(1 Shot Stop) 9mm Winchester Ranger 127gr +P+ VS Federal 115gr +P+ *9BPLE* Ballistics Gel Test

[@CeltKnight]

When a Glock is an "old school gun" I know I'm finally, actually old. I was issued 9BPLE for my 9mm duty handguns back in the day. I still have several boxes of it. It's what's in most of my 9s to this day.

[@Followme556]

They're 40 years old now. If you bought a Glock the day they came out on your 21st birthday you'd be in your 60s now. Crazy.

[@FoulPet]

Music I grew up with is now on the oldies radio station

[@Followme556]

@@FoulPet Nirvanna and Pearl Jam are oldies now. LOL.

[@FoulPet]

@@Followme556 That's so weird

[@Followme556]

@@FoulPet Sure makes us feel old, right? Freakin' SLAYER is an oldie, lol.

[@maxmccain8950]

The 9BP has been around for quite some time. It was always known as a man stopper. The quick energy dump contributed to that. When the LE version came out it just enhanced the effect. It’s always been a great round. It feeds well in almost everything. I had an old Browning High Power that would only feed hardball, and 9BPLE.

[@Valorius]

I just bought a 1000rd case of 9BPLE 2 days ago...what a coincidence. I've been using this stuff for decades (along with a few others). Not only is it very powerful, it is very, very accurate out of every gun I've ever shot it from. The best part about it is the price though. This stuff can routinely be had for about one third to one half the price of most premium self defense rounds. Thanks for the testing, good video.

[@AzAirgunner.]

💪💯 Very cool, good score. That's crazy that u can find it so cheap. I just happened to come across this one at a local shop and they wanted a arm and a leg for it lol. It was worth it for the test though. Thanks again for the shout out and for checkin it out, I appreciate ya!!

[@dennisr6385]

@Valorius where did you find 1k case for sale? I'm interested in some!

[@Valorius]

@@dennisr6385 ammoseek

[@Valorius]

@@dennisr6385 I tried to answer you, but youtube is deleting my response. Sorry man, but if you "seek" it out online, you will find it no problem. ;)

[@kevinrichardson8859]

​@@dennisr6385same here

[@zacgaylor1518]

Thank you for not using clear gel.

[@Tom-cp6yj]

The old Corbon 115+p rated at 1350 was a man stopper

[@ryanranard5187]

They still make it. I have some that I just recently ordered.

[@Followme556]

@@ryanranard5187 they use a different bullet now. It has done very poorly in several recent gel tests on youtube.

[@-CHeWy-]

Most Corbon rounds suck..

[@Followme556]

@@-CHeWy- Their solid copper barnes rounds are really good, but pricey.

[@markhamersly1664]

I've been using the 9BPLE load since the late 1980s. The three Marshall & Sanow books put it at the very top of the documented street results. Today, in all of my carry guns, the Hellcat, the G-19, and the CZ-75 Compact (NOT the PCR-it has an alloy frame), with their short barrels, I carry and practice with +P+ only. My Agency at the Border called the combination of the 9BPLE load and our Glocks the ideal combination. BP Agent John Jacobs of our National Firearms Unit wrote a report to that effect that was printed in their second book. Just a thought--WHY does nobody highlight the value of the HUGE temporary wound cavity that these produce? Hammer. 43+ year Firearms Instructor; USAF SSgt; US Army CW4/SrAviator; INS/ICE/CBP, ret.

[@nicholasroberts9618]

I've spoken to a few ret BP guy's that said the same about their 125gr SJHP 357mag and always wondered if the 9bple was designed to emulate that specific 357mag?

[@classicgunstoday1972]

Very nice demo and performance. I use the 9BPLE myself and recently. Very good round that has stood the test of time that is open to the citizen market and no longer restricted by Federal to “Law Enforcement Only”.

[@spydercomonkey]

Wonderful test, thank you. Shockingly high velocity from the 127gr, highest I've ever seen it chrono'd at.

[@Valorius]

Wow 1343 for the RA9TA is hotter than Underwood or Buffalo Bore 124gr loadings. Amazing performance! You can see why both of these OG Police 9mm+P+ rounds are legendary real world performers.

[@ryanranard5187]

It’s about on par with the Underwood. He’s using a 4.5” barrel and getting a little more velocity.

[@Valorius]

@@ryanranard5187 Generally in most tests for RA9TA (going back decades even) it's around 1250 from service length pistols, I wonder if they are loading it hotter nowadays? Underwood is typically 1300fps from a G17 in my tests.

[@AzAirgunner.]

@@Valorius The box I have is a pretty old one from 02, seems to be pretty warm. I did a off cam test with the 3.1" barrel and actually got some impressive velocities, around 1270+. I'll do a few more tests with it soon and see if we get the same results or at least some kind of consistency. Thanks again for checkin it out, I appreciate ya😁.

[@thepatriotsrage661]

@@Valorius The 1250fps is from a shorter barrel, I've seen loadings of the 127gr +P+ Ranger T do 1300fps from a 4" Glock 19. Longer service length barrels will get you in excess of 1300fps as demonstrated here.

[@Valorius]

@@AzAirgunner. I wonder if being stored for the last 21 years in a potentially unknown set of circumstances caused the pressure to spike and velocity to increase a bit? Whatever the case that stuff is cooking you are practically at 357 Magnum velocity. Which aint bad!

[@Valorius]

I'm giving you a shout out for this test on my community page, great data thanks for your effort!

[@AzAirgunner.]

Thank you buddy I really appreciate that!!

[@Valorius]

@@AzAirgunner. hey man we little guntubers can network and put each others work out there to help each other out. Subscribed.👍

[@Valorius]

@@AzAirgunner. apparently many of my posts in this comment section are not posting, can you check to see if they need approval?

[@AzAirgunner.]

@@Valorius No sir they do not need approval, YT has been deleting many comments lately including my own, don't know why. I noticed a lot of other channels with the same issue. Sorry buddy.

[@Valorius]

@@AzAirgunner. they're not deleted, they're shadow banned. i can see them, but no one else can. Go figure. Have a good day man.

[@bullaaron]

I have run both of those rounds quite a bit. Great ammo and video.

[@AzAirgunner.]

Thanks buddy!! It was good to see them both do as well as they did, was a fun test.

[@JohnLee-jk5ew]

@@AzAirgunner.where on earth??? Old Heads are correct on these rounds, back in my day!! No Shlt those things are nasty

[@jpb1231000]

1st Video and I'm IMPRESSED!!! You do great work!!!! Just bought some BPLE today! This is my 4th video on it .... I watched 3 B4 purchase and yours may b the best! NEW SUBB!!!!

[@AzAirgunner.]

Thank you very much, I really appreciate that and thank you for the support!! I'm glad u enjoyed it and found it helpful😁. Great choice, it's definitely a nasty round. Plenty comin my friend😁. Thanks again!!

[@funwithballistics1016]

9BPLE was the best performing jhp in the Strasbourg tests with an incapacitation time of 8.9 seconds and an impact velocity of 1311 fps. In Marshall and Sanows book "Handgun Stopping Power" they documented 56 shootings in which the 9BPLE scored a 1 shot stop in 50 of them giving it an 89.28% effectiveness rating.

[@rifleshooterchannel208]

The Strasbourg tests literally never happened.

[@funwithballistics1016]

@@rifleshooterchannel208 it did

[@rifleshooterchannel208]

@@funwithballistics1016 There is literally zero evidence it happened and the “testing parameters” are nonsense.

[@davewilson3893]

Imagine a double tap!

[@Followme556]

@@rifleshooterchannel208 here comes the guy whose screen name is rifleshooterchannel but who has no content. Shouldn't you be out hunting rabbits, Elmer?

[@dustinmcgill8255]

That was a pretty good vid .. also like the 40sw vs 10mm

[@AzAirgunner.]

Thank you, I appreciate u checkin em out!!

[@ruderod]

Thank you for another great video 👍🏽

[@AzAirgunner.]

Thank you buddy!

[@robertmakowski7808]

...love that fast expanding Federal...

[@AzAirgunner.]

💪💯 Heck yeah, it did a lot better than I expected it too.

[@Valorius]

@@AzAirgunner. Really? In what way? Federal 9BPLE is an absolutely legendary street performer (both of these rounds are)

[@jpb1231000]

@@Valorius Give'm a break .... Different generation.... At LEAST he's making some of the best ammo vids on Y/T instead of going Libtard!!! 😊 ....

[@Valorius]

@@jpb1231000 Very true. He's doing great videos, no doubt.

[@jasonkeating9958]

That Winchester is in lower powered 357 mag territory nice

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

Good matchup 👍

[@AzAirgunner.]

Thank you sir!! I appreciate that and I really appreciate u checkin it out😁. Was definitely a fun test. I'll have a shorty barrel test up soon with it. Thanks again!!

[@Valorius]

There he is! Hey brother!

[@JimD410]

Cool test Happy Turkey 🦃 day!

[@AzAirgunner.]

Thanks buddy, Happy Turkey Day!! 🦃🦃

[@JimD410]

​@@AzAirgunner.Can you test them NovX fluted rounds that are 1700fps? Also I know I asked before but I'd like to see them underwood 9mm Hero rounds that 1700fps.

[@AzAirgunner.]

@@JimD410 Yessir, I sure can. Sorry I haven't gotten to it yet. I haven't made a UW order in a while but that's definitely on the list. Thank you for the reminder. I'll put that towards the top of the test list, I have so much to get done lol.

[@boostimalaka1]

The Federal Red and White box was loaded hot to the newer White Box 115 grain +P+. My first service ammunition was the 124 grain Hydrashok +P+ in the Red and White boxes. In the mid 90’s they switched the box to the gold color. One of the Firearms Training Unit officers was telling me that the new boxes aren’t as hot as the original ones. My department went with the Winchester SXT 124 grain +P and the velocity was a little higher to the Federal Hydrashok +P+.

[@steventhomas7844]

Happy Thanksgiving!

[@AzAirgunner.]

Happy Thanksgiving buddy!! 🦃 🦃

[@davidwoolard1264]

This is impressive but I've seen other vids of it not expanding with the 4 layers of denim.

[@AzAirgunner.]

I have also. In those tests they are usually using clear ballistics, not the same as organic gel. The clear is a lil harder test to get expansion. Thanks for checkin it out!!

[@davidwoolard1264]

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[@Followme556]

It is a good thing that literally no one wears 4 layers of denim.

[@JoseFlores-pm7qg]

Two for flinching!👊👊

[@AzAirgunner.]

Lol that brass hit me square in face/eye pro, wasn't expecting it😄. Thanks for checkin it out!!

[@allenbolen9705]

I’ve seen the Ranger T and defenders fail heavy clothing test!

[@davewilson3893]

Really impressive for the 9mm. I wonder how the Cor bon 115+p 9mm would fair against the federal round. Thx for your work!

[@Followme556]

Fed 9BPLE and the OG Corbon Sierra 115+P are analagous in performance.

[@Followme556]

@@nicholasroberts9618 Corbon never made a 9mm +P+ under Peter Pi. Their 9mm Sierra (the original bullet brand) was listed as +P, probably so it didn't upset ammo Karens who swear Glocks aren't rated for +P+.

[@G79911997]

This load goes 1380 FPS average in my Glock 34 with a 17L barrel 6.02"... smokin load. One of my nickel casings had a split.. out of 6 rounds shot. I saved the rest of the 50 rd case for me😉

[@SG-hh9lu]

What gun did you use for this test

[@bobsmoot2392]

Didn't you switch the names on the bullet paths? The Win was on the left. It had a bigger cavity and definitely penetrated more.

[@drewday6109]

Try some defiant munitions!!!

[@AzAirgunner.]

I definitely will soon, looks like some good stuff.

[@hugohurter3564]

I have a Canik TP9 DA and was wondering if anyone has shot +p+ with a Canik because I can't find anywhere that tells me if the barrel or chamber is NATO or CIP or SAAMI approved

[@angrysheepdog9744]

Thanks for this test AZA. The 127gr Ranger is super impressive at 1348fps. Soy boys will say that’s acceptable 357SIG velocity but we know it starts at 1500 and up from there. These 9mm are on the ragged edge of performance matching 9mm Major velocity. If you can get 1348 from a 127gr the 115gr should max out over 1400fps. Let’s see if Underwood or Buffalo Bore can achieve a bonafide one-stop from a subcompact edc!

[@AzAirgunner.]

Thank you buddy, I appreciate u checkin it out!! I was pretty surprised on how well it did for what it was. I will do a retest soon in the sub compacts. I did one off cam with the 127gr out of the 3.1" and it was pretty impressive. Thanks again buddy!!

[@angrysheepdog9744]

@@AzAirgunner. Awesome. I'm excited to watch you investigate this narrow spectrum. Imho the sweet spot for under 3.5" barrels in +P+ is 90-115 grain; XD or bonded Jhp. Speer has a spicy 115gr bonded but I think they reserved it for LE. 68gr XD is too light in this caliber and should be reserved for cartridges capable of 2000fps+.

[@Followme556]

@@angrysheepdog9744 Speer's 115gr+P+ Gold dot is LE only.

[@angrysheepdog9744]

@@Followme556 Thanks for confirming that. Search this analysis: The Ballistic Pressure Wave Theory of Handgun Bullet Incapacitation

[@Followme556]

@@angrysheepdog9744 I can tell you from direct conversation that Doctor Roberts rejects that theory, but to me, it makes sense. (I'm not Roberts biggest fan) And I also don't think there is not really any way to measure the effect of high energy projectiles on nerve endings either. Someone else also mentioned it somewhere in here, but most handgun stops are 100% psychological. It's why so many DGU's involve no shots fired.

[@charlesphillips5906]

Would love to see this repeated with short barrel. I wonder if a short barrel would avoid the fragmentation?

[@Valorius]

There are a lot of tests of both from short barrels on youtube. And yes, you will get less fragmentation from a shorter barrel.

[@AzAirgunner.]

I can absolutely make that happen. I was already planning on it😁. I actually did a off cam shot/test with the 127gr. Was very impressed on how well it did out of a 3.1" barrel, should be a fun one. Thanks as always my friend!!

[@thepatriotsrage661]

Not in the 9BPLE, unless it's a sub-compact, but the 9BPLE is designed to fragment at that velocity envelope.

[@charlesphillips5906]

@@AzAirgunner. Looking forward to it. My carry load in G26 and G19.

[@richki.24]

nice rounds ..

[@AzAirgunner.]

Thanks buddy!! I appreciate ya checkin it out!!

[@-CHeWy-]

I would like to see the ranger against 4 layers of denim.....They usually fail.

[@CelticsCartel]

So it’s getting less than .357 sig

[@LRO1986]

Where can I find the rangers?!?!

[@AzAirgunner.]

Usually online. I actually found these at one of my local shops. Kinda rare to find out in the wild though.

[@al01100]

Be careful if you find the 127gr ranger t. I have a couple cases of the black box, lot #SK51L3 from 1 box I just picked up and the stuff doesn't expand, not even out of a 5" m&p 2.0 core. Apparently a bunch of it got out that was defective and I was unlucky enough to get some of it. Check out TNoutdoors9 test of the same ammo, he had the same results

[@timsmith5837]

Locating the Federal load is tough.

[@AzAirgunner.]

Yeah it really is, I was surprised when I found this one. Glad I was able to though, was a fun test.

[@timsmith5837]

Great test, thank you

[@Valorius]

It is all over on ammoseek.

[@AzAirgunner.]

@@timsmith5837 Thank you sir I appreciate ya!!

[@Followme556]

It's not hard to find at all. Do an internet search.

[@alfontana6242]

Thanks for your video. The Winchester P+P would be my carry load. With over 500 ft lbs thats entering 357 sig country.

[@AzAirgunner.]

Thank you!! It's a pretty nasty round for sure. As always I appreciate u checkin it out buddy!! Plenty comin😁.

[@kennethferguson4283]

I am not sure that either of these rounds are still available. Overall the trend is for 9mm ammo to get weaker.

[@AzAirgunner.]

Yeah these specific ones are pretty old. Was pretty excited when I came across them. The ranger are from 02 and the 9BPLE are from 89. They knew how to load em right back then lol.

[@kennethferguson4283]

@@AzAirgunner. Yes then the FBI taught them how to be politically correct!

[@thepatriotsrage661]

They both are, I bought some 127gr +P+ T Series not too long ago.

[@Followme556]

They are both still available. Dont you have the internet?

[@kennethferguson4283]

@@Followme556 Out of a 4 inch barrel the new Winchester 127 gr stuff does good to match the gold dot 124 +P. velocity and the light weight bple doesn't make it to 1300 fps. If you want a 124gr 9 round that get a real 1300 fps get something from Underwood, If you want a 124gr round that gets a real 1500+ fps velocity or a 115gr round that gets a real 1600 fps velocity go to their 357 Sig section.

[@randyduncan795]

I just hated ugly Glocks. Until I didn't. Yes, the 1911 is still my favorite auto although the P226 X5 SA is a close second. But I sure enjoy the light weight, great reliability, and availability of accessories such as the happy stick that Glock offers. I still think they're ugly but they're beautiful in other ways. Especially the 19/23/32.

[@ajm2872]

I like nipple-plated brass.

[@RicArmstrong]

I've got some Speer Gold Dot +P+ 115gr but I don't care for it. I prefer 124gr +P Gold Dot. Also, I don't think the Glock 19 is rated for +P+, but I'm not sure.

[@AzAirgunner.]

The 124gr +p is hard to beat, it's a great round. Thanks for checkin it out!!

[@thepatriotsrage661]

Glocks are strong AF. Remember that CIP European ammo loaded in 9x19 is often much hotter than SAAMI spec U.S loaded ammo e.g. Hirtenberger ammo, which is where 9x19 ammo should be loaded to. Glocks will eat 9x19 SMG ammo without an issue and will still be fine, so don't worry about +P+ in your Glock.

[@Followme556]

Why don't you "care for it"? The Glock is rated for +P.

[@RicArmstrong]

@@Followme556 The Glock is rated for +P, but it's NOT rated for +P+.

[@Followme556]

@@RicArmstrong Ammo Karen, I've been firing +P+ from Glocks for 20+ years, and so have multiple departments that are issued Glocks and +P+ ammo. Read that again: MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS.

[@alexskillz45]

Highly doubt a 1 shot stop at less than 40FPE per inch of penetration. Needs at least double that to be achieved without hitting the heart or CNS with a center mass shot.

[@Valorius]

Keep in mind the vast overwhelming majority of stops are psychological.

[@angrysheepdog9744]

Search the analysis on CNS incapacitation in my post on this thread

[@alexskillz45]

@@Valorius Higher FPE per inch of penetration will contribute to a higher possible psychological stop, if not with higher pain, the louder smack of the bullet, or the felt shock even if it fails to cause trauma can also lead to a psychological stop. I think the 2 factors that matter is more penetration and higher avg FPE delivery per inch of penetration. Both can only be measured in gel test and only be compared to other rounds in identical tests. Penetration depth in gel will not directly result in the same depth into living tissue. Ideally, an acceptable amount of penetration is desired with the highest possible FPE delivered per inch(on average). High penetration and very low FPE delivery results as a pass-thru with little feel. I'm sure we all have heard stories about people who have been shot and did not realize it due to the excitement from adrenaline or at least have experienced something alike, however, there is a limit to how much pain can be ignored. We don't become invincible, even though it can seem like it. Truth is most ammunition choices will lack enough FPE delivery to accomplish such a stop with handguns but be more typical with a shotgun or rifle, although, not certain. Even a .223 FMJ will lack it. When ideal penetration from a handgun is 18", even 1000FPE will result in less than 50FPE per inch. IMO, at least 75FPE per inch of penetration is required to even begin to have a chance at temporarily causing nerve disruption, paralysis or organ failure (like knocking the wind out, or a cardiac failure) or just causing a tremendous amount of pain. Punching someone in the gut can stop someone temporarily because there is 0 penetration and FPE delivery can be higher than 100FPE instantaneously, same reason a hit to the head can cause a knockout. Another thing I always have to remind is that desiring a 1 shot stop does not mean that we expect to instantly kill with one shot, we just need a stop which allows time to escape or evade, deescalate, subdue, gain a tactical advantage, or also finish off an attacker.

[@Valorius]

@@alexskillz45 I agree, that sounds entirely reasonable.

[@bobjones-bt9bh]

@@alexskillz45 incapacitation times are shaved in real world animal kills as measured in "A Method for Testing Handgun Bullets in Deer" additionally, anecdotes via Mayoob from VSP claim shots per engagement of large dogs dropping from 2-3 to 1 after switch from 9x19 to .357S these data are material because animals do not suffer from psychological stops

[@Texas2Step79]

Federal was border patrol round at one time ..

[@Valorius]

The Federal round got it's legendary status with the Illinois State Police. To the point it was known as "The ISP load"

[@thepatriotsrage661]

And Indiana State Police load as well.

[@Valorius]

@@thepatriotsrage661 👍

[@jpb1231000]

@@Valorius I shot an "ICP LOAD" on a Juggle-lette one time... It was Early June, 1998... I came upon a "Posse Wagon Camper" with a flat on the side of the road ....OOppss... Wrong subject!

[@mikepaniagua398]

The INS Special Agents used that too.

[@cousinvinnie2180]

Tremendous test! Giving the 357 Sig a run for the money!

[@markstephens5120]

That Federal round was impressive for a 9mm.

[@johnouellet4099]

357 Sig is still hotter. If you compare a Glock 17 to a Glock 33 you’re going to get closer results because the 17 has an inch longer barrel. But if you compared a Glock 31 to a 17, the 31 Would smoke the 17 all day long.

[@AzAirgunner.]

Yessir, I have actually done that a few times. Those tests are on the channel. Thanks for checkin this one out!!