A Beacon in the Galaxy to Message ET w/ Dr. Jonathan Jiang, Kristen Fahy, and Stuart Taylor

[@EventHorizonShow]

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[@thermalrain_yt9725]

I just started this so idk about the dark forest yet but what if we are in the dark universes. Opposite of us is a light filled universe and the stars in that place are dark and cast shadows where it's always light and hot. Like opposite of us stars cool off the planet enough for life to start. Theyd have dark speed and white holes and everything is the opposite. That's what dark Forrest made me think of just now

[@Talosity]

The classic though of “hyper Tec” (meaning hyper space technology) should be considered over the romanticism of any random message in a bottle casted out into the cosmic sea in the form of a probe with too much information.

[@simonklein4687]

We might be. Perhaps the berserker probes don't go after mere biosignatures, perhaps they wait for a technosignature of a certain level to engage. After all, we only commit genocide against ants when they become a nuisance. Untill they do, we watch them, we study them, but we do not try to communicate with them.

[@yoredeerleader]

Listening to this, with its multiple speakers, and thinking of the years of long form interviews you have conducted, it makes me think you could create compilations of different interviews on an individual question you’ve asked multiple interviewees. I personally would find that interesting.

[@jeschinstad]

@Event Horizon: can you please ask your guests to use a wired connection to their router if possible, to reduce dropouts?

[@rapomnam]

I'm in the camp of people that think announcing ourselves could be risky. Much as Sagan said "Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known" my thought is "Somewhere, something terrifying is waiting to be known"

[@theobserver9131]

I fully agree. We have no idea what they might be like. It could be the worst choice we ever made. It could also be the best choice we ever made, but we won't know that unless we actually reach someone and they respond. I think it's reckless.

[@Stroke2Handed]

I think of the unnoticed colony of ants, thriving and multiplying for a couple years, until a couple of them are noticed in the kitchen. At the moment of discovery, the fate of the entire colony is sealed.

[@nickreffner4574]

@@theobserver9131 I agree. It’s almost like playing Russian Roulette for great riches on a telescope. Well, except we have no idea how many cylinders or bullets there is.

[@rickzor2700]

Do you believe we have been visited in the past 80 years?

[@Snaaaked]

Yeah but what ab awesome way to die. Would you rather just live another boring 40 something years working 9-5 and dying with a bunch of useless medical ailment or get enslaved by extraterrestrial ai bots the breed you like farm animals and put Lazer dick shocking punishment and have you doing manual labor in a bio dome in Jupiter's moons

[@adge610220]

The great filter: Civilisations that broadcast their location don't survive. Stay quiet in the Dark Forest because it is full of predators.

[@AndrewBlucher]

Exactly

[@channelbree]

If some alien civ could throw rocks or lasers at Earth or even travel here and are within reasonable distance to do it they already know all about Earth.

[@adge610220]

@@channelbree Yes, I wouldn't be surprised if we are being observed and I'm sure most civilisations will be benign or neutral, I want to err on the side of caution.

[@AndrewBlucher]

@@channelbree I wonder how many "intelligent" species have been exterminated because they thought that way. We know that we don't know what 80% of the Universe is made of, so we clearly cannot know enough to bet our knowledge against extinction.

[@tuomasronnberg5244]

I think the simplest solution to Fermi paradox is that life is really rare, intelligent life is really really rare, and that technologically advanced intelligent life is really really really rare. We are simply the only space faring race in the observable universe, and while others might exist elsewhere in the universe they're spread so far apart that they just are beyond our capabilities of detecting them.

[@pavel9652]

I wouldn't speculate about observable universe. At best you can speculate about our galaxy. It is up to 400 billions stars, but they are somewhat close and can be observed in reasonable detail unlike most of the galaxies.

[@eddiebrown192]

Now these people have moved into woke virtue signalling . Unbelievable self righteousness …. And they will gamble with all of humanity .

[@sunnyvalentino]

Sad Event Horizon promoting woke anti Trump agenda

[@Rcdvst808]

If we can find the other stars which formed alongside the sun by some means then perhaps they would make good targets to direct a signal at. The logic being that some of our sun’s sisters may also have conditions suitable to support life, or even a mature and stable ecosystem like ours that has developed a technological civilisation?

[@EventHorizonShow]

Great points.

[@rJaune]

Yeah, if the creation of life had to do with a certain mix of ingredients, our sibling stars could be the best place to look for life. Or, at least life like us.

[@MrTD714]

Question are we just looking in tge wrong part of space its massive beyond most comprehension and why do we focus more outside of our galaxy than our on shouldn't we try to cover and search closer that further away also if we are looking back in time how do we know these things are still there realistically if earth is preset time and everything we look at were looking back are we saying we are the only ones that are in the now

[@nutyyyy]

Exactly this is one of the big questions with life because you can have the Earth being uniquely favourable for life, or the solar system being uniquely favourable for life, or the sun and its siblings being uniquely set up for life. I also wonder whether anywhere in the depths of the galaxy a habitable world has been seeded with ancient earth microbes and if one day we detect a planet with a biosphere and don't ever realise that the life on that planet is actually related to earth life.

[@illustriouschin]

If we send a message that presents us as a threat or contradiction to their dogma then spending the energy to stamp us out would be cheaper than waiting for us to get them first or letting the poisonous ideas spread.

[@danielsmit11]

I'd assume since it's unlikely they'd ever be able to translate one message sent in any earth language we'd be sending a message of prime numbers and mathematical equations.

[@danielsmit11]

But then after listening to the episode they stated their mathematics may not be based on 10's so.......so much for that idea lol

[@HellCatt0770]

@@danielsmit11 the hunter doesn’t need to understand the bear. Just the bears existence in the forest is a threat.

[@danielsmit11]

@@HellCatt0770 but the vast majority of mankind doesn't purposefully go out to the forests to annihilate the entire population of bears either and in this case you're talking about having to expend massive amounts of valuable energy to travel dozens to thousands of light-years to accomplish a task that isn't even affecting you

[@trollking202]

No

[@kenmolloy1645]

Perhaps the people in this podcast didn’t read the “Three Body Problem”, but it was explained that the masters of the Dark Forest are interested in eliminating possible competitors before they grow to be a threat.

[@deusexaethera]

The Three Body Problem is just propaganda for the Great Wall of China projected into the future. "Beware the unknown, because it is definitely malicious. Grrr." The "galactic war for diminishing resources" scenario is so implausible due to the slow speed of light that I don't seriously consider it as a legitimate risk. By the time you find out an adjacent galactic empire is doing something you might not appreciate, thousands of years will have passed, and thousands more will pass before you can respond. Galactic war is simply not a thing that will ever happen. Even across billions of years, response times of millennia are inconveniently slow for a necessarily fast-paced event such as a war. Wars will always remain localized events because of this.

[@stab74]

I really need to read that. But yeah, I'd rather not announce our presence to a species they may be similar to the Borg from Star Trek. 🤣

[@indigoeyes777]

Great book, not only does the book describe the dark forest, but Cixin Lui also provides an excellant analysis as to why this could be true, via Ye Wenjie's axioms of 'cosmic sociology'.

[@nutyyyy]

Well they've certainly been waiting quite a while to finish off the Earth then...

[@anderslarsen4412]

@@nutyyyy They'd have to know about us first, before they'd be able to eliminate us. That's the whole point.

[@theobserver9131]

Personally, I think it's a crime to be sending messages out to extraterrestrials. We have no idea what they may be like. And the results could affect everyone. So everyone should in on the decision whether or not to do it.

[@tuomasronnberg5244]

We've been broadcasting our presence for over a century by now.

[@theobserver9131]

@@tuomasronnberg5244 with a very weak signal that dissipates to the point of being noise before it goes far. These people are talking about sending powerful concentrated signals that would reach much much further, and aiming those signals at likely homes for extra terrestrials.

[@theobserver9131]

@@tuomasronnberg5244 I know we are already detectable to any one close enough and looking. But we really don't need to be cranking up the volume and waving our arms in the air so to speak.

[@himynameis3664]

@@theobserver9131 yeah there was a graph I seen somewhere that showed roughly how far our broadcast signals have travelled, and it's such a tiny distance on the galactic scale as to be negligible

[@lancecargopants1897]

I'm sorry, but these idiots have to be stopped, no matter what. Imagine the arrogance to decide, for all of us, that humanity's existence should be put on the line.

[@SoApost]

It’s disingenuous to declare the motive of destruction as ‘too human’ but not apply the same standard to the motive of curiosity. In fact, it’s impossible to think of a motive outside the human experience.

[@blueredbrick]

@Bronski Turboski the other way around is even worse

[@RyanSmith-on1hq]

We should be sending warning messages and making it very clear that nothing should visit us. The man and woman should be holding weapons, wearing armour and we should be bluffing about our technological capabilities.

[@nutyyyy]

Right that will definitely stop a relativistic kill missile from just destroying the earth in an instance...

[@gorbachevdhali4952]

Fascinating conversation. One thing I will say, Stuart mentioned something like the klingon empire would be highly unlikely because they'd have killed themselves. I mean really, the answer to that is we just don't know. I'd like to believe a civilization that survives and is space faring would shed its violent way because that produces survivability, it could very well be likely, but we don't know. There could be civilizations who love themselves and peaceful among each other, but consider other races as an inferior afterthought. The point is, it's hubristic to make assumptions about the culture and behaviors of theoretical alien civilizations. There may be some merit in needing to be careful... even if the potential repercussions are thousands of years down the road.

[@sulljoh1]

It's arguable. If ever Klingon gets into an honorable duel to the death 1-2 times/year, the population isn't going to last long

[@auguststavbro]

Frustrating reading all of these comments talking about sending these messages being “too risky” because we don’t know what to expect. Putting aside that Earth has been a biosignature beacon for billions of years, should we also have not developed spacecraft at all for fear of what we may eventually find? Should our ancestors have not built ships or migrated throughout the continents or even left the safety of the trees for the ground because it was less risky? We’re human, we have to take the risk

[@TidalDisruptionEvent]

Fascinating discussion! Hope you have these guests on again sometime. A+

[@MarmaLloyd]

Growing up in the forest this was always my theory. The "Three body problem / Remembrance of Earth's Past" is a horrifying twist and one of my best reads on the topic

[@stricknine6130]

Great discussion I really enjoyed these guests. Thanks for the episode! 😁

[@trumpingtonfanhurst694]

"A positive passion for the future" is not a valid reason for this. I'm with Hawking; shouting your presence to the unknown is foolhardy at best - with all of us potentially at stake. Who would contemplate this but those who care about naught but self-aggrandizement and faux immortality by having their names on it? Go Away.

[@eddiebrown192]

This group come across as very arrogant elitists talking down to the great unwashed masses .

[@bucko9423]

Also with what authority do they reach out into space on the behalf of all mankind? I think you hit the mark with the "self aggrandizement" analysis

[@dominicseanmccann6300]

Hope 'they' gotta record player! "Carl who?"......

[@himynameis3664]

Definitely..in the distant future every living organism in the world could be cursing these narcissist's names for bringing absolute extinction to the entire planet

[@realzachfluke1]

Awesome, I can already sense that this'll be a great one. Thank you, everyone 😃

[@EventHorizonShow]

Thank you Zachary! Live stream for members/patreon’s soon.

[@realzachfluke1]

@@EventHorizonShow I'm so bad about making live events, but I'll try to remind myself this time beforehand and we'll see how it goes (/◡ ‿ ◡)/ And my short, really simple follow-up after having listened to the full episode is...yeah, _I loved it._ *Just so much.* All of the guests were a treat to listen to, I loved all of the questions, and I enjoyed every moment of the show as a whole. So a _huge thank you_ again, to John and everyone else involved in the show & this episode, and I'll just leave it on this one last note. I am beyond grateful for everything that goes into this show, and I just want to make sure you know how much it's appreciated. 🪐🌌☺️🖖🌒🚀

[@JohnMichaelGodier]

@@realzachfluke1 Thanks Zach, this was a particularly fun one to conduct. I was more moderating a discussion than interviewing.

[@steverafferty4114]

Great line up today John, the content just keeps getting better

[@ravensrulzaviation]

Always great to get new content from you John!!!!!!!!

[@intevolver]

Too much about the behavior of alien intelligence is extrapolated from ourselves. I think there is only a very small handful of constants that we can presume and even that's shaky ground; heat that can be controlled to discover metallurgy, maybe water as a biosolvent, access to the planetary surface to discover astronomy, etc. Beyond hypothesizing the basics, we can only guess. The simplest answer to the fermi paradox is time, distance, and rare goldilocks planets.

[@pauloalvesdesouza7911]

This was a major disappointment. The Dark Forest idea is very serious and central to this messaging thing and cannot be treated with the naive approach these people do. One of them even hinted that advanced aliens should be peaceful and kind as chimpanzees, which in reality are vicious creatures with ruthless societal structures. We're screwed uf we take this approach.

[@deephish]

Yes its worry simpltons like this might actually, keep trying to give our location away. Theres very little we could do to defend ourselves from someone with interstellar travel. They probably wouldnt destroy us either, just put us to work some how or use us as a resource for biological fluids for instance.

[@AbrahamMeat]

You’re a freaking moron, did you know that? They didn’t say chimpanzees were peaceful, they said that about bonobos, and how humans are more like chimpanzees, as we too are violent. So, you based your whole tantrum on a comprehension error. Congrats.

[@joebahneman9098]

you started all right, but..... "biolohical fluids"??@@deephish

[@leewolf6434]

I think the best message we could send would be, “You are not alone” Not only is it a great doctor who reference but it’d be a factual statement to anyone listening and is completely neutral in nature.

[@Jump-n-smash]

You’ve got mail.

[@leewolf6434]

@@Jump-n-smash you’re car insurance is due for renewal

[@alanheadrick7997]

I can never figure out why when sending out signals its always across the galaxy. The purpose it to see if someone answers. I wouldn't target anything farther than maybe 15 light years. Closer is easier, less power and people who send the signal should still be alive if there is a reply. The budget required to listen forever for a reply is crazy. Build new antennas, upgrades, human labor.

[@alanheadrick7997]

@@ronalddecker8498 Investigate and report whats found. The people can be warned along the way, so when a big surprises pops up, people won't care. I think politicians are once again the big problem.

[@alanheadrick7997]

@@ronalddecker8498 I think simple messages to keep bandwidth narrow and power high. The final message welcome to Earth approach with deflector shield on high!

[@salkeld571]

We have been inadvertently sending signals into space since Marconi first transmitted across the Atlantic on the 12 December 1901.Signals should be all over the Milky Way by now. Hope the aliens suss out the Morse Code?

[@alanheadrick7997]

@@salkeld571 Maybe 100 light years at best and those are very week signals non directional. Its easier to see us optically than radio detection, my guess. Which means anyone that can see the Earth probably knows someone is home. They just need JWST version 3 or 4.

[@glorymanheretosleep]

If we are in a dark forest, is it safe to say we already lost the war?

[@Fluffy_production]

No doubt, if we’re in the dark Forrest we’re FUBAR

[@nutyyyy]

Yes this is the biggest argument against just trying to hide. We are detectable and if any civilisation wanted potential threats wiped out they could have done it easily already. What earth does have is life. Which could well be the rarest resource in the universe.

[@snikrepak]

As someone who studies these specific scenarios, it is advisable to be observers, so far if there is life, they haven't shown to be hostile, as of yet, but inaction also can mean a bunch of other things too. Untill we reach warp tech, it would be best to keep to ourselves, if we can't find agreement in our petty issues like religion and politics, then then then decide for us.

[@davidpitts3008]

These people are clowns and less respectable than brain washed religious fanatics. At least some religious fanatics don’t force everyone else to go with the program that might kill us all. they have 0 proof this is safe. Especially unelected ones. Their worse than cult leaders encouraging mass suicide by forcing this on non believers of their childish and dangerous curiosity. Please, anyone prove me wrong.

[@nutyyyy]

Warp tech is never happening.

[@thermalrain_yt9725]

Man listening to the beginning of this made me have this really realistic feeling of being on a space ship traveling through the galaxy. I get that feeling every now and then and I love it. Like I feel like I can close my eyes and imagine looking out a window to the stars flying by and it feels amazing. It's so strong too. I feel a slight breeze and it makes it that much better. Maybe we are all flying to the next planet and we are in cryo having this amazing dream of our old lives on earth before the fall of society and we made it out. Lol crazy I know

[@thermalrain_yt9725]

@@joshrandar lol no way man these are awesome. I feel bad for people with little to no imagination.

[@floridaman4073]

We are on spaceship Earth.

[@fisterB]

You actually are on a big space ship traveling through the galaxy. The illusion is that we are stationary, a strong illusion, but very wrong.

[@LAMPROS311]

I would like to add that I am very happy for the quality of the applications that you promote.

[@EventHorizonShow]

Great to hear!

[@LAMPROS311]

@@EventHorizonShow I mean, applications for self teaching are great but promoting an application for mental health professional services is beyond expectations.

[@WrecklessEating]

This was wonderful :)

[@tlamore]

I enjoyed that one.. Panel was smart and funny..

[@bravadita]

I read their publication recently and never thought I'd hear their voices! Thanks for this John! This is by far my favorite episode to date. I'd like to know where I can follow these scientists for any future updates they may have I do think what isn't being considered here is how hearing about another alien civilization might lead to self-destruction though. I can't really unsee that possibility after reading Liu Cixin's Three Body Problem

[@henrymach]

The TV signal is too complex (it's one of the most complex analog signals) and would probably degrade too much to be successfully decoded given those distances. AM Radio, on the other hand is really simple and easy

[@Freddie_Dunning-Kruger_Jr.]

So what your saying is "Mr Gorbachev tear down this wall" is a bunch of gobbledygook but there are aliens with 35 years of Rush Limbaugh cassettes like Grateful Dead shows?

[@TheWeatherbuff]

Great episode, JMG! "Monty Burns" (Steve) is a new Patreon on your main channel! For all we know, aliens are watching us on "EarthTube". We've gotta be great entertainment for them.

[@JohnMichaelGodier]

I love it. "Earthtube", I gotta make a joke out of that in an outro.

[@richb2229]

Our sphere of influence is very small. We overestimate our ability to detect a civilization more than 100 light years away.

[@Ussnoss]

excellent discussion

[@garyr3179]

What a medley of guests! What an engaging discussion!!! Having a beacon in space can be a flip of a coin: things can go amazingly (Ala Star Trek) or terribly where an aggressive race may wish to eradicate us.

[@dominicseanmccann6300]

By the time the 'dark forest' realises we are here; we'll be long gone by our own hands.

[@eminence_]

An idea. Record the audio "offline" on their computers and ask them to send that audio file after the zoom call. Even better, send them 25 dollar condenser mics for MUCH better audio quality, like the Tonor. The content is always high quality though :)

[@dr4d1s]

I have recommended doing the local recording thing before. He said he would. It's good to see he took my recommendation seriously.

[@EventHorizonShow]

@@dr4d1s We do local recording when it's possible. Have to remember we are ASKING for these scientists to spend time even coming on the show, and not everyone is familiar with audio recording. In the future will be sending mics to guests that are repeatedly on the show and may need one.

[@dr4d1s]

@@EventHorizonShow I get what you are saying but computers literally have a built in audio record function as do phones. If they can figure out how to get their microphones working, it's literally clicking a record button. Just tell them, "we have had issues in the past with data being lost. Could you please record on your end?" Scientists will understand data being lost.

[@eminence_]

That's great to hear. There are some computer users that struggle with pretty much everything that is outside of their daily use. Now that I think of it, it'd probably be 30 min extra hassle and frustration. And they have tight schedules. Understandable.

[@dr4d1s]

@@eminence_ Windows Key, Voice, Enter, click the big record button. Done.

[@flaviokauling1436]

It really bothers me the laughter, the nervous giggling that these skeptical scientists give when they mention aliens or faster than light travel. It's a very ugly tick they use to distance themselves from the notion that they could possibly take seriously the possibility of it existing. Even Stephen F. Hawking took out seriously, who is this kid to laugh at it?

[@sunnyvalentino]

Group think

[@dominicseanmccann6300]

All these so called scientists have the arrogance to presume they know it all. No room for the thought that other cultures' have developed along different lines. Science even in my grand kids' lifetime will be unrecognisable. De grasse tyson syndrome, they'll be the laughing stocks, eventually.

[@lachlanthomaslangmead1651]

It’s been drilled into the heads of many thinking people that legitimate discussion of these things can’t be had without acknowledging and mocking how “outlandish” they are.

[@gaming_henry]

Is the answer to the Fermi paradox simply that light just isn’t that great for galactic scale communication, soon lost in the background noise. To be heard requires such powerful, long term signal that building it is too expensive to be viable.

[@MCsCreations]

Really fantastic conversation, JMG and guests! 😃 About "how would aliens think", we need to remember that, to get to intelligence and technology, they also need to go through evolution, as we did. So, to find an isolated group in our own planet would give us enough information about that. And we already found some. Anyway, stay safe there with your families! 🖖😊

[@MCsCreations]

@@ronalddecker8498 Exactly! There's a really interesting history about an American evangelist who came to Brazil to try to convert indigenous people... But he ended up returning to the US as an atheist. Because this people, the Pirahã, had absolute no concept of god and they only believe in what they can see and so on. And there are many more histories like this all around the globe... Pretty fascinating!

[@Vix2066]

I think the great filter is us too. We're living through the start of it now

[@kukublof5057]

I'm not sure it's a great filter at all, because if we are aware of it, and predict its impact, then it takes a lot off its greatness. we have a good chance to cope with it, and even if we don't then other civilizations either should have copped with it as well, or avoided it altogether.

[@NonBinary_Star]

EXCELLENT! episode! thank you!

[@stooartbabay]

Was really looking forward to listening to this but the audio is horrible… please please check the audio before you start recording?? Love you guys, amazing work … thanks :)

[@AwsAlSamarrie]

Awesome discussion, thank you

[@automatoncollectives7237]

Realistically, how long will it take this “message” to even reach anything remotely close? The whole process will takes such a long time, that I doubt we are even still hear to receive a reply.

[@dranlan8093]

I think there is a big flaw in the Fermi paradox! It assumes that an advanced civilization would need to colonize a galaxy! But if u take us for example, i don’t believe we would ever need to colonize our galaxy! With anti aging, transhumanism, etc, we would have enough space on just a few planets

[@EventHorizonShow]

Fermis original question did not state a need for colonization. Rather, exploration by probes.

[@dranlan8093]

@@EventHorizonShow such a fascinating topic! I personally love the silurian hypothesis! I don’t believe u did a video on this! But i strongly think its possible a far older, much more advanced civilization might still me here on some form

[@dranlan8093]

*be

[@gorbachevdhali4952]

@@EventHorizonShow People often forget this, and it's really hard to say the galaxy isn't littered with probes from alien civs (relatively speaking). We just don't know and may not for a very long time if that is the case.

[@shelby3822]

Aliens response: PLEASE HELP TOO MANY SPACE SHARKS

[@dirtyd33ds6]

It is very often the people with knowledge about astronomy and it's implications who have the mindset of a grown-up humanity. The mindset which will prove critical for our species to survive. Listening to their thoughts is all the more inspiring in these times. Gratitude John!

[@effingright3045]

I'm starting to think that the Great Filter is social media.

[@joebahneman9098]

wise AND witty

[@reallyryan_]

Fantastic episode! Keep em coming!

[@Maidiac]

Can't understand a lot of what the first guest to speak is saying. Too fast and poor annunciation. I did catch his WOKE message about the woman being subservient based on the fact she wasn't waving. That is a HUGE leap in logic and quite asinine honestly

[@theobserver9131]

No matter what, the human race has finite life span. If we survive 1000s of years, we will have evolved into something post human. Most likely, partially or fully machine based.

[@ericb2017]

Dr. Jonathan Jiang said a lot of interesting things.. great stuff once again Monsieur Godier

[@prideslayer77]

you're awesome bro. you inspired me to start my own series AAA Architects Angels Aliens. really appreciate guys like you making it happen.

[@indigoeyes777]

I believe that our current methods of finding life will most likely only succeed in finding less scientifically developed life forms, because life that is more developed will likely have already found us, and either hidden thier presence, or introduced themselves.

[@sbssmachine1]

Dangerous mix of naivety and hubris here.

[@sbssmachine1]

@@ronalddecker8498 there’s the hubris. We’re barely out of the trees but you say with certainty we’ve got it all figured out to the point it’s impossible for that signal to be detected. You’re so sure there’s nothing more to learn that you’ll gamble the whole planet on it? Seems like a naive and arrogant assumption to make just to start a conversation about self reflection. Bear in mind as well that it’s pointless - people open to the idea are already reflective, unfortunately the decisions are made by selfish people who are not. The course of history right now is being decided by Vladimir Putin and his ilk. I doubt he’s going to be pondering his navel long because these people fired a cheery wave into space.

[@captain_context9991]

There is no "Great filter" so that should make the whole thing a lot easier. We really dont need a "Fermi paradox" either. This "great silence" is just that... Silence. Thinking life is rare. Thinking life that runs its own space program, almost infinitely rare.

[@EventHorizonShow]

Really enjoy comments like yours where someone has all the answers. Can you tell us more? Looking forward to knowing the secrets of the universe from Captain Context.

[@captain_context9991]

@@EventHorizonShow Thats the thing. I cant really elaborate on it. As long as we have a sample size of 1. Any Fermi paradox or great filter we imagine, would be based on so many assumptions on top of asumptions that it would be guaranteed to be wrong. Whats wrong with life simply being rare. I mean... I think the microscopic chemical processes that happens inside cells... Is probably as universal as the formation of stars and planets. Would be weird if all that happens just here... But even on this planet where every cubic inch of dirt, water, and air, contain some organic matter. Even here, life that runs its own space program is ultra rare. And if we were an intelligent species of dolfins, if we lived in a planet with 3 times the gravity, if we didnt have an ecosystem that gives us oil, if we had a raging, turbulent amosphere 3 miles thick that prevens any kind of fligh. If our air was too thin to fly in... There are WAY more reasons not to colonise space than reasons for doing it. What if you are an intelligent tiger-like species that grew smart as a way to putsmart your prey. Your highest aspiration in life is 5 square miles of huntingground. Why would such a species want to go to space. Or even build a camp fire.

[@AndrewBlucher]

@@captain_context9991 So ... you don't actually have a context?

[@GiffyPooh]

Boom goes the dynamite

[@justinwalker7894]

You don't really know what you're saying captain

[@RedDawn370]

Bad idea! We want to find them and decide if 1st contact is advisable. The other way around results in our extinction.

[@MS-ii1sv]

Maybe the great filter is recklessly sending out messages to aliens.

[@joebahneman9098]

tenable.

[@richarddeese1991]

Thanks. One problem is that, while a single human can imagine long-term plans, it's very difficult to get lots of humans to think about the same plan all at once. We are a product of evolution, and long-term planning is not something evolution really does. This is one area where we need to evolve beyond our current selves. tavi.

[@joebahneman9098]

I do not think that word means what you think it means

[@richarddeese1991]

@@joebahneman9098 Fair enough. Biological evolution is one thing; humans evolving socially is another. But I do think that humans will have to do both before things truly change for the better. In this case, I feel one leads to the other. tavi.

[@laurencemoore8519]

The most important message we can broadcast? "We dont taste very nice, will give you a lot of gas and are difficult to cook."

[@b.griffin317]

Seems to me an important question that has to answered before ever even considering sending a message is this: How powerful must a signal be before it becomes indistinguishable from the background of the universe? Can we even send such a powerful signal? What X sized receiver antenna must the the recipient have to pick up a signal of Y strength at Z distance?

[@cdurkinz]

Oooh this one sounds fun!

[@davew8360]

Why dont you just mimick a pulsar, when they go to look they realise it's an odd signal, you know (because there isn't one). everyone can understand that, right?

[@kdegraa]

What is the point of sending a message out? The best response to messages sent out is no response. Any response would be incredibly disruptive and could cause a lot of harm. We should not send out any information that could identify us. The risks are too large.

[@aroemaliuged4776]

At 8 min even Eastern philosophically are going a bit wokish

[@zax2153]

Not related to this topic but I would like to thank you that I could discover new great author Andy Weir thanks to your show. I watch every episode btw, really great and interesting content.

[@MattPSU02]

John, could you possibly invite people like Martin Kornmesser, who make the illustrations and graphics that you have in your B roll? I think it would be an interesting show.

[@EventHorizonShow]

Yes, we’ve thought of that. Might be a bonus show or released on the new channel.

[@jeromeogivenz954]

That’s ironic that you say people fall asleep listening to the shop because that’s what I’m doing right now I do it all the time

[@genghiscarnage4015]

So we send new picture. Old picture bad. Man waving. Very bad. We send picture with woman waving as well. We no want aliens to think us transmysognblahblah's. The things that some people prioritise is mind boggling. I really don't think aliens would be interested in the 'concept' of alphabet people or toxic feminism. Maybe the borg do . . . . you are an 'l' you work in the reactor core, you are a 'g' you are a borg lolipop -man- person I hope the rest of the video improves.

[@MNewton]

I think it doesn't actually matter for a number of reasons. If we think about life as having the potential to eventually produce a civilization that may cause undesirable competition for our hypothetical dangerous super civilization then the potential of Earth to create such a civilization should have been known to anyone close enough to matter for hundreds of millions of years. Since life eventually lead to a technological civilization here we can pretty safely say that either there is no monstrous civilization out there or if there is they don't see potential emerging civilizations as a threat. The point being that any entity with the power to effect us almost certainly knows we are here already. As for the message, it could only be a surprise to civilizations that are around our own level and in that case they can't suddenly show up since we can't even regularly visit our own satellite body. As for civilizations that want to wipe out all other life, it would be far easier to to just engineer the galaxy in such a way that life just doesn't evolve in the first place. You have all the resources in the the galaxy to do it, the question is what is the advantage of waiting for sentience and then stamping it out as it comes up. It's a lot easier to rid yourself of termites by spraying around the building so that the don't arrive in the first place than it is to wait until they have eaten up part of your house to decide that you should do something about it.

[@deephish]

too many assumptions you no nothing about life outside earth, dont bet our safety on guesses, oh they must be like this or that, you dont know and possible couldnt even understand.

[@indigoeyes777]

Is observing entropy by breaking things, (ala the large hadron collider) always going to be the best way of learning things to develop the axioms that move our scientific progress forward?

[@radu808]

love your work so much.

[@TheSkeptic000]

Amazing

[@TheNguyenGiap]

To have "laws of physics" would make sense if they covered 96% of the known universe. But we only discovered around 4% so we have a lot more to learn before we can set the laws in stone

[@kenneth6847]

We live too far apart to threaten one another

[@mikehipps1015]

3%?! Maybe for 80+ year old folks. Certainly not overall. That's absurd.

[@amangogna68]

Great video and information !

[@plato363]

Never thought the science of communicating with potential aliens across the vast emptiness of space/time could be turned towards how awful we are in destroying the planet. Good to know

[@plato363]

Sad that science has turned from progress, knowledge, and the improvement of humanity to this fatalist, humanity is evil, and apocalypse porn

[@floridaman4073]

@Bronski Turboski , considering that any life form on a planet is going to be the Apex Predator.

[@nutyyyy]

@Bronski Turboski It's a basic trait of life and it's difficult difficult conceive any sort of alien intelligence not engaging in conflict of some kind. Furthermore we also assume that such a civilisation is inherently unified or has a singular mindset, culture, political structure etc.

[@himynameis3664]

@Imperator Caesar Traianus Hadrianus Augustus especially when there has been war observed between different tribes of chimps. And if a species is able to advance technologically it is fair to presume they were apex predators at some point as it would be nearly impossible for that level of creativity without being top of the food chain

[@joebahneman9098]

They've convinced you Earth is a smoking ruin, have they? Bah! If we, ourselves, were in half as good shape as Old Earth, maybe we wouldn't be mutilating our children. Earth, herself, is pretty and spry.

[@coreymetzker2521]

@8:05 what the EFFFF??? We are gonna start virtue signaling aliens now? 😩 We aren’t even gonna make it off planet at all are we?

[@MoneyMotivation360]

& when they send messages back via crop circles the science community ignores them…

[@AndrewBlucher]

I liken "announcing" our presence to joining a new online community, which we have all done, and many times too. We have learned that it's better to lurk and watch what happens, see who is who, work out the etiquette, before making a small contribution. Even then the results can be "off putting". Here, "off putting" corresponds to civilization ending. "Seriously off putting" is extinction. Don't. Just don't.

[@MrHellknightimp]

3 percent? Try .3 maybe.

[@Rumplestiltsquat]

I know right 3% wouldn’t that mean in 33 days we are all going to get nuked 🤣 perhaps in the next 33 years if he meant 3% this year? Either way it’s dumb where on earth did they pull that number from?

[@MarmaLloyd]

What worries me is when you extrapolate to not just a forest but whole biomes. we may be tolerated here but if we make noise it may be our own that take us down

[@eukrazia]

wow! all three of your guests are incredible today! i thoroughly enjoyed listening to this interview :) hope you bring dr. jiang back ❤️

[@donjulio8669]

I completely disagree they're not incredible they're okay calm down

[@eukrazia]

@@donjulio8669 any askers?

[@donjulio8669]

@@eukrazia space is empty deal with it we're alone okay

[@eukrazia]

@@donjulio8669 literally no one asked bro 😂😂😂 i just complimented john's guests and the interview and ur here making comments that no one asked you for. let people enjoy things

[@thedave1771]

Would they want to talk? Sure. Maybe we are ants, okay, so some ants said “hey, how’s it hanging?” who thinks we’d simply never answer? This especially applies if we are the only other civilization they’ve encountered that is capable of communicating. If not, then they aren’t the only one either, what are the odds that no member of any civilization would be interested in a chat?

[@Fungusfilms]

I can imagine the alien excitement as they discover the images of us. Two long antenna with ten knobs on top , below that a trunk with branches from the base to obviously gather sunlight. But strangely only one rather dodgy looking wheel on the bottom.

[@MoneyMotivation360]

Instead of waiting thousands of years I’ve got a better idea, send our fighter pilots who said “we see these UAP’s on a daily basis” with a message using Morse code to communicate.

[@greggary7217]

The things people find to focus on never ceases to amaze me. It’s astonishing, really but ok - if said message is going to be received by anyone that can possibly matter to us, it is more likely to be an alien space traveller than a planet bound species. The implications are obvious. Ergo I’m with Hawking. I mean it’s lovely to be positive and forward looking but the down side to being wrong is gargantuan. That said, I’m also with Dr. Jiang - it most likely that we are not smart enough to survive long enough for any of this to matter. So I find myself back at the beginning - it’s incredible the things people find to focus on.

[@xit1254]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Babylonians used base 60.

[@ForeverMasterless]

To me it makes sense that traveling between stars is just so resource and time intensive that no biological organism ever pulls it off, even if theoretically they have the tech to do it. That doesn't explain why they wouldn't send out tons of self replicating probes, though.

[@lov3977]

Both the terms "time" and "budget" are human constructs and also our greatest "great filter". A truly enlightened intelligence would have moved past the ideaology of economics, which is nothing but the selfish goal of enriching ones self over the species as a whole. They would simply decide if something is achievable and just do it for the benefit of their species currently experiencing the moment of existance.

[@joebahneman9098]

wrong on all counts.

[@lov3977]

@@joebahneman9098 ok, well constructed arguement. 🤷

[@robbabcock_]

Great stuff!

[@Hykje]

I read a science fiction story where a big alien warship shows up on course towards Earth -at the end of the story they find out why it's on its way to Earth -the aliens have misunderstood the message on the Pioneer probes as a cry for help and have sent the warship to save us from a nonexisting enemy.

[@ugiswrong]

„...in a sense.“ Legend

[@ibpositivemostly7437]

Cool video thanks.

[@et2792]

The assumption that we will continue to progress for even another 20 years is really pushing it.

[@gary6549]

Would it be expensive to travel the galaxy or it depending on technology level

[@joebahneman9098]

not or, but and.

[@cernunnos_lives]

I'm good either way as long as Earth life spreads. I want our lifeforms across our Sol system. Every conceivable microbe from our world needs to spread and change. We owe it to every ancestor we have to make new homes and new ways of living. I want all of us to survive & succeed and am willing to work hard for it.