
@jayriley5075
@jayriley5075 3 күн бұрын
4:27 put it in the box of complaints ig
@stanpotter7764
@stanpotter7764 3 күн бұрын
@@PChelpism It needs to be like half or maybe 2/3 the size 🤷‍♂️
@Sheppard2030
@Sheppard2030 3 күн бұрын
"Box of Complaints". MWahahahahaa!!
@rustyshackleford3263
@rustyshackleford3263 3 күн бұрын
Everything is better with a plus!
@kevinrichardson8859
@kevinrichardson8859 3 күн бұрын
And even better with 2 +
@GetMeThere1
@GetMeThere1 2 күн бұрын
you need to "layer" the sandbox with pieces of paper an inch apart. You can then just pull out the pieces of paper to record how far each bullet had penetrated.
@DarkSlayer487
@DarkSlayer487 3 күн бұрын
+P+ 9mm, vs 10mm vs 45 Super. The world needs to know.
@brianwatkins2974
@brianwatkins2974 2 күн бұрын
If that is in fact M1152 ammunition in the 9mm, something to consider is that it can be found in bulk, on-line, and often on sale at a reasonable price. A long barreled pistol will get good velocity out of it. For defense in the woods, the 9mm that you already know and practice a lot with, and can shoot accurately and quickly, is probably a better choice for you than a 10mm or other big-bore that you can't shoot as well with. There's a good study of actual results against bear attacks that shows that any decent cartridge can, and has done the job with a high success rate.
@UtChaz
@UtChaz 3 күн бұрын
Out of curiosity, I'd liek to see you hit the center mass of the 1/8" with the 9mm +P
@johnlongmore5750
@johnlongmore5750 2 күн бұрын
If you want to keep the sand, maybe do a stack of USPS shipping boxes (PM Small FR's) filled with sand, that'd give you a series of 1&3/4ths thick boxes (still tape-able!) you could stack up to gauge penetration with increments.
@markbroad119
@markbroad119 3 күн бұрын
Don't get rid of the sand box. Use several thinner boxes to see how far it goes
@ethandye8764
@ethandye8764 3 күн бұрын
Bro the sand is the great filter of high power bullets and I love it and I will be sad if it is gone, I love to see how much power it takes to go through it
@eclipsegst9419
@eclipsegst9419 Күн бұрын
I think at minimum you need a thinner sandbox for pistol rounds. I also like the idea of something new with more visual destruction like clay as someone mentioned, or milk jugs full of water.
@knurlgnar24
@knurlgnar24 3 күн бұрын
That looks like M1152 NATO spec 9mm ammo. It's good stuff. I'd much prefer that over a 10mm due to the significantly lower recoil. I'd rather put 4 9mm on target than 2 10mm in the same amount of time. It's probably not ideal for Grizzly protection but the 9mm has successfully been used for that purpose, and hunting guides agree that something you can comfortably shoot is more important than missing with a hand cannon.
@RNG-999
@RNG-999 3 күн бұрын
Dude... A high-powered 10mm round carries 80% more kinetic energy per shot than a 9mm, even these 9mm +P because they are just high-powered 9mm. 780 Ft-lbs vs 420 ft-lbs is 85%. Those two 10mm rounds had almost as much energy as four 9mm...
@thrillhunter9897
@thrillhunter9897 2 сағат бұрын
under powered 10mm you were sold under loaded ammo. that velocity is way off.
@angeleyes885
@angeleyes885 3 күн бұрын
I like the sandbox, at least it gives participation points to all calibers😂
@SenorVerde27
@SenorVerde27 8 сағат бұрын
Dieseling is when the block catches fire under pressure from a bullet meplate.
@einarhornraiser9019
@einarhornraiser9019 2 күн бұрын
I kinda figured even particularly spicy 9x19 still wouldn't have the "authority" of 10mm. Still a lot of fun to watch! This channel and Tools & Targets are my favourites for cartridge performance. Additionally, I feel like if you retire the sand box, you should replace it with modeling clay!
@jimmieburleigh9549
@jimmieburleigh9549 3 күн бұрын
I'd like to see crono numbers on that +p9 and 40 cal. Maybe even full test
@MontanaTonyy
@MontanaTonyy 3 күн бұрын
Your videos remind me why the Geneva Convention exist 😂
@deltab9768
@deltab9768 3 күн бұрын
Thanks for doing a thin steel test! I’m buying a shipping container (slightly thicker than 1/16” walls) and was wondering whether it would happen to block normal handgun calibers. I’m going to say no, unless it was something really light like a .380 auto or .22lr. Luckily I’m not buying it for ballistic protection anyway.
@tallcool1jeff
@tallcool1jeff 2 сағат бұрын
Come on that first shot with the 9 + p hit a knot in the wood block you should do that shot over😮
@OberGefreiterZ
@OberGefreiterZ 2 күн бұрын
i love that sand scenario...its my everyday problem :D
@charlescouncill
@charlescouncill 3 күн бұрын
I like the sandbox!
@rickykurtz516
@rickykurtz516 3 күн бұрын
What about +P+ 9mm ? Ricky from IBM
@kevinrichardson8859
@kevinrichardson8859 3 күн бұрын
+p+ 9mm is a whole nother level! 🔥
@egregiousblunder5395
@egregiousblunder5395 3 күн бұрын
Chasing your tail trying to compete with properly loaded 10mm. I know, done these experiments myself with custom hand loaded ammo. I tossed in .357 Sig into the mix as well, that's one caliber a lot of people sleep on if they want a real deal +P+ "9mm".
@midgepfeffer711
@midgepfeffer711 3 күн бұрын
If you like your fingers I would suggest you reconsider +P+ out of a Glock...or real .10mm loads out of a Glock.
@egregiousblunder5395
@egregiousblunder5395 3 күн бұрын
@@midgepfeffer711 Shot many Ranger T series 127gr +P+ out of a G17, was never an issue. The unsupported barrel claims were with .40's mostly.
@Daniel-qe8qe
@Daniel-qe8qe 3 күн бұрын
​@midgepfeffer711 a service duty pistol would have no problem with it
@ewpoirier
@ewpoirier 3 күн бұрын
The first of the 9mm went through a hard knot in the piece lumber slowing it down considerably.
@meanman6992
@meanman6992 Күн бұрын
Try a 16 GAUGE mild steel plate behind the 1/16” plate, space them out.
@Handlethis6513
@Handlethis6513 3 күн бұрын
I would like to see a comparison between pressure treated lumber to non treated and tight grain non treated to average pressure treated. My bet that the tight grain non treated would outperform the average pressure treated.
@Brett.1984
@Brett.1984 2 күн бұрын
Good stuff , great voice for radio or yt
@Scott-kc5fg
@Scott-kc5fg 2 күн бұрын
I like your channel and the different tests. Did you try using Raid for the queen ant? Lol...
@aarongodderidge2239
@aarongodderidge2239 13 сағат бұрын
I like the sand and concrete tests. Forget the haters I say keep it up great content!
@gooddad1975
@gooddad1975 2 күн бұрын
great channel
@Rangergeo85
@Rangergeo85 3 күн бұрын
I was told the box of complaints was full. Lol
@davidelzinga9757
@davidelzinga9757 2 күн бұрын
I think you should replace the 6” sand box with a dump truck full of sand just to troll people at this point
@ChatBot1337
@ChatBot1337 3 күн бұрын
If only to go back in time.. I love 10mm, but I'm not about to switch the collection out at this point. Yes, Im lazy about how many calibers I keep around. But a few 10's are on the list as defensive toys.
@HellsHitman
@HellsHitman 2 күн бұрын
Atta boy like your style
@hoatzen7887
@hoatzen7887 3 күн бұрын
legendary vid
@JunkyardBashSteve
@JunkyardBashSteve 3 күн бұрын
feeling extra goofy with this video huh. I dig it
@logoutjason4689
@logoutjason4689 42 минут бұрын
editing is AMAZING 🤩
@sinistersilverado965
@sinistersilverado965 Күн бұрын
+P is nothing, I shoot +P+
@timclaus8313
@timclaus8313 7 сағат бұрын
But I don't believe any pistol is factory rated for +P+, as there is no SAAMI standard for the loading.
@MG-lh5tw
@MG-lh5tw 22 сағат бұрын
considering most 10mm out there are basically a taller 40 cal i gotta say that 9mm +p handled itself well..
@user-sx9tt1bf6w
@user-sx9tt1bf6w 3 күн бұрын
Those first +p rounds hit a knot in the wood which showed them down
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