9mm VS 5.7x28 Penetration Test! FMJ VS Hollow Point

[@jameswatson5640]

I know I’m late but the green tips are not armor piercing they are lead free aluminum core hollow points, the black tips are armor piercing as far as I know

[@casperdelo7777]

556 green tips have steel cores in them making them some what armor piercing how much more then a standard 556 ...who knows

[@jimbob465]

@@casperdelo7777 this is 5.7 not 5.56

[@AndSheAndI]

@@jimbob465 Pretty sure that's a given. It sounds to me as if he was just saying green tip indicates steel core in a 5.56 and it may too indicate green tip bring steel core in that round too. who knows

[@casperdelo7777]

@@AndSheAndI yes that was my point

[@digitalpunk5365]

Ss198 does penetrate soft body armor.

[@ericb.4358]

Well that gives me much more faith in my RUGER 57 with its 20 round magazines. (And then there is my PS90 with its 50 round mags. and its significantly higher velocity.) Paper plates and zombies beware!

[@mattwalters6834]

I was going to say, I’ll feel much better when the paper plates attack.

[@one-of-us9939]

I own them both... I totally agree.

[@lostaudio]

PS90 are legally only allowed to have a 30 round (though it can still hold 50). P90 is the 50 round one.

[@mattwalters6834]

@@lostaudio I’ve seen where they’re selling them with 10-30 round mags, I know you can buy the 50 rounders.

[@one-of-us9939]

@@lostaudio maybe where you live. But my PS90 came with a 50.

[@eliteexposure5594]

The hollow point didnt expand because the paper filled it up making it a full metal jacket. There was also no soft tissue or gel to fill the hollow point and the paper was too dense blocking the sides from opening.

[@marcusclarkson2657]

Less to do with density and more compressibility. Hollows expand in fluid ( people ) more because the water does not compress while the dry materials will fill the cavity and compress.

[@josephatnip2398]

Yeah I was thinking the same thing he should have tried some like Hornady critical duty or Hornady critical defense the critical duty has a little bit more penetrating power it's like a plus p ammo and then the critical defense doesn't penetrate as well but it does expand but they made those hollow points not to get all filled up with crap so they expand when they're supposed to

[@Paniro02]

I would like to repeat these tests with the hollow from a longer distance of travel to see if your theory is correct it makes sense but also feel like from a further distance it may also change the reaction

[@BIGGEOFF40]

A good, simple, short, informative ballistics video. 👍🏾

[@natewilliams6657]

I think we can tell the 5.7x28 definitely does have a great tumbling effect, which I understand is even better for home defense because the lesser ability to go through multiple objects. However, the force is still all there. One of my favorite rounds.

[@jorgesolis9468]

What force 🤣 380 would have the same force from a 5 inch barrel

[@nmm8817]

@Jorge Solis even the most powerful 380 acp rounds like Buffalo bore has less energy & velocity than the 5.7. Try independent research on these at home if you don't believe

[@jorgesolis9468]

@@nmm8817 less energy? 5.7 from a 5 inch barrel maxes out at 297 ft lbs while 380 maxes out at 270 ft lbs from a 3.5 inch barrel so extensively that barrel a whole inch and a half and I'll bet that energy is about the same and speed doesnt matter since the 5.7 from a pistol doesnt exceed 2000 fps as it goes through tissue meaning no hydrostatic shock so same energy and no hydrostatic shock

[@jorgesolis9468]

@@nmm8817 your research is faulty because you compared 380 from a shorter barrel rather than same length even from different length 270 ft lbs vs 297 ft lbs the difference is almost negligible dont even say ou it's actually 400 ft lbs because that's only from the 10.50 barrel not the pistol so 380 had the same energy and 5.7 speed doesnt help it at all in wounding

[@jorgesolis9468]

@@nmm8817 some more independent research also shows that the 80 gr +p buffalo bore loses/ gains 100 fps per inc of barrel so extend the 3.5 to a 4.5 and the numbers are 1335 fps for a ft lbs total of 316 ft lbs that's more powerful and still missing half an inch of barrel

[@TucoTheKiller]

Hollow points are hit or miss. Because the hollow portion can fill in with fabric and just basically turn into an fmj.

[@thadiesel7655]

Speer gold dot, federal hst, Remington golden Sabre. I trust them all not to get clogged with fabric. Cops trust them too

[@MarkReviews]

Surprised by that result too! This is a great test...paper plates show things accurately.

[@justinkase1360]

What does that even mean?

[@BJUDG]

Yea especially how much food you eat

[@cobbetlprogrammer1344]

YES do the Green Tips. And PLEASE! Can you get a count of those plates? 1000 or 10,000? Or at Least HOW MANY Stack of Plates per bundle, did you use? 10? 50? This will give us the best Indicator of it's penetration. AND What is the 5.7x28 Gun you have? This is a very intriguing test? Cheers!

[@jamesyerk9157]

i wonder how far the 22 would go

[@stephensuverison6803]

Suprising that only simple paper plates are able to stop those rounds. Pretty cool actually. The A.P. round comparison would be pretty entertaining to watch. ✌😎🎃

[@somerandomdude4522]

I’ll work on finding some. They are hard to get

[@mkendall8393]

Wood pulp and products in general are a great bullet stop. They bunch up in hollow points and the friction slows down the velocities.

[@alexanderslee]

I’m certainly no ballistics expert, but I’ve never seen a test run at such a close distance. In the interest of safety first, I suggest adding more distance between the shooter and the target.

[@RAMDCREATOR]

ME: Paper plate body armor here I come

[@4fastdrs]

Might have seen a difference in the 9mm's out of a longer barrel and more distance between The gun and the target. There was a lot of gunpowder on the 1st plate, Which might have had a chance to burn up in a longer barrel. The distance between the end of the barrel and the target will change both bullets speeds by the time they hit. Good work though, The more videos showing the efficacy of 5.7 In comparison to 9mm will get more people into the round, and drive the price of ammo down. My edc is the same ruger, except I am running a tlr-1.

[@dennisleighton2812]

On the other hand Michael, it would also be very different with the 5,7 x 28 shot from a P90, wouldn't it. All these tests combine aspect of gun, barrel length, and round to produce a "result". But, after doing such tests, what was the conclusion? Surely, if you set out to design a series of tests like this what are you testing? What is the hypothesis, and what is the conclusion in terms of that hypothesis? A test for the sake of doing a test is not worth much more than some KZbinr having some fun out on a range somewhere. To be in any way useful, it must have a purpose! I'm not seeing that purpose.

[@josephatnip2398]

Thing is about the 5-7 is the tumbling effect when it hits human flash it tumbles like the 556 it rips a devastating wound and you can't stop the bleeding it doesn't have the knockdown power but it definitely has the killing power second thing about the 556 is a pistol like the PSA Rock that's 23 rounds it shoots really flat there's no recoil to speak of it's like shooting a 22 which makes a follow-up shots extremely easy and quick the only problem is it's expensive maybe not as quite as expensive as my 45 Long Colt but it's pretty close but as a carry weapon they're relatively thin for a full size gun they feel good in the hand if you like a full size carry it's 23 rounds and if you do have to shoot somebody you're going to hit them like 10 times and still have ammo left over without reloading 🤷‍♂️ people are like what is the 5.7I have a lot of people ask me that question in the easiest explanation I have for that is it's a 556 short it is the difference between a 9 mm and a 380 but I can carry it in a pistol if they made a 5.56 and a pistol I'd carry that thing but it would be huge😂

[@jrhrvy]

Besied cost, 5.7x28 does everything better than 9mm. It's a mean little round. 1,600+ FPS out of 4"-5" barrels is incredible.

[@Jooooeeyyy]

Great video, great test.

[@app1mxh]

Must use similar guns. Barrel length makes a difference

[@alexlo7708]

Hollow point do bad in rigid target but its good when shot in gel.

[@haroldperez4960]

wow almost 3k subs! I see your videos since you had les than 1k subs and it's nice to see your channel growing👌🏼😎

[@mattg8116]

"Yea I got plate armor"

[@kouki180]

Making paper plate body armor now

[@terrynicewonger5434]

Clamping only one side vs 3 axis makes a huge difference in the amount of resistance

[@johnencinas4250]

Test must be done using same (or similar) barrel length; use new paper plates for each test; clamps on paper plates must be same tightness for each test

[@ryanhartigan9979]

Last night I meant to search for 9mm vs 5.7 penetration tests and forgot until this shows up on my feed today. Weird lol

[@somerandomdude4522]

Haha glad I could help

[@funmaster3278]

Good comparison

[@theodorebreedlove8419]

Each shot needs to be on mew plates!

[@jasoncown]

They're paper, I don't think it makes much of a difference in the structural integrity of each plate...

[@cyndicox9735]

Paper plates who knew? Super surprised by their ability to stop those bullets.

[@PineTreePal]

Wood doesn’t stop being wood

[@that1s3curityguard26]

@@PineTreePal exactly it just evolves.

[@mgord9518]

Paper is tough shit

[@WeSelflessFew]

@@PineTreePal Excellent comment

[@graemestephensen1778]

I would really like to know the brand of 5.7 x 28 used here. It was obviously not the common FN SS197SR, but WHAT was it please?

[@goodheart9706]

Thanks for 💐everything my dear

[@PhilJLF]

People need to start testing with green tips to see the real capability … although there are 9mm AP rounds (that go through 3A) the legal ones are too rare and too expensive to find compared to 5.7 green tips

[@jazzp81]

I like this. Excellent idea

[@matthewramirez239]

I think for a comparable test you should do it with a similar barrel length. You're measuring penetration but using the shortest possible barrel for the 9mm.

[@rippenrip6342]

Don't matter I own all the calibers there is no 9mm with the capability of the 57

[@johnryan6658]

​@@rippenrip6342 The 5.7 doesn't penetrate for shit. Most 5.7 rounds won't even meet the FBI's MINIMUM penetration requirements.

[@a9five]

Heck yeah 223 and 57 got to have them on me!

[@dapemarots7583]

Good job, new sub.

[@Rick-fe8xn]

They also make other types of 57 ammo I am trying to get but pricey

[@somerandomdude4522]

Yeah. It’s super annoying

[@Javed-Qaisrani]

Great test 👍

[@jasoncox2606]

Definitely do the amor piercing 5.7x28 compared to regular 50 cal.

[@ElectricLarry__]

That had the most dumbest and irrelevant comparison I ever read on YT

[@Staxx1x7]

300 💪🏿👍🏿 I’m looking for green tips to man. Shits rough out here 🥲

[@josephbeaver3574]

Don't waste your money on the red box 5.7 been tips they are not armor piercing or anything they are only all copper rounds and are geen because no lead so better for the environment I have a box of the green tips I'll post on my youtube I played around 2 per rpund and was very disappointed after shooting them

[@turdfurg1517]

Joseph Beaver So then what are you shooting?

[@justinbobbitt6835]

Next time mayb do 1 stack of plates per bullet cause they r feeling twice the energy. Just an idea. Cool video.

[@terresabauman3897]

That was really interesting. I thought the FMJ would have penetrated much further than the hollow point too. I s'pose the paper just doesn't cause the same level of expansion like a fleshy type target would (like ballistic gel). Oh, and while I'm thinking about it, I saw your comment on DemoRanch about the 100lb rubber band ball. Any news? And one more thing. My BF has been subscribed to your channel for a long time and really enjoys your videos. His birthday is coming up and after I watched (he's at work) this I thought to myself that getting that 5.7x28 round (his fav pistol caliber) you fired through the plates and then me putting it on a necklace as a B-Day present for him would be awesome! He would totally love it. I'm going to try my best to keep him from seeing this as he usually doesn't read through comments unless he himself makes one. Keep up the great videos and thank you in advance for reading and considering. 🙂

[@somerandomdude4522]

Rubber band ball is doing great. I have an update video coming out soon about it. If you follow me on Instagram and message me I can get your address and try to send you one next time I shoot that gun. 👍

[@terresabauman3897]

@@somerandomdude4522 Awesome! I'll get IG installed. Thank you so much! 🙂

[@jarenkolder8826]

i think we need to see the 50cal now

[@7150285]

WhoTeeWho did the .50cal and .338 go check out his channel.

[@MRX-rr5xf]

I wouldn't say the 5.7 project small when it stands say height as a 5.56 223 it's only small in weight just like 5.56

[@aaronwibbenmeyer1662]

Literally never been this early before Not a huge fan of these calibers more of a 45 LC SA guy You should do a 45LC vs 357 mag comparison

[@mr.nobody68]

You know what I'm gonna say How many to stop the 50

[@mcmoose64]

You will get better expansion with the hollow point on a wet target .

[@NatureShortsShow]

The hollow point of this video is that the full metal jacket didn't come in a full suit.

[@mussersbowsboatsandscience6610]

wow a lot more!

[@rlm2010az]

Great vid

[@ilyasisa4150]

Нow long is 5.7 legal in USA?

[@NatureShortsShow]

I am up for anything with amour piecing

[@somerandomdude4522]

That’s what I like to hear

[@RetiredBadge]

I would like to see the FN With the Hornady V Blue tip.

[@greatsentinel6964]

do we need to test hollow point vs fmj ?

[@dgebenjii]

Nice video

[@coreyskern3288]

dang that was cool

[@producedbyeli.1902]

I got 500 paper plates sitting by the bed now 🛡️

[@orozcocris93]

green tip please and also where you got it lol

[@T59-j7k]

I would have measured the distance before taking apart

[@michaelgiovanniello3230]

which 5.7x28 was it? how many grains?

[@jameswatson5640]

That’s what I was wondering

[@profesonalantagonist]

It looks like the American Eagle 40 grain ball round.

[@robertduncan2742]

Also a great post

[@lvwookie3164]

Nice video 👍 Was just thinking about that FMJ vs Hollow point

[@remingtonsmith734]

I haven’t watched you for a while I accidentally unsubbed but got you recommend again

[@somerandomdude4522]

Welcome back. Glad you found me again

[@gardnerwebb3749]

More 5.7x28 videos

[@somerandomdude4522]

Deal

[@mrblackj5787]

Good show thanks

[@brucejoyce655]

The only thing the 5.7 has over the 9 mm is that it can shoot faster and flatter plus less recoil ... 9 mm does more damage but is slower and has more recoil. Any bullet will work with proper placement.

[@boboh8209]

Ur bullet caught a bunch of layers of plates and had no liquid for expansion bc they arent liquid the bullet just got packed full and the plate fragments caused it to act more like a fmj

[@alanlee9585]

Hell yeah green tip next

[@J.Sanchez210BxB]

Should’ve scoot back some and gave the bullets a better chance to travel more and let the hollow point expand

[@petergriffin383]

The instant the bullet leaves the barrel it starts losing velocity, so moving back wouldn't make a difference.

[@mantellim5489]

Dude why are you shooting so close

[@consody]

Wow, nice video, also why are plates so strong, other than that amazing video and sorry I was late

[@somerandomdude4522]

It went through almost 600 plates so that’s pretty good. Thanks for always watching

[@consody]

@@somerandomdude4522 thx for always replying

[@johansjr]

Green Tips 👍

[@brucejoyce655]

The hollow point needed moisture to expand

[@texan8087]

tiny..... but will still put you down

[@BlackSkyMusicTV]

I dont get how prople say 9mm pemetrates more than 57? 57 goes 2300+ fps which means that ha smore speed and speed penetrates so i dont get it ehy yall say 9mm has more penetration than a 57, that makes no sense

[@jorgesolis9468]

Not 2300 you're reading the speed for a 10.5 inch barrel in a pistol it loses 300-500 fps so 2000 fps and yeah 9mm can penetrate more in living tissue because it has more weight and actually punches through while the 5.7 just smacks into the tissue faster and losing momentum fast due to light weight

[@johnryan6658]

Have you seen any 5.7 ballistics gel test ever? Most rounds won't even meet the FBI MINIMUM penetration requirements. Many much slower rounds will meet the FBI 12 - 18 inch standard. Velocity isn't everything. For example, 9mm definitely penetrates water deeper than .223/5.56.

[@rippenrip6342]

I have a 57 why not just shoot in dirt and measure the depth paper plates dont compare to flesh then step off 150 yards and see the difference

[@WV591]

9mm for self-defense all the way.

[@ShastaBean]

to each their own, but may want to gather some more info on that stance. Lighter recoil, higher round capacity, and more tissue damage with actually less (over) penetration - still sufficient - just not over penetrate with something like the FN 40gr v-max blue tip. So it's better at penetrating barriers (like much body-armor or paper plates), and better at creating damage, and better at staying in tissue with massive energy-dump & easier to shoot for faster follow up shots. Right, 9mm for defense.

[@ShastaBean]

One factor that 9mm wins, hands-down, is the sub-compact & shorter barrel options. So when it comes to carrying concealed in a barrel in the 3" range, yes 9mm all the way. The 5.7 will print far more. But if I am walking the dog around my area at night and the threat javalinas bring...it's the 5.7 every time.

[@robertsims3759]

9mm hands down because if you cant feed it you don't need it. You'll find ammo for it.

[@johnryan6658]

​@@ShastaBean Oh, you're right about less penetration. Most 5.7 rounds won't even meet the FBI's MINIMUM penetration standards.

[@ShastaBean]

@@johnryan6658 that depends on whether a person is smart enough to seek out proper loads - or is resourceful enough to load their own. If one is only going to use the "FBI influenced" rounds being put out by Fiocchi that are clearly being weakened (due to how dramatically effective the cartridge really is and is why they restrict or pull factory ammo that works), then they will likely find difficulty getting desired terminal effect. Since our lovely exchanges last year or whenever, I've done over 50 gel tests myself in 5.7. The caliber works. I could easily sit & type out a list of loads that demonstrate counter to your claim, but neh. They're scattered throughout my playlist.

[@RubiconSS26]

If I am ever at a picnic and get attacked by a stack of rogue paper plates I will be sure to grab one of my guns and unleash fury and justice upon them so sayeth....((-:)

[@southern_merican]

I know random dudes, but not this random dude!

[@anthonypeters1797]

so... 9mm is more lethal is what ur saying

[@ShastaBean]

not really. This is really a sort of barrier-testing comparison. Not tissue damage. The 5.7 beats 9mm in that. Also, in tissue or gel, the 9mm actually will over penetrate more than something like v-max 40gr which has massive energy dump to create damage (lethal). Easier to shoot in terms of recoil and follow-up shots. Higher capacity & lighter. 9mm is better suited for barrels 4" and under for those compact & sub options.

[@robertduncan2742]

Seems the way Illinois is going gun owners will need to be rich with background checks 3xs for each gun bought

[@shortbedgameskreshfulloffi1826]

Try blue tips

[@skyportalmusic7178]

Jesus Loves You

[@therifleman5611]

Yes he does. And I love Jesus

[@markellrobinson4447]

I got both at home

[@FloridaHustle239]

Black tip is ap not green has be certain type 😊 believe it ss190

[@one-of-us9939]

I made 420👍 (great #) into 421... sorry.

[@redfishbluefish965]

Pen vs impact...impact wins...

[@jimmycharlene]

Soak a phone book let it dry then shoot your hollows in it for expansion test... range hack

[@georgesafford8663]

American ammo is Junk.

[@mikepringle3275]

The 5.7 out of a handgun is DOES NOT go through body armor unless you can find the SS190 5.7 round which is banned otherwise it is no better than any other round. Your test are not real world and why are you shooting the paper plates so close and it is not a fair comparison with different barrel lengths.

[@americanstrong8724]

Anything moving over 2000 fps typically defeats average body armor. This is old common knowledge. No special round is needed just velocity chief

[@johnryan6658]

You are assuming they are moving at 2,000 fps. Many don't. He didn't say which load.

[@lucianobarbianidecabalheir3892]

Muito perto

[@joeywilliams1302]

I believe the 9mm is a better round . It makes a bigger hole & it has pretty good penetration .

[@craigthescott5074]

9mm doesn’t penetrate body armor. The 5.7 does, the 5.7 has 30% less recoil than the 9mm and 5.7 handguns carry more rounds 20 or more depending on the handgun. The 5.7 shoots flatter and is more accurate at distance. The 5.7 round was developed to outperform the 9mm, and it does except for 1 thing, Cost.

[@sparky_-mf2cs]

@@craigthescott5074 take away body armor and im pretty sure a 9mm would do alot more damage...

[@jorgesolis9468]

@@craigthescott5074 only like 3 5.7 rounds penetrate body armor and actually 9mm tui could penetrate it as well it can penetrate 2 level 2 plates and is still cheaper

[@chosensoul323]

@@craigthescott5074 lol it's called head shot .

[@craigthescott5074]

@@chosensoul323 easier said then done and I’ve personally seen 9mm rounds skirt around a guys head and never penetrate the skull. I was a cop for 33 years. The 5.7 would not do that.

[@hawghawg381]

Hollow points are gimmick to make money. Training ammo is cheaper and will get the job done

[@thadiesel7655]

More than 1 job. Might go thru and hit somebody else

[@speedlife301]

The point of hollow points is to f your target up not someone else or your drywall. Hollow points do more damage inside than a full jacket that goes straight thru.

[@hawghawg381]

@@thadiesel7655 combat is combat collateral damage is expected.

[@thadiesel7655]

@hawghawg381 lol. I feel ya. Hopefully I'll never see combat.. just wanna protect mine from the mfs threatening me

[@jorgesolis9468]

Pointless round only 2 or 3 loads can penetrate body armor and they're hard to find in ballistics gel thebwpulds are no bigger than 9mm, and it's not going fast enough to cause hydrostatic shock, and not enough energy to cause hydraulic shock either

[@alexandrebarbosa4933]

So...the 5.7 is more of a noveltie, an answer to a problem that doesn't exist. It's expensive and looks like it is made for injure bystanders..you can't shoot it in self defense because you have to look way beyond your target

[@craigthescott5074]

It doesn’t penetrate that much Chief.

[@JWG2014]

No… the 5.7 was designed to urban warfare. It made to fragment and be non-lethal after passing threw the first object. The point was so it would not over penetrate and kill someone in the next apartment pr exit a body and kill the person behind them. NATO just adopted the round and the secrete service wanted to carry it but the cost of training and weapon Chang rover was very high. You sound like a typical person that has never shot one, lots of options with no info. You may want to do some reading on it. By the way.. you should always look beyond your target regardless of what you have. Also standard ss197 ammo is accurate at 200m, has very low recoil and standard 20 round mags.

[@buddysumner4022]

I don’t understand the hype over the 5.7, I think it is a useless caliber

[@gregory3557]

23 round mag capacity

[@buddysumner4022]

@@gregory3557 just a glorified 22 mag,

[@gregory3557]

@@buddysumner4022 I love mine it's like an ar 15 pistol. With bigger projectiles than a 22 are 556.