Type 2 Aliens may be at the Center of the Galaxy with Adam Frank

[@EventHorizonShow]

Do you think Earth is a backwater planet? Just outside of the area where most aliens travel? Go read Adam Frank's book Light of the Stars: Alien Worlds and the Fate of the Earth amzn.to/3w5r04c (affiliate link)

[@Moontanman]

Ask an atmospheric physicist? Is James E. MacDonald good enough? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_E._McDonald

[@Moontanman]

@@Valorius Where have we looked for microbes?

[@jaroslavpesek6642]

@@Valorius They merged.

[@Moontanman]

@@Valorius Mars is the only one and that is arguable. The asteroid Bennu was not tested for microbes. No one really expects microbes on hot airless bodies like the moon.

[@cryptolicious3738]

@@Valorius yes agreed, didnt like guests chuckling low knowledge answers per UAPs. we should ask aegis engineers about sigma values of aegis tracks. we wouldnt ask pilots about things Hubble spots....so why ask astronomers about craft in our air ? makes zero sense.

[@TheKingCorno]

I read that as there might be both type 2 aliens and Adam Frank in the center of the galaxy

[@hmdshokri]

and my glympse reading was: 2 aliens and Adam Frank are in the center of galaxy

[@tkermi]

Yes 😂, I also understood it so that type 2 aliens might be there but Adam Frank being there is more certain.

[@lukeskydropper]

Hilarious he does see to be way to sure of himself

[@Rcdvst808]

Lol 😆

[@ben-rodell]

The aliens have Adam Frank in the centre of the galaxy?! 😰

[@cripmeister9104]

"We're just carrying a giant bag of biases with us" From the chuckle at 1:37 that is pretty obvious...

[@justinwatts1660]

It's always the same with these types, their arrogance ensures their ignorance. It probably doesn't help that they feel compelled to proclaim their dismissiveness amongst their peers, but it can only reinforce their disbelief because nobody wants to be a fraud so they convince themselves that their dismissiveness is of course the correct thinking. But yeah, I don't put much weight into what "intellectuals" think about anything beyond the empirical. Deep thinkers drinking from the puddle they all peed in while making monkey noises. We simply can not know what we do not know and it's beyond arrogant to assign motive or technological capability, for all we know there could be no limits to what can be achieved, for all we know they ARE capable of making mistakes, silly to assume they must be perfect. Or maybe they are but have their own reasons idk but I do know that they don't know either.

[@dougg1075]

Amen

[@nichpaen]

@@justinwatts1660 someone had to say it, well put!!

[@thomasglebe1273]

Jeez, don't you hate when astronomers talk about UFO's? I love most Event Horizon videos, but I had to turn this off early. These same people have NEVER seriously studied the phenomenon, but they will talk religiously about "there's so many stars and planets and galaxies, there MUST be ET's out there." Of course, saying that means more government funding. And of course, they think they're going to actually hear radio signals. Radio, lol. And of course, since WE cannot travel interstellar distances, no other species could possibly do that. Talk about total nonsense. Two hundred years ago, try to explain a smart phone to all the "scientists" back then. We have spent the last year and a half being blatantly LIED to by "scientists" in the health field. This guy is just another astronomy professional, and just another intellectual snob.

[@victormendoza3295]

@@justinwatts1660 Yeah

[@CMon_Jack]

The only reason the military are the ones who contact aliens 1st in the movies is explained by this guy right here. At this present day the military are the only ones taking these alien sightings serious and scientists just throw it off like it's nothing.

[@razeezar]

I'm curious as to what alien sightings are you referring to? There is much discussion about UFOs/UAP, but nothing about any 'alien sightings'.

[@Matthew.E.Kelly.]

Public interest in space tech has been used to justify ever-increasing military budgets since the 1950s, it's nothing new. Because the same tech that gets rockets into space is used to increase missile velocity via propellant improvements, & increase potential explosive yield/destructive capability 🤷

[@skyesworld6160]

All I know from movies and Novels is that we do not want any Aliens we find to be bugs

[@Rattus-Norvegicus]

@@Valorius I telepathically communicate with my ferret...

[@9trogenta13]

don't worry we have the Mobile Infantry

[@raidermaxx2324]

aliens could never "BE" bugs, because as far as we know, "insects" only evolved on our planet.

[@travisporco]

The Thranx might beg to differ.

[@mattjustofficial]

@@raidermaxx2324 k, wait til you see the Mantids

[@faheyplayer]

I have to laugh out loud when I hear any sugggestion that the U.S. military cannot distinguish between planes, birds, unidentifieds, etc., as if their understanding of radar technology is in its infancy, as if these videos plead “YOU decide.” Not only is radar well understood by the military, why would the military ever admit it didn’t know what was going on unless it had to? Or to even suggest it was puzzled by its radar returns. To me that defies logic. That being said, the evidence produced so far is not compelling or useful from a scientific analysis point of view. Furthermore, this is an old phenomenon not a new one. This is just the tip of the iceberg, as the observables in 2021 are similar if not the same as ones in 1947. Unless you believe the Chinese or, hey, a non state player like a band of armed thugs who live in caves managed to outpace current technology by millennia, well why not. LOL And yes this podcast is SO GOOD

[@razeezar]

Charlie, we need to factor in a few key factors here before jumping to wild conclusions and 'laughing aloud'. Whenever an anomalous sighting is made, or anomalous data is captured on instruments, further investigation / corroboration of data is required before the occurrences can be ruled out as mundane objects / equipment glitches / active interference by other actors, or something else entirely. The report itself states this in very clear terms.

[@faheyplayer]

@@razeezar well, of course, as I said

[@7heHorror]

The Pentagon confirmed that the recently leaked green triangle video is of an unidentified object, yet it is blinking lights in compliance with FAA regulation, they just can't be arsed to identify it...

[@Starfishtroopers]

Sobering is the word.

[@razeezar]

@@faheyplayer Sure. But then you go on to say "the observables in 2021 are similar if not the same as ones in 1947" I am not sure that anyone can postulate this based on what we both agree is a lack of compelling evidence.

[@JGfromSpace.]

The idea that another country has technology that’s SO much more advanced than ours that our military can’t even begin to comprehend how it works, is equally as unbelievable to me as the idea that aliens hopped in their ships and travelled interstellar space to play hide and seek with us. There’s gotta be something else behind this phenomenon.

[@papabee5680]

In China, AlphaGo was a "Sputnik moment" which helped convince the Chinese government to prioritize and dramatically increase funding for artificial intelligence. Watch the KZbin documentary alphago. Everything changed in 2016.

[@JGfromSpace.]

@@papabee5680 thanks for the recommendation! I just checked out the first couple minutes of the doc. Im definitely gonna watch it!

[@slapdashsoviet]

To me this is one of the stronger arguments. It’s absurd to think that one of the other great powers has this tech and nobody else has developed it, or used it in the wars they’ve been involved in in the decades the phenomenon has been seen.

[@Si-Horrocks]

that' absolutely a misinterpretation of everything that is said in this podcast

[@inthefade]

Just imagine a huge civilization with countless quadrillions of life forms, all travelling around space with all this curiosity. Even if they made some law about not interfering with us so we can be observed and studied at least a handful of assholes would come poke around on the planet, do some stupid stuff, and get spotted by us. They wouldn't be a monolith. That's naive Hollywood thinking, and too simplified.

[@puppymax7751]

The absence of evidence, isn't evidence of absence.

[@victormendoza3295]

Exactly.

[@robertmiller9735]

Sometimes it is. It depends on what's being claimed, and what evidence should be expected.

[@gabrielmoralesgonzalez6471]

The evidence of absence, is not the absence of evidence.

[@bradfordhatch5085]

That sayong sounds profound and is frequently quoted... but it's also pure nonsense. It's not *proof* of absence perhaps, but it *is* evidence. I see no evidence for the existence of vampires or succubi either, but that's not going to convince me that such crratures *do* exist.

[@dhoyt902]

It's like we're trying to prove the Reimann Hypothesis, but at the same time, cant find any zeroes on the critical line.

[@MarkyCannoli]

They do have the data, it’s classified.

[@jacobito6223]

I'm 15 minutes in and you guys already contradicted the report twice. And btw there's as many people wanting it to not be aliens as there are wanting it to be aliens.

[@EventHorizonShow]

This was recorded before the report released

[@jacobito6223]

@@EventHorizonShow Oh that explains it. I got a different impression from the graphic of the report scrolling by.

[@innocentbystander3317]

@@jacobito6223 Did you mean the graphic that starts scrolling at approx 10:50, the one that has something very odd in the top left corner? Just making sure we're all talking about the same graphic... 😉

[@jacobito6223]

@@innocentbystander3317 yeah, the report. Do you mean the opening summary or something further down?

[@innocentbystander3317]

@@jacobito6223 Not quite sure what you mean. I hear the top left corner has something nifty... keep watching, maybe you'll see it. [Taps side of nose and winks twice]

[@dvsreed]

UFO's are older than 1947. Pilots in WWII saw strange craft that were very fast, moved in strange ways and seemed far beyond what we could build. They called them Foo fighters and were worried that they were Japanese aircraft. After the war ended we found out that the Japanese pilots were seeing them also.

[@JohnMichaelGodier]

Actually, if you really dig into those, it was usually strange lights. And NO ONE at the time suggested aliens.

[@JohnMichaelGodier]

@@Valorius Also the Green Fireballs and the Swedish missiles which everyone thought were Russian tests, but apparently weren't. It was a weird period where no one had yet said anything about aliens, yet ideas about alien life were well known. Churchill had even written an essay on the subject years before. Then in the 50's after some sci fi shows, all of a sudden everyone jumped on the alien explanation. At least in the US, not so much for other countries until much more recently.

[@antondovydaitis2261]

Foo fighters were balls of plasma, and aircraft no longer produce them.

[@mikeroberts9299]

They were seen way before that as well. It's not a modern thing it's just reported more and easier.

[@quezmar411]

Lights in the sky were discribed in ancient Sanskrit (indian) texts.

[@jeholloway2]

Funny how we thought planets might be rare then found out they are everywhere. Now we think life is rare ……

[@EventHorizonShow]

Fair point.

[@strawhataddison]

I for one would be excited to learn about a Star Trek style scenario out there.

[@PetraKann]

Big unconnected leap to take. Correlation is not causation let alone making hypothetical analogy. Having said that, I would be flabbergasted and flummoxed if life was very rare or isolated to earth in this vast and potentially infinite universe.

[@nachospopthe3rd564]

And can't find any of it? Lol

[@shadowzerg]

@Apstore Login Life started off as blank automatons Seems a bit silly to state that there’s no reason for us not to be blank, when life evolved specifically away from that to escape predators that found utility in having higher cognitive function Also, you’re assuming some inherent difference between non-living and living matter. This is an incredibly common flaw in reasoning but is also very difficult to avoid because we’re looking out from within. But as far as the rules of Reality go, there’s no actual distinction between ourselves, and a rock We’re effectively just a more complex rock, if you understand the analogy that I’m drawing here As far as consciousness goes, add variables to a network and the network becomes more complex. Emergence is an inherent property seen at every single level of Reality so no reason to expect it not to at what we think is its highest level (consciousness). But to be clear: There are blatant evolutionary advantages to not being “blank”. To clarify further however: As far as the body is concerned, we *are* blank. Free will is an elaborate illusion designed to encourage us to behave in a specific, usually beneficial-to-self way. And without it, perhaps the automaton wouldn’t be as motivated to interact with others, or run spur of the moment when a bush rustles That’s my take

[@kevinlloyd1079]

I love how people instantly say your wrong but have zero answers themselves. Full time skepticism is an easy way to not have to think themselves

[@henrytjernlund]

I think the report as a significant change from "move along, nothing to see here" to "there IS something there, but we don't know what."

[@deejin25]

And more than that it said "there is something there, it poses flight hazards, interrupts military operations, shows up on sensors, and it absolutely positively is not ours or a radar glitch., we need to look at it because we don't know."

[@dougg1075]

Yep

[@kevink1575]

lol They know what it is.

[@terminalarch6767]

shame they spent so much energy hushing the narrative, which just brings the conversation to levels decades behind what they should be.

[@ztrussell]

Yes, highly significant that the US military admits ignorance about this. Surely not an easy thing to do.

[@jammin8300]

Why do so many leaders in this field dismiss ufo while refusing to collect data ? Are they lent on by lobbyists the corporation funding this guys work will determine direction of data its so upsetting

[@ssgssbeet4133]

Im guessing they dont want to be labeled as "sci fi" or cooks or lunatics, we have this stigma now a days that anyone who believes in aliens is a conspiracy theorist or a wacko and that is rly sad

[@babykosh5415]

"while refusing to collect data" all yes....you have hit it on the head.

[@jeschinstad]

What exactly do you mean by "leaders" and refusing to collect data? Are you talking about the Pentagon? They're not saying that they refuse to collect data. They say that they refuse to share the data with scientists. The naivë explanation is because revealing what kind of military capacity you have, would be a bad idea since it would immediately be exploted by enemies. The more cynical explanation is that it's a fake to deter Russia from using it's unstoppable super-weapon against the US.

[@robertmiller9735]

'Cause it's junk data.

[@babykosh5415]

@@robertmiller9735 sho troll sho away

[@benghazi4216]

"It sounds like a science fiction story, therefor it is a science fiction story" That is the worst mindset you can have. That kind of thinking has held up progress so many times during human history it isn't even funny.

[@htos1av]

Yep, think of computers as day dreamed of 150 years ago.

[@TheConqueror009]

A lot of science fiction is purely fiction. Because a lot of science fiction contradicts physics. Or chemistry. Like Star Trek, Star Wars, even Halo and Dune, etc.

[@cdurkinz]

Ya how many times has science fiction come true so far hmmm….

[@benghazi4216]

@@politicallycorrectredskin796 Ridiculous. Have a listen to what Avi Loeb has to say on this and you will hear an actual scientist. And his mindset is not even close to the above stupidity, because it is pure stupidity to make statements like that. And please stop with the IDIOTIC straw man arguments.

[@benghazi4216]

@@politicallycorrectredskin796 And you did too, by clutching your pearls and solely focused on the insults, and not the substance. Listen to Avi and reflect on the stupidity in your post.

[@SIRKONGLA]

Off course this videos doesnt prove that Alien exists.. BUT as scientists it should be very interesting to find out more about the UAP's. But for me it seems so many scientists does not take this serious and does so in an arrogant manner. I dont think its the the phrase "Eureka!" that have lead to most scientific progress but rather "Wow! What is this!?" Sorry for my english its not my first language. Btw love your show.🤙

[@EventHorizonShow]

Thank you for watching Torkel!

[@thegreenbean5891]

Is it not possible for another civilization to have 'sent out' drones into the galaxy thousands of years ago and maybe they found Earth but may have malfunctioned or gone into 'observation mode' and been spotted every now and then? It's something we have also done and probably will do again when propulsion breakthroughs are found.

[@mikeroberts9299]

Well maybe when the officials call them drones they're being literal they just aren't human drones.

[@aws624]

People with the exact same physiology as us once thought the earth was the center of the universe. Just a thought.

[@ripdib]

This thought is trash. You are not getting anywhere pal. Maybe listen to the specialist in the podcast instead of getting to conclusions based on the movies youve watched. No one here besides the two guys talking in the podcast have the knowledge to go against what they are saying. Be more humble

[@ianmeade7441]

@@ripdib maybe try being more conducive to conversation, rather than patronizing and aggressive. And if still you insist, then at least be correct. "No one here besides the two guys talking in the podcast have the knowledge to go against what they are saying." That's about the most anti-scientific thing there is. ANYONE can offer a different view, bearing in mind that they must follow a proven criteria, and may be completely out of their depth, but saying they *can't* will only stop the conversation. And if you just wanna be the last person talking then you're not really here to learn anything. Like I disagree with a lot of what Adam Frank has to say about principals of searching while not knowing. He's trying to explore what we don't know through the lenses of only what we know with complete certainty, and that certainty he's chosen to use is that WE DON'T KNOW. It puts a false confidence in what does or does not qualify as 'good speculation'. And some of what Dr. Frank dismisses as not good enough to speculate on seems more like a handwave to things he just didn't think to consider. His opinion piece and whole stance toward UAPs seems to put extra effort into being smug. Phrases like " UFOs don't *impress me* " and " UFOs and ghost stories are spooky " just seem like focus toward belittlement, which is not what you emphasize in a scientific discussion. Also, he has an incorrect view that - if UAPs are an alien entity - they are trying to stay hidden but failing. The reality is that there is not a single scrap of anything to indicate what kind of intentions these UAPs would possibly have. ALL we know from any report (that still defies explanation) is that they move fast. Something that moves fast at all times; doesn't care about concealing itself, and doesn't need long to do whatever it does while slowed down, would indeed be very elusive. We don't conceal ourselves when researching the Sentinelese from airplanes and helicopters, because we know the outside world of ships and airplanes is already visible to them. But we also don't stick around longer than we need to, and we don't try making contact. precedent exists for us to assume others might do the same. There are other things that Dr. Frank says which I disagree with, but I'm not going to spend my whole day typing this out.

[@4CardsMan]

@@ripdib About how humble would be about righrt?

[@Cyclopsonlyseeshisdeath]

​@@ianmeade7441great comment

[@TheNguyenGiap]

You had me at "Type 2 Aliens"

[@Steinwbs]

Ha...me too

[@ryanb9749]

Had everyone that clicked on the video. Lol

[@system3008]

He can count that as a win?

[@JohnAlanWoods]

Hahaha

[@efxnews4776]

Type 2 in Kardashev scale.

[@d26k164]

I am so sick of seemingly intelligent people trying to explain away the ufo phenomena. A lot of these people are simply biased and lack the proper information to correctly comment on the subject. It's extremely frustrating to listen to

[@ikillify]

The levee will break my friend.

[@JohnMichaelGodier]

What was frustrating is watching the UFO community burn down after the posting of one single blurry FAA compliant alien video yesterday. The one time the field had the attention of the scientific and government communities, it was all blown by one huckster that made himself the face of your movement. Don't blame it on anyone but yourselves from now on for this whole thing not being taken seriously.

[@Charles-1]

I had to stop because they get so much wrong you can tell they haven't taken it serious enough for even 5 minutes to do some strong research. "There's no evidence of these things doing instant acceleration or any capabilities we couldn't understand and thats what you would have to see before you jump to maybe aliens". Government: "Instantaneous acceleration, trans-medium travel, Gravity does not seem to effect them and they have no wings or exhaust plumes, they don't cause sonic booms, they travel these same speeds underwater, oh and we've been studying and collecting data on them for 70 years". Him: "Yeah, so anyways like I was saying.....".

[@flanderstruck3751]

@@JohnMichaelGodier what happened yesterday? Could someone elaborate please?

[@Brannon1009]

@@JohnMichaelGodier god damn cold blooded

[@gboo9490]

Ever since man put chalk to cave walls hes been trying to tell everyone he saw something unlike any man made object he seen before.pilots know the risk but still take it to say the same.

[@wyattlightning6681]

I love how people who haven't researched into the UFO phenomenon deeply, disregard it so quickly. Egos are just infuriating

[@bonorbitz]

Yep. They read a news article, clap the dust off their hands and are suddenly experts ready to debunk.

[@thedoruk6324]

Wait! So hyper advanced aliens just chilling and vibing throughout the galactic center and they dont even invite us to the party

[@CosmicCleric]

Would you invite infants to an adult party?

[@wyattlightning6681]

Absolutely no regard and ignorance for the militaries dealings with this phenomenon

[@areyou3229]

Maybe the answer is that they been here for some time, somewhere in the ocean and that's what was behind some of the US navy's sightings in last decade. If they can cross space then they surely could be hiding in the vast area of the ocean. Just throwing it out there, its not something I believe but I acknowledge it could be part of the answer.

[@stt5v2002]

Seems like a type 2 civilization would know that we are here.

[@madadammcphee1323]

It honestly sounds like he never researched the uap phenomenon before commenting on it! 😬

[@comet52]

and also that he drank about 15 cups of coffee before he began this interview

[@ripdib]

It honestly sounds like youre religious. He has the best take on the UFO events than any other of these UFO hunters who have tons of bias and are getting money over it

[@MortuusTyrannus]

“They (the military) have no evidence that the objects were traveling at speeds humans cannot and experiencing g forces our materials can’t bare.” (Not a direct quote from the guest but close) My response is he hasn’t looked into this. Because they do have evidence of this. Not saying the evidence isn’t faulty or incorrect, but that is exactly what’s being claimed.

[@lkgpuanimho0349]

JMG, we should look for megastructures around older type F stars, because civilisations there might just want to extend the star’s lifespan. Hope JWST can focus more on type F and G stars, instead of type M and K.

[@TheRoadLessChosen]

Uhm. The Air Force captain said that the one she analyzed showed speeds of 45k. She is on record of saying this... those speeds are out of this world.

[@JohnMichaelGodier]

How was that speed determined and by what instrument?

[@stevo12378]

@@JohnMichaelGodier radar sweeps at certain intervals. U can work out speed .within the radar sweeps .ie 1st sweep ufo at 1 location. Sweeps 2 say 1 second after sees the ufo at location 2 and so on .basic maths works out the speed 👍

[@TheRoadLessChosen]

@@JohnMichaelGodier that’s a good question. She didn’t give that info. She pointed out the fighter jet’s speed and then gave the estimate. I’ll find the video and put it here. On another note, I absolutely love your research, interviews, and your presentation. I’m 41 and for as long as I can remember I’ve had a fascination with your subject matter. I lived in a west Texas town where it was church everyday. My grandmother was an outlier and had books about ancient mysteries. I read every single one as a child. Evidently in high school it must’ve got around that I believed in aliens long before it was mainstream. I was asked by a very popular girl (Christian) if I believed in aliens. My response could’ve elicited bullying amongst other things. I responded with the following: If God can create what we have here on Earth then who’s to say that he didn’t continue his creation in other places? Does an artist only use one canvas? I wasn’t nervous in my response as I was resolute in my belief. I must’ve presented it confidently as I was never confronted about it again. Your videos remind me of my grandmother’s openness at a time when most were not. I’m sure many feel the same. Thank you for your work. - Jon

[@TheRoadLessChosen]

@@JohnMichaelGodier 3:05 to 4:05 kzbin.info/www/bejne/hWfEc4qpqKyhpMk the Colonel, not captain as I state, lays out the speed. The creator of the video states a speed of 46k per the USS Princeton Radar team and Colonel Andrea Themely’s analysis. If you listen further to about 4:55 they both speak about current speeds and new technology advanced speeds 10x speed of sound. 46kMPH is crazy speed to me.

[@JohnMichaelGodier]

​@@stevo12378 May we see the data and the design of the "sweeping" radar? I don't want videos, I want the actual data from the instrument so we can figure this out.

[@Rlover]

THANK YOU for switching back the introduction music. Please don’t alter it anymore. Huge fan!

[@youaremopped]

"... but can't manage to stay hidden"??? Who is claiming they are trying to stay hidden?!

[@Mr_Rob_otto]

Exactly. He’s making a false assumption. It appears from the evidence that they want to be seen. They’re making their presence known.

[@youaremopped]

So if we don't see them, they don't exist, but if we do see them, they don't exist. Makes sense.

[@StephenAntKneeBk5]

I respect our best scientists, but, the hubris of some is rather astounding. The UAP report was brief, but also rather profound. So many of the so called "skeptics" sound like that trying to convince rather than simply stating their view. I find that attitude unpersuasive, shallow off off-putting. Nevertheless, interesting interview as always.

[@JohnMichaelGodier]

What I find off putting is Corbell's latest video. FAA compliant blurry aliens. In one day the subject went from having serious scientific and government interest which is what everyone's been asking for across decades, to something not worth taking seriously again. Blew it is not even a strong enough term. Shame on the UFO community.

[@StephenAntKneeBk5]

@@JohnMichaelGodier Thanks for your excellent program, John. I agree. I want a serious investigation by some kind of Citizen's Commission composed of leading minds in relevant fields. I never much liked the "UFO Community."

[@system3008]

So is he saying there was no idea of aliens before we went to space?

[@jayball2782]

Right lmao ? UFOs go back so far an obviously there just uneducated on it all. They've been making painting depicting what they've seen in the sky's and the UFO videos that they have out right now are vary much real, the government has even said so

[@richardsuckerson49]

Definitely art in the ancient Egypt and ancient Central America depicting flying machines, with gods piloting them

[@system3008]

I know people's of the past had these ideas and /or saw this. I was thinking it was ignorant that it only come about in his life time.

[@liam3104]

@@richardsuckerson49 The art in ancient Egypt is misunderstood. They are superimposed hieroglyphs

[@thestoo8328]

He was talking about when the subject became mainstream.

[@FuriousImp]

So you're saying there's a meeting taking place between Adam Frank and aliens in the center of the galaxy? Cool.

[@Primus54]

One can make the point that an alien technology so advanced to seemingly violate the “known” laws of physics would also be sufficiently advanced to be “invisible”, but that doesn’t make it a 100% certainty they are invisible, or that their technology never suffers anomalies.

[@09Ateam]

Humans are great at rationalizing.

[@MCsCreations]

Fantastic conversation, JMG! Thanks a lot! 😃 I totally agree with both of you. Stories are REALLY fun to listen or read about and so on... But that's it. During the time I helped an ufology group here in Brazil we used to do picture analysis. You know? BTW, my own interest started because I found a big and dark spot in a picture I took and was using as a model for painting classes... Which ended to be a bird! 😂 Anyway, we ALWAYS can learn something studying any subject! Maybe there's some kind of atmospheric phenomenon we don't know about. Who knows? Maybe something like that could explain the "official UFO night" here from Brazil... That event was a huge collection of spots of light in the skies, many people spotted them, including airlines pilots... And military pilots. The government of the time called the media and told everything. You know? Anyway... Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@arcanus_illuminare]

Scientists come up with the craziest stretches of logic when disproving aliens than the idea of aliens itself. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@system3008]

Why constrain imagination when we know space tells us everything that it shouldn't be constrained.

[@bendavis2234]

If aliens are here on earth, there’s no doubt in my mind that hard scientific data will be inevitable in the upcoming years. The idea of putting detectors on planes was a cool idea. I love this guy’s take on the UFO incidents. Treat ufo sightings with as much rigor as it would take to prove the existence of microbial life on another planet. Personal testimony isn’t enough. I hope SETI focuses on collecting UFO data so these sightings can become scientific instead of speculative.

[@robertgraybeard3750]

Event Horizon - at 25:55 Dr. Frank asks "How do you slow down?" Four decades ago The St. Louis Space Frontier (then a chapter of the L5 Society, now the National Space Society) hosted a Spaceweek event. One of the presenters was Dr. Robert L. Forward. He talked about his Starwisp proposal which was to use beamed microwaves rather than lasers like the Starshot Project. First, the fleet of probes was to be accelerated; second, the beams were to provide power for the fleet of congregate and build a single probe and a reflecting mirror; and third, a final blast of beams was to accelerate the reflector and decelerate the probe. The probe would then maneuver within that exo-solar system and rendezvous with an asteroid and build a base to decelerate the next series of probes. Something like tat cold spread our civilization throughout the galaxy in a geologically short period of time, say one hundred million years. Please pass this on to Dr. Frank.

[@deejin25]

It's so weird that someone who thinks we should be looking for techno signatures won't even ask to look at, won't ask for the disclosure of our technology tracking a possible technosignature before dismissing it.

[@Iefita]

I watch your videos before going to sleep, they are brilliant.

[@EventHorizonShow]

Thank you! Hope they help you rest.

[@system3008]

I hate it when people think they're the arbiters of science when many people are the pupils of science.

[@deletethisnananabz]

I think it's just statistically impossible for there to be no other civilizations in such a big place as our universe, not to mention that there may be other universes beyond ours.

[@WhimsicalShark]

Statistically impossible in universe, not so much in our galaxy

[@warrenreid6109]

There are a few reasons why they are being sighted primarily that they eithervwant to be seen or that they just don't care if they are sighted or not.

[@jeschinstad]

A month after Russia demonstrates its unstoppable super-weapon, the American military shows unverifiable videos of something totally incredible. Can't be deception? Why? They did it once before with the Roswell incident.

[@shadowreign5323]

"You can have whole community who thought something and they turned out to be wrong " is what Adam said about planets how ironic he statement would be if Aliens were here already lol

[@chrishutchinson999]

“Searchlight beams” don’t show up on radar. Also, the logic of “it sounds like science fiction therefore it is science fiction” is absurd. “Why are you talking to an astronomer?” is the smartest thing he says on the subject.

[@georged5420]

Wasn't a big fan of this guest speaker.

[@dannyjones7806]

You're wrong. The report 'does' say they were making movements that they can't explain. No signs of propulsion and such.

[@mikefinn]

The idea our advisaries would ping our defenses with (a small smarm of UAVs?) to have us turn on our systems that then could be assessed is the best explanation for the UAP reports I've heard. The swarm could break apart and headout in different directions, and "disappear".

[@youaremopped]

It's so frustrating when intelligent people equate aliens with ghosts.

[@Ink_Tide]

I wholeheartedly agree - it reminds me of how long animal behaviorists have been fighting the idea that animals have significantly better intelligence than we've assumed and simply no way to communicate it with us by entirely dismissing the human capacity to instinctively recognize intelligence as "unscientific anthropomorphizing", despite there being literally no benefit to a crippling fear of overestimating animal intelligence besides making human scientists feel better about their own human intelligence and despite the continuously growing body of evidence that the harsh dichotomy we draw between human and animal intelligence is not nearly as strong as has long been believed.

[@swirvinbirds1971]

Why? They are both something people have claimed to see but we have no actual hard evidence of...

[@swirvinbirds1971]

@@iraniansuperhacker4382 we are only alien IF we KNOW there is another technological civilization visiting us. It's one thing to claim aliens exist, and we have no proof they actually do, and another entirely to claim aliens are visiting us. All 3 of those claims we have 0 actual hard evidence of. People have been claiming there is such a thing as spirits from the begining of written and oral history, people claim to see them, people claim to have video evidence of them, science claims it's 'possible' the same as aliens... so I really would have to disagree. Possibility is not truth.

[@swirvinbirds1971]

@@iraniansuperhacker4382 why is it not impossible? You don't get to make such a claim without evidence of such. Why is the idea of such 'retarded'? Look, I am totally on board with the possibility, but science can not say it is a fact until we have actual hard evidence. End of story man. And even if so how does that prove that aliens are visiting out planet? Cause let's be clear here... The claim isn't just that alien life exists out there, the claim is aliens are visiting our planet.

[@swirvinbirds1971]

@@iraniansuperhacker4382 No it's not literally impossible dude, we are looking right now. Then I get to claim Cthulhu exists just because we can not observe the entire universe. Science does not and can not work that way. They never once claimed that we are the only intelligent creatures in the universe. This video and the comment made about aliens and ghosts is in reference to proof of aliens visiting earth, not the possiblity of alien life in the universe.

[@darkenergy410]

*grabs bowl*

[@darkenergy410]

no heart 4 me

[@EventHorizonShow]

Cereal bowl ;)

[@kagz100]

basically what he said "Its nonsense that there is no alien because there is no data " also " we can't collect data of aliens sighting because its nonsense"

[@DuaneMckenzie80]

Dismisses trained pilots as non data point. Although his entire career is based on observation of sky. Maybe we should dismiss his research as opinion like he does others.

[@thealliance5797]

I don't think anyone is asking if "life crossed Interstellar space", but rather, something, and of greater likelihood, such as AI/probes crossed Interstellar space

[@CMon_Jack]

Explain how a light can come up on radar And a light can show up in the sky when there's no clouds or medium to collect on

[@mal2ksc]

If light (including radio waves -- look up "microwave plasma") is focused on a point, you can heat the air into incandescent plasma. Similar to the ion trail of a meteor, it _will_ light up, it often shows up on radar, and it can "maneuver" at whatever rate the light concentrating device decides to pan. If the focus is tight enough, this only requires on the order of 1000 watts, which is paltry when it comes to beam weapon power.

[@JulioRad954]

@@mal2ksc That does not explain the multiple pilot sightings and structures seen emerging in and out of the ocean and said structures interacting with the water's surface. Also don't you think a pilot would witness/track the source of a laser system designed to create the plasma decoy. Source needs to be relatively close as atmospheric diffraction and limitations of lasers require LOS to achieve a plasma decoy system such as those being worked on to spoof missiles.

[@curtisv7114]

Such an enjoyable conversation to listen in on. Love these Event Horizon sessions. Keep up the great work John, you rock!

[@atwax]

31:31 Is it really to speculative? I think it's a pretty valid question. Based on the information we have today, Isnt it more likely that we find A.I / mechanical beings that travel the stars? "techno" signatures would come from both. Are we not more likely to come up with A.I than travel the stars? The lifespan of a maschine is much longer? Im sure i do miss alot, but please enlight me?

[@kevorka3281]

I like how Mick West is hailed as some kind of all-knowing being

[@jimmyshrimbe9361]

Thanks, John! You and Anna and the rest of your team are awesome!!! 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘

[@Frazoor]

Nobody believed Commander Shepard when he said the Reapers were coming.

[@slav3810]

Brilliant! 😂😂😂😂

[@Kablabv]

Mr godier im always faccinated by your videos and im really trilled with your take on uap you think its possible to consider having spanish subtitles so i can show your videos to my family and friends who dont speak or read english please never stop making this awesome content

[@JulioRad954]

It sounds an awful lot like the person being interviewed did not carefully listen to the multiple pilot testimonies which go into detail as to why these UAPs are not just visual aberrations or optical phenomena/ manifestations singular to the viewer. Furthermore the radar data and IR data which are numeric and objective support the pilots sightings as well as testimony from the program director of A-Tip. This guy is on his own arrogance and ego trip. I lean towards an adversary nation discovering graviton manipulation vs aliens but cmon the evidence is concrete of a physical almost impossible technology we are unaware of.

[@chahh1866]

There is a pdf out there that is a collection of all the data, once you read these you realize this is a dod test. Civilian Helo landing on the deck of the Nimitz shortly after the event.. Civilian Helo = Lockheed

[@bonorbitz]

100% agree. I really liked this channel, but starting to doubt it because it's so closed minded and biased. Healthy skepticism is important, but this is downright debunking.

[@linesided]

Utter nonsense, but feel free to send me 100$ and I'll send you an "I'm an alien nutjob" t-shirt.

[@chrisphinney8475]

The vicious are proven not ufo. Google them in conjunction with Mick west

[@PittsPics]

Wonder how they feel now....

[@bzero_]

Always love the intros so much

[@avonacolyte]

And the outros!

[@zrebbesh]

The Silurian Hypothesis is the UFO community's equivalent of that terrified moment from that movie: "THE CALL IS COMING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE!!!"

[@ishmiel21]

There have been sightings of strange things in the sky since long before 1947. There are cave paintings of weird objects in the sky. There are ancient myths of creatures coming down from the stars. Thinking about life on other planets did not begin in the 40s. Humanity has been doing it for as long as humanity has been keeping records.

[@Hotrodstuntman]

Exactly right. What a weird arbitrary point of reference using the roswell crash in 47 as "when we started seeing ufos" there are paintings from Germany in the 1500's!! Also strange that skeptics ignore every single photo/video in existence claiming the evidence is anecdotal.

[@d26k164]

Those people are gonna eat their words. Just wait and see

[@jimgrant4578]

Humans have been eating mushrooms and having psychotic episodes for a long damn time.

[@ishmiel21]

@@jimgrant4578 You are absolutely correct... but what's your point. Were the pilots who saw and filmed these objects on mushrooms? Was the U.S. government commission on mushrooms when they came out and said that these objects are real, yet we do not know what they are? No, they were not.

[@EventHorizonShow]

It’s interesting just what is focused on. They became POPULARIZED after 1947.

[@ohroonoko]

Humans have existed for maybe 200,000 years in a universe that’s 14 billion years old. If there are intelligent, sentient life anywhere else in the galaxy concurrent with human existence, it would be an amazing coincidence that they haven’t already come and gone millions of years ago.

[@goprojoe7449]

They wouldnt come and go. Soon after biological life is able to self-improve (humans) it evolves into non-biological life (singularity) and becomes God, permeating the universe. It then has the ability to reincarnate to experience individualism. Life is a playground.

[@ohroonoko]

@@goprojoe7449 interesting theory! Sounds like Stargate SG:1 inspired.

[@reallyryan_]

Oh no I missed the notification :( glad I can sleep falling into the event horizon.

[@cole3843]

I was thinking along the same lines as he was before he mentioned cellphone size packages being light enough to get up to relativistic speeds capable of reaching proxima in a matter of decades. If we can get even smaller packages, for instance nanomaterials we could get there even sooner. And using nanotechnology and some form of A I , we could build from materials in another system, phase array lasers to slow down incoming laser - sail ships from our solar system. Thank you for another great cast !

[@Retrograde6]

This was fantastic. And about 3 hours too short!

[@Hemebean]

When Adam says "go and talk to the radar experts", you have to realize that these experts have already looked at this data and are unable to explain it.

[@bozo5632]

If you read their statements like a lawyer or a scientist might read them, you'll see that mostly they're not saying anything. The source (the Pentagon) is well known (and expected) to lie about issues of national security, foreign and domestic military capabilities and everything else.

[@Hemebean]

@@bozo5632 Normally I would agree but this report is for Congress. If they lie, they will be in contempt of Congress and the repercussions would be serious I assume.

[@bozo5632]

@@Hemebean But if you read it like a lawyer, you'll see they didn't lie, even if they did deliberately manufacture false impressions. Or maybe it's true. One in ten million?

[@adamjohnlund]

Damn could only make it 15 min in. Usually love your stuff. This ain’t it

[@Hemebean]

@@bozo5632 Maybe, but what specifically are saying they could be "lying" about ?

[@alexnovember1354]

I don’t like this guy much. He keeps making assumptions such as that aliens would try to hide themselves, and he convinces himself that that’s the reason that these couldn’t be aliens.

[@inthefade]

"Talking Plasma" is a phenomenon where you triangulate several lasers on one point to create a plasma ball, and can then move it around in space. That could possibly explain the Tic Tac UFO/UAP.

[@R1door]

The nuclear bomb technosignature remark made me chuckle quite a bit! 😆 Great discussion gents!

[@georged5420]

The nuclear bomb ship you were talking about was called project Orion. The way to slow down the ship would flip over with conventional Rockets halfway through its trip. And it would have gone faster than one-tenth the speed of light.

[@alexgeorge2993]

I just hope to see a discovery made of life elsewhere before my time is up!

[@howtheworldworks3]

Now that's more like it. This guy is a lot closer to the facts. Here is my two cents on this topic: It's very likely that there are no aliens comparable in size to us anywhere near us. Maybe the closest biological life forms could be more than 10 billions years far or maybe even quadrillions of years far(I am talking about far out of the visible universe). Now here is an idea. What if you are not looking at the correct size? What if the aliens that you are looking for are actually inside you and they were inside all of us all along? I mean think about it for a second. What is known at the moment to be able to travel between galaxies? Electrons, photons, neutrinos and other particles like these that are able to travel extremely large distances without being disintegrated. What if the aliens are in fact these atomic and subatomic particles? What if their mode of travel(their ships) are in fact the stars that act like pit stops? So basically these particles could literally be the ones that do hitch hiking between the stars waiting millions or billions of years at a time for the opportunity to move further with each hop. I know it sounds crazy but think about it. What is our brain made of? Matter witch is made of subatomic particles. The brain acts as a vehicle for something. What is that something? What does consciousness need in order to be active? ELECTRONS. Why on earth would consciousness need electrons in order to manifest? Could it be that they are the first and most basic unit of consciousness/awareness/intelligence and no one realized it yet? I have a feeling that this is indeed the case.

[@HueghMungus]

YES! Absolutely perfect, just in time for my walk, now I can listen to a podcast I actually like :D

[@EventHorizonShow]

And soon you will be able to buy a membership to download Event Horizon and John's channel as a podcast....plus more.

[@ClaytonBigsby01]

@@EventHorizonShow I’d buy that for a dollar

[@matteuszgmail]

We should really send a seeder ship. Using lasers we should send a massive seeder ship that would drop off sub-stations at stars in other solar systems. The seeder ship would never slow down. The sub-stations could slow down via stars gravity, they are powered by photons, and they can be used in the future to slow down incoming spacecraft with lasers. Let’s make it happening

[@system3008]

Are you gonna pay for it?

[@system3008]

@@jonathansmedley123 what?

[@system3008]

@@jonathansmedley123 what what in the butt?

[@system3008]

@@jonathansmedley123 you need to stop doing drugs. They're gonna rott you from the inside out and you won't live to reach 40.

[@system3008]

@@jonathansmedley123 take care I'm gonna miss you.

[@jimbeard2952]

if thats the way science works than your not listening and your saying that everything was a mass delousion

[@buleetu]

Really great chat thanks guys

[@zeromancer-x]

Discussion of the Kardashev Type II civilizations begins at 19:50

[@rimpificator]

Adam Frank must be thrilled to be with them at the center of the galaxy. What a trip!

[@aethon6335]

I love starshot but this discussion made me wonder.. What do intelligent alien inhabitants of the Centaurus system (if they exist) think about a very high power laser coming at them from us? We need to carefully consider our interstellar actions before we take them, but I sure wish I could live to see images from another solar system. Thanks for sharing

[@TomSp88]

Bought yt prem specifically because I know there is a higher rev cut when I watch your videos :bow down:

[@AKWBeats]

2 type aliens, AT THE CENTER OF THE GALAXY?...... I'm in!

[@davide5553]

Hey John! I love your content. Will you ever publish it as a podcast on Apple Podcasts or Spotify? It would be awesome.

[@EventHorizonShow]

Currently working on it. A premium podcast version of Event Horizon and the JMG channel, as well as bonuses for $5 a month. Announcing it soon.

[@davide5553]

Great to hear that!

[@galacticfederationambassad4063]

its Galileo all over again

[@UrbanPorcupine]

Breakthrough Starshot is a cool idea but I think it would also be cool to send these light sail probes to distant kiper belt objects.

[@wordclock707]

Earth is a very old house, and maybe we are not it's first intelligent tenants.

[@mattlucas6440]

I love this theory. Even the possibility of split off civilizations surviving natural disasters. Who ever they are they have underground ocean bases and technology that dwarfs ours

[@larjkok1184]

Or we are.

[@therustbeltblacksmith]

if we are someone's aliens, boy are they going to be disappointed.

[@AlphaToOmegaXG]

He says "...I would never tell someone they didn't see something " but then he constantly and dismissively laughs at them. He's very biased and that discredits his scientific opinion in my view.

[@untouchable360x]

God is in the center of the galaxy and needs a starship. "What does God need with a starship?"

[@jodrakhanthewonderful1642]

If you've read Benford's galactic center series, you might want to be very careful with the galactic center... lest a machine decides to use you as art material...

[@EventHorizonShow]

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[@OptimusGnarkill]

May your roads lead to warm sands, friend.

[@Mr88BAA]

While I don’t fully agree with all of the conclusions given by Frank, I do see what he’s getting at. One point to keep in mind, while scientists can justifiably be called close minded at times, I think it’s important for believers to not fall into the same trap when presented with reasonable evidence that contradicts their belief.

[@stricknine6130]

Thanks for the episode.

[@tankej]

Notwithstanding the fact that at 27:24 you say, "it's hard to understate that," when you mean, "it's hard to overstate that", you have produced another great episode:-)

[@lohphat]

OH! I thought you meant "Number 2 Aliens" because of the location of the "probes".

[@mcmoose64]

UFOs go back a little further than that . They were first widely reported as "foo fighters" by allied pilots during World War Two . This was the first time that we had thousands of planes in the air at the one time (and tens of thousands of eye balls). It makes sense that if there any unknown phenomena occuring in the stratosphere that this was the time it would be noticed . I share your scepticism regarding an extraterrestrial origin.

[@Sweatx23]

I cannot begin to take the time to timestamp all the many occurrences of him making claims that were just not true. For someone that has taken the time to commit due diligence into looking into these sightings and have read the report it’s frustrating to hear someone talk as if they’ve only barely scratched the surface of looking into it. They DID do things we are incapable of with physics and they were detected on multiple mediums on aircraft carrier/ F-18 hornets to distinguish and confirm the fact that the objects detected had mass - they were not light. The list goes on of things that it just doesn’t sound like he is informed on. This is my favorite subject so I encourage the dialogue but respectfully disagree with your guest. I think we are coming to a cultural crossroads where the “skeptics” of these UAP/UFO’s sound like a ideological echo chamber of ignorance in an almost religious way