9mm vs 45 ACP: Which Bullet Hits Harder?

9mm vs 45 ACP is one of the classic old vs new fights! Today we're going to look at the real numbers of the 9mm vs .45 ACP and how they stack up to whatever tests I have dreamed up today.
#9mm #dagger #45acp

[@RuggedAdventures]

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[@altrusianwolfdog2564]

The bigger a hole you poke in the boat the faster it sinks...

[@mikerobinson8734]

Well said

[@DawonneJones]

facts big quarter size holes

[@lawrencecarter5917]

😂😂😂😂

[@skywelderrocky]

The flying ash tray, right?

[@markthe2nd741]

Unless the smaller hole is poked through both sides and the bigger hole is only through one side.

[@bhartley868]

Then the Government bans high capacity mags limiting them to ten rounds max. Leaving the .45 ACP the clear winner .

[@WastdTrashPanda]

... you can always just tell them to F off.

[@richwhippersnapper]

45 is definitely harder hitting. I shoot steel and the 45 230gr FMJ makes the gong swing significantly more than 9mm, and rings much louder.

[@MichelleObamaIsPackinASack]

That's just plinking ammo though... the juiced up 9mm is putting out some energy...

[@richwhippersnapper]

That's true. We have Hornady Critical Defense, Critical Duty, etc... for personal defense

[@jordanreynolds6802]

Juiced up 9mm lol like 45 don't have +p , I'd say 185+p gs rem or 200+p gold dot or 230+P HST wins on target without barriers involved

[@RepentorPerish77]

@@jordanreynolds68029mm guys kill me thinking technology only enhanced 9mm and no other rounds 😂

[@wymonwatson1309]

If you want the best of both words, ie bigger hole, more energy, the .40 is superior to both. And I don't want to hear 10mm most of the ammo is barely hotter than .40 and if you do get the full power ammo, overpenetration could become a liability in a seld defense situation. A good .40 SD load will produce 450+ ftlbs of energy, and you lose 1-2 bullets of capacity when compared to the 9mm.

[@silverhorder1969]

Col Craig Bottington wrote many years ago in G&A magazine that his favorite bear cartridge was 45-70. Even though it had less foot pounds of energy on paper than all off the bottle necked 30’ magnums. He said when a big chunk of lead hits a bear at slower speeds, the bears he shot noticeably reacted when hit by the 45-70 and traveled shorter distances. He claimed there is a certain shock factor the math is not showing. His words.

[@RuggedAdventures]

Highly likely. Usage trumps math in the real world.

[@mikerobinson8734]

Ft lbs of energy means nothing in terms of killing potential. Momentum, and kinetic energy matters more.

[@HalfCrazy520]

The 9mm is like getting stabbed with a phillips screwdriver... the .45 is like getting stabbed with a 1/2" carriage bolt... Which one do you reckon would hurt more?

[@3Sphere]

This only confirms what I previously thought which is that 9mm penetrates deeper and spreads its shock over a longer, narrower distance. The 45 delivers its shock to a shorter but wider area which amounts to much greater shock value. Shock stops so 45 is my choice for close in self defense against humans. Every GI knew this in WWII. But the energy drops off quickly for 45 over distance so it's only for close in. 10mm might be much better for medium distances... I just don't even like 9mm. Who knows why. Every different animal needs it own calculus. A lotta crap to think about!!! :)

[@HalfCrazy520]

@@3Sphere Look up "Taylor KO Factor". It's supposed to be a measure of how hard a projectile hits. Bullet weight (gr) x velocity (fps) x bullet diameter (inch) / 7000 9mm NATO is 7.2 KO .45 ACP Ball is 12.6 KO

[@kurtwise7356]

It's simple physics! Would you rather get hit with a golf ball going 20 miles per hour or a brick going 10!

[@mikereinhardt4807]

People need to read the history of the 45 ACP development and adoption again. It was designed by John Moses Browning to be a replacement for the 45 long Colt of the time. I don't think anyone would argue the stopping power of that cartridge. Than there was the adoption process for the 1911 pistol in 45 ACP. I believe it was somewhere between 8K and 10K rounds fired without a single stopage. They even shot pigs and cows with it to confirm the stopping power of the than new cartridge. Than look at the folklore and history that is attached to it. Has there ever been a reported downing of a enemy aircraft by a 9mm, I think not. Now I'm not saying the 9mm is not a man stopper, all I'm saying is "Considering it's history and proven record it's understandable why a lot of people are passionate about the 1911 in 45 ACP"!

[@jonathanday7502]

Penetration doesn't determine which hits harder. If anything, its the opposite. The round that doesn't go through a person will hit harder because the body is stopping the bullets inertia. If it goes straight through, the body will hardly feel the impact.

[@karlpoff7832]

My understanding about the .45 during WWII is that the .45 tends to tumble doing massive amounts of internal damage the Germans called the 1911, the Mangler. I have heard stories (while serving in the military) that people had been shot by a 9 mm and they kept right on going, generally a hit from a .45 will impress upon an individual the need to lie down.

[@tastethecock5203]

Lol thats unlikely. Heavy bullets tend to be more stable than lighter ones, tumbling occurs due to destabilization of the bullet, 45 is unlikely to destabilize.

[@RuggedAdventures]

I'm editing a 9mm hollow point vs 45 fmj (and hp to be fair). The 45 made a far nastier wound channel vs the 9mm with FMJs. 9mm hollow points really put on a show though. Stay tuned!

[@ArizonaAirspace]

@@RuggedAdventures. I’ll take the armor piercing hollow point 45 ACP. You are too hung up on velocity energy level difference of hundred feet or less. 45ACP rounds are battle tested in 4 different wars. And they cause bigger and nastier damage to anything that it hits. It’s like comparing Sugar Ray Leonard jabs versus Mike Tyson right hook. Physics dictate that heavier mass at slightly slower speed will have a higher knockdown punch.

[@RuggedAdventures]

​@@ArizonaAirspace what's an armor piercing hollow point?

[@johnharris8191]

Tumbling is a myth.

[@krashdude1]

Good video, thanks. So the 9mm penetrates farther and the 45 hits harder....this summary has been known for quite some time.

[@ericsnow3663]

45 makes an excellent home defense caliber for home defense. there are lots of options in modern pistols that have good capacity 13 rounds for a Glock 21. At home size a weight aren't as much of a factor. But for carry 9mm makes a lot of sense with good ammo it'll do just fine. 9mms are lighter and have better ammo capacity. As an American though I'm more partial to the .45 auto. Have both.

[@nickdial8528]

Glock 30s is compact and 10+1 Plenty

[@Chris_the_Dingo]

You can get hit by a Ford Escort that's going 75 mph, or a Ford F150 going 55 mph. Either way it's gonna do some damage.

[@pethello3845]

45 hits harder.

[@MichelleObamaIsPackinASack]

Fudds out in full force on this one..

[@wartencrusteddong]

Bigger bullets make bigger holes bigger holes leak more blood. I’ll keep my 45 auto on my side.

[@richardshawver7264]

At least you didn't do what the 9mm touts do. Use 45 ball on all tests while they a mix and match approach using the best round of the 9 to prove their superiority. The 45 was specially designed as a stopper not a barricade buster. The only reason the military went with the 9 was to make nice with NATO european countries. Spec Ops troops that can chose what they want generally opt for the 45. Thank you for a fair test.

[@daleweller5193]

In IDPA there are steel targets that the 9 has trouble knocking down,the 45 always knocks them down!

[@stevensmith5232]

Good stuff! Enjoying your channel.

[@RuggedAdventures]

Thanks!

[@twister6909]

Just got the new FN 545 tactical .45acp 18+1 awesome pistol

[@thomaspalmer7900]

I personally carry and rotate between my Glock G48 9mm & Glock G30 .45 Both are excellent EDC pistols. I recently had a stupid negligent discharge at home with my G30 loaded with Federal HST 230 grain +P . I ended up with a nickel coin size hole in my carpet & inch of plywood underneath!! I learned really quick the hitting power of the .45!! Great video!! I’m a subscriber!!!!

[@scottbailey8158]

Stop the bullshit a .45 bullet is heavier and will go through shit like car glass ect it will go through alot of cover, the 9mm is a good round but it ain't going to stack up to the .45 when we are talking terminal woop ass.

[@jason_m_schmidt622]

Fuddlore

[@71TFFC]

I own 34 handguns, most of them are 1911's and most of them are chambered in .45 ACP. I shoot and reload regularly and I can say beyond a doubt I would not want to be shot with either round. If I had to choose between being shot by either, I would choose the 9mm. My conclusion is based on having fired tens of thousands of rounds of both calibers and their effect on steel targets.

[@robertsaunders2902]

45 has more man power than 9mm bottom line nuff said

[@mattspriggs5945]

Great test man! Ive done this and others - salt blocks, cinder blocks, wood, books, etc. You start to appreciate MOMENTUM and its role in stopping power. I love all rounds, but i prefer 45 Auto over all others. Outside of 25 yards, a 10mm will have an advantage. Inside of say 10 yards, i can show where the 45 does more damage - bigger hole, greater wound channel etc. Love the test - subscribed!

[@RuggedAdventures]

Thanks! That's basically the whole idea of my channel, blasting random things.

[@mbenjamin292]

New sub here, what about hollow points? If they have advanced, somuch for 9mm, isn't it the same for 45 acp? Making 45 better

[@bullfrogjay4383]

I love them both. I also carry both CC depending on my outfit. They are both great rounds. Awesome video.

[@RuggedAdventures]

Agreed and thank you!

[@TheAverageCriminal]

I was shot in the wiener with a 45 and it definitely didn't feel like a gentle kiss goodnight.

[@joetamaccio9475]

I stand corrected, you did a fair test

[@ahumm8280]

I've havent shot 45acp yet but from what Im seeing its more of a "he fucked around and found out" kind of a round!

[@sticksnclips8330]

Great video! 💯

[@RuggedAdventures]

Thanks!

[@dfazz247]

The bottom line is, either one will ruin your day.

[@RuggedAdventures]

I've heard rumors of reasonable people on the internet, today I have proof

[@KeithRichardson-zs2eq]

Something to remember too, is that range ammo, especially 45 tends to be watered down nowadays. Whats weird is so.e cartridges are up to spec while others aren't. 45 is one example and 10mm is another. It doesn't matter If it's ball or defensive ammo either. Proper loaded 45 should be between 400 and 425 foot pounds if loaded right. Though even when it's a range load it still hits a while harder than the 9 and I've actually demonstrated that on a couple different occasions. As far as the mag capacity FN has proved the only reason there aren't 45 with more round capacity is because the gun manufacturers haven't made any. The FNX45 holds 15+1 and the FN545 has 15 and 18 round magazines. Lets not forget the 1911 and FNs arent the only 45 chambered pistol out there. Most other pistols have 13 or 14 rounds in the magazine. Not a giant difference As to the purpose ofthe video ypu proved the uet again the 45 is a better cartridge. I mean, the bane of the video is which hits harder. That all being said I'd take a 45 over 9mili-meh any day of the week.

[@RuggedAdventures]

I used the fps and weight specified on the box and did the math. In this video with the ammo I used 9mm had a slight energy advantage.

[@KeithRichardson-zs2eq]

@@RuggedAdventures then that's kinda crappy ammo

[@Narsuitus]

For years, I relied on my hard hitting 6-inch 357 magnum revolver for protection from black bears, feral hogs, and wild dogs. Today, I also shoot with 4-inch 9mm, 5-inch 9mm, and 6-inch 45acp pistols. All are capable of shooting hard hitting ammo. However, based on hard target and soft target tests I have performed, my 9mm and 45 pistols are unable to duplicate the hard hitting of my 357.

[@timtdog5542]

That's funny Considering 357 is still a 9 mm diameter I like 357 as well I carry 9 mm I think the most powerful is 45 Second 357 But they all shoe better straighter than us

[@Narsuitus]

@@timtdog5542 When I performed a wood penetration test, the 200 grain 45acp Underwood Xtreme Penetrator solid copper ammo fired from my 6-inch pistol lodged in the first third of board #4. The 200 grain 357 magnum Double Tap flat-nose hard-cast lead ammo lodged in the first part of board #5. Boards were 1 1/2 inch thick pine boards. Shot at a 4-foot distance.

[@SuperD00D]

@@timtdog5542bro .357 is way more powerful than a .45 what the fuck are you on 🤣? Also, there’s an Underwood .40 round that will hit 675 foot pounds,pretty hot .357 magnum level energy with a 10mm projectile. Underwood has a 675 foot pound .40 load m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/l524eISapbV7mc0 It’s rated 588 foot pounds is from a 3.4”. m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/iZvCkniGq7OBetU I love shooting it in Glock 23. It hits 610 fpe in the Glock 23.

[@paulp.6399]

If you think a 45 ACP is more powerful than a 357 magnum then you truly don't know much about the subject. I think about 5 million of my brain cells died reading your comment.@@timtdog5542

[@mv223]

Of course not. They aren't even in the same league.

[@sonythearab7633]

45 ACP 1911 rule

[@HalfCrazy520]

I agree on the .45 caliber but I don't carry a 1911 anymore. These days it's a Sig P-320 Compact... 9+1, 3.9" barrel, 26 ounces, night sights, and a rail. It sort of adopted me, since I shoot it better than almost anything else and it's super reliable. My emotional support pistol.

[@Sanguivore]

@@HalfCrazy520How’s the concealment on the P320 vs. 1911?

[@HalfCrazy520]

@@Sanguivore The 320 in .45 is a thick girl, but the grip is a bit shorter than the 1911 and the gun is way lighter. I don't have an issue concealing it under just a T-shirt.

[@Sanguivore]

@@HalfCrazy520 Thank you, bud! Might pick one up myself.

[@HalfCrazy520]

@@Sanguivore You'll shoot your eye out... LOL

[@mma4l]

@ 4:55 "I dont know not running a science lab here" 😂

[@RuggedAdventures]

You have no idea how many people are under the impression that I'm running a science lab here!

[@thetexasrat]

What they made a 45 ACP? I (still) be rocking the 45 Colt! The “Taylor Knock Out Index”: Velocity (in fps) x Weight (in grains) x Diameter (in inches) = _ divided by 7,000 [to convert into foot pounds of energy]. 9mm: [1901 AD] (Original) Standard P - 1180 x 115 x .355 = 48,173.5 divided by 7,000 = 6.88 ft pd Underwood Ammo 9mm: Standard P - 1300 x 115 x .355 = 53,072.5 divided by 7000 = 7.58 ft pd +P - 1100 x 147 x .355 = 57,403.5 divided by 7000 = 8.2 ft pd +P+ - 1550 x 90 x .355 = 49,522.5 divided by 7000 = 7.07 ft pd - (?) Notice how big and slow is better than little and faster every time? Well now, it ain’t just what she said anymore! And on that note - 45 ACP: [1904 AD] Standard P - 835 x 230 x .451 = 86,614.55 divided by 7,000 = 12.37 ft pd Underwood Ammo 45 ACP: +P - 925 x 255 x .452 = 106,615.5 divided by 7000 = 15.23 ft pd Fools Figure, but Figures don't Fool! Which now leads us to the Facts - 45 Colt: [1872 AD] (Original) Standard P - 1000 x 235 x .456 = 107,160 divided by 7,000 = 15.3 ft pd Original Underwood Ammo 45 Colt: Standard P - 1000 x 250 x .452 = 113,000 divided by 7,000 = 16.14 ft pd - Xtreme Penetrator +P - 1400 x 250 x .452 = 158,200 divided by 7,000 = 22.6ft pd - Xtreme Penetrator +P This is the results of big getting faster. So, "faster can be goods so long as size is not compromised!" And I quoted her on that. [Liberty Ammunition 45 Colt: Standard P - 1800 x 78 x .452 = 63,460.8 divided by 7,000 = 9.0658 ft pd - Civil Defense Showing little going fast is just that, and nothing more!] +P - 1325 x 325 x .452 = 194,642.5 divided by 7,000 = 27.8 ft pd - Long Flat Nose Gas Check Hi-Tek Coated Hard Cast +P This is the results of big getting bigger! As so did her eyes! Standard P - 900 x 220 x .452 = 89,496 divided by 7,000 = 12.785 ft pd - Maximum Expansion (before it expands) Standard P - 900 x 220 x 1.75 = 346,500 divided by 7,000 = 49.5 ft pd - Maximum Expansion (after it expands) This is the results of big becoming HUGE! At this point she was speechless(?).

[@Ten_Mil_Will]

"It is all about shot placement and we have the capacity to make multiple shots" ~ 9mm guys "It is all about 'stopping power' we dont NEED 17 rounds" ~ 45 guys "You kids are silly" ~ 10mm guys 😎 In all seriousness, cool video 👍 not sure if youre gonna say it (havent finished the video yet) but - The "Deadliest" caliber.... is the one you're best with 👍

[@RuggedAdventures]

Maturing is understanding that last part!

[@karlpoff7832]

If you need to shoot more than once you need more practice, 1 shot 1 kill, ;

[@Ten_Mil_Will]

@@karlpoff7832 Cool story, bru 👍 Life ain't a movie

[@nickdial8528]

10mm actually performs poorly in send defense cartridges like hollow points. Speeds cause inconsistent expansion and failure with no benefit gained from the speed. This was documented many times in two different studies by Viper Ballistics.

[@Ten_Mil_Will]

@nickdial8528 I've heard folks say this and, with SOME bullets, YES the increased speed simply means increased chance of jacket separation. This is not the case with all projectiles. I'm not a caliber snob, hell I was making a joke about folks who are. Hell, half the time, I grab a 9x19 loaded with HST's but anyone who thinks 10mm is an inferior caliber (than 40sw), for SD, is living in a different reality than the rest of us. Next, sum1 will want to explain why 357Sig performs "poorly" lol.

[@factsoftheconfederacy7151]

The cross sectional area of the .45 ACP 230-grain bullet is .160 square inches; the cross sectional area of the 124-grain 9mm NATO bullet is .0989 square inches. The 9mm possesses only about 62% of the cross sectional area of the .45 ACP. A more traditional method of establishing the effectiveness of a given bullet is its sectional density, the ratio of bullet mass to the square of its diameter. Generally, the higher the sectional density, the better the penetration of the bullet in living tissue. The sectional density of the FMJ 230-grain .45 ACP bullet is .162; for the 124-grain 9mm NATO bullet, the figure is .144. By this traditional method of establishing a bullet’s terminal effectiveness, the .45 is again superior to the 9mm when both projectiles are of the FMJ type. By any mathematical calculation, given equal penetration, the .45 ACP bullet will create an approximately 40% greater permanent wound cavity volume than a 9x19mm bullet. These mathematical predictions are borne out by actual testing, such as the FBI ammunition tests. To return to the FBI test protocols, it will be remembered that in penetration tests the .45 ACP FMJ scored 100%, while the 9mm achieved a slightly lower 95.5% success rate. While the minimum acceptable penetration for police use was established to be 12 inches, the FBI tests concluded that a penetration of 18 inches was even better. During the tests, however, the FBI assigned no points for penetration beyond the optimum 18 inches. The .45 ACP FMJ bullets penetrated an average depth of greater than 28 inches, while 9x19mm FMJ bullets were a full 4 inches less. Some might consider this over penetration, but for military applications, greater penetration is both acceptable and desirable. As previously mentioned, penetration is only one aspect of bullet effectiveness. The size of the permanent wound cavity must also be considered, and the .45 ACP FMJ bullets in the FBI tests achieved average permanent wound cavities of 3 cubic inches, while the 9mm bullet permanent wound cavities were a full cubic inch less. This significantly increases the prospect of the .45 striking a bone or internal organ. This can be summed up in the FBI’s overall wound value that assigns a value of 2.91 to the military .45 ACP and only 1.65 to the M882 9x19mm. This value is “... the index of demonstrated wounding effectiveness, not potential, as measured by the FBI Ammunition Test results.”

[@factsoftheconfederacy7151]

FBI findings “Increased bullet mass will increase penetration. Increased velocity will increase penetration but only until the bullet begins to deform, at which point increased velocity decreases penetration. Permanent cavity can be increased by the use of expanding bullets, and/or larger diameter bullets, which have adequate penetration. However, in no case should selection of a bullet be made where bullet expansion is necessary to achieve desired performance.35 Handgun bullets expand in the human target only 60- 70% of the time at best. Damage to the hollow point by hitting bone, glass, or other intervening obstacles can prevent expansion. Clothing fibers can wrap the nose of the bullet in a cocoon like manner and prevent expansion. Insufficient impact velocity caused by short barrels and/or longer range will prevent expansion, as will simple manufacturing variations. Expansion must never be the basis for bullet selection, but considered a bonus when, and if, it occurs.”

[@factsoftheconfederacy7151]

My personal word: In conclusion: Ballistics gel gives us good data, but it’s important that we look at true FBI calibrated gel. If I’m going with a hollow point defensive round, give me .45 ACP Winchester T-series 230 grain or Speer Gold Dot .45 ACP 200 grain +P. The goal of your round is reliability in expanding (after going through material) and going 12 inches or so in the body to avoid over/under-penetration. At the end of the day though, a bigger bullet is theoretically better (provided you have proper penetration)

[@factsoftheconfederacy7151]

Source: small arms review article THE MILITARY EFFECTIVENESS OF PISTOL CARTRIDGES: AN ANALYSIS OF THE .45 ACP VERSUS THE 9X19MM IN MILITARY SERVICE

[@Sanguivore]

Man, that was super in depth! Thank you so much! ☺️

[@twofires3549]

Nice looking place,enjoyed.

[@RuggedAdventures]

You would know!

[@timdennebaum4498]

I own both, and enjoy both, Shield 9 and 45! I carry the 9 more because I like the external safety on it!

[@404nitro]

Energy is only one method for comparing rounds and it favors velocity. Momentum and frontal area are two that seldom get looked at or considered at all. Since most handgun rounds are fairly weak, I'll take the larger wound channel every time. Compare the factory 45-70 loads to factory 22-250 loads. Energy levels are very similar, but which one would you want in your hand if facing an angry bear or moose?

[@MemphisMojo15s]

I love the old 45, but my wife and I have a G17 Gen5 and a G43. We have so much 9mm ammo for them, and for the price of it it's way cheaper to stock and to shoot. If we can't protect ourselves with 17÷1 each and with the G43 6+1 and an extra 6 round with 2 10 rounders each, then guys, it was nice knowing you lol Our local department where I'm from switched to the G45 MOS and it seems to be loved way better for various reasons from lighter recoil to ammo price to the pistol being lighter with the red dot and light than the 40 would be with all of that. Anyway, take care all. Hope my reasons helps you and thanks for the video friend

[@thomaspalmer7900]

Great video!! Nothing at all against either caliber. My personal choice of carry goes to the .45 platform. I’m a subscriber!! God bless!! 🇱🇷🇱🇷

[@RuggedAdventures]

Both iconic, nothing but love! Thanks for thr support!

[@Jason32Bourne]

Rule of thumb: fmj=go big (.45+). Hollow points, with modern tech, makes most semi auto pistol rounds near identical. I personally would rather have a lighter system for everyday carry with more rounds. But something like a usp 45 for duty use, not a bad consideration. My choice duty size handgun is the 226 legion 9mm. Perfection for me.

[@Lift_these]

Also if you use a lighter 185 grain 45, the velocity may be different as opposed to the 230 grain.

[@HalfCrazy520]

The difference of around 150 fps.

[@keithcampbell4926]

I carry both now and then. Depends on how I feel for the day. 😅

[@t-rex3813]

There is an old wwii era basic training video explaining German weapons. Ther is a point in the video comparing a 9mm German pistol vs an American 1911 shooting a GI helmet. The 1911 put a large dent in the helmet and the 9mm punched through. Both are good rounds but with ball ammo the potential for energy transfer is greater with the 45 than the 9mm but the 9mm will penetrate better to get the squishy bits…….alas the debate continues. Neither were designed as hollow points and in my experience the 45 is often too slow at standard pressures and the cavity in the 9 is too small and clogs easily unless you get something like the hst

[@nickdial8528]

The 45 is not too slow at all. It performs consistently with HPs

[@mbenjamin292]

Fnx 45 acp has a great round count new sub here thanks.

[@themudshark1106]

Also Springfield Armory XD Tactical 14 shot .45 pistol is excellent.

[@OlderWhisky]

The meteor that killed the dinosaurs was actually fired from a 1911. Short, fat, and slow gets the job done.

[@rezlogan4787]

“Hits harder” is a numerical claim that can be tested. Either caliber can hit harder than the other depending on how they’re loaded. With factory cartridges, the cartridges hit equally hard.

[@rashewhite]

It's funny how people who think 9mm is more powerful than 45acp test the water and become a believer how much more power the 45acp puts out. That being said, 9mm is a much faster round and allows more carry capacity. 9mm can cover more distance as well as have much better speed than 45acp. 45acp size and speed make it great for defense because it immediately dumps all of its energy on contact.

[@RuggedAdventures]

In a lot of cases the 9mm is mathematically more powerful but real life experience often socks math right in the face. The ability for 45 to unload its energy quickly is key.

[@rashewhite]

@@RuggedAdventures I still enjoyed your video

[@SunnahSurvivalPMC]

Many people misunderstand the significance of “energy” when trying to understand the impact a projectile will have on target. You need to consider momentum/inertia. Theoretically you can drive a BB and a cannon ball to the same kinetic energy, but guess which one is going to move the target way more than the other?

[@MrGsteele]

They may be nearly equal in energy, but not in momentum. Higher momentum, plus greater cross-sectional area, equals more work done. So the velocity-biased energy figure does not represent that effect. Twice the mass plus 61% greater cross-sectional area equals more damage. The 9mm definitely scores on the magazine capacity point - 2011 double-stacks require a bigger hand to hold. The reason the armed forces went to 9mm, however, was that the controllability of the Beretta with 9mm was greater than for the 1911, a greater ammunition loadout for a given weight of ammunition, and commonality of ammunition with NATO arms simplified battlefield logistics. Also, regarding penetration in the 2x wood: the 9mm penetrated more boards. It had to move wood out of the way to do so. The .45 had to move more wood for each board, because it has 61% greater cross-sectional area. In effect, it is doing 61% more damage while it is penetrating the first few boards than the 9mm is; if the 9mm penetrates 61% more boards, then, they are even. Just a few thoughts.

[@Sanguivore]

Very interesting food for thought. Thank you!

[@nahkohese555]

I have M1911A1 Government in 45ACP. My wife has an M&P Sheild 9MM. Both have their advantages and disadvantages. But magazine size really isn't one. First off, it only takes a couple seconds to swap magazines. And, yes, it's easy to do on the run. Second, they do have 10 and 12 round magazines readily available for the 1911. And I even know where to get some of the surplus 50 round magazines they made when the US Military was toying with the idea of creating a Full Auto 1911 (What a scary thought!) And Third, as the Old Marines say, if you can't get it done with 8, either learn to shoot better or next time bring more friends. Which I can kind of agree with, considering just about everything else I own, you only get 1 before you have to reload. I mostly shoot BP Muzzle loaders.

[@RuggedAdventures]

Whatever anyone's personal preference is fine by me but nearly every military in the world has gone to smaller, lighter rounds for greater volume of fire and lighter weight.

[@nahkohese555]

@RuggedAdventures They've gone to the cheaper option. Same as the US did when they chose the 5.56 over the 7.62. US Special Forces switched back to the 45.

[@RuggedAdventures]

The new m855a1 is crazy expensive and it's well documented that the 5.56 was chosen because 30 could be carried with less weight than 20 7.62 and the average soldier was far more accurate.

[@alexskillz45]

TKO is the measure of how hard a bullet hits. Energy does not measure that. Power Factor measures recoil. A 255gr 45acp+p has 15TKO. 9mm has 9TKO at most. The most powerful 10mm and 357mag have 14TKO. A 45super does almost 18TKO.

[@RuggedAdventures]

TKO is a measure of the likelihood of a kill in an animal, especially an elephant, in the event the braim is missed. It's pretty much irrelevant when shooting targets like steel and wood or even softer skinned animals per Taylor himself.

[@alexskillz45]

@@RuggedAdventures 😂 It either hits harder or it doesn't. Energy is not a meausure of how hard something hits either, but it can be used to determine it. Thats what TKO is, it's literally taking Energy and determining how much of that energy is being put into the object struck according to the structure of the bullet. The structure of the object is relevant as long as it is constant, like we cant shoot plywood with one bullet and sheet metal with another and make a comparison. TKO is literally what you are trying to determine in this video but the measures have already been calculated. I prefer the Hatcher Relative Stopping Power calculation but I dont know it, Hatcher just has more precise calculations according to many bullet types while Taylor doesn't. It is still relevant, we can just assume, for example, a 9mm hardcast will penetrate better than a .45 hollow point no matter how fast each are going as long as they can leave the barrel. If you really believe its not a decent measure you are just regurgitating internet BS. If you really believe Energy can be used to determine power, there is no way you cant believe TKO is not relevant. Its exactly that.

[@RuggedAdventures]

​@@alexskillz45TKO is dependent on a specific target, energy is energy. Even Taylor says that outside of large, thick skinned game that the calculated physics is a better measure. In this video the targets are from very hard to very soft and that's why you get different results.

[@alexskillz45]

@@RuggedAdventures Yes, but as long as the target being used for measure is the same the math can be compared. Like ballistics gelatin, apart from how deep a bullet penetrates the height the gel block jumps as it is hit, or the amount of stretch it endures, or, like a certain youtuber does, he places an action figure on top of the block to see how high/far he flies during the test. Altogether, taking calculations such as TKO, or Hatcher preferably, can show that the calculations are somewhat accurate. Like a bullet with 18 TKO will have double of whatever the effects are than a bullet with 9 TKO. Thats what he means by more precise test or calculations, TKO itself is just just a quick calculation when a more precise test is not available. Another good calculation is Power Factor which os normally used to determine recoil of a loading, it also gives a general idea of the amount of power a bullet has, the more recoil it produces, the harder it will hit. PF also benefits heavier bullets. I think energy is the popular calculation only because its the only one that does not benefit big and heavy bullets. But just because it's popular doesn't make it right. Just like a car requires 4x more stopping distance when its speed is doubled, Energy has nothing to do with how fast a car actually comes to a stop. Bullets design and construction are like a car's brakes and that will precisely determine how much distance a car actually needs to stop when comparing one car to another. Still, depending on the type of road, weather conditions, grade of the road, etc, those results can vary and will require a more precise test.

[@alexskillz45]

When knocking steel over or bowling pins higher bullet mass is desired. For SD against bear heavier bullets are recommended. Energy benefits lighter and faster bullets, heavier and slower bullets in the same caliber always have less energy, that's proof in the pudding that Energy is not a determining factor for hitting "harder". Probably a better factor for hitting harder that you will like is Momentum. It also benefits weight over velocity, but is similar to energy without squaring velocity. TKO just takes it another step by using frontal area to determine how much of the Energy or Momentum is being displaced over the area of the target. Just like a bullet that tumbles, we know will strike harder, because by going sideways it's frontal area has increased. Same as with a Hollow Point, bigger bullet area, more displacement of energy, or Momentum.

[@jimheatherton7155]

Good video. I’m a fan of all. I like cinder block test. Maybe do a 9mm .40 & 45 in fmj and hollow point.

[@RuggedAdventures]

You win the reasonable adult on the internet award today! Thanks for the support.

[@jimheatherton7155]

@@RuggedAdventures thanks. I stumbled on your page today. I like it. I just started one last year. I will be doing auto glass car doors and cover when weather breaks here in Illinois

[@RuggedAdventures]

I appreciate it and good luck with your channel! I'm subscriber #43.

[@Maintenance63]

I would like to see the FBI test done. Two layers of sheet metal, several layers of fabric, the the clay block

[@HalfCrazy520]

In the soda can test and the board test, is the winner really the one that penetrates the most? That could be interpreted as over-penetration that would possibly endanger others (passing through walls or passing through the threat/target).

[@RuggedAdventures]

It's a guy in the woods shooting soda cans and talking to himself, don't overthink it.

[@HalfCrazy520]

@@RuggedAdventures You declared a "winner" for each test... I thought the video was interesting and the conclusions too, I simply offered another perspective on what was a "win". Sorry, I wasn't aware that food for thought/discussion was a bad thing.

[@RuggedAdventures]

Man, I'm just messing around and having a good time! Black and white text doesn't translate well. I actually did test them and a lot of others in overpenetration and most of them overpenetrate by a lot! kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJiVk5SVpbt6bNk

[@Craig52-zq1bt]

I take it no one here has taken a physics class.

[@a.d.c7941]

This is always fun, but ultimately the reality of these comparisons is saying which bullet is gonna kill you more. Use what you shoot best.

[@user-qb8mj3nd6x]

Shield .45 edc but when I have to split the difference between a 9mm,.40c model 23 steps up to the plate

[@suomynona97]

Final Conclusion: using 45acp, we can drink more coke.😅

[@RuggedAdventures]

Accurate!

[@nickdial8528]

Everyone that thinks 10mm is best for defense... 10mm actually isn't. Viper Ballistics studied this many times. 10mm in HP often fails because of the speeds. It has inconsistent expansion and performance. You also need to have true 10mm powered ammo, most is loaded down to .40 strength . It's decent as a woods gun, but .357 will still always outperform the 10mm on power, so for hardcast bullets animal protection, a 10mm is decent, but technically not better then .357. As a combat weapon, viper Ballistics showed, NOTHING outperformed the .45 in wound channel and performance reliability, such as expansion, penetration, ab And wounding capacity. The excessive speeds from 10mm gain no benefit in wounding capabilities and only hindered hollow point performance.

[@blueduster74]

The whole lbs of energy idea is total bs. Massif Ayoob’s LEO shooting lists has only the .357 mag above the .45 in one shot stops. Getting data on one shot stops is nearly impossible now since guys always put multiple rounds into perps now.

[@RuggedAdventures]

Ft/lbs is what it is. Terminal energy depends on a lot of factors. If I'm not mistaken Massad Ayoob ended up carrying 9mm towards the end of his LE career.

[@Frohman5584]

@@RuggedAdventuresYes. Ayoob also just recently discussed the importance of having more rounds ready to fire than not in a “Magazine Limits” video. We’re seeing more and more home invasions/robberies take place today with multiple intruders/attackers. Ammo limitations are dangerous. 9mm provides more firepower than .45 due to higher capacity (generally).

[@michaelmccartin2054]

The. 45 has more impact, I watched a competition between the 2 and the last obstacle was a steel plate that dropped over, the guy with the 9mm was way ahead of the guy with the. 45, when he got to the first of 2 plates he shot almost an entire magazine before it fell back and started on the 2nd plate, the guy with the. 45 caught up, one shot knocked down the first plate and then 1 shot knocked over the 2nd plate and he won, the guy with the 9mm was shooting the 2nd and it didn't fall back.

[@jayledermann7701]

You can say what ya want. I have shot for years at everything under the sun. The 45 does hit harder and makes bigger holes. I've seen it in competition on pins and seen it in the field.

[@mothmagic1]

It basically comes down the the old equasion. Do you use a large bullet going slowly or a small bullet fast? Also not taken into account in any of these comparisons is energy transfer. A large slow bullet will transfer more energy to the target.

[@matthewpearson7584]

45 is a bigger hole fmj or jhp 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@joshmorgan7618]

And shooting cokes the bullet can deviate and shoot out the sides easily I bet every time you shoot them you would get different results every time need something with more width

[@Maintenance63]

Also, 9mm critical duty rounds

[@Jason_Oakes_SD]

If you are using 45 as a defensive round some great options at 180 grain going to 1100 ft./s. You can still buy the big boxes of the hardball for practice. Why pick the lowest performing round from hundred years ago to compare with?

[@joejohnson2100]

I have both and don't want to be on the business end of either one

[@randall6666]

Why are you wearing your ball cap backwards?

[@RuggedAdventures]

Why does it matter?

[@davesusierobinson6508]

I own 9mm, 10mm, and 45acp. Mostly carry the 45. Its definitely more effective than 9mm. Of course 10mm is in realm of its own.

[@RuggedAdventures]

I don't have a 10mm yet, need to put that on the list!

[@nickdial8528]

10mm is way overrated and misunderstood.

[@thetexasrat]

Understanding Firearm Ballistics New 6th Edition - By Robert A. Rinker - Chapter 26, Terminal Ballistics for Self-Defense: page 364; "The FBI tests show the larger diameter bullet opens a larger permanent wound cavity for maximum blood loss. This is old thinking to many gun experts who have preferred the heavier .45 ACP type guns to the lighter and faster 9-mm. page 365; To briefly summarize the results, the .45 ACP did very well in most loads, as did the 10-mm auto. The .357 magnum also did well. .38 Special for the most part didn't do well. The 9-mm performed about the same. Statistically, the 9-mm as a group averaged 5.4% better than the .38 Special but that is still poor by comparison. The 1989 FBI tests leaned more towards the heavy bullet theory." page 367; With handguns, it is hard to go wrong by following the FBI's choice in ammo selection. page 371; The smaller caliber gun is not as effective as a larger one page 372-373; a person armed with the 45 ACP or 45 Colt was able to defend himself very well. THE 9-mm SITUATION from the point of view of ballistics, the disadvantages are far stronger. If the 9-mm requires 13 hits to put someone down who is not drugged up, perhaps it is a poor choice. The FBI and other tests clearly show that from a ballistic point of view, there are better choices. Some experts believe a lot of the erroneous information about the 9-mm pistol. Disregarding the weapons and their mechanics and dwelling strictly on the cartridge ballistics, the 9-mm isn't as good as what it replaced. (The 9-mm replaced various .45 ACPs and .357 magnums.) The 9-mm is not the best. At least from a ballistic point of view.

[@suomynona97]

Imagine a small knife and a bigger knife. 9mm stabs fast and a 45 stabs slow.

[@justsmitty1709]

I've seen a lot of memes and t shirts extolling the supremacy of the .45, but never the 9mm. Just saying.......

[@bhartley868]

The original single action western type revolver, in .44 and .45, were designed to stop a horse that had thrown you from your saddle but your foot was still stuck, and the horse was dragging you to certain death. The horse pistol had enough raw power to stop the horse or kill it saving your hide. Would a 9mm kill a horse as well that is the question? The US Army former Calvarymen wanted a .45 caliber weapon as close to the .45 Long Colt as they could get in a modern automatic.

[@RuggedAdventures]

I have never heard this and a quick search yielded no results either.

[@bhartley868]

@@RuggedAdventures Talk to old people who were there. If you were being dragged by a horse and had to shoot at the body, would you want a .32 or a .38 or would you want a big heavy bullet . The bottom line Cowboys had many needs for carrying a firearm not covered in tv and movies.

[@bhartley868]

@@RuggedAdventures Dutch Ride, was the name Cowboys called a dragging death. Also Wikipedia, dragging death "s gives examples.

[@RuggedAdventures]

@@bhartley868 Wikipedia only mentions homicides in their dragging deaths links. I have not found a single thing that says the .44 or .45 was designed to kill a horse. If you have a link I'll be happy to read about it.

[@4ager505]

@@RuggedAdventures Going way back in my memories...but I believe Elmer Keith made statements about the need to have a handgun to stop runaway horses. He was a well known adventurer and gun enthusiast who helped in the development of the 357 Mag and 44 Mag cartridges, among many other things...

[@Lift_these]

The 9 didn’t go through five. It didn’t even go almost through five. You didn’t see the damage on the other side. Not even a bulge.

[@Laurencemardon]

Pineapples ... cans of coke ... I got a cavity watching this video.

[@RuggedAdventures]

My videos are pretty sweet!

[@Laurencemardon]

@@RuggedAdventures Ouch. That hurt.

[@Eric-bh6ie]

They both kill. End of story

[@planker]

45

[@tahertz8544]

1- not the same rounds 2 -147gr vs.230gr is apples to apples test. 3- 10mm spanks in normal semi automatics. 4- if a caliber stands test of time, there's a reason.

[@RuggedAdventures]

1-that's in the title 2-apples to apples is not possible with 9mmvs 45 3-agreed 4-9mm designed 1901, produced 1902. 45acp designed 1094, produced 1905. It's a fun comparison video, not a science experiment.

[@tahertz8544]

@@RuggedAdventures you claimed to find out witch one hit harder. It is fun , but YOU did claim science sort of . I'm Not Hating.

[@RepentorPerish77]

People will see video evidence like the 9mm and 45 hitting those steel targets, actually visualize the drastic difference of the .45 moving that steel, and tell you 9mm hits just as hard 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 That’s the equivalent of seeing the released Jan 6 footage and still calling it an insurrection

[@RuggedAdventures]

Speaking of J6 I always find it funny when they say our AR-15s, etc couldn't do anything yet democracy was "nearly ended" by a bunch of unarmed, aging boomers.

[@MichelleObamaIsPackinASack]

New sub now bring me the spoils ...

[@RuggedAdventures]

Love the user name

[@metallampman]

enough already been done been done

[@Tengu0341]

Damage to target says more about the ability to stop an attack. .45 acp wins hands down… sure you have more 9mm rounds but you NEED more to stop the attack

[@joetamaccio9475]

Why don’t you get a box of 185 grains of Cor Bon 45 auto . The novice always compares 124 vs 230 .

[@RuggedAdventures]

I saw your other comment but figured I'd reply here. I try to do the most commonly had firearms/ammo at first and then get into more niche rounds.

[@rashewhite]

​@@RuggedAdventures 115g is the most common 9mm round

[@davewilson3893]

Who would you rather get punched by? Heavy weight Mike Tyson or middle weight Alveraz Camelo? Not very hard to figure out!

[@RuggedAdventures]

Uh....neither.

[@thetexasrat]

Back in the day, (real) men shot from the hip with a big (.45) caliber, all metal, handgun with one hand, while wearing boots, and they hit their targets. Now a days males (if one can even refer to them as) have to have a smaller caliber so that they can handle the recoil. Not to mention that they have to have plastic pistol so that they can hold it up, mind you with two hands, so that they can try and aim the thing looking down the barrel. Not only do they have trouble still aiming it ,but they want extra ammo to give them more of a chance at hitting the target by spraying and praying. Yet they still have issues so someone had to make them a dot system [that even a monkey can line up on the target] just so that they can finally have half a chance at hitting a target. Oh and they wear teeny shoes because, as they say, boot hurt their feet. Owe Vey! It is sad what this world has come to?

[@markharris4260]

Whick one hits harder ? Velocity is a major factor as to impact force also taking into account the weight of the projectile ! If a asteroid is moving at 1200 feet per seco d and weighs 2000 pounds then another asteroid is moving at 875 feet per second and weighs 3000 pounds which will have the hardest impact ? 9 mm penetration .45 acp The LORDS CALIBER !

[@markzuckerberg3128]

If you watch Active Self Protection videos, you realize most gunfights are over before 4-5 shots. I think FBI studies back this up too. So why not choose a 45? Yes 9mm has less recoil but it's not that big of difference and makes a much bigger hole in many cases. Federal 230 HST usually expands to 0.8 inches even after a few layers of clothing.

[@RuggedAdventures]

I don't really have a dog in the fight, I like them both. An argument could be made that it's better to have more and not need it. Smaller form factor too in most cases but it really doesn't matter to me.

[@TMFShooting]

Great Video 💯 Wish we could own Handguns Here in the UK 😞😞😞😞😞😞😞😞 💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥

[@RuggedAdventures]

Thanks! That is too bad, come across the pond sometime.

[@TMFShooting]

I would luv to come across to the States sometime , may be one day 🙂🙂🙂🙂 thank you.

[@RuggedAdventures]

​@@TMFShootingbe sure to get an MG in your hands when you do, and skip the cities.

[@TMFShooting]

🙂@@RuggedAdventures

[@rambo61045]

There are 45acp pistols that hold 15 rounds of 45 acp😊

[@davidchampagne464]

Great video man, looks like fun. And you need a shower after that.

[@cameronsmith3581]

Man, I cannot stand, absolutely can NOT STAND that crappy plastic teflon whatever it was coated in, wolf ammo case junk. I have never had so many issues with any 45 ammo as I have had with that in the past. And that was out of a colt defender which almost never had an issue. So many failures to feed and extract I ended up nearly paying somebody to take that garbage off my hands.

[@patriot9455]

I have 9mm and 45ACP. Both are not good to be hit with, HOWEVER, if you are going to compare 9v45, it helps to tell which "strength" of 9 and which strength of .45 you are comparing. I am not aware of as many variances between .45 types, except based on lead weight. There are a few strengths of 9mm as well as bullet weight. For an accurate comparison, you need to have them as close as possible, so the basic variance is going to be bullet weight. until you state those up front, the comparisons are as meaningless as racing two v8 cars in a drag race without mentioning that one is a 318 2barrel, and the other is a 413 with two 4bbl's on it. Context is important.

[@MW-iv3es]

It doesn't matter. They both can kill.

[@RuggedAdventures]

Someone gets it

[@lelonbond6682]

one 230 grain 45 or five 9mm to stop a threat.the us went to the 9mm because of nato.

[@bnizzio]

Man's caliber vs pissant. .45 wins! Lol!

[@bigal6861]

Not very well tested, knockdown vs. penetration is what the old age argument is, not just penetration. Aside from that, I own both 9mm & 45 ACP and my Glock 41 holds well over 15 rounds with mag extensions. This seems to be a bit of a one sided biased opinion.

[@RuggedAdventures]

Tag me when you get your test up

[@sfpawloski2]

try the same test with 1 gal.s milk jugs

[@RuggedAdventures]

The cows will not be happy