A-10 Warthog vs Mosquito VI: Dogfight | DCS WORLD

[@TheFreeSpiritKID]

Can you shoot down active radar missiles using passive missiles?

[@grimreapers]

Kinda: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oae2daVtoaehqJI

[@jamesscott6917]

It would be a waste. The pilots, unless overwhelmed, are skilled at evading them. The issue is not getting into a place in which being overwhelmed is likely.

[@MajorBorris]

Any pilot worth his salt would never get into a turn fight with a more agile aircraft but with a 58 mph advantage the A-10 Warthog can play the role of energy fighter and control the engagement effectively making this a no-contest.

[@TheEvertw]

And the real A10 would be able to fire missiles from a safe distance...

[@TheStefanskoglund1]

@@TheEvertw which missile ? Sidewinders ? Is the Mosquito hot enough so that the missile can lock on ?

[@MajorBorris]

@@TheEvertw yeah but you don't even need the missiles if you fly the aircraft to its advantage

[@smokeonthewater5287]

Except in DCS where a spitfire outclimbs the F-15 lol

[@TheEvertw]

​@@smokeonthewater5287 You are kidding me. The F15 climbs 10 times as fast as the spitfire in real life! You don't see spitfires stand on their tail...

[@amclips2995]

Hispano fire rate ~700 rounds per minute per canon (2800 rounds per minute for all 4) Gau8 up to 4200 rounds per minute.. 7.7m machinegun doubtful effect on the A10

[@slammerf16]

.303 is a large rifle cartridge similar in peformance to a .308 it's not something you can ignore if you're within a few hundred metres - especially if you've got 4x Brownings firing them at you at 600 Rpm/gun

[@mikeymike1792]

It's so silly, but I love seeing the Mosquito kicking arse and taking names.

[@grimreapers]

agree

[@ivarr_hinn_beinlausi]

A-10 30mm gun as a rate of fire of 3900~ per min, so a 1sec burst would mean 65 rounds where each weights around 380g, so 25kg of lead flying towards the enemy. The Mosquito if all gun fires at the same time would hand out around 33 7.7mm bullets per second (13g per bullet, so 0.43kg) and 40x 20mm rounds (130g each, so 5.2kg). In total the A-10 can put out 25kg of death in a 1sec burst, while the Mosquito can put out 5.63kg.

[@TinyBearTim]

Yes but a10 isn’t accurate

[@ivarr_hinn_beinlausi]

@@TinyBearTim The sighting mechanism in the A-10 pilots helm visor will be a hell a lot more accurate than the guns on a 70 year old Mosquito.

[@SlavicCelery]

@@ivarr_hinn_beinlausi But but but, they trained Kentucky windage with shotguns! Yeah, no. Sights make a big difference and lots of WW2 sights fogged up with undue regularly.

[@walterblanc9708]

So whoever hits first is likely to win.

[@kalicom2937]

The usual Mosquito armament was four 20 mm Hispano Mk.II cannon and four .303 (7.7 mm) Browning machine guns, did you forget about the canons when you did your calculations?

[@Pablo668]

Very entertaining guys, good flying. I'm somewhat surprised by RC's comments, I have him pegged as a pretty good pilot.

[@grimreapers]

He struggles in dogfights for reason. I think it's a panic thing. I've got one more warbird fight to do then I'll put him in something more suitable.

[@CMDRSweeper]

@@grimreapers Get the damp sock and try to make him the wet sock in a dogfight from sweating!

[@Decrepit_biker]

@@grimreapers RC isn't giving himself enough credit. He could fly my wing anytime 😊

[@AllTradesGeorge]

He said he's not a good Mosquito pilot, which is a fair admission to make. If he hasn't flown it a lot, it's tough to call it a fair test. There are other dogfighting videos where RC has really made a battle out of it, but those are planes with which he's familiar.

[@Pablo668]

@@AllTradesGeorge yeah, I guess I don’t listen good.

[@gcullen5331]

1:03 - Boom and zoom, same tactics used by US fighters in WWII against the zero. They found out energy > agility

[@GrahamMilkdrop]

While it is true that the US pilots learned to avoid turn fights against the Japanese, the main shift in strategy was much more about disciplined coordination with other pilots in the squadron rather than adopting 'boom and zoom'. Beyond the 'higher starting altitude is better' maxim, a comprehensive understanding of 'energy fighting' was yet to be understood and had not been properly codified into pilot training at that time plus, as 1 on 1 engagements were extremely rare, formation tactics were the most efficient and effective way of coping with enemy formations. When defending a fleet, for example, it is not appropriate to break off and extend in order to gain altitude before re engaging... the attacking force won't hang around they'll just continue on to the target. It is much better to lead an enemy pursuer into the path of a wingman.

[@macsmith2013]

"There's my guy now, he's got half his wing shot off, he's got one turbine now, he's dead." Out of the fight maybe, but far from dead. We've seen A-10s limping back to base in far worse state than this.

[@wbertie2604]

Yes, you can probably trim it out.

[@man-o-war1685]

Literally the tank of the sky. Slow but powerful. Easy to spot but hard to kill.

[@hardrockuniversity7283]

I think the best bet for the A-10 would be to extend past the merge and then an Immelman to get back to head to head with some room. From there, the superior armor might make the difference. Don't turn, just keep extending and coming back head to head until you get lucky. NEVER try to beat the Mosquito in a turn fight.

[@jamesscott6917]

I would disagree. The best bet is for the A-10, an attack aircraft, to withdraw until fighters came in and dealt with the opposing fighter. The A-10’s gun points DOWNWARD and getting a solution to use the gun is exceedingly unlikely. It doesn’t have the computer for air-to-air interception which is why they tried putting sidewinders on them. Even that is for an “UH OH” moment. It’s more for pilot reassurance than any hope of success.

[@hardrockuniversity7283]

@@jamesscott6917 I agree. However, the scenario was provided by fiat and that was the best solution I could think of given the initial conditions. :-)

[@jamesscott6917]

@@hardrockuniversity7283 I understand. Weird things happen in combat. An A-10 got credit for an aerial kill by dropping a laser guided bomb on a low flying Mi-8 and an EF-111 got credit for a kill by maneuvering so severely that his pursuer crashed into the ground. But this is a little out there.

[@hardrockuniversity7283]

@@jamesscott6917 Nothing makes people as innovative as fighting for their lives.

[@AllTradesGeorge]

Well...since the Mosquito beat the A-10, and the P-47 beat the A-10, sounds like it's time for Mosquito vs Jug...

[@mrlodwick]

Feeling unwell atm Cap, you always help thank you!

[@soppdrake]

Wonderful roar as the mossies fly past on 1st merge!

[@neodragon1988]

Hardly putting the A-10 in a good light in this video. The jet was majorly handicapped. Didnt play to any of the strengths and advantages a more modern plane would have in a fight. The speed and flight ceiling and greater range.

[@thebritishengineer8027]

It was not so much about gun size on the Mossie, but the ammo load out. As a kid I talked for hours with an "old boy" in the local model shop, a Mosquito armourer in WW2. If I remember, he said the Hispano's were loaded with AP, incendiary, hard-shot/tracer and hard shot.. With their tight shot grouping and 4 guns they were indeed lethal.

[@childofconvienience]

Meh why is the a10 not extending further? Extend, gain altitude, then and only then when you got enough separation and energy advantage you turn around, and not when the enemy is close enough to get these kind of shots off.... Its the same story as biplanes vs monoplanes. If you turn fight them you lose, but if you extend away and use your goddamn power then they are easy pickings. I am kind of disappointed in the a10 pilots abilities....

[@emmata98]

like our human mosquito of the second round said later. And therefore it got to AI vs Humans, witch ended in Humans winning. Like said, the skill gap is to big.

[@charlietheunicorn5383]

Perhaps you could do a ground attack mission with both aircraft, see how they do? ;) RC is a good sport. That is truly a good wingman everyone needs in their life.

[@charliealpha11f3b2]

As a former Hawg driver, I absolutely CRINGE when the nose gets more than 30 degrees above or below the horizon. The jet does not like the vertical; we used to BFM using the 'tilted hockey puck' technique. You get your nose buried and your rate decreases and radius increases dramatically. Same for going high. If I had to fight a WWII fighter, I would fight them the same way a Viper or Eagle fights us...attack from on high with slashing attacks, continually extending and then repositioning to optimize the fight on our terms. As good as our rate and radius was at corner velocity in comparison to other jets, we don't have the energy to maintain it for long and then the WWII fighter could potentially out turn us. The GAU-8 was good out to 9,000' slant range, so I would have hosed a bunch of bullets out in front of the Mosquito and then disengaged. By the way, the steady tone is max performing the A-10, whereas the chopped tone indicates AOA closer to stall; to max perform you maintain the steady tone and just 'tickle' the chopped tone now and again to get the nose where you need it. Glad you guys were having fun with it, but in the 'real world' the Mosquito wouldn't stand a chance.

[@stephenfowler4115]

The 7.7 mg would have a hard time damaging an A-10.

[@wbertie2604]

The NF versions after the NF. II pretty much (maybe all - I have several books on the Mosquito but I'd need to check) dispensed with the 303s as they were only good for blinding the pilot... They'd have been better in the FB.VI putting in two 50s for use against aircraft, but I suppose 303s had a value in ground attack. The RAF could never get enough 50s, though, and lots of 303 armed planes (e.g. British bombers) they wanted to put 50s and 20mm cannon on.

[@bradevans7935]

Yes, but those 4 x 20mm are going to tear up any airframe they hit.

[@slammerf16]

@@wbertie2604 the. 303 were removed from the nose to make space for the radar.

[@wbertie2604]

@@slammerf16 both reasons are true. The space was needed for later radar versions which weren't based on antennae, but also for glare reasons from feedback on the NF. II which did have the 303s. Or rather, the first NF. IIs had the 303s - on later photos of them you often see that they've been removed despite the same radar style being in use.

[@slammerf16]

@@wbertie2604 interesting, didn't know that!

[@christopherlyon4201]

Hey Cap!! Love this channel, imagine having DCS when we were kids! Even better, we have DCS now !!!!

[@UkDave3856]

Playing DCS in VR is pretty much how I hoped flight sims would be back when I first played Night Flight on the Dragon 32 back in the very early 1980s. It took longer than I thought it would to get here, but I’m glad we got there in the end 👍

[@grimreapers]

lol yes agree.

[@zsavage1820]

@@UkDave3856 I remember flying this on my Commodore 64c kzbin.info/www/bejne/q3TImYucpa-Ji6M and now we have stuff like this-->kzbin.info/www/bejne/foebnYiLi7t7fpI

[@DoobyDubNCG]

i cant keep spending money to make meaningless improvements to the graphic quality, when the base game has limitations itself.

[@TheMrReee]

The Mosquito was famous not only for its many variations, but also that it could take a hell of a pounding.

[@samanazimi5087]

Remember that winwing technology is your ultimate hardware solution :) 83

[@notwocdivad]

The original specs for the Mosquito were a top speed of 400 mph or 640 KPH at 24,000ft and a cruising speed of 325 MPH and range of 1500 miles on standard fuel tanks. The 4 x 20mm cannon had a rate of fire of 650 to 700 RPM EACH, Added to that were the 4 x 303 Browning machine guns with a rate of fire of 1,150 RPM EACH! You work out the total rpm flying from the nose!!! It is also reported that in certain instances the Mosquito bomber variand could carry a bigger bomb load further and faster than a B17 ??

[@austinmaxi]

I wonder what the D.H 103 Hornet would be like against the A10. They had 2070hp Merlins and were designed as fighters, had hispano cannon and rockets!

[@frednone]

This would come down to whoever got the first hits in, it would also depend on the set for up the fight. If they start at close range to each other then I'd give it to the Mosquito, unless the A-10 got lucky. If they are in a boom-and-zoom situation, then the A-10 will take it just about everytime. If at anypoint it turns into a turning fight it is a fighter-bomber v. ground attack aircraft. Those useally don't end well for the ground attack aircraft.

[@Decrepit_biker]

Can totally believe that the mossie would shred the A10. 4x20mm high velocity cannon is a mighty wall of lead. Not sure the 4 .303s would do much except to the softest parts of the A10 though. I think RC is putting himself down though. He's a good man on that there stick. He could fly my wing anytime 😊

[@josephking6515]

Damage a singe turbine fan and it's out of balance. With the speed the turbines spin at, it will shake itself to bits so a .303 can cause an escalating damage incident. Just gotta hit the right places.

[@kenhelmers2603]

These are fun! Thanks RC and Cap!

[@DerredmaxTRIAX]

You should try the Doolittle Raid with the Mosquito. Great video, I love it when low tech beats high tech...

[@Brumbieman]

RE the damage the Mozzie causes - it's got 4 x 2mm cannons firing a mix of HE shells and API. A 20mm cannon is still the preferred gun for air-to-air dogfighting today and the RPM rate is offset somewhat by having 4 guns instead of a rotating barrel. Anything more than a 1-2 second burst getting clean hits and the A-10 is fucked. The A-10 was built for survivability in ground attack ops and very few people on the ground have 4 x 20mm cannons in a pod. It survives the .303 rounds of course, but HE 20mm cannon rounds will fuck up anything that is light enough to fly.

[@timblack6422]

It’s a good day, Grim Reapers!

[@lutfullahkarahanli]

Good fight guys. RC you are one good pilot and have much better skills than many dcs players out there, so dont give up that easy. I love you very much RC

[@grimreapers]

xx

[@voradfils]

I would not call AI behavior exactly random across airframes, but certain planes perform much worse than you would expect and others are almost impossible to deal with 1 on 1. I see very little value in using them in a WW2 context. RC may be a target but he's still the better target and most important of all, a nice target.

[@slammerf16]

btw: Air to Air mode then DMS left for the gun snake :D

[@surearrow]

>>--------------------> You cannot have a turning dogfight with the A-10, you have to use the A-10's superior speed by attacking with level, high speed fly-bys on the Mosquito. The same as P-38s against Zeros in WWII.

[@wilfdarr]

Big of RC to admit his skill level is the problem. Decent chap!

[@grimreapers]

agree

[@thebritishengineer8027]

We could silence the Gau fan boyz by putting an A10 against a Mk18 Coastal Mosquito. I doubt even the A10's armour could stop it's 55 round a minute 57mm Anti Tank Gun. Over the Bay of Biscay Commander Tony Philips forcibly removed the engine block from the wing of a JU88 in one hit.

[@wbertie2604]

The Mosquito was designed very much not for dogfighting since it was intended to be a bomber, although in the end it was produced as a fighter and reconnaisance aircraft first.

[@rararnanan7244]

Inaccurate. The Mosquito was conceived as an unarmed bomber, but a night fighter version was ordered already during development and entered service before the bombers. With coastal command Mosquitoes did engage in daytime dogfights and quite successfully so, mostly against JU88s and BF110s, but also against 109s and 190s. It was no Spitfire, but not helpless either.

[@wbertie2604]

​@@rararnanan7244 From Sharp and Bowyer (I'll provide page references if you like, but I believe it's out of print) production was ordered as PR (19), F (57) and B (150) in that order in January 1941. Actual first missions, though, were PR, bomber and fighter in that order. The fighter order reflects some scepticism about the unarmed bomber concept, although not so much that the bulk of the initial orders were bombers. Dogfighting capability was a happy byproduct of the performance required for an unarmed, high-speed bomber, though, not a design requirement. Technically it was the F. II that was ordered first, as long-range and/or night fighter, not the NF. II. Not that you would dogfight in a nightfighter. Indeed, they tried to fit annular gills around the fuselage as a form of deployable airbrake to reduce the chances of ploughing into the back of targets. That never worked, though. The prototypes were completed in the order of bomber, recon, fighter. As always, there are many more details. I can do what I answer them from the books I have. I think two are out of print, so answering questions from them might be useful.

[@wbertie2604]

I should have said ordered not produced as reconnaissance and fighter first - in the end the B. IV made it to squadrons slightly ahead of the F. II. The RAF ordered 19 PR, 57 fighter, 150 bombers to be produced in that order in January 1941.

[@wbertie2604]

@@rararnanan7244 B. IV entered squadron service in October 1941, F. II, December.

[@wbertie2604]

Anyway, the point is it was designed as a bomber, and the potential as a fighter was due to the performance criteria for the fast, unarmed bomber role allowing it to work as a fighter. What always surprised be is that although NF and B versions got engine upgrades, the FB. VI did not once it got to the Merlin 25, just fuel and boost improvements. Putting in a 60 series would have seemed to have been sensible but never happened in the FB series.

[@stuartholden2772]

What about A-6 Intruder vs A10 Warthog (would that be a good Match)...?

[@SpazmodicAndroid]

Like buttering soft bread buns with a chainsaw.

[@wazza33racer]

The Mosquito sure does have a ton of firepower on its nose.........

[@ussenterprisenxo1]

Any chance you guys can do a f14 tomcat vs a f4 phantom. I haven’t really seen anyone attempt that yet

[@grimreapers]

rgr

[@crazyhorse18]

Awesome Video ! 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@tgsgardenmaintenance4627]

The Mosquito is absolutely gorgeous! How about a Skyraider v Typhoon?

[@ThatsMrPencilneck2U]

You sound English. Of course, you underestimate the Jug! During WWII the English thought they could outmaneuver the P-e7 with the Wooden Wonder! A Mosquito pilot challenged my father's squadron commander to dogfight. They took the lead rounds out of the guns, so the gun camera would work, without blowing the other fellow out of the sky. The Thunderbolt came back with a lot of pretty pictures of a twin engine, with RAF markings.

[@vanguard9067]

“Reality or functionality” would be a more memorable tag line. Getting really picky, I know.

[@vanguard9067]

Distance of thrust from the centerline also affects turn initiation. Mosquito has the advantage here

[@robd8577]

The idea that because some parts of the A10 are armoured it should be immune to 20mm cannon shells in the engines.....

[@thomasroth4695]

Why cant they get a thrust number for the Mosq. Motor (hp)+ Prop( 3-4-5-6- blade paddle ect with stall speed and mach speed at edge of prop )how much will it pull? Surprised its not a known

[@grimreapers]

Someone will know, im not smart enough though.

[@bumponalog7164]

You should watch Gregs airplanes and automobiles. He talks about the thrust vs hp relationship.

[@jeromewagschal9485]

I've heard stories in Vietnam where an American pilot flying a turboprop plane ( I can't remember the model ) was attacked by a Mig-15 or maybe 17 and a dogfight took place and in spite of the Mig's superior speed and ceiling he was able to shoot it down...So the Mosquito vs the A-10 might not be far-fetched especially with the Mosquito winning... It's just that the A-10 can take a LOT of punishment...

[@williamhirschi3334]

The History Channel show “Dogfights” did a computer simulation of this. Four A-1 Skyraiders were bounced by a pair of MiG-17s. The Skyraiders headed for the deck as the MiGs fired missiles, all of which missed. The Skyraider flight broke into pairs. One of the MiG pilots got frustrated because the two A-1s he was chasing kept out-turning him. He broke off and climbed out of the fight. That freed up one pair of Skyraiders to go to the aid of the other pair, which had the second MiG on their six. The Skyraiders fired their cannons at the MiG at a 90° deflection. They didn’t hit him, but as one of the Skyraider pilots said, “we got his attention.” The MiG broke off the chase and turned into the second pair of A-1s, and made the poor choice of trying to engage in a head-on pass. This put the MiG at a disadvantage, as he was splitting his fire between two aircraft, while both Skyraiders could concentrate their fire on the MiG. Their cannons ripped into the MiG, likely killing the pilot and turning the aircraft into a fireball, which passed between the two Skyraiders before crashing into the jungle. It was the first gun kill in the air war over Vietnam, and the only time in that war (as far as I know) that a prop-driven airplane shot down a jet. Both Skyraider pilots were credited with the kill.

[@jeromewagschal9485]

@@williamhirschi3334 Thanks for your detailed explanation of what happened on that day 🙂🙂

[@williamhirschi3334]

@@jeromewagschal9485 You’re welcome. Here’s a link to the episode in question; the Skyraider vs. MiG battle is the first segment. kzbin.info/www/bejne/iqSpZ2WCpZWmg68

[@stevenshellhammer4803]

I love the channel but in my opinion it would be nice to have a lot more action as far as the videos are concerned and a lot less play-by-play. No disrespect but getting right into the brass tax is more relevant I believe.

[@klander4]

This looks amazing, but meh. A real A10 pilot would just climb away every time. 6000ish feet per minute rate of climb for T-bolt vs 700ish for the skeeter. But you guys are a blast.

[@zsavage1820]

I know the A10 is a flying tank... but the The Mosquito VI's 20mm cannon came with 2 different rounds HEF-I and SAP-I shells and it's basically an anti aircraft gun on an aircraft...lol the Hispano Mk.II cannon in this game in MHO is fairy accurate but the gun it's self was not that accurate in a plane .. but just a couple of it's fused rounds would obliterate most aircraft, if you could hit them..

[@davidturner6995]

Yes , but what you fail to realise is that the pilot in the mosquito is British , fighting for his country .He has a neatly clipped moustache , drinks beer , smokes and wears a sheepskin flying jacket and is totally cool .It also has the sexiest engines on the planet ever RR Merlins .

[@cassius_eu5970]

Can you do some 1v1 vs the most extreme AI vids? With both you and the AI flying the same planes.

[@grimreapers]

Problem is I HATE the DCS AI, it's so predictable and unsatisfying to fight/beat.

[@cassius_eu5970]

@@grimreapers Ahh ok, I didn't know that. :D

[@jedironin380]

Interesting video, it was fun to watch.

[@nndorconnetnz]

I heard it was about 1HP per static lbs. Thats static, engine bolted to the ground. Edit, stand corrected. Thrust horsepower of jet engines and rockets is equal to the thrust in pounds force times the speed of the vehicle in miles per hour divided by 375 (which is equal to one horsepower measured in mile-pounds per hour) In other words, not easy. With jet engines, you get more power as you move forward as greater speeds for a start. Rockets dunno, but it's about accelerating gas at a given speed regardless of movement forward.

[@smokeonthewater5287]

yes that's why jet engines (especially the early ones) were horrible if you let the plane slow down. But then again, nose down and you reach max thrust in a few seconds.

[@beadnut]

Dude!!! Why are you shooting up the strip? 😁

[@grimreapers]

oops

[@man-o-war1685]

How did the A-10 maintain control for that long without I’ve half a wing

[@RobbyQuarantined]

Can someone get RC a zanny bar? Dude Is way too intense! RC…you need to calm down bro 😎

[@grimreapers]

agree

[@Davivd2]

It's interesting to see the Mosquito dogfight. It's my understanding that if they were engaged by German fighters that they would just crank the throttle and run. The only air to air operations that I am aware of involve Mosquito's hovering around German airfields waiting for the Germans to run out of fuel. Once the Germans would try to land their aircraft the Mosquito's would strafe them on approach. I think that the reasoning behind not directly engaging in dogfights had to do with the wooden air frames being thought of as too delicate. But I have to wonder, just how many hits could an aluminum aircraft withstand? Is it really that much of a difference? I would imagine that taking any hits in any kind of aircraft during WW2 is probably going to lead to a crash or an ejection. The ones that limped an injured bird back to base are probably the rare exception, and not the norm.

[@ghostviggen]

Mosquito, my favorite WW2 airplane. Now recreate the Stockholm Express without killing Niels Bohr.

[@wbertie2604]

Is this like Schroedinger's cat with Bohr standing in for the cat and the bomb bay of a Mossie for a box?

[@angelarch5352]

The 20mm Hispano should eat up any jet. Looks fine to me.

[@josiahrickens4556]

Cap an all wood plane vs a titanium bathtub around the gun air to ground attack us air plane

[@stuartholden2772]

One Question "GR" I'm just wondering if you can plug in the pilot skills for example The Red Barron skill set to form The (AI) Pilot in the other aircraft so you verse equivalent Historical Aces to Dogfight against is that possible....?

[@grimreapers]

You can turn them up to ACE, but they are still pretty rubbish.

[@rotary7372]

I think people underestimating the effect of a lot of lead hitting even an A-10. The A-10 isn't solid titanium. machine gun bullets can penetrate the skin and do a lot of small damage to the internals.

[@bumponalog7164]

I would imagine the A-10s armor would be primarily placed on the underside and around the pilot. Machine gun and cannon fire to the topside of the wings and fuselage would probably be highly undesirable.

[@Darkhorse393]

Will the Avro Arrow come to DCS?

[@grimreapers]

doubt it :(

[@gerrynightingale9045]

*Warthog says 'Stop it that tickles!' while being hit w/20mm rounds...as-if it could actually happen with an archaic wooden airplane that would explode in an instant from the merest 'touch'* ___________ *Nice attempt at generating 'Clicks' though*

[@slammerf16]

Neither plane would survive a decent burst from the other. You don't believe that the whole of an A10 is armoured like the cockpit, do you?

[@gerrynightingale9045]

@@slammerf16 *I believe you are 'making aversions' to stay off the absurd idea of matching a wooden antique airplane that was useful as a 'gun platform' during it's time* __________ *YES...all the major components of a 'Warthog' ARE ARMORED such as control mechanisms/engine mounts/critical flight surfaces/as well as the engines themselves and the entirety of the cockpit including a 'Quartz' canopy 'grown in a lab'* __________ *I know what I see on here on 'YT' w/a 'Hog' so heavily damaged from battle it looked like a 'cheese grater' and a 'colander' with wings so heavily damaged I don't know how they still worked somehow* *Even if every particle of advanced systems damaged or shut-down the weapons on-board will still work manually, especially the rotary cannon* _________ *The 'A-10' can and has survived DIRECT FIRE FROM HEAVY WEAPONS and still 'came home' with a live unhurt pilot*

[@slammerf16]

@@gerrynightingale9045 I've no idea what "making aversions" means. I think you need to remember that no aircraft is bullet proof, and the planes that come back with holes in them didn't get hits in vital places. A-10s HAVE been shot down by ground fire, 7 in fact. Nothing is invincible and 4x20mm cannon make a pretty good hole, even if they're from WW2. IS mosquito vs A10 a realistic match? Of course not. But it's a fun experiment and that's why GR did it.

[@gerrynightingale9045]

@@slammerf16 *You don't or will not comprehend written English?* *Then why write anything to me* *Of course any aircraft can be destroyed...the question in issue is 'Could a 'Mosquito' shoot-down an 'A-10?' and the answer is it's extremely unlikely* *In fact such an absurd scenario will never occur in the real world* ___________ *The question of 'Armor' becomes too subtle for you to understand where the 'A-10' is concerned...you're not understanding how 'stress & load' areas reinforce each other despite having been penetrated* ___________ *Save your 'Rant' for someone else*

[@slammerf16]

@@gerrynightingale9045 I'm not the one ranting in bold... I think maybe it's time for your medication. As for the durability of an A10, state your sources.

[@lixgaming8818]

Will the F15EX come to dcs?

[@emmata98]

make it and it will ;)

[@arandomredarmykomrade9529]

hm found a bug in youtube, says this vid only has 1 view (me) and one like (also me) but i see all the comments here as well so i don't get it

[@rmp5s]

Yea, to be fair...8 friggin guns, FOUR of which being 20mm CANNONS...that's going to REALLY wreck some shit. A-10 included. That's a TON of firepower.

[@CrackCrackCracker]

I was watching the video this morning and my 4 year old son came over as he enjoys watching these videos. First thing he asked was "Which is the bad man daddy?" then he remarked "Well, they better not shoot anyone cause it could hurt and they could lose and eye."

[@grimreapers]

awwwwww cuty xxxx

[@michaelwplde]

I saw this match up and I thought, this might actually be a halfway decent match up... so A-10C turns like a b-tch, Mosquito turns lime an em effer. Could be interesting.

[@darrellhartanto4428]

It all comes down to whoever has the better turn rate due to the fact that both aircraft have similar speeds and energy levels, Mosquito has a better turn rate so it won. This battle would be so much different if one aircraft have more energy/speed as they can just do hit and run several times to the slower aircraft. Great video as always!

[@wazza33racer]

Cool demonstration ))

[@markingraham4892]

a 10 was flown badly, it should have went vertical faster. If i had the game installed I would show you.

[@rogerrussell5155]

Flack towers.....hello from the future....ive just seen a video about flack towers in Germany during ww2....is it possible for gr to try to eliminate one using various air to ground aircraft? Have fun if you choose to creat such a mission

[@Kevin-hb7yq]

How well will the Mossie do in the circle of doom?

[@specc_s1452]

gonna do this in War Thunder

[@maxoutput01]

Would love to see the A-10 Warthog vs the A-1 Skyraider

[@JayAR-15]

Correction,A10 is designed For A dog fight aswell

[@TheEvertw]

I disagree that comparing the fights against AI teaches nothing. By comparing the time it took to shoot the AI's down you can definitely tell which plane is better: in the Mosquitos it took you significantly less time to shoot them up than in the A10s, which in my book proves the Mosquito is the better plane for dogfighting.

[@TheEvertw]

Caveat: IF the models in DCS are accurate...

[@gracieteburgo7570]

Hello My name is Victor Graciet's brother and I don't bealive you can destroy an A10 with a mosquito.

[@mixit2413]

I was wandering could you re-enact the last fight in the Fury movie but using an Abrams rather than an easy 8 and see how long the Abrams would last???. Oh and shooting stuff with warbirds is always fun to watch.

[@grimreapers]

cool idea!

[@whiskeytango9769]

The A-10 is not a dogfight craft, it's a ground attack craft.

[@punman5392]

6:40 in his zealous pursuit of a bandit, Cap lights up dozens of civilian bystanders on the ground

[@grimreapers]

They'll be fine...

[@Firealchemist24]

The price of doing DCS science.

[@kieranh2005]

4:01 "or 8mm's BLASPHEMY Those are .303 calibre It's the other side that uses 8mm! (and the British armoured vehicles, but that's not the point)

[@ecbst6]

Forget Sarah Connor, SkyNet is going to come after you first as the bigger threat to AI domination 😁

[@bobbyduke777]

can RC use battle flaps to get a tighter turn on you ?

[@grimreapers]

Does that work?

[@peterbrazier7107]

Mk VI Mosquito: Max speed (with External Loads), 278mph (447 km/h), at sea level, 329mph (529km/h) at 20700 ft (6310m), 378mph at 13200ft (4025m) (clean)

[@grimreapers]

OK 12 mph out. Thanks

[@wbertie2604]

Speeds depend a bit on individual aircraft and fuel quality and allowed boost. If you look at figures for Boscombe Down tests on a particular mark of Mosquito it can vary by anything up to 20mph. Ditto any of the aircraft tested based on the fuel and allowed engine boost. So 378mph is -a- Mosquito, but stick some 150 octane fuel and get the ground crew to play around and you might have got 390mph. Have the wrong exhaust stacks on or an IFF aerial, then maybe not.

[@richtfox]

Who is flying the A10?

[@williamroberts6803]

Actually fyi if the a10 pilots had to dog fight they would practice doing it and be more proficient than the other an win every time.

[@clouddraconian7184]

I think your Ideology for twin engine aircraft is completely wrong. You are matching your engine horsepower while turning which limits the degree of turn you can get. To increase this in a twin engine class you need to feather the inside turn engine which will increase the degree of turn radius. Just drop the inside engine to 75% or 50% as needed to turn.

[@oliabid-price4517]

Now you understand the absolute genius design of the Mossie Cap. Use it more often.

[@grimreapers]

Was genuinely surprised about how good she is.

[@NiIex]

A-10 should win every time but it would make for a long and boring video. Jets don't turn fight against props.

[@jantschierschky3461]

Well the mosquito was specifically designed for dogfighting, speed. As a fighter bomber.

[@wbertie2604]

It was designed as an unarmed bomber, not a fighter-bomber.

[@jantschierschky3461]

@@wbertie2604 was designed for different things, however fighter bomber was one of those.

[@wbertie2604]

@@jantschierschky3461 the Mosquito was designed as an unarmed bomber. The design and use as a night fighter and fighter bomber was at the request of the RAF but not part of the original design criteria. The requirement for a fighter bomber even came after that for the fighter version, F. II. The design was adaptable, but the original design remit was for a fast, unarmed bomber.

[@jantschierschky3461]

@@wbertie2604 well I don't care, btw original design was recon, no bomber. Now bugger off

[@wbertie2604]

@@jantschierschky3461 The original design was for an unarmed bomber, not recon. The first prototype was for the bombers, the second recon. The first mission conducted (19 September 1941) was a recon one, by the second prototype. Bomber service started in October 1941 (I'd have to check Sharp and Bowyer for the exact date) and the first fighter squadron formed in December 1941 at Debden from memory. The history from late 1940 to mid 1941 is one of the RAF changing priorities.

[@williamroberts6803]

Any of this only works if there is only two planes in the whole sky.

[@silntstl]

This is about as realistic as COD is to actual ground combat. Not to be taken seriously.

[@akisakis7980]

Las Vegas fight

[@kimeldiin1930]

Wouldn't the HS129 been a more relevant opponent....?

[@grimreapers]

agree

[@Tom55data]

Try with a Mk 18 : tsetse.....

[@robd8577]

Great to see this fight between two completely obsolete airframes.

[@bescotdude9121]

REMATCH IDEA cap vs Cortana

[@jimmyjohnjames6397]

Why?! What did Cap do? Did he punch your puppy or something?!?!

[@wbertie2604]

I'll have £10 on Kortana, please.

[@grimreapers]

I'll also take £10 on Kortana.

[@bescotdude9121]

@@jimmyjohnjames6397 Cortana is one of the grim reapers best warbird pilots and cap because cap is basically the leader and spokesperson for the grim reapers