Why Cal Kestis Could Turn to the Darkside After Star Wars Jedi Survivor! (Star Wars Lore & Theory)

[@lilywong9672]

Merrin is already a dark side user as a Nightsister. Maybe she can teach Cal on how to channel it without corrupting himself.

[@jiffypoo5029]

This makes sense. I could see Cal and Merrin building a new Grey Jedi Order on Tanalore based on both Nightsister and Jedi teachings.

[@igantiousD2320]

FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE SAID IT!!!!!!!!

[@henryhaynes9635]

I like this theory 🤘

[@blipbloups1466]

Hope it doesn't turn into the same as Quinlan-Asajj. Would be lamentable.

[@igantiousD2320]

@@blipbloups1466 Sorry, i know ventress, and i keep hearing about this quinlan, supposedly he appeared in clone wars, but i actually dont remember him, still they are both badass are they not? vos wields both sides of the force and asajjs story somewhat resembkes that of galen merrik, baddie turned good/decent, so honest question, what exactly was wrong with them??

[@JRayC]

I feel cal will be a big player in actually finding true balance between light and dark.

[@igantiousD2320]

definitely, achieving what not even yoda could

[@ofrund]

George Lucas has stated this to be impossible. You can't be both calm and passionate at the same time. There have never been cannon examples of Force Users who had a balance of the two.

[@igantiousD2320]

perhaps hel be the first, like ive been saying, breaking the mold can open the way for amazing stories, this one in particular, i hope we get to see someday

[@sw-gs]

@@ofrund Balance means that you accept darkness in yourself use it as well as light and not let it consume you. That is balance. Also Jedi Code is bullshit. It was created to keep Jedi on the leash of Republic and Council.

[@jiffypoo5029]

​@@ofrund Things have changed from 1978 even under George. The Je'daii before Jedi and Sith were balanced light/dark force users who opposed exclusive light/dark usage. Before Disney reset the canon there were a ton of Grey Jedi and the Bendu from Rebels in current canon is a personification of the Grey. Cal using his Rage only when innocents are in danger or avenge an injustice would make him a Grey Jedi. Dark Jedi are seflish, Grey Jedi are not.

[@edquad2765]

Honestly? Cal doesnt strike me as someone who'd fully delve into the darkside. He seems more like he'd be a gray jedi

[@degoose2447]

Which is why when he did give in his darkness it was unexpected and amazing

[@igantiousD2320]

he should be the canonized incarnation of starkiller, thats where hes heading for me

[@flamesofchaos13]

@@igantiousD2320 Which the Canonical Starkiller was Light sided more than Dark sided. Then can't really be exact because started as Sith then became Grey Jedi.

[@igantiousD2320]

be that as it may, thats the conclusion i wanna see here, regardless of the process, grey jedi balancing light and dark equally, plus with cal it would feel so much more earned since he didnt START OUT as a powerhouse

[@igantiousD2320]

AND merrin could be crucial in getting to this point since nightsisters draw on the dark side for their "magic", and she is still good right?

[@DarkRob316]

I think there is a vast difference between Padme/Anakin and Cal/Merrin. Padme was incapable of stopping Anakin's fall to the dark side because she never really understood him to begin with. They were too different, with two very different pasts. Their relationship was very surface level, and almost entirely cloaked in deceit and secrecy, from the council, from the senate, from their closest friends, and lets be honest, even from themselves. They never really knew each other. The ending sequences of Revenge of the Sith bare all of this out over and over again. For Anakin to be deluded enough to really believe that Padme would be at his side to rule the galaxy together and "make things the way we want them to be" shows how little he ever really understood her. The entire concept is completely alien to her and the disbelief at what hes saying shows in her reaction. But the same goes for Padme as well, she really didnt know Anakin. When Obi-Wan tells her that Anakin has turned to the dark side, her first reaction is literally, "No, not Anakin, he couldnt". Well, actually he could, and he did, because as it turns out honey, you dont know your man anywhere as well as you think you do, despite the fact that the signs were always there, but she was incapable of recognizing them. When Anakin slaughtered the sandpeople that were responsible for his mothers death, Padme did what she could for him. She was sympathetic, she tried to comfort him, as best she could. But she did not understand him, and she did not understand how it changed him forever. Padme and Anakin were always destined for tragedy because they never should have been together in the first place. Cal and Merrin are completely different. They know and understand each other on a much deeper level. They are virtually identical to each other in what theyve experienced, what theyve lost, who theyve lost, and the pain they both carry inside. They are a nearly perfect support system for each other. They are stronger together. They each make the other stronger. When Cal is about to murder the imperial base commander(Denvyk? was that his name?), Merrin immediately recognizes the danger in whats going on, because she understands it. Shes been through it as well, and is still going through it. This understanding is why she is able to jump in and talk Cal off the ledge. Had this been Padme and Anakin, she might have held his hand, comforted him, but she could have done nothing to stop it. When Cal and Merrin are making their way to the temple on Tanalorr to confront Bode, it is Cal that stops and has a moment of clarity, realizing that by killing Bode, they are committing his daughter to the same pain and loss that Cal and Merrin have lived through. Merrin, who just a minute earlier had been warning Cal that Bode would fight to the death and they have no choice but to kill him to get the compass back, also stops in her tracks and instantly realizes that Cal is right, because they have that shared understanding. Cal and Merrin bring out the best in each other, while Anakin and Padme only enabled each other. Im not saying they didnt love each other, but it was a dark, secretive and destructive love that only led both of them to their downfall. As long as Cal has Merrin, he will never turn to the dark side. If Merrin dies, then maybe, but somehow I dont think Respawn would do that, because, regardless of whether or not Cal would riot, the fanbase certainly would.

[@tizza_sh]

This. Perfectly explained. I don’t understand how people think it they have similarities, it’s clearly not.

[@igantiousD2320]

guess i never thought about it but it makes a lot of sense, and not only does merrin ensure cal doesnt go dark(completely), but through her own connection with it, she may just help him navigate through it, unlocking all kinds of kickass powers in the process, but thats just wishful thinking on my part

[@Realdrlipschitz]

Very, very well said

[@daniell5740]

You need a life to write all that

[@matthewjordan7297]

This is very well put and I agree. I'd add that I think Cal has a very different temperament from Anakin. Anakin was always arrogant, overconfident, and rather power hungry. Cal became more sure of himself eventually, but it took some time after order 66. He's far more level-headed and generally good natured than Anakin. Cal talks Cerre down when they encounter Vader in Fallen Order, and he manages to make friends with Merrin after she literally raised the dead and tried to kill him. Anakin never bothered solving any problems without using his lightsaber. Every Jedi has brushes with the dark side, but to really go full Sith, there's a predisposition that needs to be there. Cal doesn't have that, so while he will have his temptations and his struggles, I think he'll be ok. And yes, if Merrin dies, we riot!

[@wojti225]

If Merrin dies Cal probably would go on a rampage and I think the best way to stop him from falling to the darkside is the mirror in Bogano. In JFO he saw himself as inquisitor. This time he would see a jedi for him to realise what monster he became. That way Cal would become a grey jedi.

[@jiffypoo5029]

I doubt they will kill off Merrin. They will probably have Merrin be captured and turned into an Inquisitor or The Emperors Hand or something. Then Cal has to defeat/save her.

[@ZaWardo151]

Merrin saving cal gives me the hope that cal will never let her go and be with her always since she was the one person to pull him form the darkness cal understands that every Jedi faces the dark side it’s how they deal with it that defines them his love for his friends and more importantly merrin is what drives that passion to be a grey force user, much like Luke in the legend timeline Kinda a reversal of Revan and bastila from a certain point of view Also I’m thinking that cal could be the cannon version of legend Luke skywalker since a lot of the stuff he does almost mirrors him in that way

[@Sabamonster]

That's all well and good assuming that nothing happens to Merrin. The galaxy is a dangerous place and there's nothing saying she'll survive it as long as he does.

[@ZaWardo151]

@@Sabamonster Yea that’s the sad reality that is the Star Wars galaxy, but we won’t know till the next game

[@romanbloomfield9066]

@@Sabamonster I honestly thought Bode was going to kill her at the end which would have been the tipping point for cal who would've then ripped Bode apart with the dark side

[@TheAdventGamer]

@@Sabamonster Beat me too it, yes Merrin seems to be the anchor for Cal not going fully Dark but should anything happen to her he may very well become a second Vader. Or he might not.

[@DarkRob316]

I think killing Merrin off would be too risky a move for Respawn. Even if they could create a compelling story for Cal around it, which Im sure they could, the backlash over killing off one of the most beloved characters from the games might be more heat than Respawn would be willing to bring down on themselves. We have all seen what happens when Star Wars fans dont get what they want, and Respawn likely has to.

[@robertrappaport3610]

I do feel like the temptations will continue to rise as the stakes rise as well. This game kept presenting temptations; but also evoked a NEED to use the dark side (as in the end, during the beating). One of the hardships for Kal and other survivors is that the Jedi of the Old Republic were so far fallen from what they had set out to be. So, if we accept that the video games mimic the main trilogy in theme (which they kind of do so far), most likely the third game will be about Both finding balance and starting something new.

[@JoeEnderman]

I think he will attemot to find balance. Embracing the dark in some moments, but holding to the light in the other times.

[@AtomicAnton_]

I feel like Cal facing the dark side will be one of the major themes of the next game, he embraces the darkness multiple times in survivor but there's no feeling that he goes too far. He will continue to embrace the darkness and possibly slowly begin to get comfortable with it. I'm excited for what's next in this story

[@darby2956]

I kinda hope they don't make it a binary choice at the end,like we chose if he turns good or bad

[@degoose2447]

I want to see some type of darkside abilities and stuff the reason why cal going to the darkside is interesting is because we never expect a character like cal to act like such and its amazing

[@jamariojackson4289]

Same I want to be able to do force choke and force crush on enemies willingly. Also for a third game that could maybe introduce Sith planets like Exegol and Korriban, we could get some good Sith lore from Cal’s pyschometry ability too.

[@alsimmonshellspawn6021]

​@jamariojackson4289 do not hope too much those Disney writers aren't that talented enough nor know much about the sith and jedi lore they are also limited by Kathleen Kennedy and Dave filoni

[@merentori]

I want the third game to have Kata be Cal's padawan, and he has to protect her, maybe that would have him rely on the darkside more, maybe Merrin would die and Kata would have to keep Cal from losing himself, or maybe Cal could die or become the main villain or something and we end up playing as Kata, that sequence when you "die" as Cal, and then respawn as Cere, then die as Cere to fucking Darth Vader, before he trudges off and Cal finds her dead body felt like such a fever dream, I want more of that lol

[@TwoFoxGibbon]

I think this is the last story we get for Cal. Unless he gets a padawan, there isn't any more arc for him.

[@HelplessTeno]

I think they're setting him up to be a Grey Jedi. He's too against the Empire and the Dark Side to fully embrace it. If anything he'll utilize it as a power in no-win situations but otherwise I think he'll avoid it.

[@BartyCrease98]

You can be against the empire and a dark side user, look at maul in rebels

[@jiffypoo5029]

Star Wars has been slowly building the idea of Grey Jedi for a while. I think it's all about darkside for selfish reasons or darkside to avenge injustice or darkside to ruin an oppressive regime. Cal doesn't want to force crush you but if you are a slaver kidnapping force sensitive kids... then Cal just might need to give into his rage.

[@darby2956]

Well the dark side and the empire aren't exclusively linked. Dagan and maul were dark side users that both opposed or at least didn't join the empire

[@gregkral4467]

I think he will go grey. the balance between both sides is immeasurably more powerful than focus on light or dark, you gotta know both sides.

[@lewisbooth198]

i hope in the next game cal is using the dark side in secret cause hes afraid of loosing everyone since loosing cerre took a toll on him and now wants the power to help and protect them but also trying to stay on the path he believes being a jedi i think this could be a good story as we have seen ezra using the dark side for a little while hopefully we can something similar with cal using the dark side for good or so he thinks

[@jamariojackson4289]

So kinda like Ezra from s3 of Rebels ? I agree it was my theory before even Survivor came out, not seeing it all play out it’s definitely lookin like they’re going much darker with Cal. Hopefully that would unlock more in game abilities for the third game.

[@lewisbooth198]

@@jamariojackson4289 yes like in rebels season 3 when ezra was using the sith holocron in secret cause he wanted to protect his friends after he thought he lost ashoka i think a similar story could be told in the next game cal uesing the dark side and gameplay wise get some dark side powers

[@jamariojackson4289]

@@lewisbooth198 Yeah hopefully that happens in the next game, that sounds cool.

[@Spectrum_Country1028]

Kestis is a character that is one that is similar to what many would call "a more rational Anakin Skywalker." Though Cal has dipped his toes in it, he doesn't keep splashing around in it, and eventually drowning in it like Anakin did. He has pursued a path to save all he had cared about, like Anakin, but he was aware of the Dark side when it flared up, not attempt to rationalize his actions and turn a blind eye to it. Say Cal explores the galaxy after many years, he realizes that the Empire has fractured. He reenters the galaxy to the Empire, fractured, and a new Repiblic in its place. He begins hearing of a Jedi bringing balance to the Force by the name Skywalker. Initially thinking it was Anakin, he decides to investigate. When he realizes that it is Luke, he begins to question how long he was truly gone. This gives him a mixed reaction; happy that the Empire is gone (so the galaxy thinks), but sad about all the time he had missed, disappointed that he wasn't part of the downfall of the Empire, that he couldn't save any more Jedi. As he tries to open himself up to the state of the Galaxy, he begins to let himself worry about how Merrin, Kata, Greez, and possibly any biological kid he may have would be affected by the changed galaxy. If he encounters another Dark Side threat, his solo encounters would slowly drive him towards the dark, fearing that he would lose what he had fought to maintain. If he does submit completely, it would be something very deep taken away from him again that would unshackle the emotions he had trained to keep at bay.

[@auroraflash]

Cal uses the dark side a lot and he’s already accepted it as a means to achieve his goals.

[@kevind3974]

i have a feeling that he will not fall per say but he will use the dark side or atleast some of its powers. in a sense become like marrin or a redeemed assag who has to use the dark side for their abilitys but did not fall (thou both cononicaly did). now i dont expect him to be blasting out force lightning or anything but using magic yes. their are already a bunch of her skills he wants to learn after all so it makes sense

[@marcoasierrabernal4893]

I think they have many choices? They can let him fall to the dark side and fall completely just to come back to the light and become a grey Jedi and for this he needs to accepts the flaws of the Jedi and why they would not survive the empire the way they are and how he needs to become something else

[@jamesp6595]

I'd love to see the next game bring in a major character from the movies/TV. There aren't many they could interweave into Cal's story without breaking the lore, but I think they could do it with Darth Maul. It would be a good way to have a darkside arc for Cal (which they seem to be teasing). They both have a personal vendetta against Vader at this point, and him being from Dathomir would add a layer of trust because of his relationship with Merrin (Unless Merrin knows about Maul, but i don't think so because she was kind of ignorant about Jedi/Sith in the first game). Maybe they return to Dathomir for Merrin to retrieve something and run into Maul at the temple

[@Laverty318]

Seems possible. He was super conflicted by the end. But I think Merrin will help. I'm just curious how the story progresses in general

[@balvz]

Merrin dies and solidifies dark side Cal.

[@filmboy422]

Fun Theory: "There's a possibility that in the 3rd Sequel of this game, or if it even will get one. That there's a possibility that Cal Kestis will end up becoming Starkiller, probably to replace Galen Marek's Starkiller, and taking it as a sign that there will be no 3rd sequel to Star Wars Force Unleashed III anytime soon. But this is just my fun theory only, I just hope I won't jinx it"

[@DeliriousTitan]

From a story telling perspective i dont think we will see cal fully fall to the dark side as it just creates anakin in a poncho. So one of two things will probably happen One if merrin dies kata will repeat merrins words that death is apart of you but dosent define you Or Two merrin will keep cal anchord and either show him how to balance the light and dark side as shes a darkside user or keep him from the path entirley

[@MrHoll87]

I didn't know about that statement from Respawn. That greatly concerns me. I know I'm a sap, but I really hope Cal does NOT turn in the next game and I hope Merrin doesn't die. Aside from that, I think Cal has already started his journey in overcoming the dark side temptation. You see it at the very end of his conflict with Bode. Cal is stuck in a headlock, Kata just got flung like a ragdoll by her own dad, and Merrin is several inches off the ground being choked to death. If there was a moment Cal was gonna snap, it was gonna be here. Cal was powerless, all he could do was watch as bode kills the woman he loves, one of the only few people he has left and probably the only one who truly understands him and what he's been through (because she's been through it too). But instead of giving into temptation to harness the darkside again, instead, he used his wits and training, and managed to wiggle free and save Merrin with his own strength. That was crucial in his journey to overcoming the darkside. He didn't give in when it would have been easiest, he kept his emotions in check, and was smart, relying on training rather than rage.

[@degoose2447]

A lot of people probably want an option one canon one not canon or some fun dark side stuff

[@MrHoll87]

@@degoose2447 I would love that too honestly. I just hope the canon version is him not turning but I'd still play it and love it regardless. But I agree, giving the players the option would be ideal.

[@shaunmiller442]

While some might argue they can’t see Cal using the dark side narratively, it is clearly where they’re headed gameplay wise. These first two games were about playing a Jedi. And we dipped our toes into the dark side a bit. Next game you’ll retain all of your abilities just like you did in this game, so how will they add more abilities? There’s only so many lightside stuff they can use. They’ll turn Cal to the dark side just so we get to use dark side abilities. It’s truly the last power fantasy we need from this gaming trilogy. A modern Forced Unleashed.

[@ahobbyist9520]

I want to see him throw/destroy a star destroyer with the force.

[@shaunmiller442]

@@ahobbyist9520 I’m a little scared of power scaling in the Star Wars universe. Cal seems very strong and this is obviously because we experience his story in video game format. Movie and TV doesn’t have the money to make scenes on the scale of a video game. So it tends to make video game characters look very strong. So I’m a little hesitant to just let Cal do crazy things with the force because he’s not narratively supposed to be amazingly strong.

[@jiffypoo5029]

Third game he will probably learn some dark side and nightsister powers. Cal will probably be the first canon Grey Jedi. He doesn't want to force choke you, but mess with force sensitve kids or merrin and he just might burst out some force lightning. Dark Jedi/Sith are driven by selfishness, Cal is driven to protect and doesn't care about his own power.

[@eternalhistory4706]

People that can’t see cal turning to the dark side are clueless, he has all the reasons and motivations of turning to the dark side, he’s already really attached to his friends and especially merrin who he is in love with, he will end up becoming attached to Katta, not to mention all the grief and loss of people he knew. I 100% see cal going dark

[@eternalhistory4706]

@@jiffypoo5029 Yes But this depends on the Sith/dark Jedi. They’re driven through their selfishness, but this could be extended. For example they’re selfish because they don’t want to lose their loved ones, so attachment could be seen as selfish. Basically some Sith are selfless because they’re “selfish”. Some will use the dark side to keep the ones they care about from dying (for example darth plagueis) because they care about them because they are in their life, so technically they’re selfless through selfishness. Hard to explain, think anakin and his attachment to padme. He can’t see a world without her, so he’s selfish but it’s also selfless. Get it? Cal would be like this, some Sith don’t care about loved ones, those are the maniacal ones like palpatine who are psychopaths, but most Sith especially in swtor care about their loved ones and use it as a motivation for their power and need

[@landenwillard844]

What im hoping is he go like a revan type route because Revan was using the dark side of the force but it didn't consume him... but Revan was technically a sith at the time but Cal can be what jedi used to be Jed 'ai i think is what it was called where they used both the light and dark side i guess what the fandim refer to as "grey" jedi

[@garethalford682]

I think the Stances Need to be Like in Ghost of Tsushima where you can Change stances Fast and on the fly and be able to have all of them not just 2 and add the option to have a Curved Lightsaber with a Curved stance like Dooku fencing Rapier sword fighting style More Combos like Force Unleashed 1 & 2 More Lightsaber Parts and Jedi / sith Outfits for Cal with hoods that you can toggle hood up or down some smuggler outfits or pirate outfits for Cal more haircuts and beards

[@WildWolfGod]

I find it interesting and I'm wondering if it's intentional on Respawn's part, but they never take away the new/altered version of Slow you get near the end in the story which I assume is possibly Force Rage. It may mean that the anger and pain he feels from the events of the story have stayed with him but that's just me.

[@ivanpalomo1586]

Also the menu stays red

[@jonathonmohammed1671]

I can see Jedi 3 diving into Cal Kestis being a Grey Jedi like Ahsoka Tano. Embracing all of what the force has to offer but making good decisions. Giving the fans a true force unleashed experience that we have all been waiting for. I have a feeling this last installment is going to be the best Star Wars game ever.

[@bradengudgel8129]

Definitely what I’m hoping for. Perhaps they can give cal full on force lighting, and maybe even the force choke ability Anakin had in battlefront 2 where he chokes everyone in like a 10 foot radius. I just hope to god they give Cal and Merrin a decent ending. It’s become a predictable cliche at this point for Star Wars relationships to just plummet down the toilet.

[@grimlord3181]

Ahsoka is not a Gray Jedi.

[@epicevanhogan6489]

In the next game I hope there will be an option near the end of the game to choose dark or light Because Merrin is gonna die or something so it gives you a choice turn to the dark to save her (she will still die tho). Or stay on the light and let her die Something like that would be cool

[@igantiousD2320]

honestly the dark side can and should play a major role in the next game, however, it cant be the same old anakin fall to the dark side, cal has come a long way and if he did not fall at the end of survivor, doing that further down the line would completely dispel all that fortitud he displayed in the end

[@jplfthefish3449]

It would be a slap in the face both narratively and to the character himself if Cal fell to the dark side. I think we will see him really struggle with it, but ultimately triumph.

[@igantiousD2320]

@@jplfthefish3449 Right???

[@flamesofchaos13]

Indeed Cal can't fall to the Dark side fully. He isn't Anakin in any regard. His choice was to give Bode every single chance to surrender. He only taps into it when there is no other choice but death. Not to mention how boring it is to repeat the same storyline of a good guy turns evil for the "greater good". Then not to mention the title of the series is Jedi...Not Sith not Dark Jedi not Grey Jedi. Cal is a Light Sider...Just one pushed to the edge but endures.

[@igantiousD2320]

@@flamesofchaos13 true, and i definitely want him to stay good, and who knows, maybe he becomes so badass that he can even do all the fits great jedi AND SITH masters are capable of, honestly, i just wanna see cal use lightning, if that alone happens, ill considered myself fulfilled

[@flamesofchaos13]

@@igantiousD2320 Rey used Lightning. So yeah Cal can use it and still remain good. In fact I thought that's what we would've gotten in Survivor not whatever the new slow is.

[@tj3603]

I don't think so, he is a lightsider in the core, actually kind and selfless. It's not the first time he was tempted by darkness, but he quickly returns back to light. We as players may enjoy and have fun in those gameplay sequences, but Cal as a charater always becomes terrified and broken by this power. Also, there is another reason for other jedi to fall. Malicos, Bode, Masana, Trilla too in some maner were adults, when Order was destroyed. And the Order fall for a reason, it was rigid and corrupt organisation with questionable practices, that told it's deciples to suppres very potent and strong emotions, like lust, attachment, love, anger, fear, shame ect. But emotions does not work that way, they become even stronger, if you ignore them. So when Order was gone, all this people had to deal with years of suppresed emotions on their own, which is a potent ground to falling to the dark side. Cal had some issues, but he was a child when it happened, so he had less of this stuff to deal with, and he did it more naturally - through actions and by actually feeling his grief, and fear, and anxiety. It made him more resilient to fully embracing dark side.

[@daniell5740]

All his family and friends are dying Vader wanted to destroy sidious but he was still darth vader

[@christianbeach8975]

Hot take but what if cal becomes the new Galen merek, at the end of the next game hell die by Vader's hand but Vader will realize his potential and clone him to start a second trilogy of games with Vader molding call to his image

[@dennismollenhauer9890]

the nex game is 10 years later after episode 6.

[@timmywoo3572]

he may not turn to the dark side, but he will most likely embrace it more and more if he loses more people that he cared about

[@MetroRetro31]

I personally don’t think so Bc I feel like Merlin is the key to keeping him stop going to go to dark side Bc if u played the game u know she stops him by going to the dark side by saying she doesn’t want to lose him to the empire

[@sadkeny]

Therefore u gotta kill her off, won't much of an anchor then.

[@oscaririzar5051]

Now what if you remove Merrin from the equation let’s say she’s killed I could see Cal falling to the dark

[@MetroRetro31]

@@oscaririzar5051 u still would have greez to be a another person to help him and also he would also have bd1

[@viddog6457]

Nah if merrin dies cal is turning to the dark 100% until whoever killed her is dead, then he would just feel hollow, i mean he chased bode for just killing Cordova without thinking and getting stims. Just imagine this with Merrin it would be 100x more emotional for him.

[@jerkypower]

Honestly, I would like to have a choice in the third game to return back to the light side or fall to the dark side early in the game. I want to have a game where I can play a true Sith. I love the style of this franchise and being a true Sith (killing people, having an emotional and angry character, etc...) would be my dream coming true.

[@Ibarxa]

A common theme in Star Wars media after the fall of the republic, when it comes to Jedi, is recognizing the failures of the order and growing from them. In legends, Luke got married, had kids, and used traditionally dark side abilities. If the Star Wars story continues, the “new” Jedi order would probably be a lot more progressive. Love, emotion, would be a lot more accepted and that makes total sense for it to be that way.

[@Redefine-Red]

I want the 3rd part of this sequel to introduce a canon starkiller as cals foe. Make the plot about cals struggle with the dark side and starkillers struggle with the light. Give us a mirror story where the two start off rivals but eventually see they have so much in common that they can use it for good. Give cal one good shot at darth vader. He doesn’t gotta win or lose, just let us have that moment we all wanted the first time we seen vader in fallen order. This series has so much potential but I think starkiller is seriously the foe cal needs to conclude his trilogy

[@jamariojackson4289]

How would introducing Starkiller work though at this point ? like not shooting down your desires I’m just genuinely curious. Only thing that I could think of working is maybe he’s the new Grand Inquisitor, but even then they’d have to explain where he was when all the other inquisitors were out on missions.

[@Tehz1359]

Personally I do want some sort of synthesis between light and dark. Purists might not like this, but I think it's more interesting. These themes are kind of explored through these two games. At one point in jedi survivor, Cal even says that "the order is gone", implying that he's not just going to bring back the jedi order as he knew it before. And him choosing to disobey the jedi code on attachment with Merrin. That may seem like a relatively small thing, but it's a pretty big deal. Plus, Merrin herself is kind of dark side user, being a night sister. And yet Merrin is a good person who doesn't seem corrupted at all. So with all that, I think we end up finding that light and dark aren't so much about the kind of abilities you use or how you whether you get your power from emotion or not, these may be revealed to be misunderstandings. But it's more about to what ends are you using the gift of the force, and I don't think using it to save loved ones is bad necessarily. Keep in mind this is all my head canon, however it is certainly not baseless given how this game turned out. And to be fair, them going with this sort of message might have serious implications for the canon, so they may not do it.

[@ThoraxetheImpaile100]

I wonder if perhaps the third game will give us a choice to go full light side or dark side. Cal is obviously changed after the events of Survivor and he's gonna have a lot of demons to face.

[@jiffypoo5029]

They won't let you choose. This is full Star Wars canon story and Cal is planned to show up in the 10 ABY Mando era. Maybe Cal will be a dark jedi that Ahsoka needs to deal with.

[@MinktheStorykeeper]

@@jiffypoo5029 that didn't happen though. At least yet

[@Mohawk_Productions]

What’s that? The era you mentioned

[@jiffypoo5029]

Cal is a Disney making the Grey Jedi canon. Cal uses his rage, passion and fear to protect and not for selfish personal gain. Cal doesn't want to force crush you but he will if you try to hurt his nightsister or force sensitive kids.

[@soulofcinder2007]

I feel like the only way he would fully embrace the dark side is if Merrin or maybe even kata gets killed.

[@chrisfatecj426]

Would be awesome in my opinion, if Cal goes dark for half the next game, his friends, including Kata needing to find him and bring him back into the light...

[@MIK_IL]

I don’t care too much for him turning but i would like him to be able to harness aspects of the dark side or his darkness. It’s unfortunate there is no one to teach him how to use Vapad

[@MetroRetro31]

And I also feel bd1 would also prevent him Bc of how close bd1 and also I feel like he never go to the dark side Bc of what Vader did

[@auroraflash]

Sidious is a beacon of the dark side and no one will ever be able to beat him using it. He is the most evil man of the galaxy.

[@kappakappsson1603]

I believe the 3rd game might be a choice driven game maybe. The choices you make might make you go into the light side or embrace the dark side to its full potential. I'm just speculating though, but however. It would turn into a pretty epic story if he turned, it would be sad aswell. But quite a turn. I would've never believe Cal would embrace it even a little bit after the first game. Even I got mad when Bode did what he did and understood Cal completely. It is easy to turn to the dark side when everything you fought for disappears infront of your very eyes. This video sums it up perfectly.

[@wayoutcustoms2531]

I think a new dark side cult should be created one based on revenge from passed aggressions

[@dianabarnett6886]

Cal is dangerously close to falling to the dark side, and he knows it. He's scared, because he doesn't know if he can win the fight with himself. He probably will; I don't think the developers have the guts to make him go down that path fully. But part of me thinks it could be an amazing tragedy.

[@ninepuchar1]

I can imagine Cal learning some dark side power😮. Imagine next game,Cal will harness darkside and lightside at the same time🤩.

[@Nic_03_21]

My theory for the third game is that Cal will struggle containing his inner dark side and I think he’ll eventually turn. I think that the premonition of him as an Inquisitor will happen. Or, to satisfy the fandom, I also think that he’ll become Vader’s new apprentice, a new Starkiller. But, I also believe that he will return to the light with help of Kata which I believe she will be a force user and an apprentice to Cal. I think her as a Padawan would be an interesting addition to the third game.

[@LizardMan8675309]

It’s clear to me that Cal’s conflict with the dark side has been a key through line between fallen order and survivor and will come to a climax in the third game. I think Merrin, Greeze, and in a way Cere will be able to pull Cal back from the edge

[@kiwi_commander]

IMO, Cal is going to be the first Gray Jedi that we get to see. In the third game, he will learn that both the Jedi Order and the Sith are wrong when it comes to understanding the Force. The Dark side is not inherently evil just like the Light is not inherently good, it all depends on the wielder.

[@zaboknowsbest13]

Hell yea brother this is dead on

[@grabsak]

Or you can press pause on the game and you can see the background ligjy has turned from a blue to red. Also when you start a new game plus they give you a red lightsaber option. I'm guessing the next game will have us making choices in the story that'll move us closer to the light or the darkside.

[@JehBasquiat]

The reason they showed us Cere healing herself without BD1 and all the Darkside hints at the end is because Merrin and BD1 will die in the next game and he will have to heal himself using the force like Cere after the death of Merrin drives him to the dark side.

[@SE7VENprod]

Cal strikes me as an asoka type figure embracing the dark side in a jedi way such as the initial Je'daii which are now more so called grey jedi. But i think that is the true path of the force to embrace light and dark and find balancs

[@magirexx4663]

For the 3rd game, a morality system is now a must!

[@SadJBomb]

the next game is definitely gonna be cal learning to channel his darkness (could even reveal mace windu and have him help)

[@JahBlamm]

In the third game. I can see merrin getting killed and cal falls to the darkside. And now we may play as kata and turn cal back to the light doing what bode couldnt do.

[@bradengudgel8129]

I don’t think that would work. Kata isn’t nearly powerful enough to face Cal. We would be playing a ridiculously powerful Cal throughout the course of the game, just to be shot back down to reality playing as a novice padawan. And the time jump probably won’t be anything more than like 2 years, so she would be a little 11 year old child whose had part time training.

[@Devastator21]

I wonder if cal would be similar to revan or a gray jedi I've been wondering how did cere fight vader kinda on equal footing when in fallen order she got smacked aside good vid btw i like this channel

[@jamariojackson4289]

Because she wasn’t scared anymore, she didn’t fear him or death. The same way Kanan was able to defeat the Grand Inquisitor, when he said he had nothing left to fear. It’s pretty clear to me at this point that Jedi gets some kind of power boost when they fully left go of fear, and fully embrace the force and have hope. Plus Vader himself stated multiple times how strong that she was in both games.

[@Devastator21]

@@jamariojackson4289 thanks for the info

[@jamariojackson4289]

@@Devastator21 You’re welcome.

[@R35PECT77]

What would be cool is if they do a whole game where he’s on the dark side then he redeems himself back to the light side throughout 2 more games

[@DjKat-10]

To you point of Cere teaching him another way to steer him away from the darkside. I don't believe it's to keep him from the darkside, as it's more a counterpoint to what Jaro taught Cal. And Cal's devotion to honoring him. Jaro in the first game, states many times in a simple way to phrase it "straight ahead all the time!" That's just my opinion of what she was trying to help Cal with.

[@JaysParrot]

My ideal for a third game would be playing as one of the final inquisitors hunting Cal. First brother or First Sister. Add a character creator and you could pick species etc. would be great to have inquisitor armour customisation. Cal could utilise dark side against you but ultimately sacrifice himself for Merrin and the child. Game ends when Vader executed you as the last inquisitor as the Emperor has declared them no longer required. Have a Vader final boss fight which is just how long can you last before you die.

[@Th_Uslss_Indvdl]

I’m pretty sure Cal is going to become part of the grey.

[@DinoViking]

Cal dosen't strike me as a darkside user maybe a gray jedi and if thats the case cal and merrin have to stick together and if they kill of one of them or separate them in the next game I give up

[@essbee7948]

there can only be i think 3 different endings 1 the predicted one the ending will be cal dying from facing vader. 2 kata turning to the dark side and your promise hasn't happened .? and 3 merrin dies and cal wal turn to the dark side.?

[@paytonlengerich1069]

I think if something happens to Merrin or Greez in the next game that could push Cal over to the dark side, but if they survive he will stay off that path to the dark side. Even if Greez dies I think as long as Merrin is by his side he won’t turn

[@paytonlengerich1069]

Merrin is the key to whether Cal turns to the dark in my opinion

[@chickensnatch]

Anyone mentioning a grey jedi have no idea what a grey jedi is at all lmao fools, also cal isn't either faction hes just a man trying to make his way in the galaxy

[@ninasong774]

First episodes of Ahsoka yesterday, so I decided to let myself imagine that Cal is this Inquisitor Marrok. Though it would be interesting, I am 99% sure that Marrok is not Cal.

[@anigabe5502]

it would be cool for him to lose cere, or for in one way or another to believe she had died, and bleed his crystal halfway just for her and ceres force ghost to save him. Ultimetaly making him have a canon orange lightsaber and making him a true gray jedi.

[@Anonymous0C]

I'm hoping we abandon "Dark = Bad. Light = Good." That Disney Canon has adopted. I miss the idea in Legends that Dark and Light are pieces of a whole. I hope the next Jedi game follows that mindset.

[@alsimmonshellspawn6021]

I wish this could happen in the 3rd game but those Disney writers and developers seem not to know much about the jedi and sith lore or are true fans of the franchise, theu also seem to be influenced by dave filoni and Kathleen Kennedy, but imagine if they let cal kestis find a ancient sith lord holocrom where he could learn dark side abilities like force fear, dark sight, dark tendrils, force crush, force repulse, force lightning, force cloat, force drain, force speed, force blash,force flight, sith archemy sith rituals ect while keeping his light side abilities, and grow even stronger than he was in the 2nd game

[@garethalford682]

In the 3rd Game Cal and Merrin should have a baby kata being the baby’s older step sister and cal should teach kata how to be a Jedi and teach her the Darkside but without falling to it and there needs to be a Darkside skill tree and in the middle of the game, there should be a choice where the Cal stays a Jedi Or Falls to the Darkside and at the end there should be another choice to choose a Light side ending or Darkside ending Like the Infamous Games

[@dwbkmj]

I would love a non cannon Star wars game that lets you choose your own path either Grey, Dark or Light.

[@steven-i6j]

Frank castle to daredevil "your one bad day away from been me" this is so true for any jedi they all end up falling when something bad happens to them. im predicting in part 3 merrin is pregnant with cal's child, cal is one with the force, calm and happy living a good life, while on tanalorr someone from the hidden path is a undercover agent blows up something. merrin and bd1 gets killed in the blast. cal consumed with rage turns back to the darkside, realises bode was right slaughters everyone on tanalorr and goes on a rampage against everybody both the empire and hidden path comes across obi wan, has a big epic fight that obi wan wins and kills cal. ends with obi wan realising tanalorr is not safe for the hidden path and destroys everything that shows how to get there.

[@kikook222]

My thoughts are Cal will be like Windu and will master using both sides while never crossing.

[@brionstrusz4531]

I’m going to rephrase of what you you just said if Merrin does die there is no might he will succumb to the Dark Side. But Love the Video

[@BrandonOfJapan]

Itd be neat if Merrin turns out to be a sith spy to observe the assembly of the Jedi, to come to find out Kata is a strong force user that would be a powerful asset to the sith, setting up a unforseeable betrayal. Why I would like this is because i really want someone whos been in all 3 games to betray Cal, as a test to see if he will succumb to the dark side.

[@baki484]

There is a missing nightsister inquisitor who turned to bounty hunting after she killed her master. An inquisitors trained her and when she was ready to leave Dathomir she killed her master took her inquisitor lightsaber and falsified the records of who trained her.

[@oscarkageson-loe]

Whilst I do like your theories I think it is unlikely that Cal will turn to the dark side as he acknowledges that he almost lost himself and admits that he is scared which part of the redeemable path that you said earlier where a Jedi meditates on themselves and try to make moral decisions agains. He also changes a lot throughout Cere’s flashbacks and after escaping the Imperial base and thinking about Dagen Gara, he knows that he needs to be more careful about his mission and his motives as he doesn’t want to end up like Dagen and when he and Merrin confront Bode, Cal uses the lessons that Cere taught him to look for multiple way outs as he also realises that he has killed enough people that are more dangerous such as the Ninth sister and Ravis, he knows that killing doesn’t solve anything and it should only be used as a last resort in case the enemy refuses to listen.

[@alexlogsdon9519]

i think respawns going to have choices be more important in the next one meaning some potential different endings

[@dave5670]

Cal will probably have a redemption moment

[@michael_bane_official]

good video should have 500k views

[@jiffypoo5029]

Cal will probably get force choke and force crush but Dark Jedi are selfish and seek more power but Cal wants to protect and doesn't care about himself or his own power. Cal is the first canon Grey Jedi. Merrin has clearly put a target on her back and Palpatine would love to get his hands on a powerful Nightsister and turn her into his Emperor's Hand. Third game will probably be about Cal fighting/rescuing Merrin and coming to terms with using the his rage/passion unselfishly to protect. Who knows, maybe Merrin dies and Cal will be a Dark Jedi that Ahsoka needs to deal with.

[@Jcjcjd-d2o]

He isn't evil, but good people do dark things in dark times. i dont think it has to make him bad he just has to learn to control it a bit better.

[@aceinthehole5611]

According to some lore, Cal has been channeling thr darkside for a long time because of his slow or stasis ability. His dark side ability in Survivor, is stasis along with a different moveset and more general power. This moveset is nearly identical to Cere's, who we know came back from the dark side. Cal should not turn. I also think the whole "grey jedi" concept is a bit over hyped. A beacon of hope, much like Cere or Obi-wan would be way more interesting

[@minatonamikaze9393]

No never players should have a choice on it but I can’t imagine cal being sith. A gray Jedi is a better side for him. Plus “3rd game” has to be playable for Jedi players if it is being made

[@imperious8905]

Grey Jedi don’t exist. He will be a Jedi. He won’t turn.

[@AndrewLaird-uu3kg]

Moving to the dark side would make sense because in the first game you unlock the inquisitors outfit and red light saber and there are a lot of red and black coustomisation options of course these colours are coulors that most dark side Jedi (Sith ) wear along with the possibility that merrin could get kidnapped or harmed so badly that she would die soon after unless the powers of the dark side aided them in being healed where cal would go through slaughtering all of the people who hurt merrin in which he would turn to the darkside this is what I think could happen it’s not me trying to summarise the video don’t get mad at what I have said because I don’t know a lot about Star Wars lore or anything if you want to say something then explain what I have said that can’t happen

[@jamariojackson4289]

I kinda thought the same thing too and it’s been my theory as well. Ever since the first game they teased him going dark with the inquisitor visions, then they added the red crystal and a inquisitor outfit in a future update. I also said in my theory that Cere would die (which she did indefinitely), so now I’m thinking my theory will come true, and by the third game Cal is going to be fully untapped into the darkside. I’m not sure if he’s going to use the Darkside exclusively, but we’ve already seen him in the ISB base, literally ripping doors open, using force rage, force crushing droids, and choking Imps. It’s only a matter of time before his chains are truly broken, and he’ll see how much of a power boost the darkness gives him; so he’d do whatever to stop the Empire. Kind of how Ezra used the dark side in Rebels to fight the Empire.

[@thomasowen2857]

I don’t think Cal will fully turn to the darkside I think he’ll be a Mace Windu type of Jedi he’ll learn to channel his inner darkness

[@theultimatebadass-cq1xh]

what? star wars jedi: dark side

[@katieadams5860]

I think that using the dark side from time to time is the only way they have a chance at fighting the empire

[@jaysongehrke8326]

I feel like cal will fall to the dark side for a short while but like Merton said she would try to bring him back which I think she will making cal a grey Jedi

[@WasteLandKing1]

I think Call will land as a grey Jedi and will lead as a reformist Jedi.

[@dave5670]

I think it would be a good twist if Cal fell to the dark side maybe he comes back from it but maybe he doesn’t and dies in the third game

[@mist3rasylum397]

If it were to happen in DLC or the 3rd game, i hope merinn doesnt die. Ill be pissed

[@wkdxcrimex]

New theory cal is the inquisitor we see in Ahsoka, far fetched but if he does fall to the darkside it’s not impossible

[@MabansAllDay]

I knew this would happen when I saw Cal Kestis stop dismembering people.

[@zaboknowsbest13]

Anyone who thinks hes going full dark hasnt been paying attention. Without knowing too much about star wars lore, turning him full dark would spit in the face of all the themes and narratives of the games.

[@liamtayler498]

I am sure Maze Windu used the dark side in his light sabor style.

[@lightofalpha]

The Sith and Jedi think the same way that's why the Jedi turned to the dark side and why the Sith thinks like a Jedi.🔮