A Better Computer Fan - Sometimes: Cross-Flow Meshless AIO Case Benchmarks & Review

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@GamersNexus
@GamersNexus 5 ай бұрын
We also have a new LIMITED CYBER SKELETON V2 FOIL SHIRT up with our mule mugs! store.gamersnexus.net/products/limited-edition-foil-cyberskeleton2-cotton-tshirt Check out our efforts to make the PERFECT CPU cooler coldplate! kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXOwiqaDfNWsfLs (also features animations!) Back to some normal content & reviews! But if you missed it, check out our most in-depth investigation yet: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bnKalKyhn5Wjeck And to check out our most recent ATX case review, you can watch this one! kzbin.info/www/bejne/l4KrfHagqr6HjLM (at least, not counting the GameMax Hype...)
5 ай бұрын
Whatever you do don't auction off that case.
@danstone_0001
@danstone_0001 5 ай бұрын
Don't forget cposs flow fan are also used in gas fireplace
@elmichellangelo
@elmichellangelo 5 ай бұрын
Next create a mini fridge to put the components in
@zvenlin
@zvenlin 5 ай бұрын
so happy yo see the schlieren
@zivzulander
@zivzulander 5 ай бұрын
Love those new animations! Hope people keep buying merch so we can one day get Gamers Nexus: The Video Game. It will be a sandbox and physics game where you try to get computers to self-immolate and solve airflow puzzles. And maybe do some investigations of poorly led companies on the side. 😁
@whenwass
@whenwass 5 ай бұрын
I really love when product testers comes up with an experiment and elaborate visual presentation like this one. The video becomes really educational and much more interesting.
@GamersNexus
@GamersNexus 5 ай бұрын
Thank you! We needed it internally too to better understand how it worked!
@802Garage
@802Garage 5 ай бұрын
@@GamersNexus I love this channel!!!
@leonardosabomisseni3667
@leonardosabomisseni3667 5 ай бұрын
You can literally see Steve being excited to show us and being proud of what they did. Can't help but empathize lol
@LuisVelazquezLV3
@LuisVelazquezLV3 5 ай бұрын
yeah totally appreciate the attention to detail
@marcm.
@marcm. 5 ай бұрын
​​@@GamersNexus I've been using this type of fans that I rescue (or repurposed fans that don't swing anymore), for a while on my rigs. I personally love them. But it does require a little work to make them do what you want. The main advantage for me, is that I don't want noise, or specifically a noise that's going to keep me awake. I'm glad that somebody has finally decided to do this also, but not as do it yourself project, rather a correctly engineered and designed product
@ManIkWeet
@ManIkWeet 5 ай бұрын
Within the first 2 minutes of this video it was already clear that this case was full of good engineering. The rest of the video explained why, great stuff!
@illi-the-wolf
@illi-the-wolf 5 ай бұрын
i love to see things dare to be different! build homogeneity, albeit quite effective in most situations, can stymie novel ideas for solving the same old problems. Thanks GN!
@furykillerBZ
@furykillerBZ 5 ай бұрын
Loved the case dimension animation
@TheFman2010
@TheFman2010 4 ай бұрын
With regards to the pinhole light source, you could also have use a laser. If you want the collimated laser beam to diverge a little bit, place a pair of convex lens in front of the laser beam to spread it. Adjust the divergence by moving the lenses around. But then again, if your setup already works, don't fix it.
@Gary_HTX
@Gary_HTX 5 ай бұрын
Adrian Newey can indeed see air, he approves of this design
@ericthedesigner
@ericthedesigner 5 ай бұрын
squirrel cage fans have been around in the automotive and hvac world for over a hundred years.
@bosstowndynamics5488
@bosstowndynamics5488 5 ай бұрын
And you would know that Steve is already aware of this had you bothered to watch *the start* of the video...
@yawnyle
@yawnyle 5 ай бұрын
Anyone remember the KuFormula VF1 GPU cooler? It used a Axial fan too.
@Nick_Knackz
@Nick_Knackz 5 ай бұрын
"These cross flow fans have also been used in planes, but the idea hasn't gotten off the ground." Touché' Steve. I see what you did here
@kazefw3834
@kazefw3834 5 ай бұрын
LMAO
@JonIceInternational
@JonIceInternational 5 ай бұрын
That joke took off very well.
@XeroShifter
@XeroShifter 4 ай бұрын
timed with a shot of the plane getting off the ground no less. It was pretty good :)
@toytulog576
@toytulog576 4 ай бұрын
It also exist on top over the range microwave. I see similar fan like this on my old GE Microwave.
@nldm561
@nldm561 4 ай бұрын
a child would see the joke,
@FluffyTheGryphon
@FluffyTheGryphon 5 ай бұрын
Steve channeling Retro Encabulator vibes and then being self aware enough to literally add a clip from the vid had me rolling. XD
@GamersNexus
@GamersNexus 5 ай бұрын
hahahaha
@truckerallikatuk
@truckerallikatuk 5 ай бұрын
But no stats on the sinusoidal depleneration!
@dylanherron3963
@dylanherron3963 5 ай бұрын
@@truckerallikatuk Hahahaha fuck yeah
@Jake9066
@Jake9066 5 ай бұрын
Gotta deal with that side-fumbling some how
@danielstewart7732
@danielstewart7732 5 ай бұрын
@@Jake9066 pretty sure they had some hydro-coptic marsel vanes to address that.
@oscarcharliezulu
@oscarcharliezulu 5 ай бұрын
GN’s really taking things up a notch lately. Every vid just fantastic. Especially the reference to the retro turbo encabulator.
@GamersNexus
@GamersNexus 5 ай бұрын
Thank you! Trying to really add some polish with the animations where we can!
@WildRapier
@WildRapier 5 ай бұрын
Indeed!
@rafezetter8003
@rafezetter8003 5 ай бұрын
LOL ! @12:52 I was like - "ooh that's a lot of big words" - and then you totally took the piss of your own explanation with the clip after - Bravo!
@HCG
@HCG 5 ай бұрын
There aren’t enough comments recognizing the ridiculous engineering feat this case is for a single designer new to building cases. They did an incredible job.
@thatguy5801
@thatguy5801 5 ай бұрын
Theyre using a furnace/fireplace/propane heat exchange fan, its nothing new.. When PC people realize their 120mm fans aren't the pinnacle of airflow you get comments like these below:
@HCG
@HCG 5 ай бұрын
@@thatguy5801 Using the fan type isn’t the impressive part, obviously. I can’t believe I needed to say that. You clearly have never designed and built anything from scratch before
@thatguy5801
@thatguy5801 5 ай бұрын
@@HCGBecause you know me? lol This case isn't impressive or new, its a furnace/fireplace fan.
@SrApathy33
@SrApathy33 5 ай бұрын
@@thatguy5801 So go make one
@802Garage
@802Garage 5 ай бұрын
@@thatguy5801 Yeah, HCG is right, you've clearly never design a product from scratch.
@powerpower-rg7bk
@powerpower-rg7bk 5 ай бұрын
The excitement is real. A small company doing something different that requires lots of testing and it works. We get a Rockwell Encabulator cameo and a Jay joke. Sounds like this review was fun to put together and it shows throughout the video.
@thomasr7129
@thomasr7129 4 ай бұрын
The editing was top notch also. Inserting animations or closeups when needed, but not too much - that is a fine art.
@charyenne
@charyenne 5 ай бұрын
14:30 "The Idea hasn't really gotten off the ground" **airplane taking off**
@Eric_Wolfe-Schulte
@Eric_Wolfe-Schulte 5 ай бұрын
Yeaaaahhhhhhhhhhh.gif
@TheDoubleBee
@TheDoubleBee 5 ай бұрын
It literally has gotten off the ground 🤷‍♂
@turke765
@turke765 5 ай бұрын
you got the joke
@aserta
@aserta 5 ай бұрын
Funnily enough, there's an airplane that uses those fans as they are to fly. AFAIK only in RC format, but it's entirely possible that some nutcase tried it for real in the 60's, i've seen a few pictures online.
@Flank.Sinatra.
@Flank.Sinatra. 5 ай бұрын
he is right. technically it works, but so far the controls are horrible
@N1CKSO
@N1CKSO 5 ай бұрын
This is exactly the type of things I would design if my employer would just give me infinite paid time off LIKE I ASKED
@flexiblefelix
@flexiblefelix 5 ай бұрын
Hey, I'm a fan of this.
@justassimple8328
@justassimple8328 5 ай бұрын
That's so cool that you're a fan of this
@damasterpiece08
@damasterpiece08 5 ай бұрын
i'm a fan of opel astra F and this looks like it fits :))
@ledizzy2634
@ledizzy2634 5 ай бұрын
This comment blows.
@asiatravel2010
@asiatravel2010 5 ай бұрын
An OnlyFan?
@What-he5pr
@What-he5pr 5 ай бұрын
Hyuk
@de_stroyed
@de_stroyed 5 ай бұрын
damn, that company must be so proud of the work they put into this and patting themselves on the back after seeing this video. this is basically the highest level of praise they'll ever get, especially from a highly-respected channel such as Gamer Nexus
@alexmannen1991
@alexmannen1991 5 ай бұрын
tech jesus makes revolutionary high quality journalism showing the flow of air by just punching a hole in a soda can there is absolutely nothing steve cant acomplish
@GamersNexus
@GamersNexus 5 ай бұрын
Truly the highest form of engineering.
@alexmannen1991
@alexmannen1991 5 ай бұрын
@@GamersNexus this is the tech way of making water into wine. he turns light into content
@jubuttib
@jubuttib 5 ай бұрын
@@alexmannen1991 Isn't that literally almost all video?
@alexmannen1991
@alexmannen1991 5 ай бұрын
@@jubuttib no its special when steve does it. thanks steve
@jubuttib
@jubuttib 5 ай бұрын
@@alexmannen1991 True. Back to you, Steve.
@interestingcan
@interestingcan 5 ай бұрын
Aerospace engineering nerd here and a propulsion SME, deeply appreciate the Schlieren photography. This is used extensively in aviation, especially in higher mach flow to observe compression gradients, shock waves, and expansion waves in the flow. Anyways, I can guarantee that the airflow is going to be turbulent, not laminar. But turbulent flow is better for cooling across a heatsink anyways. But this is great, your lit search on the fan tech was amazing to see as an academic!!! That's always the first step lol. Fan tech can get crazy and I absolutely appreciate this case and the testing you have done.
@iCounterProductive
@iCounterProductive 4 ай бұрын
I know I might just be able to search for this but was hoping you could elaborate on why turbulent flow is better for cooling heat sinks.
@interestingcan
@interestingcan 4 ай бұрын
@iCounterProductive great question! So basically fluid cooling has a convection coefficient (natural and forced, natural is no fan or something moving the fluid around), essentially how much energy can be removed for the flow conditions and area. Laminar flow is smooth, so essentially the heat can get trapped in boundary layer and maybe a bit of the freestream flow. Because of this the heat stays more local and drive the coefficient down. Turbulent flow, being more energetic, has eddies and swirls and all that stuff in it so it naturally mixes as it moves across a head spreader. This mixing allows for the heat to be pulled away more easily. In addition, since laminar flow is smooth and straight residence time of the fluid on the heat spreader is at a minimum while turbulent flow has the eddies and swirling the residence time on the heat spreader is just ever so slightly greater since some flow can swirl back onto it.
@MaxwellTornado
@MaxwellTornado 4 ай бұрын
@@interestingcan That's a lot of run-on sentences.
@ur_pore
@ur_pore 3 ай бұрын
@@MaxwellTornado hey hey hey, he was very clear he is a true academic.
@omegaprime516
@omegaprime516 Ай бұрын
Basically turbulent airflow is slower and therefore has more time to absorb heat from the fin stack before being ejected. Turbulent air is good in a heatsink, but not great for case fans. Case fans need to move columns of air inside the case quickly so turbulent air doesn't stay in the case so long. If you have bad cable management, this will drive up temps due to the inability to replace hot air with cooler air. Without turbulent air in heatsinks, you would have higher cfm but lower heat rejection. This is also why modern heat pipes have textures inside. It allows the liquid to absorb more heat by staying longer on that surface, and also increases the surface area 3 dimensionally which helps absorbing heat. I'm sure there is math that can tell us the optimal time something should remain on a surface, but I don't know it. This is an oversimplified explanation fyi.
@adriankoch964
@adriankoch964 5 ай бұрын
Remember to not acidentially auction off this prototype case (potentially to a case maker) after promising to send it back after the review.
@exciting-burp
@exciting-burp 5 ай бұрын
"But the company is probably going bankrupt anyways"
@DeinonychusCowboy
@DeinonychusCowboy 4 ай бұрын
oof size: eATX full tower
@Jayztwocents
@Jayztwocents 5 ай бұрын
I LIKE BOATS!
@creepersmate
@creepersmate 5 ай бұрын
Love the animations, any show or media that involves an animation to show internals and/or how something would function thats otherwise difficult to actually demonstrate just makes it so much more interesting. Hopefully we get to see more in the future?
@GamersNexus
@GamersNexus 5 ай бұрын
That's the plan! Any time there's an abstract or complex topic, we're hoping to include those!
@Robbie-mw5uu
@Robbie-mw5uu 5 ай бұрын
Hit up @explainingcomputers on help with educational animations. He does them for his videos.
@thomasr7129
@thomasr7129 4 ай бұрын
​@@GamersNexus - Two requests: 1. Keep pushing boundaries and raising the standard for how reviews can be. I remember back in the day, findign reviews on blogs... 2. In animations, make arrows rotate axially the same way air vortices would do. And if they change size to indicate pressure change, then it would be (close to) 100%. ;) Thank you for yet another amazing video!
@MrAshleyR
@MrAshleyR 5 ай бұрын
"And in planes, but the idea hasn't really gotten off the ground" I see what you did there, and I love it. Bravo.
@dannonyogurt98
@dannonyogurt98 5 ай бұрын
This is probably the 10th time he's explained schlieren imagery and I still have no idea what he's talking about. Still funny that all other KZbinrs use a smoke machine but gamers Nexus was like "nah we need to see the air!"
@GamersNexus
@GamersNexus 5 ай бұрын
Schlieren imagery is like magic!
@woldemunster9244
@woldemunster9244 5 ай бұрын
What about magnets?
@GamersNexus
@GamersNexus 5 ай бұрын
@@woldemunster9244 We'll let you know when we figure out how they work...
@hi_tech_reptiles
@hi_tech_reptiles 5 ай бұрын
Ask ICP lol ​@@GamersNexus
@Robbie-mw5uu
@Robbie-mw5uu 5 ай бұрын
yes thats the joke 🤦‍♀️
@rabooey
@rabooey 5 ай бұрын
Your air density/flow testing rig is ~ridiculous~, in the best way possible. SO very effective, so very useful. Thanks for showing us what we've always wanted to see with our own eyes, I hope to see more of it being used.👍
@carlwynia7575
@carlwynia7575 5 ай бұрын
If it's stupid and it works it's not that stupid.
@alpha007org
@alpha007org 5 ай бұрын
@@carlwynia7575 If you have any friends that vape, you can imagine how you can test yourself. I wanted to know if my fans in O11 are hurting or helping, in the sense where does the airflow actually goes.
@mystikal43
@mystikal43 5 ай бұрын
I didn't think that Gamers Nexus could get any better than it already is, but you lovely people just took it to a whole new level! BEST. SHOW. EVER.
@berated4541
@berated4541 5 ай бұрын
As an HVAC technician I have learned a few things over the years about airflow and the contraptions that move them. Cross-flow fans are designed to operate with little to no static pressure (under .5 in. W.C.) and when you do use them in a high static pressure scenarios they A, significantly reduce the amount of air they are able to move due to the vortices created from the back pressure, and B, the motors burn up prematurely due to high amp draw, created by the static pressure. Also the maintenance to clean these is far more tedious, and balancing can become a nightmare. Axial fans are nice because they can be “customized” from low to high static by changing the shape, pitch, width, and thickness of the blades. Squirrel cage fans are for use in medium to high static pressure, and is the most efficient of the the 3 in regards to moving a given volume of air.
@802Garage
@802Garage 5 ай бұрын
Sizing the motor appropriately for a more constrained flow situation would mitigate the issue of burning the motors up though, no? They would only burn up because they are under rated for the use case.
@cheyannei5983
@cheyannei5983 5 ай бұрын
Dust landing on the blades also impacts balance. It's possible to make them better but soooo many of them are just designed to be as cheap as possible. This one looks so much nicer than any of them I've seen.
@cheyannei5983
@cheyannei5983 5 ай бұрын
I wonder if some more ducting would help this fan/case specifically
@GGigabiteM
@GGigabiteM 5 ай бұрын
​@@802Garage No, it wouldn't. HVAC motors usually rely on the airflow they themselves create to cool themselves. Installing a larger motor to theoretically handle a higher load doesn't work when the motor still can't cool itself from restricted airflow, it will just burn up faster. More current equals more heat. That's not even accounting for the ridiculous cost of up sizing a motor, larger motors get expensive quick, and you need all of the heavier duty support equipment for them. Larger wires, larger contactors, bigger breakers and more electricity use. If the motor is subject to fault conditions of heavy restrictions, it needs circuitry to monitor it and shut it off if excessive current draw is detected.
@802Garage
@802Garage 5 ай бұрын
@@GGigabiteM I think the term larger may be doing too much work here. A motor designed for slightly higher torque, but not necessarily much larger, would not require significantly more current to work without overheating, and obviously the cooling design would have to be taken into account as well. If it was impossible, every type of fan would burn up when obstruction was introduced.
@Lordwolfie59
@Lordwolfie59 5 ай бұрын
I know you may not see this but genuinely this is awesome. I never imagined Id be such a fan of a channel like yours because I don't do much with my PC besides use it. You make everything so entertaining yet educational its truly wonderful. Thank you for everything you and your team do!
@GamersNexus
@GamersNexus 5 ай бұрын
Thank you! We're trying to add more educational content!
@mirrorsandstuff
@mirrorsandstuff 5 ай бұрын
Seeing Steve excited over reviewing a case is real joy. If anything, this case at least achieved this.
@killingtimeitself
@killingtimeitself 5 ай бұрын
man i could watch steve and co explain something super boring backed with ever so slightly too quiet commercial background music for hours.
@jvsimic
@jvsimic 5 ай бұрын
"They've also been considered for aviation ... But the idea hasn't really gotten off the ground." Really, Steve?!
@brofenix
@brofenix 2 ай бұрын
@2:46 wait, you didn't steal the designer's product and then sell it in an auction? Pssssh. Not even a real tech reviewer, shame shame :P
@omegaprime516
@omegaprime516 Ай бұрын
Nice linus tech tips shout out.
@snozzmcberry2366
@snozzmcberry2366 5 ай бұрын
I'm not sure how to express my adoration for this channel and the whole team behind it without getting.. overly colorful to the point of cringeworthiness. The combination of bulletproof, watertight, spotless, astronomical levels of ethics & morals with the INSANE levels of testing, data gathering, analysis, and production.. it honestly makes me just a little bit emotional every time you upload and I get to watch a new one. Thank you. The tech industry is a better place for your being part of it.
@GamersNexus
@GamersNexus 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for the kind words! We will keep pushing for this level of content!
@jfaristide
@jfaristide 5 ай бұрын
As a certified Turbo Encabulator operator and technician, I approve of this video.
@Loki_Firegod
@Loki_Firegod 5 ай бұрын
Not finished with the video yet but I gotta give a thumbs up for the Jay-shoutout at 14:45. Very nice review so far, and a very cool design. I'm personally not that much into sff builds, but it's nice to see some people thinking (and building) outside the box (or, technically, inside the box but differently?)
@BrandensOutdoorChannel
@BrandensOutdoorChannel 5 ай бұрын
What did the radiator say to the fan? Blow me.
@computer1600
@computer1600 5 ай бұрын
The metallic sound hurts when u pull the glass panel open.... damn
@GamersNexus
@GamersNexus 5 ай бұрын
hahaha, I felt the same. Like nails on a chalkboard!
@RossEstate
@RossEstate 5 ай бұрын
A Part of me would put the tiniest bit of silicone lub in the rails
@jeremyschillinger917
@jeremyschillinger917 5 ай бұрын
Never know, might be some ASMR folks that love it. For me, I agree with SN. Nails on a chalkboard.
@Techspin
@Techspin 5 ай бұрын
Does it.... grind your gears? Heh heh heh heh heh
@Bratfalken
@Bratfalken 5 ай бұрын
My coupé heather from the 1970ths that never fails has this kind of fan. Now it is an 240 volt heather with an selector for 0, 500, 800, 1200, and 2000 Watts. Very useful when it get's down to -35C in the winter.
@paxvesania2008
@paxvesania2008 5 ай бұрын
Steve and GN crews making investigative reports while also reviewing PC products in depths while also interviewing actual bts minds of the industry while also occasionally do on-site tours of factories. The contents are top notch. Salute.
@802Garage
@802Garage 5 ай бұрын
This is how my small room air purifier works! Surprised I haven't seen this in a computer before. Easy way to quietly flow a large wall of air through a case.
@802Garage
@802Garage 5 ай бұрын
Definitely one of the coolest cases I've seen in a long time. Thanks for the awesome coverage!
@TheRogueWolf
@TheRogueWolf 5 ай бұрын
"They've also been considered for aviation use inside the wings of planes, but the idea hasn't really gotten off the ground." Steve, even Jay has got to be facepalming at that dad joke.
@kanezhang5813
@kanezhang5813 5 ай бұрын
haha love the jayztwocents reference. glad you kept it in captain!
@boubpopsyteam
@boubpopsyteam 5 ай бұрын
Back 17 years ago, we had Cooler Master STF-B01-E1 Cross Flow Fan for the magnificent Stacker case :)
@GamersNexus
@GamersNexus 5 ай бұрын
Saw that one and included in here! Did you ever use that one? I remember seeing the Stacker but never got a chance to build in it.
@TheInfamousBob314
@TheInfamousBob314 5 ай бұрын
If I remember correctly the cross flow fan required removing the 4x80mm fan door - the cross flow fan is difficult to find so maybe I can adapt this one for one of my two Stackers... :D
@mateuszszymkowski4938
@mateuszszymkowski4938 5 ай бұрын
@@GamersNexus The first home air conditioner was created in 1910. And this is where such a fan was used for the first time. Now it is used in every air conditioner. But it's nice that someone decided to connect it to a PC
@byrondubois_za
@byrondubois_za 5 ай бұрын
@@GamersNexus I had the Stacker 810 which has this exact same cylindrical fan design. So re=inventing the wheel literally.
@Phaevryn
@Phaevryn 5 ай бұрын
I still have the first Coolermaster Stacker, never got that cooler but do have 2 of the hdd bays. In fact I just retired it a few months ago because it's massive and heavy af. Got a Lian Li 216 instead.
@Lucas-ck1po
@Lucas-ck1po 5 ай бұрын
I am more impressed with the manufacturing of an extruded computer case, this is fabulous! The tooling necessary to extrude such large aluminum profile is expensive, not to mention the necessary machining of the cut profile later but the result would be a dream case built like a tank. A freaking monolith of a computer with a very industrial feel to it.
@arthurmoore9488
@arthurmoore9488 5 ай бұрын
Yeah! As soon as he mentioned that part I completely understood every bit of the cost. Though it looks like it's extruded as a sheet, then some clever bending gets it to the final form factor. Still not easy or cheap!
@WooShell
@WooShell 5 ай бұрын
I love using radial and tangential blowers in my self-built electrics devices.. don't really understand why they are not more common in PC cases. You can so easily get a broad uniform blanket of wind with only a single motor and thus a single noise source. Glad to see that at least one designer dared to build something different..
@jack_irl
@jack_irl 5 ай бұрын
i guess since the case and fan are purpose built to go with eachother this kind of tech and customisation would need a shift in the market for existing cooling companies to invest in new tech rather than trying to improve existing fan technology that can be paired with most common cases on the market? just my guess but yeah really cool to see stuff like this.
@cosmic_cupcake
@cosmic_cupcake 5 ай бұрын
the motor isn't the source of the noise, the fan blades are. And my hunch is that axial fans are generally more efficient and therefore quieter than tangential blowers, though I don't have any data to back this up.
@proscriptus
@proscriptus 5 ай бұрын
It's wonderful to see genuine innovation go from concept to production. The designer was really thinking like an engineer, and examining the effects of all of his choices. Even at the price, it feels like you're getting a lot.
@snozzmcberry2366
@snozzmcberry2366 5 ай бұрын
Steve's barely-contained excitement over this super cool piece of tech is highly contagious
@r13hd22
@r13hd22 4 ай бұрын
I would NEVER buy a case like that. Zero room for upgrading, forced to use the MoBos sound. WTF do you do when the 50 series is released and its even larger than the 40 series? Buy a new case? May as well be buying a console as these small cases are about as anti-desktop as one. Defeats the entire purpose of owning a PC.
@potatoes5829
@potatoes5829 5 ай бұрын
ITX enthusiasts when: Really tall blower fan
@aserta
@aserta 5 ай бұрын
Honestly... that fan is a bad idea because it's extraordinarily difficult to clean. There's a reason why the heater industry ditched that format in favor of the more commonly known squirrel cage fan (like in AC systems) OR as that brex!t loving SOB Dyson fella used, the impeller type (in the bladeless fan). A better approach for a small factor case would be to simply dedicate one of the end portions to a small factor squirrel cage fan, with a custom made output ramp that takes the laminar (or as close to laminar flow) output of these fans and dumps it within the case akin to how AC systems in cars do, via small tubes. This can also be done by a home gamer with a 3D printer. Matthias Wandel has a really cool set of test videos on these fans, where he plays with the accepted formula and varies the location and shape of the 3 major elements (the output ramp, the squirrel cage, and the location of the axle within the casement) and gets a pretty powerful flow out and more importantly a pretty quiet flow (tho at a small loss) without that AGGRAVATING whine these usually are associated with. I've played with these myself. 3M has these full face PPE systems that are absurdly $$$ for what they are, i've only gotten the mask, and 3D printed the rest of the system myself for a fraction of the cost and a net increase over the original (in airflow). So much more pressure was obtained, that the mask itself has positive airflow protection (in simple terms, if the air input is filtered, you cannot get contamination from the mask area even if you don't have a clean shaved face or the mask isn't properly seated, which with the original powerplant ... was very well possible, given you'd still get an itchy nose from fiberglass work.
@slothnium
@slothnium 5 ай бұрын
Cooler Master used to sell a cross-flow fan, called the STF-B01-E1-GP. Apparently it worked really well back in the day, cooling the entire mobo, and parts attached to it, by a noticeable amount. No idea how well it would work in this day and age, since mobo and socket area designs have improved since then.
@adriankoch964
@adriankoch964 5 ай бұрын
Profit margin off those cheap case fans is some of the highest of the PC hardware industry. That's why everyone who sells cases also sells their own brand of PC fans - they likely make more profit on the fans than the case (that's likely made by the same OEM as your rivals). Plus cases never come with enough fans so, go get some matching ones. It'd be incredibly risky for an established player to push for this an risk to kill their golden goose.
@EpicATrain
@EpicATrain 4 ай бұрын
I don't understand why I've been watching your videos for so long and yet just realized I haven't subscribed. I fixed that. +1 Sub
@skipbreakfast
@skipbreakfast 5 ай бұрын
I love it when Steve is excited about something different. This video was amazing.
@eddiehimself
@eddiehimself 5 ай бұрын
Aluminium case with a cross flow fan? We going back to 2004 with this one!
@benjaminoechsli1941
@benjaminoechsli1941 5 ай бұрын
It is the nature of humanity to rediscover the wheel every so often. Nothing wrong with that, if it works!
@jamesmcd71
@jamesmcd71 5 ай бұрын
FYI. It's really important to understand because or the requirements of this fan when it goes out, it will be like setting your pc on fire. Unless a normal case the if all your fans quit at once, you will still have enough airflow to reduce Temps as the load drops. In this case, when the fan stops, there is no natural airflow. So even if you shut the PC down, Temps will clime for several minutes. And stay very high until you open it and allow air in.
@c0d3warrior
@c0d3warrior 5 ай бұрын
The world needs way more well thought-out engineering like this!
@killerful
@killerful 5 ай бұрын
This is really cool. I think a solution that kills two birds with one stone would be to machine holes into the back area where the PSU mounts to, and have the PSU be flipped around. This way it intakes the exhaust air from flow through GPUs, and gets access to air. Notwithstanding any case stability issues due to that hole, or air pressure changes.
@grievesy83
@grievesy83 5 ай бұрын
I'm not at all interested in ITX cases, but wow... I'm impressed. It feels like often innovation in cases means a step forward in one regard and two steps back in every other. This case looks like it meaningfully innovates without major compromise. Very, very well done.
@93836
@93836 5 ай бұрын
Welcome, these gyre fans came to saltwater tanks in 2014.
@93836
@93836 5 ай бұрын
Maxspect Gyre, for those interested.
@Viewer4U
@Viewer4U 5 ай бұрын
I have the same type of fan for a room air fan, about 40" tall. I love how quiet it is, with superior airflow over a pedestal fan.
@talon262
@talon262 5 ай бұрын
Vornado makes a cross-flow window fan called the Transom; I bought one off Amazon a few months ago to dump excess heat from my upstairs bedroom during cool/cold weather (my server/network "closet" is in there). Even on high, it doesn't move a huge volume of air given its size (its about 7" x 26" x 5"), but it's just fine for a low-profile fan you can just keep in the window and let it run for weeks/months at a time; they even have an Alexa-enabled version..
@brianjones2663
@brianjones2663 5 ай бұрын
Spend 5k on over elaborate science stuff... Or spend 50 on a smoke machine.... I'll take 5k for science Steve 😅
@imgnku
@imgnku 5 ай бұрын
It's like an episode of How it's made. Love it!
@tradingnichols2255
@tradingnichols2255 5 ай бұрын
I do not think it was possible for me to enjoy air flow content more than this! (about half way through the video now) :D . Could not wait anymore to comment!
@lucasweimanguitar7008
@lucasweimanguitar7008 5 ай бұрын
$360 for a case? I'm not a fan
@Slugbunny
@Slugbunny 5 ай бұрын
Same. But it's basically an artisanal piece, so no wonder.
@su1cidity
@su1cidity 5 ай бұрын
@@Slugbunny Woosh.
@lucasiog
@lucasiog 5 ай бұрын
God damn, I found myself scrolling down to like the video several times while watching, one of the best videos I've seen from you guys
@WilliamReins
@WilliamReins 5 ай бұрын
Side fumbling prevention is precisely precise.
@Alorand
@Alorand 5 ай бұрын
Watching this I realized that one idea I really want to see explored is combining mini-split air conditioning with a computer case. Has anyone done something like that?
@whocares0503
@whocares0503 5 ай бұрын
Interesting tech, the power of Fluid Mechanics...
@c.m.7037
@c.m.7037 5 ай бұрын
Give me a vertical tower version and I am in!
@GamersNexus
@GamersNexus 5 ай бұрын
Something like the NCORE style would be interesting!
@Vegemeister1
@Vegemeister1 5 ай бұрын
But are you in for $350+? The small-form-factor DIY market has proven price-insensitive, and there's no way to make a from-scratch case design cheap, especially with small initial production volume.
@rafezetter8003
@rafezetter8003 5 ай бұрын
You guys are fast becoming the most educational of home computing and related paraphenalia on YT - easy to understand, great visual aids and some fun visual science stuff - If I were a teacher of computer science / enginieering I would make watching your channel compulsory - even the journalistic stuff of "how not to be a douchebag in the industry". I rarely watch LTT anymore for these very reasons.
@FalconX88
@FalconX88 5 ай бұрын
nice to see a positive video from GM
@Kelekona_808
@Kelekona_808 5 ай бұрын
I was expecting a fan review and then you started sliding components out of the side of the case and my brain just glitched. Feels like a throw back to cases that had mobo trays slide in and out of them. Great looking case and I'm sure a lot of people will love them when they get their hands on them. Looks like some small tweaks could still be made, but man how lucky is this designer to be able to vet the product through the GN team!
@agentb4074
@agentb4074 5 ай бұрын
It's awesome to see animations from Andrew again! That fan animation is freakin' EPIC! And very effective at helping my understand and visualize this. Really nice work. 💚 Also: really fascinating case, and a good review. Thanks, GN team.
@junkice6930
@junkice6930 5 ай бұрын
I'm probably never going to get this case (at least not any time soon), but I LOVE to see innovation and people trying new approaches to fairly uniform design. I feel like there was a period of time between 2018-2021 or so where case innovation really stalled, so seeing people and companies take an interest in this again is awesome!
@ChrisGR93_TxS
@ChrisGR93_TxS 5 ай бұрын
my dehumidifier uses this style and its pretty quiet and airflow is kinda insane
@854Daryl
@854Daryl 5 ай бұрын
I really miss the case reviews. This one mostly focused on the novel use of a fan, but I was glad to see any type of case review.
@GreyFox474
@GreyFox474 5 ай бұрын
"First they take the dingle bop and they smooth it out with a bunch of schleem. The schleem is then repurposed for later batches. They take the dingle bop and they push it through the grumbo, where the fleeb is rubbed against it. It's important that the fleeb is rubbed, becasue the fleeb has all the fleeb juice. Then, a schlami shows up, and he rubs it and spits on it. They cut the fleeb. There's several hizzards in the way. The blamfs rub against the chumbles, and the plubis, and grumbo are shaved away. That leaves you with a regular old plumbus." Thats about as much as I understood in the animation. :D
@soad11dude
@soad11dude 5 ай бұрын
As someone that has a career in tech, I strongly approve of a bench power supply on the floor with frayed wires on the contact points. The other side better be alligator clips for full jank points.
@genotabby
@genotabby 5 ай бұрын
Air curtain in a case. Cool!
@dembro27
@dembro27 5 ай бұрын
I applaud Meshless trying something different! Glad to see it works well (for this specific case).
@fraliexb
@fraliexb 4 ай бұрын
Also, the crossflow fan is what automobile manufacturers use in car AC Blowers.
@Greg1096
@Greg1096 5 ай бұрын
Wouldnt a smoke machine give roughly the same information as that mad scientist setup? Or is there some advantage to this tech that im not seeing?
@MarioGoatse
@MarioGoatse 5 ай бұрын
This is a fantastically designed case. The fact that one designer was able to build a case around that style of fan, and still make it interesting mechanically, and attractive, is a testament to their ability. The style of fan won’t work in any old case, but when designed for it, it’s certainly a great idea. Loved it. Great job Meshless, and great review GN Team
@krix-alexstrasza2526
@krix-alexstrasza2526 Ай бұрын
O.O new favorite mini case!!! lol. mind you, im only 2:00 in to the video :b.
@brofenix
@brofenix 2 ай бұрын
Woah interesting, never heard of Schlieren imaging :) Very cool
@SkywalkerOne1977
@SkywalkerOne1977 5 ай бұрын
I just realized how much I appreciate that GN doesn't do clickbait titles.
@SStrunks
@SStrunks 5 ай бұрын
Dude WTF. Lol this is a whole new level for GN with them demonstration animations. Awesome work!
@LegacyIvyTerascale
@LegacyIvyTerascale 5 ай бұрын
i'm shure that replacing that glass with mesh would make thermals a lot better , and not just thermals
@chrisriverol9878
@chrisriverol9878 5 ай бұрын
This brought back memories of the pcie slot fans and the 5.25 Bay crossflow fans. Love this case design
@SpainzTheSpazz
@SpainzTheSpazz 5 ай бұрын
12:53 was a legendary addition to your video good sirs... well done. BRAVO!!!
@GickelsGaming
@GickelsGaming 4 ай бұрын
"This video was brought to you by US!" cool ads, not shitty ads
@kennethbudts105
@kennethbudts105 5 ай бұрын
This is exactly what I am looking for, can't wait for the production release!
@jolness1
@jolness1 5 ай бұрын
This is a much better review than others I’ve seen. Wouldn’t expect anything less from GN. The visualizations are awesome. Has been so cool to see the channel grow over the last decade or so that I’ve followed it
@callmecaiti
@callmecaiti 5 ай бұрын
This case is extremely cool to see! The Schlieren imaging has always been fascinating, but combined with the new animation, this is the kind of educational content that's always great to see. Props to the team!
@aaronbrucker966
@aaronbrucker966 5 ай бұрын
that looks like it would make a awesome pc/heater in the winter time.
@xVOniEnzeruVx
@xVOniEnzeruVx 2 ай бұрын
This is awesome! Very close to a great product.
@LegacyIvyTerascale
@LegacyIvyTerascale 5 ай бұрын
1:42 if that part fails , you wont find a replacement in an electronics store
@Empty_Vima
@Empty_Vima 5 ай бұрын
A Better? Tesla's engineers apparently disagree?😉😇
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