What Happened to Cal Kestis After Star Wars Jedi Survivor?

[@MrHoll87]

Merrin will definitely play a BIG role in protecting Kata from the darkside as well. In fact, Merrin already has the jump on it before Cal even does at the end of the game, Cal is preparing the bodies while Merrin is telling Kata she has to confront it but not let it consume her. Merrin, like Cal has lost everything and she was in a very dark place mentally and emotionally until she met Cal (again, part of her talk with Kata), it's because of Merrin's own experience with hatred and a lust for revenge and overcoming that darkness that she can talk to Kata about it and help guide her in the right direction. Random side note, that "Ghost Star" song is hauntingly BEAUTIFUL. It's cute and innocent yet so sad and lonely. If Kata grows up to be a badass warrior for the light, maybe she'll get a nickname like Merrin's "Desert Ghost" and be called the "Ghost Star". Just a silly thing I thought of, I know it won't happen.

[@viddog6457]

Yeah i also thought that lullaby was good too

[@xErrorless]

Or if she doesn’t you know become a Jedi like bode she’d probably become one with the Rebellion against the empire cause ima assume here she’s around like 5-10? So around Luke’s age and it would actually make sense, if she isn’t going to grow to become a Jedi she’d probably help the rebellion against the empire. That’s what Cal would like and probably Bode too.

[@paytonrickle6785]

it be kinda cool to see a jedi in cannon that can sing using the force. Sorta like the visions episode Aau's song. It would be really cool to see a jedi use an ability like this.

[@NerdEmoji1067]

I just want a DLC that adds some exploration to tanalorr. I haven’t gone back there because there is literally nothing to do there.

[@unapologeticOne]

Yeah, it seems like I’m the only one that’s very disappointed with the planets in this game. I mean, Koboh and Jedha are amazing. They’re huge, beautiful planets with a lot of exploration, but the rest are so average. Coruscant is slightly above average, but there still isn’t much to see after the opening mission. I already explored 88% of it after the first mission lol. Shattered Moon is small. Nova Garon was amazing only because of the mission. Tanalorr was small as hell. Overall, outside of Jedha and Koboh, there isn’t much post-story exploration. I’m still like 30% away from 100% on Koboh and Jedha lol.

[@multoxgaming5756]

Perhaps Tanalorr will be an important location in the third game and is therefore not yet really explorable in Jedi Survivor. But if I‘m wrong, a DLC would be cool.

[@scoth2200]

@@unapologeticOne the game could have really used one more unique planet. Imo between killing Rayvis and fighting Dagan or after killing Dagan and Bode’s betrayal. The game races to end end and I think spending a few hours for whatever reason on one more linear planet roughly the size of Coruscant would slow the game down between the main bosses Rayvis, Dagan, Vader, and Bode. You basically fight all 4 of those main bosses in the last five hours of the story. Tanalor having nothing is fine because I think it may be the main hub in the next game.

[@unapologeticOne]

@@scoth2200 Tanalorr having nothing would be fine if it wasn’t so hyped up. I might be mistaken, but from about halfway through the game until the end Tanalorr was supposed to be this big thing, something we risked our life for, and then it was so underwhelming when we actually got there. I’m not even kidding like when I beat the game I was like, “Wait, that’s it?” lol. I was expecting a lot more from Tanalorr in this game. I spent half the game doing everything just to get there just for it to be smaller than Cere’s Base lmao. And yeah I agree another planet the size of Coruscant between Vader and Bode would’ve been great. Or they could’ve put more emphasis on side quests, like maybe make some of them mandatory to progress the main story around that point of the game.

[@iloveowls90]

maybe it will be the focus for the next game? cal's voice actor have confirmed they are indeed working on a third game

[@scottnelson9]

This is a solid theory. I just want to point out that Cal actually looked down on Cere’s lightsaber, not Bode’s.

[@ashtonlange4616]

Right. Bode stole Dagans lightsaber after we killed em. He likely didn’t have one by this point or he wouldn’t have taken another one to use.

[@THEUNOSLOTT]

Yeah this videos theory was probably decent, but I stopped watching it once I heard him say “I’m not huge into Star Wars lore, so maybe there is a way that can explain how he was able to head to Cere after she was dead”.. which if you’re an actual fan of SW then u know it’s all thru the force & she’s probably gonna be a force ghost in the next game if she’s in it. Probably along with Cordova too. I hope they do make another game tho & do a great job with it! Story wise & game play. But I also really want them to start using Cal in live action films too so I hope it doesn’t take them forever to drop the next game. I just feel like it will be a long time regardless bc they take their time with these games & I understand why & wouldn’t want the story half assed. Just sucks cause they definitely won’t use him in any live action shows or movies until the next game comes out.

[@aquapb893]

@@ashtonlange4616 I didn’t even realize that, felt weird for Bose to be tossing around a red lightsaber when I fought him

[@hunterdillman3678]

@@THEUNOSLOTTI agree it was possible to guess that the scene was a connection through the force and cal didn’t literally run into the room after Vader or it didn’t take cere hours to die so that cal could wake up and come back. Still the game was insanely unclear about this and not being sure doesn’t prove that the guy doesn’t have any other good ideas

[@markandmargie7331]

Cere being seen in the end was for the player’s benefit. It was to show us that she is with Cal in spirit, as it were. It was not a force ghost, just artful storytelling.

[@CobraDove1111]

No, it isn’t, it has a purpose, the Jedi share consciousness, and this is explained in the storyline how it happens

[@gamerfly3064]

What's Next for Cal Kestis? Answer- Cal's marriage and having kids with Merrin. And we play as theirs kid.

[@yingyang4583]

or Bode’s Daughter as a teen or preteen and the possibility of the Master’s Death (Cal’s)

[@NerdEmoji1067]

I think thatd be kinda basic tbh. I think it’s more likely kata turns out to be force sensitive and cal trains her

[@lakeflaccid8054]

Half witch, half force sensitive would be cool

[@rauchgranate5648]

@@lakeflaccid8054 you know that night sisters use the force for there magic.

[@_Wizzo]

And they live happily ever after

[@tj3603]

So the first game was all about growing up and facing your fears, while the second one was about becoming more mature and letting go of anger. I'm guessing the third one will be all about fatherhood and mentorship, and probably dealing with guilt. I can see a lot of drama and conflict around his task to "guide her through the darkness" and the fact that he killed her actual father in front of her eyes. Most likely Cal is going to sacrifice himself to protect Merrin and/or Kata, just like every single one of his parental figures did for him.

[@dennismollenhauer9890]

No the third game must be a happy ending.

[@tj3603]

@@dennismollenhauer9890 maybe both? It's a game, games can have multiple endings 😁

[@dennismollenhauer9890]

@@tj3603 the next game is after episode 6 and have a connection to the ahsoka Show like jedi survivor to kenobi.

[@tj3603]

@@dennismollenhauer9890 Why are you so sure about that? Devs said it somwhere?

[@lares9954]

To be honest sounds cool that idea but I don’t see Cal’s dying at the games. He’s going to make the jump to live action most probably

[@legendofsaig]

I think Cere was speaking through the force reason how Cal couldn’t see her and only heard her voice when he turned around. Not like a force ghost but still using it as a conduit for communication

[@viddog6457]

I was thinking some off shoot of cal's force echo ability, he is growing more powerful in the force and we dont know much about this ability

[@rylancook-munson2541]

He can hear the force he hears and sees force echoes

[@Jcup71]

Similar to when Luke saw the dead?

[@Thisguy2532]

Same thing happened to Luke when he took down the 1st Death Star(“use the force luke”) that was cals moment when he switched to hyperspace to get through the nebula when cir says (“now”) and they make it through the nebula

[@zeropyrex6260]

That scene was amazing in the game

[@randyjax09]

I’m praying that Kata doesn’t play a big role in the next game. The brooding protagonist with a child trope is getting REALLY old, especially in Star Wars.

[@Rox782-bt5mp]

This is what I've been saying. Couldn't agree more.

[@troydejong6206]

Kata being a main character in a 3rd game would allow a learning / progression path in game 3 that would be very difficult if the main was Cal.

[@123GOHANZ]

I’d love to see Cal take up the mentor role either for Kata as his apprentice or his potential children with Merrin

[@urteleszkop]

Things I wish to see in the next game: -reorganise how the push and pull ability works because it takes to much place, I believe it does not allow us to learn even more force skills -Cal learning force lightning not the sith version, but the one Plo koon used as well -Cal learning to see into the future just like Sifo-dyas / have visions about Vader and Luke like Starkiller had -Cal fighting with Vader minimum once but not like in the fallen order where you have to run for your dear life -Cal learning the fighting style Starkiller used (hold the lightsaber behind you) -I wish that Cal meets Obi-wan or Ahsoka or even Ahsoka somewhere along the way -I know the developers put zero interest about Cal's past before he became a padawan or the member of the order but I would love to see he finding the place where he was born or even his parents if they are still alive

[@TheAdventGamer]

curious if Cal will be struggling with the Dark Side and using more Dark Force abilities in the 3rd game.

[@kai9755]

I think that will definitely happen. Maybe we’ll see cal use force lightning or forced choke as an ability!

[@jamariojackson4289]

More than likely because in my opinion at least: for a third game what new abilities could Cal learn that aren’t dark side ? IMO they might as well double down on the fact of him losing himself to darkness at this point, they teased multiple times in Survivor, and it would be pretty weird if in the third game if he’s just purged of all his darkness completely.

[@Thedemonlord4642]

After the story he still uses the dark side, so he’s 100% going to keep using it

[@jamariojackson4289]

@@Thedemonlord4642 For sure and I’m hyped for that !

[@sentientmustache8360]

@@jamariojackson4289 he will most likely purge his darkness by the very end of the game, or learn how to fully control it without going berserk

[@Lancelot1995]

I think the next installment is going to start out one of 2 ways: 1. Cal & Merrin raising Kata, with their own flesh & blood baby otw, living peacefully(as Cal was before the incident on Bracca), then another tragedy or unexpected event occurs compelling Cal to take up his lightsaber once more to protect that which matters most to him and the ones he loves. 2. Cal & Merrin(pregnant also) raising Kata as a warrior, teaching her the ways of the Jedi AND the teachings of the Nightsisters, while already being thrown into some other conflict (as we were in Survivor).

[@Bobrob1597]

I can see Cere being part of the living force in the same way Kanan became a wolf when he died.

[@zakarymcleod1850]

That was Cere' saber, not Bode's

[@CobraDove1111]

It’s in the game and it’s explained how the Jedi shares consciousness, it happened when Cal was fighting Darth Vader and Cere appeared, and then you get to play as her, and it is explained, although I forget what it’s called

[@letstec]

I'd like to point out that Cal at the end did not look at Bodes lightsaber but Ceres. After the fight against Bode we can clearly see that he used Dagan Geras lightsaber, which is also shown through an echo in the observatory. As for the "Guide her through the darkness" we could also theorize that it is related to Trilla. We did not actually get a death confirmation, we just saw her getting her back slashed. We just assume that she is dead, but considering Ceres last words "Trilla" and Ceres interaction with Cal at the end she might be still alive. Just imprisoned, getting reprogrammed and will join the fight again in the third game and Cal has to guide her to the light side again. This would also fit the team as everyone is or was in contact with the darkside: Cere in the past used the darkside, Merrin is a nightsister which utilize the darkside in their magic, Kata is the daughter of Bode and for Cal his signature ability is considered to be on the darkside while he also now is able to embrace the darkside. But all of them are good people and fight for the lightside, so rescueing Trilla and making her join our fight would fit this new jedi order Cal is building. Jedis who are not afraid of the darkside and use it features to help others.

[@itsdioxide7190]

nah sorry but trilla is very much dewd

[@caleb_dume]

I think Cere saying Trilla as she died was a sort of “don’t forget her, don’t let the same happen to Kata” sort of thing. Maybe even Cere finally finding peace as she became one with the force, to be with her Padawan once again. It would definitely undermine Fallen Order’s ending to have had her survive I think. Edit- Cere wouldn’t have actually known about Kata as she died, but I still think the general message stays the same. “Don’t let someone close to you stray so far away that you lose them, like I did with Trilla”

[@LordPrutsikas]

I wont be so satisfied if in the next game they put immense emphasis on Kata because it is a new character...Most of us want to see the development of the old characters Cal, Merrin and Greez. What I would love to see is Cals struggle with the Dark Side and the option to fully embrace it. Multiple endings depending on your choices would be also an interesting idea...

[@Numberidge]

Cere is a force ghost.. it’s been done by Anakin, obi-wan, Jin, yoda, and Luke.. as well as many others!

[@nolanevans7603]

Yes but they all were trained by Qui Gon or the Force Whills, we don't know about her knowing either

[@CAPEDCRUSADER3900]

@@nolanevans7603 During Anakin's Final moments on the Ramp of the Lambda Class Shuttle when he closed his Eyes after talking to Luke for the last time and was transitioning into death Obi-Wan taught Anakin how to become a Force Ghost in mere Seconds. In Star Wars Rebels we see Yoda able to communicate with Ezra & Kanan in the Jedi Temple on Lothal even though he's not actually there, & Yoda like Luke in The Last Jedi is also Able to Force Project himself without Dying to Ezra and Ahsoka. So it's possible during Cere's Final moments Yoda or Qui-Gon taught her How to become a Force Ghost before she died, maybe even before the Events of the game as Cere was seeking out Jedi Knowledge to add to her archive, and the lost knowledge on how to become a Force Ghost may have even been in one of the Ancient Jedi texts Cere had on Jehda and she learned about it from there as people in the Old Republic knew how to become Force Ghosts but that knowledge was lost somewhere in-between the high Republic and the Fall of the Republic into the Empire.

[@jamariojackson4289]

@@CAPEDCRUSADER3900 Exactly it’s not far fetched, good on you for sticking to your answer ! I agree with you as well that Cere will learn force ghost capabilities it’s not impossible just because we’ve only seen select Jedi do it, the simple answer is at that time that’s the only Jedi they showed being able to manifest.

[@sentientmustache8360]

I think she’s just a voice in his head but the force ghost thing isn’t far fetched

[@onlyacomentarynothingspeci2419]

I still hope Cal will be the main Character Camerons character deserves a trilogie

[@Thunderstrike10]

appreciate the jedi survivor content and theories for the next game. thanks!

[@gerardocovarrubias3058]

also he is the only jedi whose lightsaber can change from crossguard,dual bladed,double bladed and he can use a blaster now that he is a jedi knight im sure he will be a jedi master

[@jamariojackson4289]

Yeah I think in another novel and another game’s time we will see Cal transition into the rank of master.

[@gerardocovarrubias3058]

@@jamariojackson4289 yeah, I hope so as well

[@jamariojackson4289]

@@gerardocovarrubias3058 Would be so cool !

[@gerardocovarrubias3058]

@@jamariojackson4289 I hope he meets other Jedi we’ve seen Ahsoka Tano, I Ezra, Bridger, Quinlan V and even Luke skywalker

[@jamariojackson4289]

@@gerardocovarrubias3058 Same I love Cal’s character.

[@sithazzazzin7329]

Cere became one with the cosmic force. Cal's unique connection to the force allows him to hear her advise like with the jump to hyperspace. In a place as strong with the force as Tanalorr, her spirit could manifest and speak to Cal.

[@rodneylane952]

Cere is a force presumably a force ghost. Some Force users have the ability to come back as ghosts after death

[@cacuevas]

She cannot be a force ghost, only Yoda, Obi Wan and Anakin can

[@guisilva7810]

@@cacuevas wym why not

[@magus13131]

@@cacuevas you forgot Qui Gon Jinn

[@magus13131]

@@guisilva7810 it requires specific training, but that doesn't mean Cere never received that training (just unlikely)

[@brentshowers741]

@@cacuevas it’s still possible to come back as a force ghost it’s just not possible to physically show your presence to a person unless you prepared yourself entirely for the transformation. Hence why it was canon for so long and still is that some you can only hear their voice not physical manifestation

[@T1Top]

Cal would probably die by Vader in the end, its a stretch but I think he will in the final battle, he'd put up a fight he would die heroically to save Merrin and the child with a great fight

[@offgridgreenie9668]

From a storyline point of view. This is another Starwars universe free of the current time line. They could tell any story they wanted now.

[@noahp67890]

I have a feeling the third game will feature an older Kata getting trained by Cal. I am envisioning gameplay similar to GOW:R with Kratos and Atreus, each with their own sections and different gameplay styles. I think this because of that section *Spoiler** when you play as Cere and the moveset is different. I think that would work well and keep things interesting, as well as capitalize on the companion mechanics they had in Survivor.

[@ColossalSwordFormAndTechnique]

I like how no one is talking about Cal’s footwork during combat. Especially in Fallen Order. Side Step Dodge, Teep Kick Counter Punisher.

[@mattc6462]

There is a character that knows exactly what cal is going through, cal fears about losing his way but he's also afraid of losing the ones he cares about, there is a character with the same abilities that lost his way, lost the one he loved and is also helping the hidden path as of this timeline, I believe cal should meet up with Quinlan Vos in the next game

[@videogamehero950]

Cere is now what is known in SW lore a force ghost. She is more in tune with the force. So to see that at the end brought a tear to my eye. Cal may have pick up on it a bit. Can’t wait to see what comes next.

[@viddog6457]

Here is the problem, as seen in Clone Wars the Wills teach Qui Gon Jin how to become a force ghost. He didn't finish the process so he remained as only a voice. He taught Yoda the process though and Yoda taught Obi Wan. But this is where everything is well, fucked. It isn't clear how Anakin learned the ability and stuff. So the cannon isn't quite clear if this is being retconned because it was before disney took over. Also Force ghosts are always seen as blue. However Cere has black wisps and is fully colored so I don't think it is a force ghost.

[@TheSabrel2]

@@viddog6457 I think of the force ghosts as the jedi collective unconscious and that once quigon figured it out all lightside force users able to tap into it in someway

[@viddog6457]

@@TheSabrel2 but in Clone Wars Qui Gon specifically needs to teach Yoda how to do it, ill re watch the clip to see if i am wrong

[@viddog6457]

@@TheSabrel2 nah if you go to the first video Qui Gon specifically says "This is the path few Jedi take."

[@guankzmm4176]

@@viddog6457 nah he’s right actually, they have to train to do it, just like obi wan did at the end of kenobi, I think he’s just more feeling her through the force, as a comfort and a conscience guide in a way

[@jager-hill]

i wanna see cal go starkiller mode in the next game with some dark side abilities

[@colinpernett1548]

Dark siders can’t communicate after death. Bode is gone. Only those most enlightened can speak from beyond the grave

[@matheuswesley7138]

Well you can communicate as an undead.

[@TheBullOfBallStreet]

Dude it's called a force ghost

[@cornishpasty7853]

just because the game ended on a cliff hanger, doesn't necessarily mean your going to get a follow up anytime soon, take it from a valve fan.

[@wesleycolvin7158]

Cere could easily come up as a 'force ghost' in the next installment.

[@viddog6457]

Here is the problem, as seen in Clone Wars the Wills teach Qui Gon Jin how to become a force ghost. He didn't finish the process so he remained as only a voice. He taught Yoda the process though and Yoda taught Obi Wan. But this is where everything is well, fucked. It isn't clear how Anakin learned the ability and stuff. So the cannon isn't quite clear if this is being retconned because it was before disney took over. Also Force ghosts are always seen as blue. However Cere has black wisps and is fully colored so I don't think it is a force ghost.

[@jonathanking9954]

@@viddog6457 anakin was literally born of the force. So the same rules probably don’t apply to him

[@viddog6457]

@@jonathanking9954 you still have to learn to do it so that out rules cere being one

[@jjbogey1075]

I think there will probably be a dlc involving the star destroyer based on the dialogue after the story ended around the bar. Also Cal talked to Marren about taking the destroyer down.

[@amaterasu1941]

I’d say I know that force ghost was a thing that happened but I think it makes more sense to be a visualization of cal thinking “what would cere do” kind of thing

[@Iamnels]

This is kinda a stretch but I think the next game will likely develop cal into becoming a grey Jedi. I say this because obviously towards the end of the game cal embraces and relies on the dark side quite frequently. The fact that even after you beat the game you can still embrace the dark side per your slow ability this is something that I think gonna be part of the theme of the next game. This will also bring the first canon grey Jedi to live action as I think they want to bring cal for the next Star Wars movies or shows. I just find it odd that even though it seemed cal was brought back to the path of a Jedi especially when merrin sways him from the dark side, he still taps into it at crucial points of the game and he still uses it post story. Other than that I’m hoping for him and merrin to settle down and have little witch babies lol

[@Jewce24]

not a stretch because i was having a convo similar to this with one of my friends. cal as a grey jedi would be so sick

[@hacksaw1019]

Right, which Is why I think they won't kill off cal or merrin because I feel like they will have more importance later on it to be too basic to kill off cal or merrin.

[@grimlord3181]

I hope not.

[@IsmPatriot]

I would honestly like to see Cal growing ever stronger and at the end of the 3rd game sacrificing himself more like Arthur from rdr2

[@jimthar17]

Didn't he die from tuberculosis?

[@jesulobajohn8468]

Honestly, I just want to see OP Cal

[@jisageek]

My theory: I think the game will start with a significant time jump (much closer to ANH) with Kata officially being Cal's padawan and essentially his and Merrin's child. Then something happens (Empire attacks, possibly Merrin/Greez's death or something of the sort) that causes Cal to "embrace the darkness" once again. Kata will become a main player to saving Cal and convincing him to not turn out like Bode. Considering the game devs messing with the idea of playing two characters during the story of Jedi Survivor (Cere and Cal) then we could potentially get a story based co-op system with you either playing Cal or Kata depending on whats happening (sorta like Peter and Miles in Insomniac's Spider-Man 2)

[@simletsplays777]

The whole 2 player co-op system probably won't happen. It's a mix of 2 things. Story and development time. When it comes to the story area, they won't do a large time jump. They already did that with Survivor, I doubt they'll do it again. Fallen Order was kinda an open-ended ending where if the game sold poorly they wouldn't have given the players a huge cliffhanger and it gave them the opportunity to do a large jump. Survivor ended with a cliffhanger. The time jump won't be any more than 3 years. Kata will be at most 12 (More realistically 11). With Cal and Merrin busy with the hidden path and Tanalorr, they won't have time to get Kata full-blown training. So she'll be 11 years old, with part-time training. She definitely wouldn't be going on the battlefield with Cal and Merrin. Now when it comes to the production side of things. You have to realize this is EA publishing the game. Seeing as Survivor was released in 3.5 years whilst the pandemic was going on, EA will probably use that as the maximum amount of time they have to develop it. Respawn should spend those precious years developing more in-depth planets, smoothing the animations out even further, and creating even more story-oriented side missions. They'd be wasting time if they decided to restructure the entire combat system to make it a GOW rip-off. And another thing to add is that the entire trilogy has revolved around Cal. It's been his journey, not Katas. That would be like making 4, 5, and 6 revolve around Ashoka instead of Luke and Leia.

[@yb554]

Cere's last word was Trilla, which makes me think that she's still alive, with her being guided from the darkness. Kata, is still too light and pure to be in the darkness. Also, Kata was not really discussed around her, so in many ways she's a nonentity to her. Secondly, I think like this game, they'll start against the Empire, but find the same enemies that Dagan fought in Tanalor. They never gave the name of whatever they're fighting other than saying that the Jedi gave up on it. I'm hoping, that this leads the way to a third way, not light or dark but something that uses both, while being isolated from the main continuity. Otherwise, all these characters are just dead and their hidden location overrun by the Empire prior to the original trilogy.

[@sumoathelstan]

Trilla is super duper dead unfortunately

[@yb554]

@@sumoathelstan You are most likely right, but with Darth Maul being split and two and surviving... Many bets are off. Call it wishful thinking in my part. Besides, with Fennec Shand surviving her wounds, Trilla can probably survive a stab in the back.

[@ThetaSigma-vu1sk]

@@yb554 Even if she did survive, she was in the Inquisitor Base with no escape. She would've been killed regardless by Vader or other Inquisitors

[@Nothing25568]

In Star Wars there is the living force and the cosmic force. When a being dies, it’s living force passes into the cosmic force. This was probably the last of her living force giving him a final message before merging with the cosmic force.

[@viddog6457]

Yeah this is the best explanation, way better than my force echo theory or other people's force ghost theory which cannot be true .

[@Nothing25568]

@@viddog6457 it would be much like a force ghost in a sense. Force ghosts don’t merge with the cosmic force, instead it’s almost like they keep their living force intact within the cosmic force. So while she won’t be a force ghost, it was like her force ghost giving him a last message before joining with the force.

[@viddog6457]

Here is the problem, as seen in Clone Wars the Wills teach Qui Gon Jin how to become a force ghost. He didn't finish the process so he remained as only a voice. He taught Yoda the process though and Yoda taught Obi Wan. But this is where everything is well, fucked. It isn't clear how Anakin learned the ability and stuff. So the cannon isn't quite clear if this is being retconned because it was before disney took over. Also Force ghosts are always seen as blue. However Cere has black wisps and is fully colored so I don't think it is a force ghost.

[@Nothing25568]

@@viddog6457 yeah, I’m not saying she attained that status, just that she was in a similar state to the force ghosts before fully merging with the force. My theory is her body was burned, the living force that was still in her body was released, that last bit of her identity gave cal the final message before merging with the greater force. Also I believe the in universe explanation for Anakin was that Obi Wan’s ghost taught him how as he was passing.

[@ichiban2911]

I hope in the next game they’ll make the story where you choose your own path either Jedi or dark side and when you choose dark side your attitude changes, skin becomes pale, eyes change color kinda like the infamous games I think it’ll be dope seeing Darkside Cal especially after playing Jedi Survivor I wanna more of his darkside

[@federicoxcc4966]

Maybe Cere pulled of a trick likes Qui Gon Jin

[@h1ob355]

He will join Lukes Jedi Order in the distant future, when he is quite an old man. In the canon from ep. VI to IX we never knew who exactly were the members, except Kylo Ren. So it might be that Cal was among those who were finally slaughtered by the order of Ren.

[@ThetaSigma-vu1sk]

He wouldn't agree with how Luke runs the Order

[@sarahallred]

Cal Kestis has the innate ability of Force Psychometry. It wouldn't surprise me if, as Cal got stronger, instead of only feeling Force echoes from the past, he could start to feel Force echoes from across the veil. I think this is why Cal can see Cere after death - it's not something any Jedi can do (aka: it's not something Kata can do). If you watch carefully, Cal never directly talks back to "Cere" when she communicates with him after her death. I feel like Respawn was using Cere as a stand-in for a general manifestation of the Force that Cal can potently feel. It was the Force (not necessarily Cere) telling Cal when to jump to hyperspace. It was the Force telling Cal to to "Guide her through the Darkness." But how can a game "show" their players a feeling, and ensure their players immediately trust it? Well, just make an incredibly important character say it! I don't think Kata will see visions of her father. In fact, I don't even know if they will make her a Jedi. Bode was a Jedi, so we're *assuming* that Kata is Force-sensitive, too. However, not once in the game are we told that Kata actually has any Force powers. It's possible Bode was suppressing them so Kata wouldn't be taken by the Empire, but if Cal trains her to be a Jedi, then we would have two Jedis running around in the next game. We are very rapidly approaching Episode 4 in the Fallen Order/Survivor timeline. Survivor takes place in the same year as the Obi Wan TV show, which means Luke and Leia are 10 years old (they were 19 during the events of A New Hope). The games have so far only jumped ahead every 5 years (Cal was 13 when Order 66 happened, 5 years later at the start of Fallen Order he was 18, and then 5 years later at the start of Survivor he was 23). If we continue the 5-year trend, then the next game will take place 4 years before the events of the first Star Wars movie, and Kata would only be about 12 or 13 years old. How much "Darkness" can you realistically make a 12 year old do before it starts to feel like a bad horror movie? How much combat can you let a 12 year old participate in before Cal and Merrin look like terrible parents? Telling new stories in this time period is tricky, because the major events in the canon have already happened, and these new characters *weren't* there. What were they doing, if not helping to bring down the Empire? How can the studio make a gripping story where the characters ultimately don't participate in any of the major battles or events? Maybe Cal and crew do "side missions," like how Rogue One made a huge story out of one line in a New Hope? Or, they could make the drama "smaller" by only focusing on events that directly affect Cal, Merrin, and Kata, instead of trying to force them into already established canon events. Maybe the Empire kidnaps Kata, so instead of Cal participating in some big, canonical battle, he instead fights through an original stormtrooper unit that took his little girl or something? Basically, we're down to this narrative choice: will Respawn only write Cal into original stories, or will they attempt to tie him into the stories we saw in the movies? You also have to think about it from a gameplay point of view: Respawn is constantly expanding the Jedi series. You only played as Cal in Fallen Order, but in Survivor you can now get your companions to help you, and you even played as Cere. How would Kata elevate the gameplay in the next game? Would you play as Kata? Would it be like "The Last of Us" and Cal and Kata are played like Joel and Ellie? Would having a little companion make puzzle-solving and platforming feel renewed, or would watching over an NPC while you're trying to execute complex moves become a burden? Regardless, this is one of my favorite video game series. I hope to God they don't do a Mass Effect 3 and spoil an amazing series with a terrible ending!!

[@yoavmor9002]

In Star Wars when people die their energy transfers from the living force into the cosmic force, and in the process they lose their identity and consciousness. But their knowledge and faith probably lives on in the Cosmic force What we're seeing of Cere might possibly be a result of her energy in the middle of the transfer between the living force and the cosmic force. EDIT: SOURCE: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mHXbZKp4malrqMUsi=U3vGTuFPRMFRhx3i

[@cacuevas]

This comment section 💀💀 people have the worst theories

[@firefistgaming117]

My bet is kata will be trained, and 3rd game we either play as her at start or jedi master cal till a certain arc then switch to kata. As for time period if kata is an adult in 3rd game it'll likely be after ep 6. Would be dealing with Empire remnants like in mandalorian or First Order, would be awesome to see cal come back and see the empire lost and meet Ashoka and Luke

[@norbertrodriguez3383]

with Bode's intentions, I don't think he would truly want Kata to follow in his footsteps to the dark side--he just wanted her to be safe and he went down because he wanted it to be on his terms, probably the dark side influence, but Cal and the crew are the safest people for her to grow with. not denying that he will communicate with her in some way, at most to seek vengeance? but again, I think he'd just be a watchful eye over her through the Force

[@Adihaagadi_magic]

It’s called a force ghost. After dying, a light side force user can learn how to return as a force ghost and communicate with people

[@JamieW907]

Third game you play as Kata who's been taught the force by Cal, Night Sister Magik from Marrin and how to fly a ship from Greeze.

[@gudgel5307]

Seems unlikely considering the trilogy is Cals story not Katas.

[@blazesapphire58]

@@gudgel5307 Yes this Trilogy is Cal's story but there's nothing stopping them from doing another three games after that follows Kata if they do train her

[@gudgel5307]

@@blazesapphire58 Yes, they might do that but that's not what he was talking about though. He was saying that in the third game, Kata will replace Cal as the protagonist of the trilogy. This is not a good idea considering we've been playing as Cal in 2 games. It would be much more satisfying to give Cal a proper ending where he ends up surviving and where able to free-roam the galaxy as a full-fletched Gray Jedi.

[@Saladman45]

I think that the trilogy finale would end with cal facing off Darth vader and either dying or injuring vader so he can escape story wise I’m unsure but something to do with his dark side experiences. the next game should have starfighter combat in some missions weekly bounties from boba fett with death troopers making an appearance kind of fading away from the purge trooper phase and into the more modern empire we see in andor or the original trilogy in the next game and more appearances would always be cool to see. Just my thoughts

[@fftydgh7769]

They def need to make dlc for this game. Hoping for a Witcher 3 type expansion where it really fleshes things out and adds more stuff. Also they are missing out on us isn’t the actual Jedi blade stance. And a lot of cool outfits and abilities from the lore

[@thespade3577]

The path of going from knight to master And that personal battle with the dark side.

[@wolfesbane4263]

4:38 the ability is called "Force Ghost". Very few Jedi are able to manifest their consciousness through the force after death and becoming one with it. like some examples(including the EU and Legends cause sequels do not exist in my mind) would be Qui Gon Jinn, Anakin(after ep 6), Yoda, Obi Wan, both Legends and Canon Luke. Given how cere is now choosing to be closer to the force after Fallen Order(presumably), she might become a Force Ghost in the sequel to Survivor, and her and Merrin together can teach Cal how to use the Dark side without losing himself. Now seeing Survivor, i personally think that Cal was made to be the next Starkiller in canon, like someone who would be able to use Sith and Jedi techniques both. And there might be a Dark Side and a Lightside ending, although a third "Grey" ending would be cool as well. but nonetheless, Cal has so much potential as a character, i hope they do his character justice. and if what im thinking is right, Cal being able to use both Sith(Darkside) abilities and Lightside abilities, he might be as powerful as Mace Windu, would be one of the, if not the most, versatile duelists if he can switch between all his Lightsaber stances in Canon given they are all mastered. Pretty powerful imo

[@gvue4396]

Part 3, Cal is gonna teach Bodes kid to become a Jedi. And he's prob gonna reach out to Obi Wan

[@ricorommeldumaplin4822]

A DLC would be awesome cause theres still some questions, what actually happened during the 5 years between fallen order and survivor, how did greeze lose one of his arms, how did cal met his team and when did he start working for saw guererra

[@ParisPK]

There was a book for it called “Star Wars Jedi: Battle Scars”. It explains how Greeze lost his arm, Cal making the team and working with Saw Guerrera

[@jimthar17]

@@ParisPK Thanks for the tip. I just added it to my Amazon list.

[@StephDLegend]

The reason that Cere could appear is more to do with the force being alive. We see something similar in Star Wars rebels albeit in a different form. Additionally, the force can reward light side users (haven’t seen any darksiders be rewarded yet) when it believes you deserve it. Also from Rebels, it restored Kanan’s sight one last time before he died due to his sacrifice. So, I believe it is more that the force is rewarding Cere here for what she was trying to do

[@Aewon84]

The only way in Star Wars lore that Cere's consciousness can still exist is if she's a Force ghost. It's possible that Qui-Gon Jinn has been helping other dead Jedi return from the netherworld of the Force. Bode is gone forever. Dark-siders can't become Force ghosts. Anakin only became a Force ghost because in the end he let go of his hatred. It's the irony of Force ghosts. It's the only true way to become immortal in Star Wars lore and the Sith, who are obsessed with immortality, can't achieve it because they would have to let go of the things that make them Sith. Bode isn't a Sith, but the same rules apply to him. I think that in the third game we're going to play as Kata around the time of the original trilogy. I don't think we're getting another game with Cal as the protagonist. Instead he'll be the Master. My idea for the game is that Kata has a big argument with Cal Kestis and end up leaving Cal's secret Jedi Order and Tanalorr to join the Rebel Alliance. The game begins with her disguised as an Imperial officer on a shuttle headed for a Star Destroyer. As it approaches we see the second Death Star in the background. When you can finally move it's sort of like the first Half-Life game. You walk through the interior of the Star Destroyer until you get to your objective. There all hell breaks loose and you have to fight your way back to your shuttle through a warzone. This would be at the same time that the Battle of Endor takes place. As you leave you see the Death Star explode. Alternatively the tutorial level could take place on the second Death Star, and as you reach the shuttle you run into Luke Skywalker dragging a dead Vader. This actually wouldn't contradict the movie. Because we only see Vader's death scene, and Luke piloting the shuttle. Considering that they both have fathers who turned to the dark side it would be an opportunity for them to bond.

[@craigharris41]

Cere is a Force Ghost. Her connection to Kyle is strong so she can communicate with him. Obi-Wan had the same connection with Luke, but once Luke trained his mind...he could actually see him. Kyle can't see Cere yet but the game devs showed her to us (The Players).

[@gamerrowedy6614]

His name is cal not kyle

[@Kaiohyeah]

Chances are if Kal embracing the dark side is cannon we should play as Kata, trained by Kal, searching for other force users. How deep would a open world Jedi recruiter game be, if you don't find the force users before the inquisitors than they join the dark side for the end fight or straight up die, using Kal to train them correctly and keep the team on the right track.

[@jimthar17]

I don't wanna play as a12 year old learning the force. Already basically did that in the first game.

[@mgreenester]

Jedi can become force ghosts when they die. You see Obi-Wan Kenobi, Yoda, Qui-Gon jinn, Anakin Skywalker, and now Cere all able to speak to their allies after their deaths. Which always made me wonder why anyone would fall to the dark side of the force. The light side gives you a type of immortality that no Sith had ever possessed. It also makes it nearly impossible to totally wipeout the Jedi because a force ghosts can share their knowledge with other force sensitives.

[@tekkenbd30fan70]

Dlc what makes the most sense a Merrin Dlc that sets up a game led by Merrin ... or the 3rd game is a Darker tone set game focused on Merrin

[@brandonwillis1262]

I agree ☝️

[@jagdeishwarmagendran3395]

I would like to see Cal as a father in the third installment of the Jedi series. Him starting a family with Nightsister Merrin. This journey will take place 5 years after the events of the second game. He would be living in the outskirts of the Galaxy with his wife and daughter with both her parent's abilities. She will inherit both Jedi and Nightsister abilities during her growth which would draw attention to her from an unwanted audience. He will be drawn back into battle to protect his daughter from the Empire who is trying to capture her under the orders of the Darth Sidious due to her strong connection to the force. We will also find out that Cal is not the only Jedi who escaped Order 66, and these Jedi are being hunted by the Empire. We can also play as vader in the begining, having a boss fight with a surviving Jedi before transitioning to Cal to make it more interesting. I think based on this story, the title can be STAR WARS JEDI: HUNTED

[@markr418]

I think there will be plenty of DLC, I thought that immediately after completing the game. When you go in to the holotable, the map looks very incomplete as if there were more worlds to be unlocked.

[@InvaderZae.]

I think the third game is going to bring something to the force that we haven't seen before. Cal is definitely a grey jedi, and perhaps that will lead to him utilizing the darkside and discovering things about the force that have been lost to time or strictly forbidden.

[@remnantofGod2]

Cal is not a grey Jedi since the first game he has giving all of his foes knowing all the people they’ve killed a chance to change their ways or to surrender he literally only kills when it is necessary like a normal Jedi, Jedi are defenders/protecters of the innocent they kill foes who threaten that.

[@remnantofGod2]

Mace Windu is a better candidate for a grey Jedi think if Mace Windu was any of Cals situations in both games he would kill his enemies with no hesitation, & not try to get them to change or surrender like Cal would

[@grimlord3181]

Using the Dark Side doesn't make him a Gray Jedi.

[@rinokumera5907]

Hope Merin teach Kata nightsister magic. Imagine Kata using nightsister magic and the force

[@adamrawson7695]

im thinking cere being there at the end was a force echo, like we've been sensing through both games. i dont think kata will be able to since it was said by cere in the first that its a rare ability. but who knows

[@CloudyyvilleThoughts]

Kata might be the next Jedi we play as…she might be force sensitive n Merin n cal might teach her, then we might play as her while she a padawan fighting the empire like cal

[@Jedi_Spartan]

He'll go back through the galaxy to complete all the side missions and find all the crates he missed...

[@robertsoto5713]

So glad I tried this game. I love the fact u can slice everything up into pieces. I love Sekiro so this was perfect . Had only one crash during my time with it on ps5. Guess it’s the Pc version that has more issues.

[@carlousmagus5387]

He trains her as a Jedi, but she falls to the darkness, but Cal brings her back and they go on to aid the rebellion and the New Republic/New Jedi Order. Cal will be a Jedi Master and on the Council.

[@kristiqnvladimirov6216]

I think that the third game will be focused on Kata and we’ll play as her.Cal will retire from his Jedi duties and make family with Merrin as in the same time will guide Kata during her trainings and adventures.🤷‍♂️

[@brentshowers741]

So friend it’s not possible for bode to speak to kata because only force ghosts can come back and speak to people like this. One can’t become a force ghost with inner turmoil. Hence why siths can never become force ghosts and why bode can never actually come back and speak to her. This reason is why only Jedi can become force ghosts inner peace and acceptance to be one with the cosmic force.

[@OnesmolToe]

I’m also not a Star Wars fanatic. But there is a chance that Cal is instead getting a signal from the force but he hears Cere because of how she became such an important part of Cal’s life. (Please do correct me if I’m wrong about this)

[@KingLouie-be9bu]

Yo do we all pick the jacket with the cape 😂😂❤

[@shova213]

I hope that one day, they provide players the change to duel against themselves online. Like Soul Calibur but Star Wars style. It would be extremely heartbraking if Merrin also dies in the next game, and she is killed by Kata.

[@MAJIMAXKIRYU69]

Every comments theory seems to miss one google answer that cal meets Luke and starts the new order

[@graves8926]

its called a "force ghost or becoming one with the force" its what obi one did in the revenge of the emps and how he told luke to go see yoda

[@GreenBro11]

I think the next game will take place at least 10 years from Jedi: Survivor. Kata is near the same age as Luke Skywalker and a force user. It would complete Carl’s character arc for him to become a master much like the two masters he lost. Kata’s story could be her struggling with the light and dark much like her father did right in front of her. She would be the playable character or at least switching between her and Cal. That’s what I’d do and I think it’s what Respawn wants because they’ve admitted that the original protagonist of the Jedi games was gonna be a woman.

[@jingleballs9935]

They are definitely doing that. The women always has to overshadow and take over the male ones nowadays

[@supervastgut1568]

lmfao, multiple articles have stated that certain people within lucasarts tried to demand it be a woman or minority, and were denied. Fuck outta here

[@gabrielmartins2959]

Nah, Respawn already made it clear that Star wars Jedi is Cal's story i doubt they would make kata or someone the MAIN protagonist instead of Cal, especially on the last game. I'm not saying that we won't be able to play as kata or anything, but the "struggling with the light and dark" is gonna be 100% a Cal thing on the last game.

[@sentientmustache8360]

Nah, i think Kata will get a game, but the third game in the trilogy will be about Cal, 100%

[@inickedurnan941]

@@gabrielmartins2959 Maybe a god of war ragnarok style where you’re mainly Kratos, but you play as Loki/Atreus in certain sections of the story. Problem is, will we care enough about Kata to want to play as her for those sections? We had a full game to get used to Atreus, but Kata really didn’t do much except be kinda adorable for 5 minutes on screen.

[@ninasong774]

It wasn't Bode's lightsaber it showed in the ashes. It was Cere's lightsaber. Bode's looks different.

[@jimthar17]

Plus Bode was on the left. The scene took place on the right side.

[@CraftMotion]

9:25 Why should Kata use Cere's lightsaber if falling to the dark side? Because that's the one shown at the end. We don't know what Cal did to Dagan's lightsaber, wich Bode used.

[@Mr.Bishop2808]

I feel like with the introduction of Kata, we're going to get a complete flip in the story as we switch between Cal and Kata, viewing the story's climax from the perspective of master and apprentice. (whom probably won't see eye to eye) We'll probably get a time jump of about 7 years where Kata is starting to become a young woman and has been training under Cal for this time. I feel like its gonna give us divisive character interactions between Cal and his new apprentice. Due to Cals subsequent brush with the dark side, I think he's gonna turn fully in the next game (Maybe Merrin gets killed or something, and its gonna be up to Kata to save him (which is probably gonna be the apex of the 3rd games story) ending in tragedy for either Cal or Kata, depending on players choices through the game, Kinda like a God of War meets Mass Effect kinda deal. I'd like that alot. Also I'm confused as to why The Last Spartan by Martin O'donnel is playing in the background xD thats a Halo track bro

[@brawnswolo4057]

They totally have other enemies way more terrifying than the empire that they can use the true sith, droid factions and the Yuuzhan Vong to name a few

[@ninepuchar1]

Please I need another game after survivor❤. Please dont stop. I just keep wanting to know what is the next step. The story is engaging and just want to keep going....

[@Adog00]

I think the third game can be called Jedi: Padawan, lol

[@abesoto84]

Disappointed that we couldn't fully explore Tanalorr! Hopefully it's the first planet we get to do so in Jedi 3.

[@overdrive112]

i can imagine that cal will turn to the dark side and you play as kata to get him back, at least for a short period of time. after cal found bode on nova garon he tempts to always use dark side rampage mode when pressing l3 and r 3 lol

[@presuming_ed]

im hoping there is a dark side force on Tanalor which is why the Jedi abandoned it. It had already taken hold of Dagan, and maybe its doing the same to Cal now, speaking to him using Cere's likeness would be dope . Kata vs Cal incoming? 🙏 - Bring back an Ancient Zeffo Dark Side sorceror pulling the strings on Tanalor

[@COUCHPOTATO_94]

I think we are going in the “star wars academy world “ type of game . Cause i get the fact that the bow daughter could possibly play a big role the next game, but remember he’s starting a jedi “temple” on a planet outside the empire rule that out side the data base , soo i think he’ll have more then one student next game .i think you’ll be able Make your own “jedi”. “Hints” co-op and doing jedi missions with your friends cause the temple is gonna be the main hud so , attending a jedi temple “playing as a student “

[@xErrorless]

A third game about Kata or Cals kid joining the rebellion as a soldier or a force sensitive and helping the rebels fight. Like how cool would it be seeing you know Luke in action while fighting aside him or something. Probably isn’t gonna happen but it’s a cool thought

[@njsrkhjhj1903]

If they were to do that it should be after the third game. Like a second trilogy revolving around Cal's offspring with Kata as a side companion kinda like Bode was in Jedi Survivor. (Although she wouldn't be a traitor)

[@xErrorless]

@@njsrkhjhj1903 that’s good too. Like if third game Cal was to die, another game surrounding his offspring after his death and their time during the rebellion helping Luke and the squad would be fire as well.

[@jsmxke7058]

I honestly hope Cal does not die for anyone. I hope we watch him build the order back up, and mentor Kata as well as any other younglings he could come across.

[@finnH_nf]

It would be cool to explore a sith tomb and learn about dark force abilities as a grey jedi.

[@mikeb53]

3rd game... Cal takes down the Inquisitorious. And Vader tries to turn Cal to the Dark Side?

[@baki484]

7th sister beheaded by maul 5th brother gutted by maul Grand inquisitor committed suicide after losing to Kanan 8th brother died trying to flee from Ahsoka, maul and Kanan.

[@andrewcabral963]

I hope that Cal gets to live past the Original Trilogy and him and Merrin start a family on Tanalorr.

[@acergamers5943]

My theory is that kata will fall to the dark side and will kill cal in the end of the next game but kata will come to light and will continue the path of a jedi. So basically developpers will have like a 2 story set for the games in the future beacause if kata kills cal in the next upcoming game then then game coming later, kata will become the playable character (main character). Other way round, the next story could also be set like a father and family importance in cal's life, like protecting kata from the dark side and the imperials and alos teaching kata to becoming a jedi. Also the story might focus on protecting merrin also. But the main villain, darth vader's fight and end to the imperials might come much more later in the future games.

[@wingman-1977]

Well, EA’s contract with Lucas film is supposedly over. If there’s a 3rd game, it would be with a different studio.