REMATCH Could A-10 Warthogs Have Stopped The 1941 WWII Pearl Harbor Attack? (Naval 47b) | DCS

[@comis03]

What would be the best planes to go against the Japanese mustangs?

[@grimreapers]

These: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJ3LdaNqj52Bppo

[@comis03]

@@grimreapers I guess you are right! I saw that amazingly put together and entertaining video but I was thinking about matching them in a dogfight. I see your point however... having a Higher Speed and Height is better overall.

[@soupfork2105]

American Zeroes.

[@trolleriffic]

@@comis03 You don't want to dogfight a plane that's good at dogfighting. You want to play to your own strengths, not those of your enemy so speed, altitude, long range weapons and a general strategy of booms and zoom would be the way to go. Even better if you conduct the attack at night and/or in bad weather where the advantage of modern combat jets would be even bigger. Best option would probably be a Super Hornet for sheer number of missiles carried - 12 AMRAAMs and a pair of Sidewinders, but limited to aircraft in DCS you'd use the standard Hornet which I think can take 8 ARMAAMs and 2 AIM-9s.

[@comis03]

@@trolleriffic but if you had to dogfight an "America zero" which plane would you choose to dogfight against it?

[@fat_biker]

Suggestion: Once you've killed all the carriers, all the A10s should immediately jettison bombs & turn towards Pearl harbour & run flat out to chase down the bombers, because the bombers should be easier to catch & kill. & once you are back over Pearl Harbour, you should have friendly AA to help you take down the enemy fighters if they chase you back there... THEN if all the enemy aircraft are down, you have time to land & re-arm to hit the surface fleet at your leisure :-)

[@tamuman93]

Fun idea. Why not?

[@Adierit]

to be honest, as long as they kill all the carriers, its a mission and likely the entire war win for the US. the japanese planes would have nowhere to land, and all those pilots would be lost WAY too far from home to be rescued inside of enemy waters.

[@fat_biker]

@@Adierit Be nice to still have the pacific fleet…

[@gregh7400]

The AA wouldn't be so friendly. The real ones on that day fired on everything in the air without any regard for friendly vs enemy aircraft.

[@grimreapers]

Ah, yup wish I'd thought of that.

[@lucasdcatch]

"And you guys, the valued viewers, asked me to do it with pilots who aren't Sh-t." Dying

[@trolleriffic]

When the Strike Eagle comes out it would be really interesting to see how it does in this scenario. Massive bomb load combined with incredible speed and superb air to air capability.

[@946towguy2]

1 Strike Eagle loaded with 6 nukes and a few AIM-9x

[@tommygilliam8890]

That would be fun to watch for sure

[@washingtonradio]

The Zero had a maximum 'do not exceed' speed of 370 mph and level max speed of 331 mph. The Zeros in real life would have trouble with the speed of an A10.

[@SwiftTrooper5]

And the A-10's turning ability.

[@pogo1140]

@@SwiftTrooper5 No, the Zero could outturn the A-10. the thing lands at 60- 90knots. The A-10 can turn inside 1400ft the Zero can do it in 700-1100ft at 180-250knots. The Zero is rated for 7g-8.8g You don't turn with a zero, ever.

[@DanielFerreira-hz4cc]

@@pogo1140 Unless you are a Martin-Baker MB 5 or a F8F Bearcat

[@pogo1140]

@@DanielFerreira-hz4cc Stall speed on the Bearcat? That determines the minimum speed that the plane can generate a 1 g turn and governs the turn rate at any given speed or altitude. If it stalls at or below 60 knots it can turn with a zero, if it stalls above 90 knots, it's not turning with a zero.

[@DanielFerreira-hz4cc]

@@pogo1140 Stall´s F8F speed is 68knots

[@xXNightSlasherXx]

Could you imagine the terror a Japanese crew would feel hearing a screaming A-10 diving on them?

[@grimreapers]

run!

[@terryboyer1342]

@@grimreapers (Sung to Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer) Warthog the ugly airplane Had a very noisy gun And if you ever heard it You would even turn and run! All of the other airplanes Used to laugh and call him names They never let poor Warthog Play in any Air Force games Then one stormy desert eve Schwartzkopf came to say Warthog with your gun so bright Won't you kill some tanks tonight? Then all the Army soldiers Shouted out with joy and glee! Warthog the ugly airplane You'll go down in history!

[@arjunmadan318]

@@terryboyer1342 straight up banger. Made my day. 10/10.

[@AdsDem0n]

@@terryboyer1342 Brilliant

[@sotiredoflies]

I think the real shock would come from seeing a 2000 lb bomb changing trajectory mid flight the match the evasive maneuvers the fleet would have actually taken.

[@johngould3724]

@ Grim Reapers....On another topic. I would be interested if you could simulate how things might have gone in the Battle of Britain with the RAF being equipped with 1945 generation fighters against the 1939/40 Luftwaffe. No need to change the ratio of defenders to attackers. If nothing else, it would illustrate the advances made in a handful of years. Would enough of the Luftwaffe have got through to create relatively similar levels of damage, would or they have been repulsed (more quickly)?

[@grimreapers]

Cool idea

[@garethonthetube]

RAF would have fighters with cannon armament and shredded the bombers. They would have intercepted much more quickly giving them more time before the attacks made it to the airfields. Not sure if DCS can simulate the different types of armament.

[@draigygoch]

These A10's on here aren't very robust, there is a lot of anecdotal evidence of severe battle damage and they still keep flying, even with a whole engine taken out

[@Nr15121]

Engine and wing taken out

[@NeverlostatBSgaming]

Yes but that’s anecdotal, not empirical, you need to have definitive evidence rather than just stories

[@caffeineaddict213]

@@NeverlostatBSgaming There's photos of severely battle damaged A-10's on airfields, indicating they made it back (and those that didn't were still able to emergency land in the desert) - a simple google search will give you plenty of examples. Just because something is anectodal it doesn't make it false.

[@grimreapers]

I agree they did seem a bit weak.

[@No1sonuk]

Part of it is also giving up too early. e.g. Cap looked like he'd only lost one engine and his electrics. I'd have tried turning on the APU to see what I could get back. It has restored hydraulics and electrics for me before.

[@richardchurchill5181]

You appear to be using A6Ms with late-war performance. Wouldn't the more accurate "Can X stop the Pearl Harbor attack?" scenario use the A6M2a and A6M2b models? These had top speeds of considerably less than the 400 kn I heard mentioned in this video.

[@JWilliamsLangley]

A-10 go BRRRRRRT Zero pilot: "Shaza---wtf ?!?!?!?"

[@DirtyHairy1]

Can you think of a fun and practical way to re-enact the WW2 event where the Grim Reapers saved a lone and damaged US Destroyer being sunk by Kamikazes? See kzbin.info/www/bejne/i6SQcqmriMxsfMU (skip to 8:02 for the Grim Reapers introduction)

[@grimreapers]

thx

[@marmite8959]

Just wanna say I really appreciate the release schedules you guys have, I've had a lot of shit goin on the last few years and my sleeping pattern is fucked but these vids always help me get to sleep within a couple hours hopefully lol Not saying it's boring by any means, I guess it's just relaxing watching virtual shit get boom boom'd by cap and gang 💜

[@grimreapers]

rgr thx

[@rodneylove7547]

Remember the pilots of the zero did not have compression suits for positive or negative G's in a dive you can pull up quicker where the zeros can't because of the suit!

[@pogo1140]

BTW, sidewinders work fine against the WW2 prop planes. I was testing out the F-14 vs 190 and 109. Just have to use the at under 2 miles

[@lukemabley6801]

Historical Reenactment video idea: the Dam Busters raid from WW2. I think flying a Lancaster (or other heavy bomber) at night at 60 feet would be very challenging.

[@yjwrangler7819]

I'd like this too, but without Lancs its a no go for me

[@thedungeondelver]

Back in the days of the C64 there was an amazing flight sim that let you do just that. Exclusively! It was called The Dam busters, from Accolade. You could do like 3 training missions...and then the actual mission itself! Not a huge amt. of replayability :D

[@grimreapers]

Will try

[@CormacMacCormac]

I would think just a single modern missile cruiser could take on the entire carrier group. Cruise anti-ship missiles can sink a ship with a single hit, and the anti-aircraft capabilities of a missile cruiser are frightening.

[@andyf4292]

Kirov, 1 granit per ship in the fleet, then home for borscht and crumpets

[@lazyman7505]

That might be true for modern tincan ships (although even that is questionable considering what happened during latest Sinkex - it took quite an effort to sink a single destroyer), but it's absolutely wrong for WW2 era ships. Even if we focus only on carriers, we can use Yorktown as an example which survived multiple hits from 1000 pound bombs. Actual damage caused by modern missile is grossly overestimated. The main difference is their ability to hit, not their damage.

[@kurtkatie1830]

Just curious. Did you ever do a video where they Americans knew they were coming and fought the battle with what was available then?

[@timothybayliss6680]

Oh, so like the American intelligence acted on information to protect american lives instead of instigating a maritime conflict in the pacific?

[@jack-o-ren1781]

@@timothybayliss6680 lol

[@powerbite92]

@@timothybayliss6680 Next you'll be informing the people in office blocks from Omaha to Manhattan what the US Govt is mocking up for them.

[@JWilliamsLangley]

Interesting question. Given that the second wave took significant casualties from AAA...hmmm. I'm an armchair historian but don't think there was ever an engagement where the airpower of both sides was "even" but both sides had substantial surface capability. Or even say the U.S. carriers were unable to catch up while Battleship Row steamed out with escorts. I mean the U.S. would need land air for recce to find and close but how many IJN planes would be lost against that armada loaded and at battle stations.

[@SecularFelinist]

Some hoity-toity military wargamers did just this scenario, with all aircraft scrambled, all ships aweigh, fully crewed... and it was an even bigger disaster. We were utterly outclassed in every way - Japan had better technology, flawless intel, superior training, and years of combat experience. The US losses in the war game were almost total - the way the real attack played out was the best case scenario for the Navy.

[@hotironaircraftshop]

When fighting a Zero, keep your airspeed well above 275 MPH and turn hard. If A Zero tries to turn with you at that speed, it's ailerons will disintegrate (fabric and no hydraulic assist). Variants available in late 1941 had a Vne (Never exceed speed) of 320 knots or 370MPH. Just about any P-51D variant will outclimb a 1941 vintage Zero by nearly 200 feet per minute.

[@thomasohanlon1060]

As he said, "they were re-skinned P-51s" and had one well past there flight speed. But they can only work with the parameters of the games program. Well done gentlemen, well done.

[@nocount7517]

Another trick some pilots employed when fighting Zeros is they heard something about the Zero being able to turn right better than left. It actually worked. Hellcat pilots would also use the climb-and-stall maneuvers against Zeros, because the pilots probably couldn't tell the F6F and F4F apart.

[@hotironaircraftshop]

@@thomasohanlon1060 What's involved, in man-hours, with creating a model for the Zero or other WWII era fighter?

[@edtrine8692]

The A-10 had roughly a 100 mph speed advantage over the zero and about 10,000 feet of ceiling!

[@skybattler2624]

Zeroes are not in DCS. They use Mustangs as standin in here.

[@davidcorreia3901]

@@skybattler2624 which makes the whole video shite.

[@pogo1140]

The a6m2-21 used at pearl had issues fighting above 250 knots. It's combat speed envelope was between 150 and 225 knots it has to do with the full span ailerons.

[@grimreapers]

Sadly plane over-modelled in game.

[@pogo1140]

@@grimreapers Hopefully ED will come out with a proper A6M if only so the Corsair and Thunderbolts will have something to fight against over the Marianas.

[@colinknoller1025]

CAP, I have a quick question. Did I hear you correctly that you twisted and broke your winwing flight stick? What ever happened seems from the conversation that it's happened before. I'm currently in the market for a quality stick and throttle and was seriously considering the WinWing. Your thoughts on them.

[@grimreapers]

Not broken, there is a twist fastening about have way up the extension. Every few weeks it tends to come loose and then the stick spins. Just need to re-tighten it.

[@grimreapers]

It's the only pro stick I've had but I've got no complaints.

[@siegmundwaelsung2217]

1941 Zeros with the performance of Mustangs? Run the simulation with Zeros with their 1941 performance. Also, make sure the Japanese heavy anti aircraft guns are visually directed and shooting shells with simple time fuses. The effectiveness of the IJN anti aircraft fire in the scenario seems more consistent with late war USN radar directed guns firing shells with VT proximity fuses.

[@thecactusman17]

This would be a bigger issue if the attacking allied force wasn't using cold war doomsday tech to approach, attack and abscond with effective near impunity.

[@NeuroDeviant421]

I think the A10 is a lot more survivable than portrayed here. Armored fighters of that era would take multiple hits to take down. Some opposing fighters would empty their guns into fighters like the P47 Thunderbolt and still fail to kill them. The A10 was named as an homage to the P47, given the quality of it's armor and therefore it's survivability.

[@dreamweaver6816]

Hey, Has anyone done a battle with a Modern 2-Carrier Battle group ( 2 CVC; 4 BB (Iowa-Class) 12 Cruisers, 18 Frigates, 32 Destroyers) Vs the IJN Fleet Combined Fleet and the 1st and 2nd Air Fleet of the Naval Service at the Battle of Leyte Gulf?

[@grimreapers]

Not yet

[@dreamweaver6816]

@@grimreapers I would like that to be a project. Or that same projection force during the Battle of either Saipan or Okinawa, whne the Kamikaze attacks were at their height.

[@exidy-yt]

So many of these older vids are still just so friggin' entertaining! Glad you gave this a second go with the A-10s, I was sure the last failure was just for the exact reason you re-ran this for, more people. (and people who could aim. 😉 )

[@gh8447]

"The server's beginning to die" or "Something's not right there" - heard on _every_ GR simulation.

[@grimreapers]

yup

[@FalcoGer]

You get a gun funnel in A/A mode. Press and hold the master mode button.

[@grimreapers]

I hate that funnel.

[@FalcoGer]

@@grimreapers Still better than only the boresight cross. And you still get that in A/A mode.

[@toxicwarcat7739]

Just to be clear Zero's never actually could go 450knots its cos of the p51D model they are using since the 51 had a steel clipped wing design with a massive 1500hp inline engine it can dive to 450 knots though quite dangerous it was possible for the 51 the zero's however could barely pass 600kph which is around 380mph and would definitely break apart due to the wooden rounded wings designed for high stress turning and maneuverability not for speed but they did have a strong radial engine with high torque numbers that could pull the plane in a climb quite impressively

[@skatterpro]

Punctuation - use it

[@cousinjack2841]

@@skatterpro Like the hyphen; but where's your full stop? :)

[@chrismoule7242]

@@cousinjack2841 starting a clause after a semicolon with a conjunction? [Just kidding - I do it all the time - but if we are being pedantic here...]

[@skatterpro]

@@cousinjack2841 The difference is that with brevity and without anything following the statement, the full stop serves no purpose other than for the sake of being correct.

[@cousinjack2841]

@@skatterpro It was merely a light hearted quip, but you are quite right, with 'other than for the sake of being correct' being the point.

[@kenhelmers2603]

I agree Cap, these are fun!

[@Pete-pp3zx]

The Japanese carriers would not be able to launch any planes after the first inbound plane was detected. the ships would have begun to maneuver and in doing so would have prevented any launching. The attack force would have faced less than half of the Zeros that you presented in the simulation. The Zero's response would be to follow any plane, so a dive and then a pull out would have brought the Zeros down to wave hopping and it would have taken a LONG time to regain their CAP. (Thats what we did at Midway). The A-10's would have reached attack height faster. The Zeros also tended to attack singularly not in swarms. Their code was 1-on-1 fighting and as they came to Angels 20, they would have been easy to kill. The Zero (A6M3) prior to Midway, had a weaker engine and a shorter wingspan than those built later. Their Max speed at Angels 19 was below 390mph and was not sustainable for very long. Normal at that altitude was about 80% power, so a lot slower and at that altitude, combat power overheated the engine quickly.

[@IAmTheAce5]

I'd like to see you guys take on Rodan somehow- A-10s, F-35s, AC-130 gunships, to the Rodan them. That would be a riot!

[@cmibm6022]

Nice video! Have you ever thought of using the fire extinguisher - it lights up nicely when your engine is on fire.

[@TheDgdimick]

Nice job, was fun to watch

[@bradedwards3438]

Is it odd to say I could watch 50 more of these? The reason is simple really, the scale of the attacking force was, in WWII, sooo much greater than any modern counter. You could bring in cruise missiles, B-1's, Backfires, a Russian CG, whatever. Short of nukes, the modern armaments, while significantly more effective, are nowhere near the sheet volume or scale of hundreds of fighters with dozens of ships. Keep up the entertaining videos, and thank you for the effort!

[@VandalIO]

Do this with super Tucanos please

[@steve390gold]

I like that idea

[@DesuPlan]

couldn't u set the laze code on each of your bombs separately to that of each of your wing men, then all laze one target each and get bombs on all the carriers all in a single pass or maybe two provided you all fly formation

[@grimreapers]

Should work

[@keith4960]

Anyone else think Cap sounds just like Gen. Hux? Can't unhear it.

[@unpaintedleadsyndrome]

You're still stuck inbriefing, but I'm going ahead and tell you... you're doing it wrong! Hit them... at night!

[@Anarchy_420]

Nice work! Cool Vid!👍

[@No1sonuk]

Should have tried your APU, Cap. Sometimes it can give you your displays and weapon control back. In the outside view, it also looked like you still had one engine working. And if you'd put the HUD in air-air mode, you'd get the "gun funnel" to make shooting easier (if you'd selected gun arm, rather than gun/PAC, that might also have helped).

[@grimreapers]

thx

[@sotiredoflies]

The Japanese were not dependent upon radar this early inthe war. They relied on a CAP for early warning. So you should have been able to each get a bomb away at altitude before any efectve defense. It would be interesting to see how a laser guided bomb could adjust to the curlyque maneuvers the fleet would implement once they saw bombs dropped.

[@1SaG]

I love The Final Countdown as much as the next guy and I could live with late war Zeros instead of early war ones - although we're talking about the A6M5 being out of date by over 2 years for the PH-attack. What I find extremely problematic however is the use of P-51D Mustangs in place of 1941 vintage A6M2 Zeros. That's like putting 109 K-4s or 190 Doras instead of 109 E-3s and E-4s into a Battle of Britain scenario. Or nearly as ludicrous as putting an F-16 into a Korean War scenario to represent an F-86 Sabre . Not only would the real Zeros have a really hard time with their armament against the Hogs (slow ROF 20mm cannons with pretty awful ballistics and a short clip), they'd be way slower in level flight and would struggle way more in the climb and certainly in the dive than a Pony.

[@aazanahmed8325]

I feel honoured to be a part of the valued viewer family, wishing the reapers a prosperous year.

[@grimreapers]

thxx

[@saintuk70]

Cap finally understands and masters the art of SW quotes ;)

[@grimreapers]

lol

[@joshuaglaude1549]

Many reasons I live the A-10. Very versatile. It's definitely a closer air support plane though. In this situation it would have to have fighter exits to help with the enemy fighters. Not only does it have an impressive payload capability, It was designed to fly, and land with only one engine, and 1 and a partial wing. As long as manual controls were still available. That's why the wheels are partially visible from the fuselage, the wheels took the landing instead of the belly.

[@trolleriffic]

Loads of planes can fly with an engine out - it's standard for all twin engine airliners so it's not an unusual capability. Problem with the A-10 is that it's no good in contested airspace so unless you've already cleared the skies with something else, you can't use A-10s or AC-130s without losing a lot of them.

[@davidshafer1872]

Enemy targets should from now on be labeled "spotted dick".

[@marcoeland3405]

You know you have an air to air mode for that HUD? :D hold the mode selector button. The F/A-10 (totally CAP-capable :P) can also carry up to 4 AIM-9 :P They aren't that heavy but can log on a WW2 fighter, at least in DCS ^^

[@No1sonuk]

Agree on HUD mode. Cap said at the beginning that they were leaving AIM-9s off due to the possibility of friendly fire - A-10s being hotter than Zeros...

[@grimreapers]

I don;t like that AA gun funnel. I prefer just the gun cross, although I admit my shooting was terrible.

[@Lawiah0]

Standard Oil, founder John Rockefeller Standard Oil of New York (SONY) ... Pearl Harbor, as the story goes, had the Imperial Japanese Navy departing their home waters of Tankan Bay on 26 November 1941 at 0900. Japans attack on Pearl Harbor was supposed to be a surprise military strike against the United States naval base at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii. The attack led to the United States' entry into World War II. Coincidentally, the 19th Bombardment Group, of the U.S. Army Air Forces were operating 12 Boeing B-17 Flying Fortresses, over Pearl Harbor during the time the Japanese were supposed to be attacking Pearl Harbor.

[@roysikes9755]

The A-10 bombers must have a sort plan. This should have been set in the mission briefing. I would have thought that the A-10s would have established a basic sort plan based on their attack axis. Something like matching carriers to attackers in left to right, near to far sort plan would have prevented putting multiple weapons on the same target. Also, an interesting attack plan of employing "a wall" of A-10s instead of a pre-merge split the attack forces to begin their attacks on different vectors. Good video, one last thing to think about is that the USN Wildcats fought in pairs and used the "Thatch Weave" when they realized that their Wildcata were overmatched by the Zekes. Mutual support is a good thing. PS when you switched P-51's for A-6M's, do the new "A-6M" have the firepower of the Mustang or Zeke? Would have made a difference.

[@blahblah14u]

Way to Go Simba! Just need some Starfighters as fighters

[@cnlbenmc]

17:35 Well Late War WWII era Naval AAA anyways; Japanese gun batteries in early 40s was particularly lackluster.

[@blademaster2390]

Funny thing…these were early 40s. Pearl Harbor was bombed in 1942, and if this was just a wing of A-10s gone back in time to 1942, this was early 40s Japanese AA batteries

[@kevinmelia1469]

I find that sometimes I forget to hit the like button? Cap it wouldn’t hurt to remind people! Cheers mate

[@TheGauztape]

Takes away sidewinders... "I actually have nothing to yell at you guys about for once"

[@grimreapers]

The boys couldn't be trusted with missiles...

[@colinblick4903]

Heinz knoch….in “I flew for the furher” Said to escape the enemy he would go into a corkscrew climb….. might be worth trying😝💪🏼

[@lionheartx-ray4135]

Well im glad you guys gave a second chances since you have had more stick time with the aircraft.

[@edherlik6816]

Sorry guys but I've said this before: you have no idea how to dogfight in the Hog. For example, when Mike has multiple planes on his tail, order him to 'point.' That means you and he turn to pass each other head on. Then you each take the other's attackers head on. You lost Mike while he was running across your path and you had to cover far more distance. You're not using the Hog's advantages, like a 2 mile gun range. The rest? You'll have to figure it out the hard way.

[@michaeloppenheimer2582]

Looks like you boys are having a lot of fun !!!

[@ryanpayne7707]

Hey Cap, There was a program in WWII called Project Aphroditie. It basically involved converting worn out B-17s into drones, packing them with high explosives, and flying them into hardened targets such as U-boat pens. IRL, a skeleton crew would take off in the B-17 drone and climb to altitude above friendly territory. They'd then arm the explosives, transfer control to a mothership B-17, and bail out. Due to the technology of the time, the mothership had to be relatively close to the drone in order for the drone to be controlled. So, could you control a "B-17" (read: C-130 with MOAB) from another aircraft to accurately hit a target- without getting too far away and while being shot at? (Using the exterior view of a mothership "B-17" to control it.)

[@grimreapers]

Wow! amazing

[@andrewlayton9760]

You were fighting the A6M5. The variant in service at the time of Pearl Harbor was the A6M2 (Type 0, model 21). The "Never exceed Speed" for that aircraft is 370 mph. The wings would have come off a good number of them.

[@donaldstanker9692]

Very successful taking out the fleet

[@K4STELLAN]

When you get an Fly up your rear, gonna have a bad time xD

[@KSLAMB-uz4it]

The Japanese did not have radar and relied on scout planes and submarines . They may not have seen anyone above 20,000 ft.

[@budwilliams6590]

With the A10 all you have to do is strafe below the water line with the gun! But to stop the attack you have to hit before they launch.

[@MrJames_1]

We will never give up!!! 🇯🇵

[@Sara-L]

Simple math. The carriers sunk, fleet has no air defenses and planes in the air are left to run out of fuel. Fleet turns back.

[@maxcaysey2844]

Lets see some Iowas in action!

[@monty3971]

When I hear one of the pilots, all I can picture is a gold fish in a bowl (American Dad)!!! 🤣🤣 But great vid guys as always 👍👍👍

[@louferrao2044]

I love the sound of the A-10.

[@trogdordog04smith95]

4 fans of FREEDOM!!!

[@anthonyb5279]

A6m Zero is NOT a P-51!!!!! The Zero could not maneuver above 200kts as it suffered from control lockup at that speed. Below 200kts it was extremely maneuverable so you just boom and zoom it and it can't touch you. This is why we won the war in the Pacific, they never got to develop fighters contemporary to the F-4U, P38, F-6f or P-51 in any numbers to be effective.

[@warbuzzard7167]

I don't think the creators of the Zero model had anything but the P-51 flight model to give to the airplane. So the model is just a skin, not a mathematical model of the Zero with all of its 1930s aeronautics.

[@anthonyb5279]

@@warbuzzard7167 I know thats my point the the P-51 is no analog for a zero. The zero can't do half of what people think it could do. NO way it could best an A-10 at 400mph.

[@thedungeondelver]

Why not take at least 1 A10 festooned with Sidewinders and only sidewinders as a CAP bird?

[@bibleortraditions]

Another classic for the Valued Viewers!

[@erikerice9068]

If they thought it was easy, then why didn't they do it already. It's just that damned hard to do. You guys have done your best. I'm certainly not complaining. Cheers mates 🥂

[@TiramisuCorleone]

Valid viewer request: What is the purpose of deploying countermeasures on the right or left side only, when you are in a helicopter?

[@grimreapers]

I thought is was always both sides at same time?

[@joeluebbers5474]

In the face valued viewers! Great display and very entertaining! I can say if we ever go to war in the Metaverse, the Grim Reapers would take care of biz!

[@fredkruse9444]

Two words for the A10s: Thach weave. Two more words: Lufberry circle.

[@ameliamorgan2402]

Can you imagine all those planes sent out to attack Pearl Harbor and not have a friendly carrier to land back onto? Haha

[@Yokoboy045]

Use the AC130J GHOSTRIDER and A10s

[@sotiredoflies]

Are you able to program the ships to take evasive actions like combat cameras recorded in ww2? It also looks like the ships are also too close to one another.

[@danielramsey1959]

Got your asses handed to you by 80 year old aircraft!

[@steve390gold]

Not even close to a realistic sim. The hogs would be dropping ordinance from 40k + feet, likely at night too. Further the zeros in this were modeled after 1945 P51s which the zeros never came close to the performance of that air craft. Lastly the AA was not that good as shown in the sim. But DCS forces this onto them so they don't have much of a choice

[@timblack6422]

Well done

[@timagin6419]

Additionally the first aircraft off the carrier would have been the slower bombers and torpedo aircraft with the fighters coming up later to catch up before reaching the target.

[@timagin6419]

You always launch as if all the attacking planes were Zeros. Only 79 launched against Pearl Harbor with the rest of the attacking fleet being Kate's and Vals. They would have been on deck loaded with bombs and torpedoes for the actual attack with the Zeros primarily providing air cover.

[@Jan-hx9rw]

How about a squadron of BUFFs with JDAMs taking out the IJN at Pearl Harbor, Coral Sea, Midway, and Surigao Strait?

[@1ItsReal]

I mean using the P-51 model kind of defeats the purpose right?

[@grimreapers]

yes BUT closest we have in game.

[@KeyboardWarrior101st]

The fighter A-10's should have held a lower altitude than the bombers and shot the Zeroes as they were climbing instead of waiting for them at 20k feet. Hope all is well Cap.

[@alexnaturalis1179]

Can you explain a little more on how a single of these bombs can take out an imperial carrier?

[@No1sonuk]

2000lb bombs hitting from that high would easily penetrate the deck and explode inside. At the battle of Midway, Soryu was sunk by 3 x 1000lb bombs, Hiryu by 4 x 1000lb, Akagi 2 x 1000lb and Kaga 1 x 1000lb and 3 x 500lb.

[@KittyRaewyn]

You know the A10 has a air to air gunsite/funnel right? hold down the master mode button....

[@francescoboselli6033]

Everyone gangsta with this theoretical scenarios, of modern USA equipment against JIN ships; until a time warp/ space portal or whatever was that bring modern equipment, happened in our world, and a 2070 Arasaka corporation tactical carrier group come out. Full equip with 7th generation stealth aircraft, Mach 11 cruise missile and laser AA. Indeed a Modern USA carrier group against a 2070 Arasaka corporation carrier group would be interesting to recreate in DCS 🤔😂

[@ericfredrickson5517]

How about a B-52, or B-1B loaded with GBU-57s, and AGM-158Cs? Also, you need an AWACS.

[@mikesmith-wk7vy]

sidewinders might have been worth it. in the beginning , a couple of dozen fighters are all alone heading to attack a few of y'all while waiting for them to climb to your bombers could have gotten behind those zeros and lit them up with missiles while in formation to avoid friendly fire

[@grimreapers]

rgr

[@ericfitzgerald4686]

What about 1ea B-52 loaded with ship killers and air to air? Or 2ea Lancers with similar loadouts? F-35's or F-22's?

[@gotafarmyet4691]

You should assign a carrier for each first drop so that way 4 would fire at 4 different ones,

[@grimreapers]

Yeh should have done that.

[@doublebackagain4311]

Yes then they could chase down the bombers on their way to Pearl. I think you could do it w/ 1/2 as many A10's.

[@demomanchaos]

How much do youthink it would take for a modern US flight to be able to take out the attackers before they they could do much damage?

[@grimreapers]

We did try it. In theory maybe 40? The reality is it's REALLY hard. Radars get swamped and becomes impossible to operate.

[@paulheitkemper1559]

run it again, but talk to each other to make sure you don't go against the same target when it's not needed.

[@DavidFMayerPhD]

A-10s are NOT dogfighters. They are NOT for naval engagements. For that purpose, the reigning champion is the F-15 which can fly at more than FOUR TIMES the speed of a Zero. Load a few F-15s with a maximum number of sidewinders, and it is all over for their opponents. Also, F-15s can carry huge guided bombs payloads at altitudes that the Japanese aircraft and anti-aircraft-artillery simply cannot reach, and drop these bombs with great precision on any surface target.

[@steve390gold]

The a10 can operate and bomb from 45000 feet as well. The zeros would never make it up that high

[@DavidFMayerPhD]

@@steve390gold Good point. The people who made the video are NOT using the full power of the weapons.

[@steve390gold]

@@DavidFMayerPhD if im not mistaken I believe the simulator they are using (DCS?) wont allow them to drop ordinance from any higher than 20k feet? Could you imagine 2 arclights up there at 40k+ feet? LoL totally shooting fish in a barrel

[@DavidFMayerPhD]

@@steve390gold That is why USA spent BILLIONS of dollars making aircraft fly so high and fast that they are VERY difficult to shoot down. What would a WW2 fighter do against a modern jet moving Mach 2.5 at 60,000 feet? NOTHING.

[@elmartillo7931]

WW2 American carrier strike group including battleships versus modern carrier strike groups... And go!

[@victoriaregina8344]

Wow that's real original. You deserve the admiral obvious award.

[@cjamesmock2023]

What about tricking them going down to the surface and then going back up to 20,000

[@FenrisSulfr]

Klingon forcefield? Star wars? Geller field on an imperial battle barge in the service of the God Emprah!!

[@bigcountry5045]

we need Dan flying the gun ship putting boom boom on the carriers !!!