A £2000 Alfa Romeo GTV CUP cant be that bad can It?

filmed this one a while ago and held off publishing it until now. Unfortunately the customers job became insecure so hes held off repairing it until that's resolved. car should be back with me for repair in the future so here's a video of what i found wrong with it.
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[@maticsajovic3142]

Its worth both the work and money, it a modern classic.

[@chrisrichmond403]

Poor old girl 😢 I remember Cup 43 when she was brand new at Portbury Docks Nr Bristol . I drove her to compound X It’s a shame she has got like that but glad she has not made the great Alfa land in the sky .

[@jla1875]

shame on the guys that destroyed it!

[@ryanm.3681]

How on earth can someone neglect a car so badly in only 63k miles? what a shame

[@alexshepherd]

Head gaskets are fine. If there was a combustion gas leak, the blue colour of the test fluid would change to a lighter green much more quickly than that (I’ve seen it), plus of course the cooling system would be pressurising like crazy. If there was a leak from the oil system, the oil in the sump would be an emulsified light-brown cream. The brown oily residue in the coolant is caused by a previous mix of red and green/blue type antifreezes. FIAT’s long life red coolant (Paraflu Up) was probably the original fill on this car, but someone has changed it to the other type (colours can vary, it’s the type that matters). The OAT additives precipitate out of the solution in an oily mess, which is diluting your blue dye solution somewhat but has also messed up the expansion tank. Give the cooling system a flush with lots of water and a cleaning agent, then replace the expansion tank and fill with a modern longlife coolant… it will be fine

[@ahmadfawzilafi]

Bravo. Now i know my Spider 916 2.0 T.S. is as good as new. Thanks for the great vids

[@leesmith6750]

You don't half take on some basket cases. But cudos to you for taking on these projects and bringing them back from the brink, hopefully. Should make for some great content. I'll be looking out for the next installment.

[@fatwalletboy2]

after that chat yesterday its opened my eyes as to whats out there for bargain money if you know how to sort the issues that others cant be bothered with......reminder set !

[@ItaliaAutos]

yeah lots and lots to choose from.

[@adamjow8405]

This is definitely a car worth saving. Great looks and guaranteed future classic.

[@ItaliaAutos]

Definitely!

[@ChopsGarage]

This is great example of what I say when people ring up us and say I'm looking at a cheap Alfa. Always say the same thing, no such thing you either pay more for a spot on car or pay less upfront but the same getting it to that standard.

[@philstaples8122]

Too right

[@greengrass9572]

No sure what you mean, any 19 year old car can be in that state, not just an Alfa.

[@Gentleman...Driver]

This is true for any historic car of course. Applies on BMWs and all other manufacturers. Cars with a good condition have a certain value for a reason.

[@TheFlyingBusman]

Quite a rare thing. Been some time since I was last in one. Some decent trimmers in your neck of the woods, I’d let them loose on the drivers seat. Worth putting a bit of cash and TLC into this one.

[@bmw-e30]

A troublesome car and customer with no money is a bad combination.

[@italianduded1161]

Such a beautiful car 👍 Absolutely love it.

[@williamegler8771]

Such a unique and beautiful car. Shocking and kinda sad to see how badly it has deteriorated in only 63k miles!

[@philstaples8122]

leave them out in the sun, especially a red one and the UV will do that. Mine had done over 100k and although red it was only starting to develop a little peel in a few places but it was usually in a garage when not used either during the day at work or when not used at the weekend. Nice cars though, just about enough space for food shopping in the boot and you could always use the rear seats for soft luggage or transporting dwarfs, surprising good on fuel when not in city traffic and once you got used to the under steer you could get a wiggle on around country roads while listening to that really great engine. It's a shame they didn't sell the rights to develop and build the engine to Cosworth once they stopped making them.

[@peterbrownless]

It's not the miles. Clearly this car has spent it's life exposed to the weather and the old rust has gotten hold. It's 19 years young, so the factory underseal has long gone. Red paint of this age on any car looks terrible - unless kept out of the sun!

[@Avito_yt]

cant wait to see you work on an alfa gtr and fiat 350z like the ones in your intro credits :D

[@ItaliaAutos]

Lol

[@herridge819]

Potentially a nice car but obviously in need of considerable expenditure first. I look forward to seeing progress if work is authorised.

[@davidstuart4915]

surprisingly rust free which is a bonus considering the mechanical bill -- I shall have to get my TS BTV over to you next year for an appraisal - rear qrt panels have rusted through at bottom and inner sills, I am told are bad...then there is an engine rebuild, clutch etc + re bushing, dampers, springs, brakes... paintwork good - engine bay immaculate before lay up - mains were rattling and i think belt jumped.. If i ever do it, quite fancy a n ITB conversion for the sound and to simplify the engine bay - probably go the used bike TB route :) - if i ever have the spare money, would really like the previously mentioned 20V turbo Fiat conversion...or 350z engine would be interesting.....then for lottery win...TVR engine and a RWD conversion?! - My 916 is silver with good red Momo leather interior and feels very special :)

[@TheSeeka]

Seriously, who lets a car get in this state?! Hope to see it fully restored!

[@demodansoundwavemusic9677]

sad to see this beauty so neglected, the owner (owners) need some stern words said. id never let my alfa get like that. thanks for another great vid

[@Gentleman...Driver]

I am wondering what the preowners did to the car to look like that. Ambadoning on a field? I mean, no car of mine looked like that, even if it was unrestored for 30years+.

[@NikolaRakicDjesPoslaMala]

Old stuff dies in the hands of fools

[@hectorae86]

Such a gorgeous machine

[@ItaliaAutos]

I love it!

[@davecroden9793]

Cracking video - this car looks like it’s been ignored for quite some while.

[@ItaliaAutos]

it has.

[@philstaples8122]

I'd say an Alfa with the V6 Buso engine is about the best bang for your buck you can get and has been for quite a few years although you will need to spend a few quid keeping it on the road as the suspension can be a bit fragile on the terrible UK roads and you won't get the best mpg but you will get a lot of smiles per gallon :)

[@_RicksGarage]

Can a head gasket be repaired on these engines without the need for a full rebuild due to it having wet liners? I’ve heard mixed opinions on this subject.

[@TommyRogic18]

Glad to hear it will be saved Neil, they are beautiful cars. Must be 10k for a good one now surely, not seen one in the wild for years and never outside of a show. Would be great if this turned into a series 😁. Hope the Barchetta is going OK too, love those.

[@peterbrownless]

10K - and the rest if immaculate! Fully mechanically sorted, rust treat and all the cosmetics done - 15K is achievable.

[@doraexplora9046]

Tell you the truth. I never see them ever. I rarely see a 159 and never a 156. Occasionally a convertible, only because I live on the beach. You need to be really into them to keep them going as the parts are VERY expensive and rare to get. It's getting to the point of reengineering parts like the ABS units etc.

[@doraexplora9046]

@@peterbrownless are we talking pounds right?

[@sm70911]

Lovely car, wiki says only 420 made so very rare car, it must be saved. Deserves coil overs and suspension update refresh

[@peterbrownless]

155 examples were made for the UK. All red 3 litre.

[@maartenyzer4121]

do you put on ml or tectyl after such a job on the bottom?

[@mexistratman1]

Looking forward to this one! I imagine it can be very bad for that price though 😅

[@ItaliaAutos]

let me know what you think once you have watched it.

[@mexistratman1]

Italia Autos a shame that you couldn’t get started. The car is a bit better than I expected, thought the underneath would look like your Punto GT 😅

[@doraexplora9046]

I just can't bare to watch English cars and what they go through to get to that state. A good thing living in Australia is the cars stay in mint condition for years. My Alfa 156 is 20years old but it looks like its only few years old. No rust, perfect paint and an underbody you could eat your breakfast off! I've never done anything special to it. It's just the climate and roads.

[@chrispekel5709]

Red paint peels like crazy here! The sun gets it in Australia

[@doraexplora9046]

@@chrispekel5709 Yes. I'm Australian in Sydney.. and YES my car is RED and YES it went pink, so I had to respray it. But mechanically and body wise it's perfect. But the English cars have to have rust surgery in places we don't have places!

[@chrispekel5709]

@@doraexplora9046 Absolutely! You comment was correct, but I was just pointing out that claiming paint stays in good condition in Australia doesn't hold up for many colors like red (it's the worst for fade and peeling IMO). You're right about rust issues, it really screws the cars up there

[@doraexplora9046]

@@chrispekel5709 I saw an absolute beautiful Honda 2000 convertible and it had immacualte original paint. How? It was stored everyday in a lockup garage. We all know if you want your car to stay immaculate you have to keep it in storage.

[@chrispekel5709]

@@doraexplora9046 of course, but you said that it is climate and roads that cause cars to age badly. I understand what you mean now

[@adrianflower3230]

Great review of the potential problems, Neil. What suggestions would you have for a first Alfa, given a budget of around £5k? Open minded when it comes to size and shape of car, just the best opportunity for a good Alfa experience. Thanks.

[@ItaliaAutos]

purely depends on your needs.

[@rezaq1]

I went to see two Cups, the one I regret was a 1 owner example for sale in Hertfordshire; the Cambelt snapped on his drive way and he offered me the car for £1100....I said no. I did buy a V6, a late 2003 Aero kit in silver with blue leather and only 38k miles. Now I think back, I cannot believe how utterly mint and low mileage it was. Sold for £3500, wish I’d kept it!

[@JULIAN8845]

get a real alfa with chain drive instead of a fiat fart can with elastic band

[@nemanjaisakovic8469]

What do you think about the v6 turbo for the gtv

[@fatwalletboy2]

needs a big spend then but could be a future gem given the low mileage.....

[@marcbrasse747]

Interesting one. It seems savable but not an easy job. Is it only the head gasket? I recently had to swap the engine block in my Citroën XM Turbo CT when it still leaked after a complete head gasket job. So that points towards a head or engine block leak (It's a somewhat thermically challenged iron block / alu head hybrid). Back to this one: Otherwise it only seems sensible to do if the underside is also liberaly wirebrushed and rustproved to slow the rot down. Why go through all the other trouble otherwise? :-)

[@lorenzorapazzini2475]

This is a grat car!

[@f1lmm]

If the bill is less than 5k it’s a bargain !! Look at SZ’s they are 35k plus, so it’s a cheap Busso classic if you can buy a cheap Busso these days, get it done 👍🏼

[@155stw]

Tell him do the HG first and belts, then use it first until he gets more funds.

[@subframe6939]

Hi i would like to fit a catch can to my 159 2.4 after the intake is cleaned, was wondering what "can" you would recommend and if you would do a video on it?

[@ItaliaAutos]

Philip Horsenail I’ve never fitted one to it but it would be easy. Best to ask on some Facebook pages for someone whose done it,

[@Pianoguy32]

this car needs the full works and a respray !

[@ItaliaAutos]

it sure does.

[@alancampbell1008]

Gorgeous car. If I had my brave pants on I'd buy one tomorrow 😂

[@peterbrownless]

You don't need brave pants. I've had one as my Sunday driver for 13 years now. Routine maintenance is all she's ever needed.

[@megatron6245]

I own Alfa 😆 to be honest i love my Alfa so much but you must spend on it , cheap to buy but keep it on top its little bit expensive 👍

[@alphatrion100]

@@peterbrownless they are kinda ancient now

[@delahayenator]

Well, this one needs some budget and time. Once all fixed you will have a good reliable coupe. But there are better ones for sale, and not expensive at all, maybe cheaper than reparing this one. The Cup version was a limited series though. But any 3.0 24v is nice, and like Peter says, it just needs routine maintenance, nothing special.

[@splatthecat55]

I would be interested in the car, if your customer gives up. Let me know in this section. It's a car I've always wanted. I've got a 2.0 TS at the moment. Along with a CLS 320 and an Audi TT 3.2. But I'd love a cup !

[@Freelandrew]

How can you ruin the seat in 60000 miles?

[@Vonstroke]

Was it parked in the sea? Flippin’ hell.

[@mikeysan4]

On the GTVs, how would you compare the 2.0L V6 TB to the 3.0L V6 in terms of reliability? Would you advise against the 2.0L?

[@ItaliaAutos]

Sorry never worked on a 2.0 v6 they never came out in the UK only a very few imports here.

[@rogerdickinson6944]

What is the fluid test that you used for the head gasket? Why can't you do a compression test?

[@ItaliaAutos]

sniffer test.

[@Snuzyyful]

Interesting waiting for the part 2. Can you give me an advice in looking to change shoks on my 159 sedan i was wondering what you think over Bilstein b6 or b8?

[@jackhutch8584]

I've just ordered new shocks and springs for my 159. I've gone with b4s and eibach springs. I know you're interested in the b6/bus which are a bit harsher but i can let you know what mines like when it's all fitted if you want.

[@Snuzyyful]

Yes it will be good information thank you

[@therushden]

if you like messing about with cars, that's a nice little project. if you're paying a guy to sort it, that's a money pit.

[@sportshighlights8708]

How would u check intake hose for cracks (when I let of gas it starts jerking, so my conclusion was crack in intake hose)?

[@ItaliaAutos]

Take it off and have a look :-)

[@sportshighlights8708]

@@ItaliaAutos On one side it has metal clamp that is able to be screwed off, on the other side its weird, i cant even unscrew it, its just kinda stuck together..

[@thisnthat4318]

What would you recommend out of the V6 range if I’m looking for something to use at the weekend, The GT The GTV The Brera?

[@ItaliaAutos]

Gtv or gt. I'm not a fan of the brera.

[@thisnthat4318]

Italia Autos thanks 👍🏻 I was also looking at getting another Fiat Coupe 20vt but I think I want that V6 sound from the wizard exhaust

[@NikolaRakicDjesPoslaMala]

@@thisnthat4318 id like to swap Fiats i5 turbo into my GT one day 😂

[@foxxster3565]

I think that odometer has been wound backed or replaced. 64,000 miles, sure add 100,000 .

[@TheAlfaNut]

What a shame to see her in this state. She’s in good hands now though mate 👍🏻 Tempted to make the owner an offer?? 😉

[@ItaliaAutos]

hopefully its back with me in a few months to fix up

[@thefreedomguyuk]

No matter what expense, it's an investment which with time will pay off. It's an icon now, in 50 years it may well be the only left, and worth big bucks.

[@ItaliaAutos]

maybe

[@AdamAus85]

When you say little jacks, do you mean the one Alfa supplies with the car? I thought that one would be fine, if you use it properly.

[@ItaliaAutos]

No i mean trolly jacks

[@peterbrownless]

@Patrick Kiely You have to be careful... very careful. So so easy to bend the steel. :(

[@xr500t]

Yeah, I've overpaid too:(

[@matejzagar1986]

Somebody did this car injustice by not treating her properly :(

[@vassallo49]

Costa molto smontare il V6 e mandarlo in officina rettifica. Devo dire che è stata tenuta male e con molta ruggine nel sotto scocca.

[@marcblancgarage2821]

E' un rottame, da vendere a pezzi. Non conviene ripararla perche' i costi superano il prezzo di una gia' pronta. Per essere in quello stato avra' almeno 200000km, e' distrutta!

[@ianedmonds9191]

What the hell did the owner do to that car? It's ruined. I've never seen a worse one.

[@desmondknox]

60k odd mileage and a top end alfa who left it like that ! 5K to fix or more surely. Still worth it but money pit now.

[@danieleciolli6434]

Ciao Sono italiano e ti seguo,devo dirti che sono molto soddisfatto che un Inglese abbia più passione di un italiano per alcune Alfa che purtroppo da quando fú acquistata da Gruppo fiat gli tolse la sua vera anima che faceva dell'Alfa Romeo la passione di tutti gli alfisti cioè la trazione posteriore, questa GTV che tu stai rimettendo apposto insieme ad altre di quel tempo in Italia nessun blogger di auto o appassionati di Alfa Romeo gli ha mai dedicato una virgola e solo perché? Non è ben tarata cioè tra anteriore e il posteriore dicono che i pesi sono distribuiti troppo male,ma quando uscì tutti la comprarono e in Italia la benzina in quei tempi già era troppo alle stelle wuindit tanta gente tranne chi poteva permetterselo si faceva quel grandissimo V6 3.2 litri chiamato busso cioè l'inventore dei V6 alfa e ora che abbia rifatto quel mostro V6 2.9 biturbo costruito insieme a Ferrari , e rimesso traziiy posteriore la gente cosa fâ di compra lo Stelvio con lo stesso MOTORE il 510 o poche versioni fatte da 520 Cavalli almeno sono contento che un imglese apprezzi anche questa alfa GTV che per molti italiani non vale niente per la trazione anteriore, però focus RS audi se non modelli 4 trazione integrale quelle e la Focus che ora pure noi chiamiamo non più in italiano ma in inglese le cosiddette hout theec scusa la pronuncia nn ricordo bene come si scrive in poche parole noi le chiamavano una due volumi cioè auto senza coda dietro cioè berline, dicevo qui non capisco il perché è la meno testata da Tanti blogger italiani che fanno video di auto classiche e cavallate cioè con una media che parte almeno da 250 hp in poi . Quando basta essere come te e magari migliorare le sue così dette pecche o cose che all'uscita del modello erano stati trovati difetti incorreggibili quando invece anche il primo modello di audi tt le richiamarono tutte in fabbrica perché si erano accorti che si cappottava facilmente ,loro allora misero e gratis s TUTTI gli acquirenti quello spoiler posteriore che è bastato per togliere il difetto e fu in Italia una delle coupé più vendute anche di una Mercedes classe c coupé. Noi invece quella GTV grazie alla Fiat che pensa solo a loro a fare soldi da quando non c'è più quel grande signore che ci teneva , ai clienti avvocato Gianni Agnelli che portò ugualmente Ferrari a continuare ad essere Ferrari di , Enzo senza stravolgere troppo il marchio Almeno perr me più amato al mondo come da voi Aston Martin che io e secondo me è un'altro grandissimo marchio in tutto il mondo ,anche Lotus che a me fa davvero impazzire infatti ho una Elise diciamo quella oltre più potente di HP e gli ho fatto fare una carenatura non esagerata uguale idedica a quelle che sono e corrono in pista con spoiler posteriore e marmitte tutte cambiate e dritte senza quasi silenziatori è la 190 e ora è diventata circa 260 ho ,Il Grande Coolin Chapman ciao

[@ItaliaAutos]

thanks for the comment.

[@Beebee-qk4qh]

Sai che non si capisce niente di questo discorso che hai fatto... Lasciando stare come hai scritto in un Italiano veramente incomprensibile... Spero che tu sia straniero, come vuoi che ti capisca un Inglese se scrivi in questa maniera... A parte questo la gtv 916 per il momento è ancora un auto molto sottovaluta in Italia... Infatti è molto più apprezzata all'estero, la chiamano la piccola Ferrari...

[@micromymario23]

​@@Beebee-qk4qh Anche io la penso come te, anni fa volevo cambiarla (quando ti davano 1000 euro se andava bene) poi decisi di riverniciarla,una rinfrescatina del colore originale perchè botte non ne aveva, sistemarla piano piano e farla ASI....ora è quì accanto a me, bella come quando la comprai e non al venderò di certo anche se i prezzi dell'usato rispetto a 5 anni fa (che non ti davano nulla) sono almeno triplicati....le turbo e i 3000 costano molto.

[@flanners41]

What a heap....don't get the love or premium for the Cup....especially in that state.

[@ItaliaAutos]

Well it's back in the workshop.

[@andrewseamaster]

Surely it's not worth the heartache? You think it will feel good but after spending all the cash you end up with a disappointing car to drive that's not desirable to the vast majority. it isn't worth anything going forward and is more of a pain to get bits for and insure than something worth more.

[@JULIAN8845]

once met a lad walking past a white mint 164gold cloverleaf. I told him to keep an eye on the cam belt.he said it had just been done.he showed it me running it was rocking and clacking with lots of pulley end float. I told him the metal clacking is that you have at least one snapped valve clacking on top of piston so head off time.shame it had no rust on the car.my 126 merc had alumin block with no wet liners it was etched.had 13 alfa's when they were pre fiat fart cans

[@tristamrossi46]

Do you drive an Alfa?

[@aaronhajzyk]

Drive one he owns numerous Alfa’s

[@PC-iv5so]

I'm having a hard time thinking this car has only 63k miles? Broken odo? Otherwise this car was run very poorly.? Like no coolant no oil change... ever.? never had a 916 gtv.. but I've had properly maintained 12v Bussos run 100k+ and not nearly this bad?? The head gasket and pan gasket.. my eyes...my eyes.

[@psk5746]

Never heard of a GTV Cup ... ?

[@stephenbrookes7268]

If this was a dog, the RSPCA, would be taking it away. How could anyone treat a cup so badly?

[@rezaq1]

That engine must be 2 litres over filled. Who on earth does that? Especially with an Alfa?

[@lami150sx]

Mileage is bogus with that sort of damage to seats surely

[@ItaliaAutos]

its genuine just had a very hard life.

[@notroll1279]

If you have a rather heavy driver who makes a habit of letting himself fall onto the seat shoulder and then slide into seating position, a seat will look just like this after a few years. I believe a car reflects the people that used it - and this car will have an idiot's breath for the rest of its life. I prefer paying more for a car that's in good nick in the first place and I wouldn't touch this one with a bargepole.

[@Ghostneocz]

im always wondering how are cars in UK so freaking cheap, for 2K we can get only some shitty 2.0 TS which is right before death.

[@TABRO284]

Well a good used cup would be over £10,000. That one is not in great shape.

[@leegwillim1208]

Is that WAD WOLVERHAMPTON

[@ItaliaAutos]

No.

[@huwd2292]

How bad must a car be to deteriorate that much in 19 years and 60k Miles. And what had the owner been doing inside it? Revolting.

[@micromymario23]

I have had it for 22 years, it has always been outside and it is certainly not in those conditions .... I only had the outside repainted because it had lost its brilliance, GTVs do not rust easily. The one you see in the video in my opinion was in the middle of the earth or mud ... but right in the bathroom. :-)

[@lord7739]

Not very good shape for such low milage.

[@stevenmcgovern7845]

That's a dog lol RUN from that money pit!!!!!

[@sayerma]

I'm always disgusted by what people do to their own cars, that they've paid good money for, in terms of care and wear. It's not fucking hard to not destroy your own car throughout its life with you, regardless of what it is. How on earth do the seats get like that? Get a vacuum out you lazy c---. Get those broken knobs and fittings replaced, takes half a day mucking around on something you've been utilising overall for thousands of days. Pathetic

[@christineayres5339]

Scrap it as its not worth 2 grand sadly