9x19mm, 115gr JHP, 9BPLE +P+, Federal Ammunition, Velocity and Gel (V.G)

[@DanTheWolfman]

Hi guys, would you plz allow me to post my 2nd "Modern Meat Target" kzbin.info/www/bejne/kGqsl4l5mbmcpsU +P vs +P+ Is Plus P Velocity More Effective? Leave me a comment let me know what you think! FYI I tested 9bple in my 1st one!

[@BuffRANGE]

Sure thing!

[@DanTheWolfman]

@@BuffRANGE Thanks Man!

[@robpelick7460]

One of the best of the venerable "cup and core" ammo designs of the past. Extremely accurate as well.

[@hogfanbk]

I've actually witnessed the effectiveness of this round in real time. One and done both times.

[@351WINCHESTER]

This is some serious ammo. It was first made for our Border Patrol in standard, +P & +P+ formats. It was probably the best 9mm ammo for several decades.

[@daddybeagleaz907]

It's still damn good, 2 friends and I use it

[@jmoney7289]

This is what Hank from Breaking Bad disrespected, in favor of his disgusting model 22 Glock in the pitiful .40 S&W.... We all know how that turned out 😮

[@andycraig6905]

@@jmoney7289 if you choose the right ammo, it becomes 10mm short. Same with this load, it's a .357 short.

[@LRO1986]

@@jmoney7289LOL 😂😂😂😂

[@brianhunter8627]

many law enforcement agencies use this exact load and it is very very effective

[@davidpeterson6147]

the BP in the 9BPLE stands for Border Patrol. I love this ammo and get is very cheap in surplus sales.

[@joedoole3527]

A lot of smaller agencies still have quantities of this load but most major metro departments have switched to newer more effective loadings such as Gold Dot, Federal HST/Tactical Bonded, Critical Duty, Ranger T series etc. However in the 90s and early 2000s this load was in 70% of the holsters across the US. Also BP is simply federals product code; they have a standard pressure 9BP, the +P+ "law enforcement" load 9BPLE etc. It's simply product code for the 9mm 115 Hi shok loading in various forms.

[@justinv3080]

Joe Doole Yep, if they're still using this today it's not because it's the best round available it's because of price.

[@mmabagain]

Yes it does.

[@jpb1231000]

@@joedoole3527More affective in Jello tests!!!

[@jpb1231000]

I got some of these to feed my Beretta 92X Compact... Me and Buddy got a good deal on 1000 so we split it... Gonna try it in a Sub 2000 too... I actually LOVE mine!!!

[@MC-uj4co]

I'm able to get it for 20.00 a box of 50 it's good ammo

[@nigeltheoutlaw]

Sub 2000 isn't even rated for +p, let alone +p+, so please do not do that.

[@jpb1231000]

@@nigeltheoutlaw Yes it is...

[@nigeltheoutlaw]

@@jpb1231000 Unless the gen 3 changed it, the manufacturer says not to use +p or +p+, but do what you want.

[@jpb1231000]

@@nigeltheoutlaw owners manual has a GRAPH with +p in it!@!! Besides that .. NOTHING! Gen 1-3!!!

[@classicgunstoday1972]

I recently switched to this ammo for my M9 Beretta. Great record for doing what it was designed to do. Very inexpensive to buy and practice with.

[@rifleshooterchannel208]

This is not a requirement but if you plan on shooting a lot of it it might help to get a slightly heavier recoil spring in a 92 series gun.

[@classicgunstoday1972]

Rifle Shooter Channel i’ve thought about that and I think you can order a recoil buffer too. But the gun is pretty sturdy as is and the ammo, while hot isn’t really that hot from what I’ve read. And I don’t plan on shooting 1000 rounds of 9BPLE a week.

[@rifleshooterchannel208]

ClassicGunsToday ClassicGunsToday Yeah I mean the border patrol didn’t have too many issues when they had the 92s so you should be fine. I heard their 96s got beat up pretty bad though when they were using what is essentially the .40S&W version of this load, it was 155gr at nearly 1300fps that is a monster round.

[@classicgunstoday1972]

Rifle Shooter Channel wow! I never knew they went to so heavy a load in 9mm. Thought they stuck to 9bple until the switch to .40 S&W.

[@rifleshooterchannel208]

ClassicGunsToday ClassicGunsToday Oh sorry I should’ve clarified, the 96 is the .40 caliber version of the 92. That 155gr load was a .40 S&W load. It was hotter than even the 150gr Corbon loading.

[@CenlaSelfDefenseConcepts]

My god could you imagine some SWAT officer with a MP5 putting a burst of these into somebody?

[@CenlaSelfDefenseConcepts]

Dang I wish I would have kept buying this when it was 25 a box I switched to underwood 124 +p+ bonded because I wanted a load with a modernized bonded bullet but dang 1440 fps out of a scorpion evo? That is nuts

[@edspamjunk3023]

I still have 5 boxes of this. In a Hi-Point carbine it is wicked. I shoot some of this in a PT99AFS, but I really need like a S&W Shield to carry using this ammo. I know, any excuse to buy a new firearm :P - Ed

[@brianhunter8627]

These also used to be a little bit hotter, or maybe its just your geographic location I.E altitude or feet above see level but ive seen these exact rounds from a glock 19 at 1350fps

[@BuffRANGE]

+Brian Hunter perhaps polygonal rifling help?

[@brianhunter8627]

yea could be, not that it really matters much but just something i noticed.

[@BuffRANGE]

Brian Hunter I have my G19, I'll check some next time I'm out.

[@brianhunter8627]

cool pall ide be curious to see what velocity you get, as always i appreciate your hard work and look forward to your future videos!

[@brianhunter8627]

yea these suckers seriously move and penetrate very well, 115gr isnt that light like some people say, its almost as heavy as a 7.62x39 projectile

[@craigdamage]

As of late Aug 2018 this stuff is $15 box of 50 if you check ammoseek.

[@Ulisest91]

Hah sike (cries in 2020)

[@craigdamage]

@@Ulisest91 I'm crying now in Jan 2022. I should have bought more goddam boxes!!!!

[@joedoole3527]

This load can be fired in any 9mm rated for standard +P. Loads like Buffalo Bore, Underwood, even the Winchester Ranger T in +P+ are MUCH higher pressure than the 9BPLE. It was concocted with the S&W 5900 style of pistol in mind and is relatively low pressure for a 115 defensive loading. It is quite accurate though and can be effective as long as barriers are not encountered such as auto glass, thick jackets etc. Then it tends to fail and act like a FMJ.

[@336W]

I have seen tests with the FBI 4 layers of denim, and it still opens up, fragments a bit, and penetrates approx 13.5".

[@classicgunstoday1972]

I just checked Buffalo Bore. They list 1406 fps out of a Beretta 92. The video here clocks Federal BPLE at 1325 fps. I clocked my M9 Beretta between 1322-1343 recently. Is the 50-80 fps difference worth the high cost of hyperammo like Buffalo or Underwood? The Federal to me is perfect for designed purpose

[@user-ud2ij7ro5c]

A great round to have on hand.

[@gothboi71]

Good job, always wondered about this round.

[@TreeWizard648]

Have you ever considered 9mm tests with a 16+ inch barrel using a carbine such as a Hi Point, Kel tec Sub-2000, or a Beretta Cx4 storm?

[@BuffRANGE]

I did in a few tests, and the velocity was at times only 20-30 fps faster than the 7.72

[@craigdamage]

!6" is too long for 9mm. Anything longer than about 12 or 13 inches will be just barrel drag.

[@Troacoli]

I need to find a couple boxes if they are priced reasonably. I'm sure it will be ok for carry and limited use in a Glock or M&P.

[@user-oy9zy4ds9m]

Underwood's +P+ is MUCH hotter, from 4" bbl 115's are going 1450!!!! Insane.

[@BuffRANGE]

We have verification of this? Should I try and source some?

[@user-oy9zy4ds9m]

Tnoutdoors9 video from years back. 5 shot average from glock 19 was 1436. One shot went 1453

[@JohnJohnson-wo6wk]

I lost your email, but if you want to test the Underwood (and maybe Corbin and double tap) I’m happy to send you some. (I provided the v57 ammo for a previous test)

[@rifleshooterchannel208]

Buffman - R.A.N.G.E. I can verify this. They use Winchester Autocomp and I cloned their ammo myself and got 1430 from a USP9 with a 115gr Gold Dot.

[@MrSGL21]

@@rifleshooterchannel208 i'd love to know your charge weight. thats a load i want to duplicate for myself. 1430 is shit hot.

[@freshfowler1398]

The sun got ur velocities up a lil during the gel test.. great vid!! Nice round with a lot of street credentials!!👍

[@chucknicholson7647]

Actually Corbon 115 grain JHP +P has as much if not a little more velocity and ft pound energy as this Federal 115 JHP +P+ does and it will even function good in a Kel-Tec P11!

[@johndaugherty4127]

I love federal fmj

[@corpsie666]

Who the fudge gave this a thumbs down?

[@Ifoughtpiranhas]

"From the muggers whom I wasted with the mighty 9BPLE." -Charles Bronson

[@Kasakee2]

Looking forward to the t series bro

[@BuffRANGE]

Yeah, I hope to work on it this week. I got it tested, but felt this had been lingering in the work folder for 2 months it was time to get it done :D

[@CallofDoobie585]

Buffman - R.A.N.G.E. how come in some rounds were seeing that angled expansion? is it trajectory related or how the road just goes in a little wonky?

[@charleshuyck6641]

This is strange out of duty weapons this always does 14 inches +

[@TheBiggestIron]

one word, "hot"

[@joeniccoli1916]

Are the bullets Hydra Shocks?

[@BuffRANGE]

Nope these are a different design.

[@joeniccoli1916]

@@BuffRANGE I think they're Hi-Shoks I did a little research in the last 15 minutes : )

[@BuffRANGE]

@@joeniccoli1916 I believe that's the one!

[@shadowkungfu]

Thanks for the video. Do you think that the standard pressure 9BP would do better in retaining weight in longer/SMG barrel? Are you going to do a 9BP video? Thanks

[@BuffRANGE]

Probably not anytime soon. G2 Gold Dots are next.

[@corpsiecorpsie_the_original]

Is the +P+ version worth it over the normal version of this round?

[@BuffRANGE]

Corpsie Corpsie i think it has merits in longer barrels. Definitely not a pocket carry load

[@justinv3080]

Corpsie Corpsie The normal version of this round is actually pretty useless since it needs high velocity to expand the standard pressure usually won't expand at all especially from shorter barrels. Stick to HST guns that can't get the full potential of this

[@MrSGL21]

fires two shots with the sig and it jams. i just do not understand people. this is a load thats been around longer than many shooters these days has been alive. you'd think a pistol would run it. and if it were a glock, a beretta, or a smith and wesson it would. but not sig. why do people buy this trash? it costs as much as two shields and doesn't work!

[@BuffRANGE]

What typically happens with this gun, is I'm left handed and with the harder recoiling +P and +P+, it causes the gun to rock more in my hand and I usually hit the mag release with my trigger finger. This then drops the mag ever so slightly and the next round jams because of it. It's one reason I want to get a 365, Hellcat or Shield.

[@MrSGL21]

@@BuffRANGE I have the sheild and it eats ammo that will chock a glock 17. feature wise the Hellcat is the new hotness. the p365 breaks strikers.

[@MrSGL21]

@Patrick Elliott you do know its well documented the p365 has a breakage prone striker right?

[@MrSGL21]

@Patrick Elliott is that the lie Sig is telling? i know of one guy who went through 3 p365s before giving up. hell i've seen 3 or 4 break just on youtube alone. thats a tip of the iceberg, Harry's holsters broke, Mac's broke, carry trainer's broke and he fixed it with an aftermarket part. go read some forums, comments etc. its not 1/2 of 1%. not by a long shot. sig usa has a well documented history of using its customers for beta testing their products. the p320, the 556 r, the p365 and those are the ones i can name off the top of my head. but you know, whatever you have to tell yourself.

[@lonewolf6118]

Ok boomer

[@D5quared91]

Performed like SHIT from the 5” bbl Beretta.

[@kevincollins4682]

It actually performed great!

[@grigorirasputin5020]

Velocity seemed anemic for a 5"barrel given the 9BPLE is rated at 1300 FPS. I believe Federal has seriously watered down a lot of their best rounds, to include the 9BPLE and HST's in recent years.